Hello!
I was asked by a Finnish friend to write here. I am a man from Sweden that lives in Stockholm and I would happily answer all your questions about the situation in Sweden. I though speak or write no Finnish so please write in English.
Best regards from
Svensken
How's the weather there?
What you think about Jimmie Åkesson?
In Stockholm it's now about -4 and a really good Christmas weather.
How is it in Finland?
Well, I would like to ask whether you have an appropriate immigration-critical webforum like we do. I don't mean extremist racist forums, but something like this Hommaforum. This forum is, by the way, quite productive: the users ("hompanzees") have even founded a new political party.
Welcome, Svensken, and thank you for coming.
What would you have Finland learn of the Swedish experience of the immigration policies?
If you had the power to change the Swedish Experience of immigration, what would be the three most important things you'd change immediately?
Thank you for your replies.
What you think about Jimmie Åkesson?
I think he is a good politician, better than the others we have in our parliament.
Well, I would like to ask whether you have an appropriate immigration-critical webforum like we do. I don't mean extremist racist forums, but something like this Hommaforum. This forum is, by the way, quite productive: the users ("hompanzees") have even founded a new political party
Oh, witch party?
We have flashback.org but there the people discussion are from radical left to radical right but immigration is absolutely a hot an well debated forum. But this forum is generally looked down upon by the media and establishment.
I can smell the scent of a troll.
I hope to prove I am not a troll by time, but I appreciate you awareness.
^ The party is Change 2011 (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change_2011). They gained one municipal seat at the last election.
What would you have Finland learn of the Swedish experience of the immigration policies?
Not to have PUT and not to overflow your country with immigrants and please let there be a civilized and real debate about the problems that comes from immigration. Sweden has had a enormous demographic shift the last twenty years (http://www.vitbok.se/2/dia/utrfodda0009.jpg) but there has been no serious debate about it. People who has been critical has been silenced with being called racist in media, getting kicked from their job and getting beaten up.
PUT means (Permanent UppehållsTillstånd) if you are defined as a refuge at any time you get a permanent visa. You never have to go back to your home country even if there would be peace and prosperity the month after you get your PUT.
If you had the power to change the Swedish Experience of immigration, what would be the three most important things you'd change immediately?
-Take away PUT and have visas that can be taken back if there would be safe to send people back. This would make it possible to help more refugees that really need protection than today.
-Give incentives for people to return to their home countries.
-Shift our focus from people who are so rich that they can get to Sweden and instead help the really poor refugees who are in camps around the conflict areas.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 10:47:44
Hello!
I was asked by a Finnish friend to write here. I am a man from Sweden that lives in Stockholm and I would happily answer all your questions about the situation in Sweden. I though speak or write no Finnish so please write in English.
Best regards from
Svensken
Varför inte på svenska?
How are You?
Are You and Your friends worried about swedish culture fading away, and transforming something new and unknown universal culture?
How about jobs which are manned by immigrants, is it good or bad or inevitable situation?
Alltså svenska är ju såklart bäst, men jag tänkte att det var större chans att man ville prata engelska på det här forumet. Vill en majoritet att jag hellre skriver på svenska så är detta inget som helst problem.
Tjena Svensken. Vad är den korrekta svenska benämningen på de bidrag som asylsökande får under den tid de vistas på flyktingförläggningen?
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 11:11:30
Oh, witch party?
Very few witches, I'm afraid :)
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 11:03:47
In Stockholm it's now about -4 and a really good Christmas weather.
How is it in Finland?
-27 in north-savo. Quite warm, but very clear and good weather for christmas.
How are You?
I am just fine, thanks for asking.
Are You and Your friends worried about swedish culture fading away, and transforming something new and unknown universal culture?
How about jobs which are manned by immigrants, is it good or bad or inevitable situation?
Yes, me and others are very worried about the transformation that is happening here in Sweden. All that used to be are changing and mostly for the worse. Every day we can read about horrible crimes and other things that never happened twenty years ago. The only universal culture that is being created in Sweden is gangster culture. Being big, bad and getting money in any way possible. This is the culture that I see is taking over in the future years. I feel that I no longer know my own country.
The immigrants are everywhere and it depends on witch groups you meet. Some are nice and very well orderly and others are out right crazy. Here in Stockholm SL(Local traffic in Stockholm) employs loads of immigrants and some of them that drives the buses are really bad at driving and are often talking in their phones when it's actually forbidden because they are so bad at driving. About half the amount of doctors here in Stockholm are immigrants some of them are good but mainly there use to be language issues.
Rörande bidraget när flyktingar bor på flyktingförläggning så är jag inte helt säker då jag inte själv arbetat där, men etableringsbidraget är från vad jag kan läsa mig till ett av de bidragen de får. Men om de har barn osv så får de väl även barnbidrag osv?
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 11:46:08
Rörande bidraget när flyktingar bor på flyktingförläggning så är jag inte helt säker då jag inte själv arbetat där, men etableringsbidraget är från vad jag kan läsa mig till ett av de bidragen de får. Men om de har barn osv så får de väl även barnbidrag osv?
På finlandssvenska heter det "mottagnings- och brukspenning". Det kanske är något snarlikt på rikssvenska.
På finlandssvenska heter det "mottagnings- och brukspenning". Det kanske är något snarlikt på rikssvenska.
Allt heter så roligt på finlandssvenska, många gånger inte bara roligt utan främst väldigt vackert och högtidligt. Jag gillar verkligen finlandssvenskan, i brist på att förstå mig på finskan.
Vet du hur ser finlandssvenskarna på det som sker i Sverige?
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 12:08:20
På finlandssvenska heter det "mottagnings- och brukspenning". Det kanske är något snarlikt på rikssvenska.
Allt heter så roligt på finlandssvenska, många gånger inte bara roligt utan främst väldigt vackert och högtidligt. Jag gillar verkligen finlandssvenskan, i brist på att förstå mig på finskan.
Vet du hur ser finlandssvenskarna på det som sker i Sverige?
Jag är inte själv finlandssvensk, så jag kan inte svara på din fråga. Den frågan får du nog bäst svar på i Huvudstadsbladets kommentarsfält.
Här fann jag information som berör det du frågade om bidragen: (For all the people who don't speak swedish this is about how much money you get as a immigrant in sweden.)
Sedan etableringsreformen trädde i kraft får en nyanländ arbetslös invandrarmamma med tre barn följande bidrag varje månad.
6 510 kr i etableringsersättning
4 500 kr i etableringstillägg
4 500 kr i bostadsbidrag
3 754 kr i barnbidrag
2 546 kr i underhållsstöd
= 21 810 kr i månaden skattefritt.
Utöver detta har invandraren rätt till:
259 200 kr i retroaktiv föräldrapenning
12 000 kr i skattefri SFI-bonus.
Invandraren kan själv välja i vilken takt föräldrapengen ska betalas ut. SFI-bonusen betalas ut vid avklarad kurs.
Inget av ovanstående bidrag kan dras in för att invandraren vägrar att ta ett erbjudet jobb.
What do You think about Finland as a state, and finnish-swedish co-operation? Is it getting better or is it cooling down a bit?
It seems that Finland is looking more and more to east, not west. Our trade and business operations are growing all the time with Russia and Baltics. Business with Sweden is staying about the same.
One example is our travelling statistics. In the last 10 years we have been doing in a year about 1,7 million travels to Sweden, but 2,5 million travels to Russia and Baltics. So we have two close examples how to manage business, economy, money policy, and also immigration.
If we adopt more eastern style of immigration policy, we have the possibility to avoid imported "gangster culture", which has not arrived in Finland yet.
What do You think about Finland as a state, and finnish-swedish co-operation? Is it getting better or is it cooling down a bit?
It seems that Finland is looking more and more to east, not west. Our trade and business operations are growing all the time with Russia and Baltics. Business with Sweden is staying about the same.
One example is our travelling statistics. In the last 10 years we have been doing in a year about 1,7 million travels to Sweden, but 2,5 million travels to Russia and Baltics. So we have two close examples how to manage business, economy, money policy, and also immigration.
If we adopt more eastern style of immigration policy, we have the possibility to avoid imported "gangster culture", which has not arrived in Finland yet.
What I know from Finland I am very impressed. You have a very low rate of corruption and you have a modern history that very few countries compares to. When it comes to Swedish-Finnish state cooperation I hope for your sake that it's cooling down. You have very little to learn from us, more than "what not to do".
For your sake I really hope you will look more to Russia than to Sweden. Even if Russia has enormous problems they are at least talking about some of them.
Why do you need mass immigration? Better to adopt the what Putin newly spoke about "I would wish for all Russian families to have at least three children." ;)
Sweden is a warning to Finland and to the world; how to destroy something good so fast and not seeming to care.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 13:27:00
Sweden is a warning to Finland and to the world; how to destroy something good so fast and not seeming to care.
Your warning hasn't reached the mainstream opinion here, neither has Great Britain's, Holland's, France's etc. It's the media's fault: they constantly talk about how much racism there is in Sweden. They talk about the racist murders in Malmö, not mentioning Malmö's situation. The worst thing is how they say that a crime is committed by a Swede in malmö, whereas a "Swede" means someone non-Western.
And the ironic thing is, in the form of doublethink they also preach how we should be as Tolerant
TM as you, our big cousinsin.
Normal people don't know about the bad immigration situation in Europe and therefore don't expect it arrive here. We need to work on how to inform them more efficiently. Im thinking, youtube-videos are good and easy to approach. There aren't much videos of the decadent suburbs from Finland, since they haven't yet gone that bad.
1) Could you link some crucial bad videos of the ghettoes in Sweden?
2) What is the media's propaganda like of Finnish immigration critics in there? I suppose it's about the same as of You here: SD is an embodiment of evil and the Swedes are so racist as hell.
Välkommen! Läste just om Herman Linqvists krönika i AB. Han tycks ha blivit sverigedemokrat. Egentligen så säger han uppenbara sanningar, men intressantast är hans analys angående religionen i Sverige. I och med islams aggressiva attityder och ständiga krav så har svenska skolelever fått den uppfattningen att religion är samma som islam, andra finns inte!
Skall senare analysera Lindqvist på min blogg:http://frontlinjen.blogspot.fi (http://frontlinjen.blogspot.fi)
Eli Herman Lindqvistin kirjoitus löytyy tästä:http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kolumnister/hermanlindqvist/article15974504.ab (http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kolumnister/hermanlindqvist/article15974504.ab)
Arvostettu historioitsija Herman Lindqvist kirjoittaa kuin hän olisi ruotsidemokraatti! Siihen ei tarvita muuta kuin että kertoo totuuden, eli "keisarilla ei ole vaatteita!"
Mielenkiintoisin huomio on uskonnosta. Koska islam on itsevarma, aggressiivinen ja vaativa, niin Ruotsin kouluissa on syntynyt sellainen käsitys, että islam ja uskonto ovat samoja asioita, muita uskontoja ei taida olla. Ja uskontoa ei saa pilkata, siitä seuraa heti rantaistus.
OT: Onko tuo se takavuosien' Herman's Historia' -ukkeli? Katselin sarjaa aikoinaan, ja tykkäsin kovasti vauhdikkaasta ja kansantajuisesta kerronnasta. :)
Hejsan svedupelle och välkommen.
a) Vad tänker du om det Svenska Centerpartiets ny immigreringsprogramm? Är det framtiden?
b) Jag har förstått att Saab och Volvo och mest av det gamla industri som krävde arbetskraft i 70-talet har flyttat till Kina. Har ni ännu en "skrikande krav för (slav)arbetskraft" som i Finland?
c) Ska Sverige stanna på kronan eller ta euro?
d) Om a) , b), och c) är positivt: vem i helvete ska betala allt detta berikandet?
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 23.12.2012, 14:02:49
OT: Onko tuo se takavuosien' Herman's Historia' -ukkeli? Katselin sarjaa aikoinaan, ja tykkäsin kovasti vauhdikkaasta ja kansantajuisesta kerronnasta. :)
Sama ukkeli.
1) Could you link some crucial bad videos of the ghettoes in Sweden?
2) What is the media's propaganda like of Finnish immigration critics in there? I suppose it's about the same as of You here: SD is an embodiment of evil and the Swedes are so racist as hell.
I think you should start alternative media sources in Finland, we have been doing that in Sweden. It has worked quite well and the mainstream media is now with anger attacking these sites. What you talk about concerning the mainstream media is totally correct. They are always telling us that it's "sweds" who is for example fighting with Al Quaida in Syra. Some moths ago a "swed" was put on trial for the genocide in Rwanda in the 90s.
1. I will happily provide any kind of material from sweden, here are some films(the problem is that they are in swedish, but if you just want violence in sweden from immigrants that can easily be fixed also :
"Malmö feels like any arab country" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHrmSTRmjyw
"Fox has been in Malmö, this one is mainly in english" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfJmBRpTn0
"Studentriot in Göteborg" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPGT3A0hEQ
2. The swedish media, when they do mention Finland, which is not often, they mainly say that you are racists and don't want to help the poor refugees. I know some of you can actually se SVT in Finland, do you believe them at all because in sweden people are turning more and more to alternative media to get real information about the situation.
a) Vad tänker du om det Svenska Centerpartiets ny immigreringsprogramm? Är det framtiden?
Ja, fri invandring känns helt klart som vad vi behöver. Alla problem som finns skulle försvinna bara vi blir 100 miljoner invånare i landet.
Nej, men Centerpartiet styrs av en psykopatisk dåre och de är desperata efter röster. Varför detta förslag skulle ge dem några sådana är dock svårt att förstå.
b) Jag har förstått att Saab och Volvo och mest av det gamla industri som krävde arbetskraft i 70-talet har flyttat till Kina. Har ni ännu en "skrikande krav för (slav)arbetskraft" som i Finland?
Vi har närmare 10% riktig arbetslöhet.(https://www.google.se/publicdata/explore?ds=z8o7pt6rd5uqa6_&met_y=unemployment_rate&idim=country:se&fdim_y=seasonality:sa&dl=sv&hl=sv&q=arbetsl%C3%B6shet%20sverige) Arbetstillfällen har inte ökat alls sedan 1990 medan befolkningen ökat med ca 2 miljoner.
c) Ska Sverige stanna på kronan eller ta euro?
Med den nuvarande invandringspolitiken gör det varken från eller till, men EU har en obehaglig utvecklingsbana och allt som får en mer insyltad i det där superstatsprojektet undanbedes gärna. Kronan fungerar mycket bra.
Tycker du at Finland bör stanna och betala till EU-projektet?
d) Om a) , b), och c) är positivt: vem i helvete ska betala allt detta berikandet?
Du har missförstått det här med kostnader. I Sverige blir du kallad rasist när du hävdar att invandring kostar pengar. Man får inte tala om "Vi och dom" eller "Ställa grupper mot varandra." Sverige kommer i sin mångkulturella form att producera mer än något annat samhälle någonsin och paradiset kommer att vara kantat av guldgator och resurserna kommer aldrig att sina i detta fantastiska underland.
Skulle detta dock inte bli fallet i framtiden så kommer pengarna snabbt ta slut och den svenska välfärlden helt nedmonteras.(vilket många tror är målet med massinvandringen) Maffian som redan styr en del kommuner i landet kommer nog inte ligga på latsidan och snart blir vi nog ett stort Detroit.
Ps. Vad betyder "Svedupelle"?
Välkommen! Läste just om Herman Linqvists krönika i AB. Han tycks ha blivit sverigedemokrat. Egentligen så säger han uppenbara sanningar, men intressantast är hans analys angående religionen i Sverige. I och med islams aggressiva attityder och ständiga krav så har svenska skolelever fått den uppfattningen att religion är samma som islam, andra finns inte!
Det var roligt att läsa Hermans krönika i Aftonbladet, men ... han får nog kicken eller mobbas ialla fall ut. Man får inte skriva såhär utan en rejäl avbön. Han har redan tidigare hamnat i stora problem då han uttalde sig på en nazistsite om att Sverige håller på att gå under. Han bad om ursäkt för den gången och PK-eliten i Sverige kan tillåta ett fåtal felsägningar och sedan bot och bättring. Men sker det upprepade gånger så är man körd, helt klart.
Herman är gammal och han tänker gå i pension. Så tolkar jag hans utspel.
Ett litet vänligt sinnat tips till Svensken. I varje inlägg finns det i det övre högra hörnet en "Lainaus" knapp. Tryck på den så citerar du det inlägg du svarar på. Tänkte bara att det blir jobbigt för dig att alltid klippa och klistra den du vill citera.
Skälet till att jag är intresserad av vad mottagningspenning är på rikssvenska, beror på att jag försöker översätta ett medborgarinitiativ, som jag tänkte sprida på olika svenska forum. Det finns en massa röstberättigade finnar samt finlandssvenskar i Sverige. Det är deras underskrifter jag är ute efter.
Quote from: Slartibartfast on 23.12.2012, 15:22:15
Ett litet vänligt sinnat tips till Svensken. I varje inlägg finns det i det övre högra hörnet en "Lainaus" knapp. Tryck på den så citerar du det inlägg du svarar på. Tänkte bara att det blir jobbigt för dig att alltid klippa och klistra den du vill citera.
Skälet till att jag är intresserad av vad mottagningspenning är på rikssvenska, beror på att jag försöker översätta ett medborgarinitiativ, som jag tänkte sprida på olika svenska forum. Det finns en massa röstberättigade finnar samt finlandssvenskar i Sverige. Det är deras underskrifter jag är ute efter.
Uppfattat, jag trodde det var ett trolltest ifall jag ens kunde svenska :)
Nu har jag ialla fall lärt mig hur man citerar, tackar för det!
Jättebra med initiativet, vad går det ut på och var kan man hitta det?
QuotePs. Vad betyder "Svedupelle"?
Nå, du har hört om "Pekka-vitser". Det är en namn som ser mycket Finskt. "Pelle" är smeknamn för Pär eller Bärtil, inte? Så det är en namn som ser ut mycket Svenskt. Svedupelle är bara en smeknamn för Svenskarna.
Det altså är mycket roligt namn, för "pelle" i Finsk är clown i circus ;D
Såg några tuffisar med fina kläder. En hade stort PELLE PELLE i rycken, och det andra KANI. Vi skrattade och tuffisar var helt WTF? Nå, hur tuffa det är CLOWN CLOWN och BUNNY
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:24:24
Quote from: Slartibartfast on 23.12.2012, 15:22:15
Ett litet vänligt sinnat tips till Svensken. I varje inlägg finns det i det övre högra hörnet en "Lainaus" knapp. Tryck på den så citerar du det inlägg du svarar på. Tänkte bara att det blir jobbigt för dig att alltid klippa och klistra den du vill citera.
Skälet till att jag är intresserad av vad mottagningspenning är på rikssvenska, beror på att jag försöker översätta ett medborgarinitiativ, som jag tänkte sprida på olika svenska forum. Det finns en massa röstberättigade finnar samt finlandssvenskar i Sverige. Det är deras underskrifter jag är ute efter.
Uppfattat, jag trodde det var ett trolltest ifall jag ens kunde svenska :)
Nu har jag ialla fall lärt mig hur man citerar, tackar för det!
Jättebra med initiativet, vad går det ut på och var kan man hitta det?
Initiativet går ut på att neka asylsökande bidrag. Istället får de fullt uppehälle på den statliga förläggningen. Detta leder till att endast äkta flyktingar söker sig till Finland. Initiativet finns här på Justitieministeriets sida, men det mesta är skrivet på finska.
https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/sv/initiativ/42
För mig det är så att jag läser väl och förstår lite om pratat rikssvenska, någon ordbok användar jag inte. Att tala svenska är inte så lätt för mig. Välkommen hit, Sveriges sak är vår! ;)
Slartibartfast:
Vilket bra förslag du har skrivit ihop, all heder till dig!
Hur många underskrifter behöver du?
Om jag varit finsk medborgare så hade jag skrivit under det direkt!
Quote from: Lemmy on 23.12.2012, 15:35:31
QuotePs. Vad betyder "Svedupelle"?
Nå, du har hört om "Pekka-vitser". Det är en namn som ser mycket Finskt. "Pelle" är smeknamn för Pär eller Bärtil, inte? Så det är en namn som ser ut mycket Svenskt. Svedupelle är bara en smeknamn för Svenskarna.
Det altså är mycket roligt namn, för "pelle" i Finsk är clown i circus ;D
Såg några tuffisar med fina kläder. En hade stort PELLE PELLE i rycken, och det andra KANI. Vi skrattade och tuffisar var helt WTF? Nå, hur tuffa det är CLOWN CLOWN och BUNNY
Det passar bra att ni kallar oss för clowner för Sverige idag är både en cirkus och ett stort skämt!
Fortsätt så!
It's good that you call us clowns(Svedupelle) in Sweden because our country is today nothing else than a circus and a big joke!
Keep it up!
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 23.12.2012, 15:39:43
För mig det är så att jag läser väl och förstår lite om pratat rikssvenska, någon ordbok användar jag inte. Att tala svenska är inte så lätt för mig. Välkommen hit, Sveriges sak är vår! ;)
Jo, men jag har hört att svenskan är lite laddad i Finland och därför skriver jag gärna på engelska för att visa er den respekt som ni så väl förtjänar.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:44:58
Slartibartfast:
Vilket bra förslag du har skrivit ihop, all heder till dig!
Hur många underskrifter behöver du?
Om jag varit finsk medborgare så hade jag skrivit under det direkt!
Jag har inte på något sätt skrivit förslaget. Den som bör få äran är den ursprungliga skribenten Micke90. Själv försöker jag bara översätta hans initiativ. Vi behöver ungefär 50 000 underskrifter.
Quote from: Slartibartfast on 23.12.2012, 15:51:45
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:44:58
Slartibartfast:
Vilket bra förslag du har skrivit ihop, all heder till dig!
Hur många underskrifter behöver du?
Om jag varit finsk medborgare så hade jag skrivit under det direkt!
Jag har inte på något sätt skrivit förslaget. Den som bör få äran är den ursprungliga skribenten Micke90. Själv försöker jag bara översätta hans initiativ. Vi behöver ungefär 50 000 underskrifter.
Vad händer om han får 50.000 underskrifter?
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:13:57
a) Nej, men Centerpartiet styrs av en psykopatisk dåre och de är desperata efter röster. Varför detta förslag skulle ge dem några sådana är dock svårt att förstå.
Det var vad den Brittiska Labour gjorde. Och in Holland de prover det samma, och även i Finland. Men de ser inte det fel - i England är det listval, så att invandrare röstar någon invandrare, de gamla härrorna i eliten är detta som går in i kommunstyrelsen och parliament. Med systemet i Europa, de invandrare röster invandrare, de invandrare är röstad in, och sparkar de gamla härrorna ut. De egna hundarna biter mycket mycket snabbare.
Quote
Arbetstillfällen har inte ökat alls sedan 1990 medan befolkningen ökat med ca 2 miljoner.
Och det ringer inga larm?
QuoteTycker du at Finland bör stanna och betala till EU-projektet?
Finland kan göra vad fan de vill, jag flyttade till England ett par år sedan. Det är galna, men inte eurogalna.
QuoteSverige kommer i sin mångkulturella form att producera mer än något annat samhälle någonsin och paradiset kommer att vara kantat av guldgator och resurserna kommer aldrig att sina i detta fantastiska underland.
Jo, kommunismen var bara över det nästa backen i SU också ;D
QuoteSkulle detta dock inte bli fallet i framtiden så kommer pengarna snabbt ta slut och den svenska välfärlden helt nedmonteras.(vilket många tror är målet med massinvandringen) Maffian som redan styr en del kommuner i landet kommer nog inte ligga på latsidan och snart blir vi nog ett stort Detroit.
Vi har det samma tron om välfärden i Finland också. Men vi har inte så mycket pengar at skoja med som i Sverige eller Norge, så det kommer i vår tid och inte framtid. Alla pengar går nu till Grekland så det finns inga pengar för immigrationen, kanske det EU gör nånting gott.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:53:10
Vad händer om han får 50.000 underskrifter?
Det måste tas upp i riksdagen som en proposition.
Thank you for the links.
Quote= 21 810 kr i månaden
(= 2 652,10 EUR)
Is this official information? Is this what they tell people, or has someone dug this info in some way?
In here they keep repeating their mantra: "immigrants get just as much as the Finnish do", but it is kinda hard to prove their claims untrue, since they don't tell the exact numbers.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:49:40
Jo, men jag har hört att svenskan är lite laddad i Finland och därför skriver jag gärna på engelska för att visa er den respekt som ni så väl förtjänar.
När vi var i skolan, vi frågade varför måste vi Svenska. Landen full av bög i pink byxor och de jävla kusin med ny volvo. Lärarinnan alltid sade: "Ni måste lära Svenska för att kommunikera i Norden". Och vad händer? De fan alltid byter till Engelska. Jag bara ger tillbaka alla de år jag svälte i klassen för det fem deklinationer och en ett farfarsbyxor... ;D
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:49:40
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 23.12.2012, 15:39:43
För mig det är så att jag läser väl och förstår lite om pratat rikssvenska, någon ordbok användar jag inte. Att tala svenska är inte så lätt för mig. Välkommen hit, Sveriges sak är vår! ;)
Jo, men jag har hört att svenskan är lite laddad i Finland och därför skriver jag gärna på engelska för att visa er den respekt som ni så väl förtjänar.
If I may say so, my English is pretty fluent. So the communication with u will be easier from this side in English, I think. This is a question of mutual respect. Way to go! :)
Quote from: crissaegrim on 23.12.2012, 16:00:31
Thank you for the links.
Quote= 21 810 kr i månaden
(= 2 652,10 EUR)
Is this official information? Is this what they tell people, or has someone dug this info in some way?
In here they keep repeating their mantra: "immigrants get just as much as the Finnish do", but it is kinda hard to prove their claims untrue, since they don't tell the exact numbers.
The mainstream media actually became crazy when the alternative media told this. But when the "good journalists" tried to disprove this number they counted and instead got the number
21.541:- (260:- less)
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:47:36
Quote from: Lemmy on 23.12.2012, 15:35:31
QuotePs. Vad betyder "Svedupelle"?
Nå, du har hört om "Pekka-vitser". Det är en namn som ser mycket Finskt. "Pelle" är smeknamn för Pär eller Bärtil, inte? Så det är en namn som ser ut mycket Svenskt. Svedupelle är bara en smeknamn för Svenskarna.
Det altså är mycket roligt namn, för "pelle" i Finsk är clown i circus ;D
Såg några tuffisar med fina kläder. En hade stort PELLE PELLE i rycken, och det andra KANI. Vi skrattade och tuffisar var helt WTF? Nå, hur tuffa det är CLOWN CLOWN och BUNNY
Det passar bra att ni kallar oss för clowner för Sverige idag är både en cirkus och ett stort skämt!
Fortsätt så!
It's good that you call us clowns(Svedupelle) in Sweden because our country is today nothing else than a circus and a big joke!
Keep it up!
Vi har circus arkadia också. Så samma är här.
Lemmy:
Jo, stora delar av Europa gör samma sak, men inte ni i Finland :)
Larm, nähä, såklart inte. Då är man ju rasist.
Varför flyttade du till England? Jag var där i arbetet ganska så nyligen och såg London, FY FAN vilket ställe!
Det liknar kommunismens lov väldigt mycket, fast de lovar inget paradis egentligen utan säger mest att det var så grått och tråkigt tidigare, men nu när Muhammed kommer hit så blir allt bra. Men när den sista svensken är död händer det säkert något spännande och bra, som i Zimbabwe ;)
Quote from: Lemmy on 23.12.2012, 16:09:19
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:49:40
Jo, men jag har hört att svenskan är lite laddad i Finland och därför skriver jag gärna på engelska för att visa er den respekt som ni så väl förtjänar.
När vi var i skolan, vi frågade varför måste vi Svenska. Landen full av bög i pink byxor och de jävla kusin med ny volvo. Lärarinnan alltid sade: "Ni måste lära Svenska för att kommunikera i Norden". Och vad händer? De fan alltid byter till Engelska. Jag bara ger tillbaka alla de år jag svälte i klassen för det fem deklinationer och en ett farfarsbyxor... ;D
Ja, eller snart är det nog arabiska som gäller. I delar av malmö och andra storstäder så är det helt lkart arabiska som är det språket som folk förstå.
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin
Vi har circus arkadia också. Så samma är här.
På vilket vis har ni det circus i Finland också?
Would it be too much if everybody would stick to English? Easier to follow I think. Thank u all. :)
Quote from: alussaolisana on 23.12.2012, 16:20:57
Would it be too much if everybody would stick to English? Easier to follow I think. Thank u all. :)
Agree, very good post!
I will only write in english then!
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 16:11:32
Quote from: crissaegrim on 23.12.2012, 16:00:31
Thank you for the links.
Quote= 21 810 kr i månaden
(= 2 652,10 EUR)
Is this official information? Is this what they tell people, or has someone dug this info in some way?
In here they keep repeating their mantra: "immigrants get just as much as the Finnish do", but it is kinda hard to prove their claims untrue, since they don't tell the exact numbers.
The mainstream media actually became crazy when the alternative media told this. But when the "good journalists" tried to disprove this number they counted and instead got the number 21.541:- (260:- less)
Okay. It must eat up their credibility when they get caught from lying. Have the politicians commented the lack of equality on the welfares?
We had this one case where the police got mad when someone had posted on the internet a picture of a muslim's bank account statement, where there were many credit transfers from the city of Lieksa to him.
I don't know if it is legal for me to link a picture of it, they were searching the uploader and distributors with quite a bloodthirstiness...
If you type "tiliote suojeluskunta" in google picture search, for instance, it is the first one. The sums are in EUR, ofc.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 16:11:32
Quote from: crissaegrim on 23.12.2012, 16:00:31
Thank you for the links.
Quote= 21 810 kr i månaden
(= 2 652,10 EUR)
Is this official information? Is this what they tell people, or has someone dug this info in some way?
In here they keep repeating their mantra: "immigrants get just as much as the Finnish do", but it is kinda hard to prove their claims untrue, since they don't tell the exact numbers.
The mainstream media actually became crazy when the alternative media told this. But when the "good journalists" tried to disprove this number they counted and instead got the number 21.541:- (260:- less)
It is true that the swedish media tried to dissaprove Fria Tiders article. The factual numbers are in this mainstream media article. What a dissapointment for mainstream media.
http://www.dt.se/nyheter/dalarna/1.5208814-riksdag
sman-om-bidragsdebatten
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 16:20:26
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin
Vi har circus arkadia också. Så samma är här.
På vilket vis har ni det circus i Finland också?
Well, we got near 200 clown in our circus and they do stupider and stupider tricks for pension or just for better eu-jobs.
crissaegrim:
He got fat on his payment :D
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin] on 23.12.2012, 16:31:20
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 16:20:26
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin
Vi har circus arkadia också. Så samma är här.
På vilket vis har ni det circus i Finland också?
Well, we got near 200 clown in our circus and they do stupider and stupider tricks for pension or just for better eu-jobs.
But how many immigrants do you have in %?
Can you beat our abut 20%?
Not yet, but following fast. Even more than swedes, I wonder about norwegians. Why the hell they wanted to spoil their beautiful and well-off (oil) country with immigrants they did not need?
Our holy task is to spoil our poor country as well. Plus we need to support Greece and other shit. We are the stupidest country in the world. This sucks big time, but what can u do.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 16:36:45
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin] on 23.12.2012, 16:31:20
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 16:20:26
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin
Vi har circus arkadia också. Så samma är här.
På vilket vis har ni det circus i Finland också?
Well, we got near 200 clown in our circus and they do stupider and stupider tricks for pension or just for better eu-jobs.
But how many immigrants do you have in %?
Can you beat our abut 20%?
I think little less than 5%, but them try really hard.
This is good if you want find quite correct information about Finland: http://stat.fi/index_sv.html
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:49:40
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 23.12.2012, 15:39:43
För mig det är så att jag läser väl och förstår lite om pratat rikssvenska, någon ordbok användar jag inte. Att tala svenska är inte så lätt för mig. Välkommen hit, Sveriges sak är vår! ;)
Jo, men jag har hört att svenskan är lite laddad i Finland och därför skriver jag gärna på engelska för att visa er den respekt som ni så väl förtjänar.
You just saved my Christmas!
Perrrkele! Talvisota! :'( (No, I'm not drunk, just getting a little emotional here ;D )
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 16:16:56
Lemmy:Jo, stora delar av Europa gör samma sak, men inte ni i Finland :)
Nope, the Greens and the left have been promoting immigrant candidates, but a bit like window dressing, they can't have anyone with their own brain rising up.
QuoteVarför flyttade du till England?
I am working on my CV and career. In my profession its easier to get a "money job" here than trying to work up the ladder while paying taxes in Nordic paradise.
QuoteJag var där i arbetet ganska så nyligen och såg London, FY FAN vilket ställe!
I'm not in London, in a small town and slowly getting cabin fever, London, sure if they pay enough... my eyes are on Dublin, its still the IT mecca. There are the good points, here they call it "winter" and I need to wrap in a down-filled duvet when the neighbors palm tree gets a frosting. And I like the GBP too - which is the down factor to Dublin. Its just the thing - to live in Finland you need to win in the lottery two times, once to be born and a second time to afford to live there.
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin] on 23.12.2012, 16:47:02
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 16:36:45
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin] on 23.12.2012, 16:31:20
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 16:20:26
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin
Vi har circus arkadia också. Så samma är här.
På vilket vis har ni det circus i Finland också?
Well, we got near 200 clown in our circus and they do stupider and stupider tricks for pension or just for better eu-jobs.
But how many immigrants do you have in %?
Can you beat our abut 20%?
I think little less than 5%, but them try really hard.
This is good if you want find quite correct information about Finland: http://stat.fi/index_sv.html
5% :D
Next year, or the year after, we will probably have 25%.
You have still a chance to save your home country!
Sweden is only a sinking ship.
Quote from: Nuivettunut Han-nenetsi on 23.12.2012, 16:48:35
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:49:40
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 23.12.2012, 15:39:43
För mig det är så att jag läser väl och förstår lite om pratat rikssvenska, någon ordbok användar jag inte. Att tala svenska är inte så lätt för mig. Välkommen hit, Sveriges sak är vår! ;)
Jo, men jag har hört att svenskan är lite laddad i Finland och därför skriver jag gärna på engelska för att visa er den respekt som ni så väl förtjänar.
You just saved my Christmas!
Perrrkele! Talvisota! :'( (No, I'm not drunk, just getting a little emotional here ;D )
I am so happy I could make you happy :)
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 15:13:57
Tycker du at Finland bör stanna och betala till EU-projektet?
If I feel the sentiment right, most of the finns want to stay in the EU and in the Euro-money (other writers may disagree), but they don't want to pay other countries depts. As a matter of fact, EU agreement specifically prohibits any country to pay an other countrys depts!. But EU-rules, who cares...
Finnish politicians made a huge mistake when they couple of years ago promised to take part of rescueing Greece from bankruptcy. After that everything has gone worse. And there is no light at the tunnel. More and more people are turning against euro because it will cause us too much losses.
Finnish parliament is located on the Arcadia-hill, that's why "Circus Arcadia".
Can you name Swedish politicians outside Sverigedemokrater who are orientated against immigration or have at least given critical statements on current immigration policies?
Although Sannfinländarna is the only consistently immigration critical party with parliament representation, the situation isn't black and white in Finland. There are politicians critical of immigration in almost every party, more numerous in the political right and regrettably rare in red-green circles. It's just a shame that they don't have a say when it comes to writing the official party policies.
In the last few elections it has seemed to be the case that the established parties choose candidates with critical attitudes on their lists so that they would appeal to certain voters. This is a double-faced game, because after the elections the parties require their representants to stick in line with official policies (known in Finnish as "ryhmäkuri", i.e. "group discipline"). A well-known example of this phenomenon was Kai Pöntinen, a National Coalition Party candidate in European Elections 2009. Pöntinen stirred the public debate by urging on the cover of Helsingin Sanomat to "Stop Social Immigration" at once. Although Pöntinen wasn't elected, he received 5 735 votes which NCP most probably wouldn't have gained had he not campaigned. Another NCP politician Ben Zyskowicz is a long-time member of parliament and has pronounced very critical stances on criminal foreign nationals, but casts his votes in accordance with official NCP policies. The Social Democratic former Minister of Interior Kari Rajamäki promoted strict asylum policies, although some writers on this forum might disagree with this in some respect.
^ The "National" in the party's name is just a joke these days.
Quote from: Itä ei nuku on 23.12.2012, 17:51:46
Can you name Swedish politicians outside Sverigedemokrater who are orientated against immigration or have at least given critical statements on current immigration policies?
Although Sannfinländarna is the only consistently immigration critical party with parliament representation, the situation isn't black and white in Finland. There are politicians critical of immigration in almost every party, more numerous in the political right and regrettably rare in red-green circles. It's just a shame that they don't have a say when it comes to writing the official party policies.
In the last few elections it has seemed to be the case that the established parties choose candidates with critical attitudes on their lists so that they would appeal to certain voters. This is a double-faced game, because after the elections the parties require their representants to stick in line with official policies (known in Finnish as "ryhmäkuri", i.e. "group discipline"). A well-known example of this phenomenon was Kai Pöntinen, a National Coalition Party candidate in European Elections 2009. Pöntinen stirred the public debate by urging on the cover of Helsingin Sanomat to "Stop Social Immigration" at once. Although Pöntinen wasn't elected, he received 5 735 votes which NCP most probably wouldn't have gained had he not campaigned. Another NCP politician Ben Zyskowicz is a long-time member of parliament and has pronounced very critical stances on criminal foreign nationals, but casts his votes in accordance with official NCP policies. The Social Democratic former Minister of Interior Kari Rajamäki promoted strict asylum policies, although some writers on this forum might disagree with this in some respect.
Two Social Democrates Ilsma Repalu (chief in Malmö) and Göran Johansson (Former chief in Göteborg). They both said publicly to halt immigration at least partly and to have stronger border controls. But their statements were not approved by higher people and they both made the very common apology: "I did not mean what I said." Some days ago a known blogger said that he "backed 100%" from a post about how silly sweds are who never stands for their views and that we have a to big immigration. Mention this last thing about the blogger to give a picture of how sick the debate-climate is in the country.
It's really interesting to get a picture of politics in Finland.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 17:59:24
Two Social Democrates Ilsma Repalu (chief in Malmö)...
An inside joke? Ilmar Reepalu?
Quote from: Malla on 23.12.2012, 18:03:30
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 17:59:24
Two Social Democrates Ilsma Repalu (chief in Malmö)...
An inside joke? Ilmar Reepalu?
Sorry, I misspelled yes, Ilmar Reepalu does he's name mean something or wh did you think it was a joke?
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 18:05:08
Quote from: Malla on 23.12.2012, 18:03:30
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 17:59:24
Two Social Democrates Ilsma Repalu (chief in Malmö)...
An inside joke? Ilmar Reepalu?
Sorry, I misspelled yes, Ilmar Reepalu does he's name mean something or wh did you think it was a joke?
Not really but ilsma -> islam
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 17:59:24
Mention this last thing about the blogger to give a picture of how sick the debate-climate is in the country.
It's really interesting to get a picture of politics in Finland.
Well, we Finns have a bit sick political climate, too. Some immigration criticists, such as Jussi Halla-aho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussi_Halla-aho) have been sentenced of blasphemy against Moslems or incitement to hatred.
But at least I think, that maybe Finland is to Sweden a little bit like Estonia is to Finland. Sorry for a bit off-topic, but I think our southern neighbor tolerates anti-immigration and nationalism much better than the Finnish establishment does.
Quote from: Slartibartfast on 23.12.2012, 12:14:31
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 12:08:20
På finlandssvenska heter det "mottagnings- och brukspenning". Det kanske är något snarlikt på rikssvenska.
Allt heter så roligt på finlandssvenska, många gånger inte bara roligt utan främst väldigt vackert och högtidligt. Jag gillar verkligen finlandssvenskan, i brist på att förstå mig på finskan.
Vet du hur ser finlandssvenskarna på det som sker i Sverige?
Jag är inte själv finlandssvensk, så jag kan inte svara på din fråga. Den frågan får du nog bäst svar på i Huvudstadsbladets kommentarsfält.
Jag är finlandssvensk (boende utomlands) men hemma i Finland nu över julen.
Jag har redan hunnit diskutera Sveriges situation med många av mina släktingar. De ser på svensk TV varje dag och är nog bekymrade över utvecklingen, främst då i Rinkeby och Rosengård. De vet att polis och brandmän inte är välkomna där och de
tycker att vattenkanoner med fördel kunde användas mot dylika typer (dvs de som kastar sten mot polis, brandmän etc)..
Jag har upplyst dem om att problemen är mycket mera omfattande än så. Läser själv Avpixlat och följer speciellt med skolans utveckling (snarare avveckling) i Sverige...
Fri invandring a la Centern menar de är totalt världsfrånvänt. Alla jag pratat med tror Centern kommer falla ur riksdagen pga detta förslag.
Most of my friends are trusting the Finnish system, that the laws are good, also the immigration ones. When we start discussing they are surprised by some of the facts I bring up. But since they mostly watch the Swedish news, read Huvudstadsbladet and other newspapers written in Swedish, they don't notice a lot of the negative aspects of the current immigration policies. The media in Finland too is very 'multicultti' friendly.
As I have lived abroad for many years, married to a foreigner and have only one child , for me personally it is much more important that Finland also in the future is a safe place with good schools for all children, no matter where you live in Finland.
So, I often use Sweden as an example of what NOT to do. And I write here. In Finnish mostly.
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 23.12.2012, 18:09:51
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 17:59:24
Mention this last thing about the blogger to give a picture of how sick the debate-climate is in the country.
It's really interesting to get a picture of politics in Finland.
Well, we Finns have a bit sick political climate, too. Some immigration criticists, such as Jussi Halla-aho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussi_Halla-aho) have been sentenced of blasphemy against Moslems or incitement to hatred.
But at least I think, that maybe Finland is to Sweden a little bit like Estonia is to Finland. Sorry for a bit off-topic, but I think our southern neighbor tolerates anti-immigration and nationalism much better than the Finnish establishment does.
Southern neighbours tolerate differing opinions in politics in general because they have experienced what it is to live so completely without diversity of political opinion. History might also explain why they are not so tolerant towards giving one political group a monopoly on "public facts" - at least if those facts are outlandishly divergent from existing reality.
Finland has never really de-Finlandized its' politics, as that would demand a major internal shift. Then again, it has no en-Swedenized itself, even if moderate Social Democrats have continuously praised Sweden. When Soviet Union fell, greens and communists were for a second a bit lost, but then joined the crowd...
You asked earlier about this party that was established here, in Homma. The party is Change 2011 and we are small but energetic. :-*
We are openly critical towards the present immigration scheme that has almost nothing to do with the real asylum seekers, but rather welcomes people with no intention of becoming valued citizens - rather the opposite: the society deteriorates because of them and CEAS is promising us even more of this good.
I wish more Swedes were like you, but, all in good time. Also a warm welcome from my part. :)
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 23.12.2012, 18:09:51
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 17:59:24
Mention this last thing about the blogger to give a picture of how sick the debate-climate is in the country.
It's really interesting to get a picture of politics in Finland.
Well, we Finns have a bit sick political climate, too. Some immigration criticists, such as Jussi Halla-aho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussi_Halla-aho) have been sentenced of blasphemy against Moslems or incitement to hatred.
But at least I think, that maybe Finland is to Sweden a little bit like Estonia is to Finland. Sorry for a bit off-topic, but I think our southern neighbor tolerates anti-immigration and nationalism much better than the Finnish establishment does.
Why was he comvicted?
Islam is a paedophilia religion because of the fact that Muhammed was a paedophile and he is the best example of how to live for all muslims. It's like 1+1=2.
Quote from: chacha2 on 23.12.2012, 18:18:48
Quote from: Slartibartfast on 23.12.2012, 12:14:31
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 12:08:20
På finlandssvenska heter det "mottagnings- och brukspenning". Det kanske är något snarlikt på rikssvenska.
Allt heter så roligt på finlandssvenska, många gånger inte bara roligt utan främst väldigt vackert och högtidligt. Jag gillar verkligen finlandssvenskan, i brist på att förstå mig på finskan.
Vet du hur ser finlandssvenskarna på det som sker i Sverige?
Jag är inte själv finlandssvensk, så jag kan inte svara på din fråga. Den frågan får du nog bäst svar på i Huvudstadsbladets kommentarsfält.
Jag är finlandssvensk (boende utomlands) men hemma i Finland nu över julen.
Jag har redan hunnit diskutera Sveriges situation med många av mina släktingar. De ser på svensk TV varje dag och är nog bekymrade över utvecklingen, främst då i Rinkeby och Rosengård. De vet att polis och brandmän inte är välkomna där och de
tycker att vattenkanoner med fördel kunde användas mot dylika typer (dvs de som kastar sten mot polis, brandmän etc)..
Jag har upplyst dem om att problemen är mycket mera omfattande än så. Läser själv Avpixlat och följer speciellt med skolans utveckling (snarare avveckling) i Sverige...
Fri invandring a la Centern menar de är totalt världsfrånvänt. Alla jag pratat med tror Centern kommer falla ur riksdagen pga detta förslag.
Most of my friends are trusting the Finnish system, that the laws are good, also the immigration ones. When we start discussing they are surprised by some of the facts I bring up. But since they mostly watch the Swedish news, read Huvudstadsbladet and other newspapers written in Swedish, they don't notice a lot of the negative aspects of the current immigration policies. The media in Finland too is very 'multicultti' friendly.
As I have lived abroad for many years, married to a foreigner and have only one child , for me personally it is much more important that Finland also in the future is a safe place with good schools for all children, no matter where you live in Finland.
So, I often use Sweden as an example of what NOT to do. And I write here. In Finnish mostly.
Where in Finland does your relatives live?
Why is Swedish peoples party so pro mass immigration?
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 23.12.2012, 19:21:51
You asked earlier about this party that was established here, in Homma. The party is Change 2011 and we are small but energetic. :-*
We are openly critical towards the present immigration scheme that has almost nothing to do with the real asylum seekers, but rather welcomes people with no intention of becoming valued citizens - rather the opposite: the society deteriorates because of them and CEAS is promising us even more of this good.
I wish more Swedes were like you, but, all in good time. Also a warm welcome from my part. :)
Why did you not join PS, what is the difference between your party and them?
Thanks for all your nice words. I wish the sweds were more like you guys ;)
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:48:36
Why is Swedish peoples party so pro mass immigration?
My five pennies worth: because they have privileges, they want certain (arrogant) immigrants here demanding their privileges so that the Fenno-Swedes can keep theirs.
I just looove the chaos theory. :-*
---
Oh, you posted a message before I sent mine, so the answer is: I did join the PS party but noticed pretty quickly that my heart beats stronger for the ideas of direct democracy and the freedom of speech. Therefore Change 2011. (PS still holds a place in my heart.) :-*
Do you remember a party 20 years ago called Ny Demokrati? They were very anti-immigration in their rhetoric and in the TV-debates all other party-leaders walked out in a protest against such a racist party participating the election.
They got through the eelctoral threshold of 4% in 1991 but they were a one-term wonder. However, many of their policies have later been implemented by the later governments of Sweden.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:46:57
Why was he comvicted?
Islam is a paedophilia religion because of the fact that Muhammed was a paedophile and he is the best example of how to live for all muslims. It's like 1+1=2.
Exactly. He got his blasphemy conviction by saying something like: "The Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile, and Islam is a religion sanctifying pedophilia, that is, a pedophile religion. Pedophilia is Allah's will."
His incitement conviction came from saying "Looting passers-by and living on the taxes is the Somalis' national, perhaps even as a genetic characteristic.". He said that it was a parody of a newspaper article, which said that killing people when drunk is maybe a "national, perhaps even as a genetic characteristic" of the Finns (the people. Byt the way, the True Finns party also calls their parliamentary group "The Finns" in English, which is not considered so good thing by some people.).
Mr. Halla-aho wanted to demonstrate the inconsistency that you can say something bad about Finns without being prosecuted, but you can't say that of the Somalis.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:48:36
Why is Swedish peoples party so pro mass immigration?
Numbers of native Swedish speakers are not exactly in rise. The change is dramatic from early independence, when sizeable portion (20%?) of population was Swedish-speaking, and vast majority of financial wealth was congregated to swedish-speaking families. Not all Swedish-speaking Finns were wealthy by any standard, but wealth that was was largely built on privileged position in the class society.
Swedish-speaking Finns are - somewhat understandably - concerned of their dwindling position in the society. Unfortunately this also connects to class elitism - such as "God-given" right to educational institutions which keep them away from the "common folk" - Finnish-speaking Finns, that is. Either it's lack of sense of reality, or cold calculating attitude that's behind Swedish Peoples' Party attitude towards immigration. Minorities have special right to special benefits. Majority - how convincingly Finnish-speaking Finns in this case - don't. They're the taxpayers. Speaking Swedish makes a minority rightfully more privileged in itself, many of them think. Immigration is some sort of a lever to these people, hopefully creating bigger "pro-minority" effect on Finnish politics. Different rules for different creeds, that seems like unquestioned attitude among many politicians, not just SFP politicians - because the party has had much stronger position in Finnish politics than what its' size would mandate.
Of course, it's not all that simple. There are various paths on the side - like Swedish-speaking greenhouse farmers which benefit from foreign workers not knowing their rights properly, but financially supported by the society when troubles occur. Most important part is that SFP even more than other parties (none of which has almost ever reached absolute majority in politics) can trust that their projects are mostly funded by "others." Maybe this is not an unbiased opinion, but my feeling is that most of the politically prestigious SFP members don't consider Finnish speakers entirely human, with real right of decision on their own matters. This attitude really stains their own reputation - but obviously not enough to be pushed away from rather successfull position in inner circle of Finnish politics. (SFP has been continuously on all governments since early seventies, if I remember correctly. No other party has succeeded in that.)
True Finns are repeatedly demanded to shake away any sympathies for "racism", or whatever they call it. SFP has its' own dark history - with Axel Olof Freudenthal, highly valued member of svekoman movement in the 19th century. His opinions on speakers of Finnish and Swedish were outright racist in favor of Swedish speakers, and prizes named after him are still given at this time. Yet, somehow it's fine to be Freudenthalian, but it's bad to support idea that even immigrants would be responsible of their own life and actions, despite their "better" creed (which strangely enough, shows up as higher unemployment and crime rates).
In general, SFP is laser-gazed single-focus party. If something benefits Swedish speaking minority, to hell with thought how it affects the majority. If something causes even a minor dent in their benefits, it's unacceptable. It's understandable in some ways, but what is a bit hard to understand how they can unite people from extreme conservatives to communists under this single cause - cause of special privileges to Swedish speakers. In a way it feels that the minority has effectively hanged itself by this single-interest attitude. No matter what they do, majority of their minority votes the party. As result of rather lacking competition, they just don't have corrective feedback on the manner other parties may experience.
Ja, hur har det kunna gå så för Svenska folkpartiet? Idag kännetecknas det av två saker; en liberal kriminalpolitik och massimport av muslimer. Just de faktorer som förstör Sverige. Ifall vi går 50 år tillbaka i tiden så var SFP ganska annorlunda, ett socialkonservativt parti med en agenda liknande SD:s idag.
Tänk oss Sfp för 50 år sen och låt oss jämföra två politiker i partiet. Vi kallar den ena Sven och den andra Alwar.
Sven har rykte om sig att vara en rakryggad fosterländsk man. Står klart till höger och man vet att han varit med om tuffa saker under krigen och också själv visat sig hård och tuff. Sådana karlar respekteras inom väljarkåren.
Alwar lutar långt åt vänster, är en radikal pacifist med religiösa förtecken. Inom partiets väljarkår ser man inte med blida ögon på hans agenda. Men, å andra sidan förstår man att han är med som kandidat för att locka de religiöst färgade pacifisternas röster i Närpes, Korsnäs, Munsala osv. Dessa skulle annars gå till kommunisten Georg! Det Sven står för är också partiets linje i stort.
Nu 50 år senare kan man med sorg i hjärtat konstatera att Alwars linje segrat helt och hållet och sådana som Sven skulle i dag stämplas som fascister och allt annat. Man kan säga att SFP av idag är Alwar + förespråkarna för massimmigration utan krav på de som kommer. Eller rättare sagt kräver SFP att ursprungsbefolkningen ändrar sig för att gå invandrarna till mötes.
Dessa personer var inga fiktiva politiker utan Alwar Sundell, vänsterinriktad pacifist och Sven Högström som var justitieminister på 1950-talet och hurudan kriminalpolitik han bedrev kan man gissa utifrån att då han satt som krigsdomare under kriget så gav han som mest 9 dödsdomar under en enda dag.
Georg Backlund var hård stalinist och fångade också röster bland religiösa.
Denna korta historik skrev jag ifall Svensken förundrar sig över Sfp och dess nuvarande linje.
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 23.12.2012, 20:01:24
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:46:57
Why was he comvicted?
Islam is a paedophilia religion because of the fact that Muhammed was a paedophile and he is the best example of how to live for all muslims. It's like 1+1=2.
Exactly. He got his blasphemy conviction by saying something like: "The Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile, and Islam is a religion sanctifying pedophilia, that is, a pedophile religion. Pedophilia is Allah's will."
His incitement conviction came from saying "Looting passers-by and living on the taxes is the Somalis' national, perhaps even as a genetic characteristic.". He said that it was a parody of a newspaper article, which said that killing people when drunk is maybe a "national, perhaps even as a genetic characteristic" of the Finns (the people. Byt the way, the True Finns party also calls their parliamentary group "The Finns" in English, which is not considered so good thing by some people.).
Mr. Halla-aho wanted to demonstrate the inconsistency that you can say something bad about Finns without being prosecuted, but you can't say that of the Somalis.
We are grown up here in Sweden taught that other people than whites can't be racists and that you as a swed always have privilege and all the immigrants on school always got positive special treatment. If they said something that would get a normal pupil on enormous trouble the immigrants just got a "be quite" or "sit down".
In Sweden it's perfectly legal to say very bad things about christians and white heterosexual people. But if you just discuss facts like HIV-statistics and sexual preferences you can get in trouble with the law. The law against hate speech is very rubber-like and can easily get you if you say the wrong things about the wrong people.
Quote from: -PPT- on 23.12.2012, 20:00:38
Do you remember a party 20 years ago called Ny Demokrati? They were very anti-immigration in their rhetoric and in the TV-debates all other party-leaders walked out in a protest against such a racist party participating the election.
They got through the eelctoral threshold of 4% in 1991 but they were a one-term wonder. However, many of their policies have later been implemented by the later governments of Sweden.
Yes, I remember them. They destroyed a lot by being so stupid and red neck. The media of course attacked them like crazy. But when they got to power there were still much hope for Sweden... now... there is so little hope. In some elections time we will be like America, out numbered by minorities. Mitt Romney got 70% of the white votes, but about 90% of the minorities voted for Obama and the republicans will never win another federal election.
Asta Tuominen, foobar, Defend Finland!
Very interesting to hear your views and explanations for why SFP do what they to Finland, thank you! They surely also watch SVT and learn a lot from there how to destroy things ;)
But I see the point of a minority that thinks they will get better protection in a society with other minorities, that makes sense. It would be really nice to talk to these politicians in swedish and ask if they haven't learn anything from sweden, I newly read that Sweden has a bigger cost of school burnings than the whole of USA in absolute numbers.(http://fof.se/tidning/2012/7/svenska-skolor-brinner-mest)
It was very informative to know that the sweds were more % of the population earlier. Are the swedish minority in Finland growing or diminishing at the present?
By the way:
HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!
Quote from: Svensken on 24.12.2012, 11:25:47
It was very informative to know that the sweds were more % of the population earlier. Are the swedish minority in Finland growing or diminishing at the present?
I must correct my memory of their presence during early independence. Although at 17th century amount of Swedish speakers was around 16%, in 1910s it was down to around 11.5%. By the beginning of 1990s it was down to under 6%, and now it's under 5.4%, having had dropped around 0.02% or so more or less every year during past decade.
It is, though, important to note how vast majority of wealthy and powerful families still in the sixties were "Swedish", at least by their name. (This doesn't mean they all of them would have ever been Swedish-speaking, though - large portion of Finnish families had Swedish surname in past centuries, and primarily the Finnish language movement made them adopt a Finnish-language surname roughly between 19th and 20th century.) Drop on this prominence in this regard and as a "language of better folk" has been much faster than drop in population statistics.
Still, even efforts of SFP pushing immigrants to learn Swedish as their native tongue doesn't seem to be enough to stop the slow slide in statistics of their minority. Practically every Swedish speaker here is bilingual nowadays, often stronger in Finnish than "native" Swedish, and in a way it's understandable that they're concerned of their own culture. Some of their desperate actions may seem more sensible, if this background is taken into account.
One thing is important when speaking of Swedish-speaking Finns. They very rarely identify themselves as "Swedes", but precisely Swedish-speaking Finns. Åland islands may be an exception with strong attitudes towards Sweden and against Finland, but it's really an exception.
Quote from: Svensken on 24.12.2012, 11:03:23
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 23.12.2012, 20:01:24
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:46:57
Why was he comvicted?
Islam is a paedophilia religion because of the fact that Muhammed was a paedophile and he is the best example of how to live for all muslims. It's like 1+1=2.
Exactly. He got his blasphemy conviction by saying something like: "The Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile, and Islam is a religion sanctifying pedophilia, that is, a pedophile religion. Pedophilia is Allah's will."
His incitement conviction came from saying "Looting passers-by and living on the taxes is the Somalis' national, perhaps even as a genetic characteristic.". He said that it was a parody of a newspaper article, which said that killing people when drunk is maybe a "national, perhaps even as a genetic characteristic" of the Finns (the people. Byt the way, the True Finns party also calls their parliamentary group "The Finns" in English, which is not considered so good thing by some people.).
Mr. Halla-aho wanted to demonstrate the inconsistency that you can say something bad about Finns without being prosecuted, but you can't say that of the Somalis.
We are grown up here in Sweden taught that other people than whites can't be racists and that you as a swed always have privilege and all the immigrants on school always got positive special treatment. If they said something that would get a normal pupil on enormous trouble the immigrants just got a "be quite" or "sit down".
In Sweden it's perfectly legal to say very bad things about christians and white heterosexual people. But if you just discuss facts like HIV-statistics and sexual preferences you can get in trouble with the law. The law against hate speech is very rubber-like and can easily get you if you say the wrong things about the wrong people.
Finnish atittudes during and after last Swedish elections showed that there's a difference of general attitude between Finland and Sweden. Public expression of opinions against treatment of SD didn't come just from the margins and extremists, but also prominent people of wide acceptance. There certainly are forces at work that attempt to turn Finland into Sweden in its' political climate of freedom of speech, but also strong anti-authoritarian sentiment that tends to keep these forces at least in some amount in check, and common folk are not exactly afraid to express their opinions. Although consensus is maybe over-valued, it's not demanded. People not involved in politics rarely have to fear, at least realistically, that their differing opinions would put them in big trouble.
Through its' political history Finland has had multiple internal crises where independence- or law-threatening movements have grown particularly strong. Especially after the second world war, these (mostly far-left) movements have been tamed by taking them in democratic process, instead of denying them the access to politics. In general, majority of Finns would seem to think this is the right way to go, and the other way would cause bigger troubles than what it resolves.
People with keen capability of being "upset" by differing opinions may get excess amount of visibility in the press, but the common folk is more geared towards the direction that sees it problematic that every party would be alike. Finnish politicians know that Finns are quite hard to command "from above" in ways that smell even a bit of authoritarianism, and this has kept diversity in political climate more alive than it would seem - at least form here - regarding Swedish politics.
The surnames don't necessarily say it all. You must understand, that until 1880's all higher education & government was in Swedish, that was the "official language", so if you went to court, the law was in Swedish, the sentence was written down in Swedish... A law was passed in 1902 that actually gave the Finnish language the official status!
So back in the day, if you weren't too thick-skulled and pappa had pengar, you went to school and learned Swedish and Latin, and got an education. Also, as your name was something Simo Simonpoika you changed it to Simon Simonius... or you ended up in the army and were given name Simon Ganskäckligt or something of the sort. So that is how the surnames formed.... Jump then into the late 1800's and you get the "Fennoman" movement, so you get Aleksis Stenvall change his name to Aleksis Kivi. Hoplaa - national author. But you also had people speaking Swedish as their first language change their names, and people then with a Swedish name who spoke Finnish who didn't... theres a lot of families with brothers that have say Holmbro, Saarisilta, Saari, Saarinen as their names, as it wasn't anywhere uniform how you changed or if you changed your name. There were also two "fashion" movements, in the late 1880's by the "Fennomans" who were upper class, and then later on after the independence for the "common folk" - some of which had no surnames.
So then the language in the family... upper crust spoke of course Latin, French and Swedish, officials, anyone with a government job, anyone in service, Swedish. There was also a lot of working class, especially on the coast and industrial cities that spoke Swedish. But as people travelled more, there was more intermarriages, the language of the family was usually decided by which school and which mates the kids hung around with, and Finnish won out. Only in the 80's and 90's you got - along with allowing "dialects" in schools - the revival of Swedish language, to put the kids of mixed-language couples in Swedish schools.
Which then brings us back to the "better people" question, as if theres a Finnish school, and a Swedish school - the "cultural enrichment" usually ends up in the Finnish one. And as there isn't much if any "hairy-arsed metalworker" class left in the Swedish-speaking community, the parents are upper-middle-class almost by default.
^ The family from my father's side was known as Henriksson before they changed their name to Tuominen, just as Lemmy explains. Further down the history the family has been traced to Sigfrid Eerikinpoika which shows that the influence of the Swedish government was very strong, if not overwhelming, at times.
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin] on 23.12.2012, 16:31:20
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 16:20:26
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Vi har circus arkadia också. Så samma är här.
På vilket vis har ni det circus i Finland också?
Well, we got near 200 clown in our circus and they do stupider and stupider tricks for pension or just for better eu-jobs.
Say, more expensive ways for taxpayers to get their new EU-jobs, like pouring money to German and French banks that over financed PIGS. And most likelly they get only promises of the jobs, that will not hold eventually.
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 24.12.2012, 13:06:11
^ The family from my father's side was known as Henriksson before they changed their name to Tuominen, just as Lemmy explains. Further down the history the family has been traced to Sigfrid Eerikinpoika which shows that the influence of the Swedish government was very strong, if not overwhelming, at times.
True in many cases. But many Swedish speaking family has become Finnish speaking. My family lineage has Fanny, Carl Frederik, Emilia, Frederika etc. with swedish surnames to 1930-40;ties. Even origins of family can be tracked to Uppsala and the Netherlands/ Flanders.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:46:57
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 23.12.2012, 18:09:51
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 17:59:24
Mention this last thing about the blogger to give a picture of how sick the debate-climate is in the country.
It's really interesting to get a picture of politics in Finland.
Well, we Finns have a bit sick political climate, too. Some immigration criticists, such as Jussi Halla-aho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussi_Halla-aho) have been sentenced of blasphemy against Moslems or incitement to hatred.
But at least I think, that maybe Finland is to Sweden a little bit like Estonia is to Finland. Sorry for a bit off-topic, but I think our southern neighbor tolerates anti-immigration and nationalism much better than the Finnish establishment does.
Why was he comvicted?
Islam is a paedophilia religion because of the fact that Muhammed was a paedophile and he is the best example of how to live for all muslims. It's like 1+1=2.
Political reasons only. They tried to smere Halla-ahos public image. In the sentence were written, that the facts and logic are not a matter to reference in case of religion.. ;D Specially in case f islam. Wery similar claimes made Jesus and chirtian sect, that were not based in facts caused the procecutor general to withdraw and keep the case out of court. (Case veriryhma). It is clear double standard dealing with islam in reference other religions.
Halla-aho didn t make any significant champaining in Helsinki muncipal elections last fall, and was third most voted person chosen to municipal council (if I remember right). The plan of Kalske and Illman.. Backfired badly. :roll:
foobar:
Very interesting to learn about a part of history I did not know much about. Are the main economic power still in swedish-finns hands today? How important, if any, is "Svenska kulturfonden" in this power?
You also mentioned Åland, just how liberal is the island and how "swedenized" with attitudes and most important how "diversity" has it become?
It's really fascinating that you accepts political views in Finland, do you have groups like EXPO who gets millions to follow, attack and destroy the lives of people who lacks political correctness. There are also many indications that EXPO and SÄPO(The Swedish secret service) are working together. EXPO has for example gotten information about private peoples SMS-traffic and what people buys for books online.
Quote from: Lemmy on 24.12.2012, 12:57:53
Which then brings us back to the "better people" question, as if theres a Finnish school, and a Swedish school - the "cultural enrichment" usually ends up in the Finnish one.
Yeah well. Immigrant kids go to schools that are nearest to their housing in the suburban areas, and those schools
happen to be finnish-speaking. They don't travel to schools that are in the city centres or other "better" areas. There are both finnish- and swedish-speaking schools that have no immigrant students to speak of.
The language isn't really significant. These things are mostly social and geographical, just like everywhere else. Finland is no exception.
Lemmy, Asta Tuominen, P:
It's really interesting that there is some kind of sentiment by people that the swedish-finns are "Better people". SFP seems to have something to take care of when it comes to "racism". Why does not finnish news write about this double standard?
Jussi Halla-aho seems to be a very interesting person, really nice that he got the voters support. Good any way that you have a reality check in Finland that its legal to say the truth about Muhammed.
Isn't it true that it comes as a surprise to many Swedes when they learn that there is a Swedish-speaking minority in Finland?
Quote from: hkanime on 25.12.2012, 11:54:41
Hej Svensken,
Vad är din opinion gällande Svergiedemokraternas understöd bland medelsvensson? De officiella opinionsifrorna har ju trots olika "skandaler" stigit för SD men tror du att de reflekterar det riktiga understödet eller finns det ett dolt understöd som folk inte vill komma ut med?
I senaste riksdagsvalet i Finland fick ju vårt "protestparti" Perussuomalaiset, Sannfinländarna en mycket högre understöd i valet än vad den officiella opinionsmätningen visade. Tror du att samma fenomen kan hända för SD i de kommande valen?
Samma på finska:
Mikä on mielipiteesi koskien Ruotsindemokraattien tukea perusjärvisen keskuudessa? Viralliset kannatusluvut ovat nouseet huolimatta erilaisista "skandaaleista", mutta uskotko niiden kuvastavan oikeaa kannatusta vai onko olemassa piilokannatusta.
Viime eduskuntavaaleissa Suomessa "protestipuolueemme" Perussuomalaisethan saivat korkeamman kannatuksen vaaleissa kun viralliset kannatusmittaukset osoittivat.
Uskotko, että sama ilmiö on mahdollinen SD:lle tulevissa vaaleissa?
It's really hard to know how the general opinion looks like about SD because there it is a very dangerous thing to discuss publicly. You can lose a lot but win very little by stating "wrong opinions" in these questions. Likely SD could get aroun 15% in the next election. But 85% do not vote for them and the other parties really hates SD and would never have anything to do with them and "their anti-human and anti-democratic views"(Which reads: Saying that immigration is a problem).
The thing is that I do not really view Sweden as a real democracy. There is no free debate, the politicians do not respect the voters and you get very negative consequences for joining SD. You can lose you job, lots of friends(even relatives for many), get attacked in the media or even attacked physically on the streets or in your home. In some elections time there will be no chance for SD winning the majority of votes, which might be what is demanded for being able to halt immigration a little. Here is an article from Aftonbladet about a mother who has broken contact with her son because he told her he voted for SD: http://www.aftonbladet.se/wendela/relationer/article12565415.ab
Every year about 1% of the population is imported and next year the politicians hope for 2%(about 180.000) these people would never vote for SD. Even now the situation in Sweden is very bad and it will probably get worse for each year. In ten years time there will be about 10% more immigrants (and with their children maby 3% more) and then we will have about 35-40% immigrants in Sweden.(Here is a good interactive map for the past and future http://statistics.heliohost.org/prognos2050/ )
If you put this large number part together with the fact that the majority of sweds are totally brainwashed there is little chance for a change in the future. I even know guys who been beaten and girls who have been raped two or three times by immigrants that still love multiculturalism and would never dream of voting SD.
Quote from: -PPT- on 25.12.2012, 12:32:06
Isn't it true that it comes as a surprise to many Swedes when they learn that there is a Swedish-speaking minority in Finland?
Yes, the majority have very little knowledge about this, they maybe know about Åland because the "Finlandsfärjan" stops there.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 12:13:42
It's really interesting that there is some kind of sentiment by people that the swedish-finns are "Better people".
That's an old illusion. The Swedish-speaking Finns in Ostrobothnia are just as dumb redneck hicks as their Finnish-speaking counterparts.
Basically the Finns just have a notoriously low self-esteem. They are themselves better than they think, but they always like to feel small and poor despite having pretty much the best living standard in the world... :)
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 11:23:27
It's really fascinating that you accepts political views in Finland, do you have groups like EXPO who gets millions to follow, attack and destroy the lives of people who lacks political correctness.
I don't know what EXPO is but I have learnt that there are at least two ways of trying to quiet people with "wrong opinions" down:
1. Ridiculing and tarnishing their image.
2. Censorship.
I was a candidate for the Change 2011 party in October's municipal election. Many candidates were identified as nazis, fascists or rasists (naturally by an unknown source that you cannot communicate with) and they were made public at this website, me included:
http://kunnollisvaalit-2012.blogspot.fi/
I was condemned as racist because I am openly against the lose refugee policy practiced by the Finnish government.
The other way to manage "free thinkers" is not letting them air their opinions freely. Just yesterday I was banned from a well-known, newspaper-owned forum in Finland, Uusi Suomi. I had previosly gotten two warnings against breaking the forum rules with my blog postings, and yesterday I was banned permanently for posting a law initiative there.
The law initiative suggests that we stop paying money for humanitarian refugees; it is enough to take care of their basic needs without giving them money. We have just now started collecting supporter names and if we get the required 50000 signatures within the next six months, the government has to decide on the issue.
https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/fi/aloite/42
I am the legal representative of the initiative.
What I "fight" against is the deterioration of values in Finland: inequality and positive discrimination, not listening to the people, bailouts that are against the Lisbon treaty, CEAS and so forth. My "sword" is the truth, openness and transparency. I am writing with my real name and being as authentic as I possibly can. It is very difficult to "attack" a person who has already shown the world the skeletons in their closet.
SFP is one of the strongest organisations in Finland to guide and support the deterioration of our nation. I consider it my duty to expose the "secret agenda", that is the dual standards prevailing, and make people wake up to what's going on. By being truthful, honest and transparent that might be established. And if not, at least we tried.
I think the northern nations should find a way to join forces to keep our Nordic cultures alive.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 12:13:42
Why does not finnish news write about this double standard?
My answer is: 1984.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 11:33:15
Alltså svenska är ju såklart bäst, men jag tänkte att det var större chans att man ville prata engelska på det här forumet. Vill en majoritet att jag hellre skriver på svenska så är detta inget som helst problem.
In english, please. Vi kan skriva (some of us) litet svenska, men engelska är bättre. And welcome to Hommaforum! :)
I feel so pity for you swedish people nowadays, it must be terrible to live there in Sweden among minarets and äbäläwäbälä.
I wonder what's wrong with swedish people; why do you want to destroy your own beautiful country?
As it is Christmas now, the Finnish television shows Astrid Lindgren's Emil i Lönneberga movies on TV, and I'm watching Emil with my child and missing old swedish culture that's gone. :( :'(
Quote from: Everyman on 25.12.2012, 12:53:20
Basically the Finns just have a notoriously low self-esteem.
I have to disagree with that. :)
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 11:23:27
foobar:
Very interesting to learn about a part of history I did not know much about. Are the main economic power still in swedish-finns hands today? How important, if any, is "Svenska kulturfonden" in this power?
I believe there is no party with more powerful and financially equipped lobby than SFP, and foundations like Svenska kulturfonden are basis of that lobby. These lobbies are not only making life safe for those that want to take all-SFP stance among Swedish speakers, but also back Finnish speaking politicians on major parties to run their cause. It's strange how for instance the ex prime minister Paavo Lipponen sees cause of Swedish speaking minority as more or less his primary interest in the politics. After all, he's a social democrat with no "blood ties" to Swedish speakers. While many of the major parties have been pretty close to bankruptcy, SFP has seemed to not see such problems. At least some claims exist that they effectively sponsor campaigns of SFP-friendly parties to some extent, and so keep them - each party more than fivefold in size in comparison to SFP - loyal to them.
These statements have to be taken with a grain of salt, though. It is not very clear in the public how much SFP and foundations closely connected to it play this kind of a game, but I'd still say they do have strong influence - which they wouldn't like to be entirely public.
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You also mentioned Åland, just how liberal is the island and how "swedenized" with attitudes and most important how "diversity" has it become?
Ålanders have relatively strong ties towards Sweden (their current parliamentary representative has born in Sweden), but it's a bit strange setup otherwise. Many of them don't want to be related to Finland in any way, but they probably wouldn't want to be "just Swedes" living in "regular Sweden" even if they managed to somehow get rid of Finland. They want to be special. In that way, I have my suspicions how wholeheartedly they would be ready to commit policies such as Swedish immigration policy.
Immigration in Åland is not the kind of immigration SFP promotes in public in Finland. Also, technically Åland doesn't have SFP but its' own parties as autonomous region, but traditionally parliamentary representative of Åland has sat with SFP in the parliament.
Yet, you have to notice an interesting attitude among SFP and also Ålanders towards immigration; their talking heads seem to favor open doors policy that would let almost anyone in, but don't publicly disclose that it definitely shouldn't occur in their neigborhood. In their neighborhood, they want some quality from immigration. At least very recently, Åland had not a single somali immigrant, and immigration centers seem to magically avoid being placed on middle of Swedish-speaking regions, even when SFP strongly favors *any* kind of immigration.
SFP would want to train these immigrants to be Swedish speakers - which is a bit odd. Not speaking Finnish (nor English!) puts one in pretty weak position in Finland even if it's technically a bilingual country. It would "improve" statistics for Swedish speakers, but it would also make the immigrants very weak in the job market, dependent on the grace of other Swedish speakers. For some sectors like greenhouse farming, weak low-wage employees would be actually a benefit to SFP supporters. (These success-stories-turned-immigrant-abuse have been even shown on TV.) In some ways SFP probably trusts on others paying the bill with those they don't want to employ; since all services have to be bilingual and immigrant-gravitating regions (mostly Helsinki, Turku and Tampere) are regions of Finnish majority nowadays, they could just wait their failed "Swedish speaking" immigrants to move there, when they're unemployed. It wouldn't be their problem any more.
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It's really fascinating that you accepts political views in Finland, do you have groups like EXPO who gets millions to follow, attack and destroy the lives of people who lacks political correctness. There are also many indications that EXPO and SÄPO(The Swedish secret service) are working together. EXPO has for example gotten information about private peoples SMS-traffic and what people buys for books online.
High-profile politicians in Perussuomalaiset have been under legal inquiry since the immigration policy critical movement gained strength, but results have been almost laughably weak, like fines of couple hundred euros. This is probably because previous president was very strong pushing people with unbelievably totalitarian-leftist attitudes in strong positions, but all of that couldn't have happened without acceptance by majority of ruling parties. Yet, situation in Finland seems to be dramatically better than in Sweden, and common folk has pretty strong freedom of opinion in practice.
I do have a less flattering theory why this is so, though: this political climate works since immigration is not the five-ton elephant in the room. It's just a 100 kg baby elephant. People can really think of doing things without taking the elephant into account on their every move, almost controlling all that they would do. There are situations where blaming immigration can be called to be rightfully off-topic. It would seem that margins for that are gone in Sweden, and reality-based speech has become impossibly hard to accept on political circles. After all, could a whole society choose wrong for decades and decades? "Surely not."
And last but not the least: these are my personal opinions, and I believe in every aspect I've written there's considerable leeway, even for writers on this forum. The funny part about politics is that people have differing opinions which may all be equally good even if they conflict. We just have to accept it, if we want to maintain an open-ended society. Maybe it's best not to have factually misinformed opinions (I bet I'm not perfect, but who is), but every subject should be open to debate, and open to policymaking through democratic representation. Fortunately that works at least to some extent in Finland.
Quote from: Everyman on 25.12.2012, 12:53:20
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 12:13:42
It's really interesting that there is some kind of sentiment by people that the swedish-finns are "Better people".
That's an old illusion. The Swedish-speaking Finns in Ostrobothnia are just as dumb redneck hicks as their Finnish-speaking counterparts.
Basically the Finns just have a notoriously low self-esteem. They are themselves better than they think, but they always like to feel small and poor despite having pretty much the best living standard in the world... :)
How can you have a low self-esteem?
You survived a civil war, survived a war with Soviet Union and your country was one of the three in Europe that was not occupied(together with Britain and Soviet). You after that paid your war debt to the soviets on in scheduled time. After that you handled this dangerous neighbour you build up your country to be one of the riches in the world and now after all you are world leading in so many ways and one of the most important way is corruption. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index)
You are surely one of the best country and people in the world, how can you be so humble in front of your own superbness?
(This humbleness only makes you even better ;) )
1. What kind of you think Sweden will be in year 2100
2.Who do you think is behind all this multiculturalism hype- in Sweden.
3.What do you think about this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg) ?
Quote from: Emo on 25.12.2012, 13:05:30
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 11:33:15
Alltså svenska är ju såklart bäst, men jag tänkte att det var större chans att man ville prata engelska på det här forumet. Vill en majoritet att jag hellre skriver på svenska så är detta inget som helst problem.
In english, please. Vi kan skriva (some of us) litet svenska, men engelska är bättre. And welcome to Hommaforum! :)
I feel so pity for you swedish people nowadays, it must be terrible to live there in Sweden among minarets and äbäläwäbälä.
I wonder what's wrong with swedish people; why do you want to destroy your own beautiful country?
As it is Christmas now, the Finnish television shows Astrid Lindgren's Emil i Lönneberga movies on TV, and I'm watching Emil with my child and missing old swedish culture that's gone. :( :'(
Thanks, it's nice to know that there are people who cares about our situation...
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 25.12.2012, 13:03:06
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 11:23:27
It's really fascinating that you accepts political views in Finland, do you have groups like EXPO who gets millions to follow, attack and destroy the lives of people who lacks political correctness.
I don't know what EXPO is but I have learnt that there are at least two ways of trying to quiet people with "wrong opinions" down:
1. Ridiculing and tarnishing their image.
2. Censorship.
I was a candidate for the Change 2011 party in October's municipal election. Many candidates were identified as nazis, fascists or rasists (naturally by an unknown source that you cannot communicate with) and they were made public at this website, me included:
http://kunnollisvaalit-2012.blogspot.fi/
I was condemned as racist because I am openly against the lose refugee policy practiced by the Finnish government.
The other way to manage "free thinkers" is not letting them air their opinions freely. Just yesterday I was banned from a well-known, newspaper-owned forum in Finland, Uusi Suomi. I had previosly gotten two warnings against breaking the forum rules with my blog postings, and yesterday I was banned permanently for posting a law initiative there.
The law initiative suggests that we stop paying money for humanitarian refugees; it is enough to take care of their basic needs without giving them money. We have just now started collecting supporter names and if we get the required 50000 signatures within the next six months, the government has to decide on the issue.
https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/fi/aloite/42
I am the legal representative of the initiative.
What I "fight" against is the deterioration of values in Finland: inequality and positive discrimination, not listening to the people, bailouts that are against the Lisbon treaty, CEAS and so forth. My "sword" is the truth, openness and transparency. I am writing with my real name and being as authentic as I possibly can. It is very difficult to "attack" a person who has already shown the world the skeletons in their closet.
SFP is one of the strongest organisations in Finland to guide and support the deterioration of our nation. I consider it my duty to expose the "secret agenda", that is the dual standards prevailing, and make people wake up to what's going on. By being truthful, honest and transparent that might be established. And if not, at least we tried.
I think the northern nations should find a way to join forces to keep our Nordic cultures alive.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 12:13:42
Why does not finnish news write about this double standard?
My answer is: 1984.
EXPO is a foundation that keeps track of all immigration-critics in Sweden and does their best to discredit them. They are very rich because of loads of donations and money they receive from Stieg Larssons million selling books. He was one of the founder but he died some years ago. As I said there is many things pointing to the fact that they likely are in collaboration with SÄPO (The swedish secret service). I know this sounds crazy, but please visit Sweden and investigate this for your self, Sweden is very crazy now days.
The blogg you link to looks like the mildest form of attacks you can get in Sweden. Have people on the blogg received any death threats, lost their jobs or getting any kind of beating, burnings or other damage?
Join the nordic countries, you want to join with sweden for real?
Quote from: matkamiehiii on 25.12.2012, 13:08:32
1. What kind of you think Sweden will be in year 2100
2.Who do you think is behind all this multiculturalism hype- in Sweden.
3.What do you think about this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg) ?
1. Gangsterland, play GTA and modern warfare and you get a good picture.
2. It's a cool thing to love multiculturalism. Its demanded if you are a teacher, priest or have any other kind of public employment. The media and schools daily promote this issue in a massive way and if you want to get benefits in Sweden today or advance in many places you need your amount of PC-worship.
3. Very stupid of them, jews in mamlö gets attacked all the time and there has even been a bomb out side the synagogue there. Malmö is the most multicultural city in Sweden with about 30-50% immigrants right now. They sounds like normal sweds who blindly wants more multiculturalism even though them selves gets attacked on a daily basis. Sad to see, really.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 13:43:33
Join the nordic countries, you want to join with sweden for real?
Union makes force. :)
We have a long history together and I would love to continue it, together. I don't believe it for a second that our nations would willingly transform into a blended society where the highest values are rootlessness, greed and positive discrimination without justice, freedom of speech and true democrary.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 13:43:33
The blogg you link to looks like the mildest form of attacks you can get in Sweden. Have people on the blogg received any death threats, lost their jobs or getting any kind of beating, burnings or other damage?
When I joined the Change 2011 party a tire of my car was punctured with a knife. I know that some candidates withdrew their candidacy because of the Kunnollisvaalit blog. I think the common fear that prevents people from coming out of the closet with their own names, faces and opinions is to lose their jobs, businesses and the standard of living that they currently maintain. We should somehow find a way to cross this barrier of fear, and every person who does that is worth their weight in diamonds for our shared future.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 13:42:52
Thanks, it's nice to know that there are people who cares about our situation...
I do care. I know personally many swedish people, some of them are of finnish origin and some are native swedish (no immigrant background). Some are still living in Sweden, and some of them have moved to Finland. I even know native swedish persons (with NO FINNISH ROOTS) that have moved to Finland!!
The situation of your country is soon also our situation, if nothing is to be done. And naturally I'm also worried about swedish people, I'm christian and I'm sentimental woman. :D
Is that friend of yours who told you to write to Homma, is that friend of finnish backgroud?
Svensken, is this the EXPO that you are referring to:
http://expo.se/2010/about-expo_3514.html
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We have an excellent website here in Finland that follows mainly what is happening in the Nordic Countries, Sikolätti:
http://rahmispossu.net/
It is one of the reasons why we know so much about what is happening around us, especially in Sweden.
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 25.12.2012, 14:13:55
Svensken, is this the EXPO that you are referring to:
http://expo.se/2010/about-expo_3514.html
Spot on!
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 13:08:25
How can you have a low self-esteem?
You survived a civil war, survived a war with Soviet Union and your country was one of the three in Europe that was not occupied(together with Britain and Soviet). You after that paid your war debt to the soviets on in scheduled time. After that you handled this dangerous neighbour you build up your country to be one of the riches in the world and now after all you are world leading in so many ways and one of the most important way is corruption. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index)
You are surely one of the best country and people in the world, how can you be so humble in front of your own superbness?
(This humbleness only makes you even better ;) )
Yeah but we've lost to Sweden in ice hockey so many times. :D
Quote from: foobar on 25.12.2012, 13:08:19
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 11:23:27
foobar:
Very interesting to learn about a part of history I did not know much about. Are the main economic power still in swedish-finns hands today? How important, if any, is "Svenska kulturfonden" in this power?
I believe there is no party with more powerful and financially equipped lobby than SFP, and foundations like Svenska kulturfonden are basis of that lobby. These lobbies are not only making life safe for those that want to take all-SFP stance among Swedish speakers, but also back Finnish speaking politicians on major parties to run their cause. It's strange how for instance the ex prime minister Paavo Lipponen sees cause of Swedish speaking minority as more or less his primary interest in the politics. After all, he's a social democrat with no "blood ties" to Swedish speakers. While many of the major parties have been pretty close to bankruptcy, SFP has seemed to not see such problems. At least some claims exist that they effectively sponsor campaigns of SFP-friendly parties to some extent, and so keep them - each party more than fivefold in size in comparison to SFP - loyal to them.
These statements have to be taken with a grain of salt, though. It is not very clear in the public how much SFP and foundations closely connected to it play this kind of a game, but I'd still say they do have strong influence - which they wouldn't like to be entirely public.
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You also mentioned Åland, just how liberal is the island and how "swedenized" with attitudes and most important how "diversity" has it become?
Ålanders have relatively strong ties towards Sweden (their current parliamentary representative has born in Sweden), but it's a bit strange setup otherwise. Many of them don't want to be related to Finland in any way, but they probably wouldn't want to be "just Swedes" living in "regular Sweden" even if they managed to somehow get rid of Finland. They want to be special. In that way, I have my suspicions how wholeheartedly they would be ready to commit policies such as Swedish immigration policy.
Immigration in Åland is not the kind of immigration SFP promotes in public in Finland. Also, technically Åland doesn't have SFP but its' own parties as autonomous region, but traditionally parliamentary representative of Åland has sat with SFP in the parliament.
Yet, you have to notice an interesting attitude among SFP and also Ålanders towards immigration; their talking heads seem to favor open doors policy that would let almost anyone in, but don't publicly disclose that it definitely shouldn't occur in their neigborhood. In their neighborhood, they want some quality from immigration. At least very recently, Åland had not a single somali immigrant, and immigration centers seem to magically avoid being placed on middle of Swedish-speaking regions, even when SFP strongly favors *any* kind of immigration.
SFP would want to train these immigrants to be Swedish speakers - which is a bit odd. Not speaking Finnish (nor English!) puts one in pretty weak position in Finland even if it's technically a bilingual country. It would "improve" statistics for Swedish speakers, but it would also make the immigrants very weak in the job market, dependent on the grace of other Swedish speakers. For some sectors like greenhouse farming, weak low-wage employees would be actually a benefit to SFP supporters. (These success-stories-turned-immigrant-abuse have been even shown on TV.) In some ways SFP probably trusts on others paying the bill with those they don't want to employ; since all services have to be bilingual and immigrant-gravitating regions (mostly Helsinki, Turku and Tampere) are regions of Finnish majority nowadays, they could just wait their failed "Swedish speaking" immigrants to move there, when they're unemployed. It wouldn't be their problem any more.
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It's really fascinating that you accepts political views in Finland, do you have groups like EXPO who gets millions to follow, attack and destroy the lives of people who lacks political correctness. There are also many indications that EXPO and SÄPO(The Swedish secret service) are working together. EXPO has for example gotten information about private peoples SMS-traffic and what people buys for books online.
High-profile politicians in Perussuomalaiset have been under legal inquiry since the immigration policy critical movement gained strength, but results have been almost laughably weak, like fines of couple hundred euros. This is probably because previous president was very strong pushing people with unbelievably totalitarian-leftist attitudes in strong positions, but all of that couldn't have happened without acceptance by majority of ruling parties. Yet, situation in Finland seems to be dramatically better than in Sweden, and common folk has pretty strong freedom of opinion in practice.
I do have a less flattering theory why this is so, though: this political climate works since immigration is not the five-ton elephant in the room. It's just a 100 kg baby elephant. People can really think of doing things without taking the elephant into account on their every move, almost controlling all that they would do. There are situations where blaming immigration can be called to be rightfully off-topic. It would seem that margins for that are gone in Sweden, and reality-based speech has become impossibly hard to accept on political circles. After all, could a whole society choose wrong for decades and decades? "Surely not."
And last but not the least: these are my personal opinions, and I believe in every aspect I've written there's considerable leeway, even for writers on this forum. The funny part about politics is that people have differing opinions which may all be equally good even if they conflict. We just have to accept it, if we want to maintain an open-ended society. Maybe it's best not to have factually misinformed opinions (I bet I'm not perfect, but who is), but every subject should be open to debate, and open to policymaking through democratic representation. Fortunately that works at least to some extent in Finland.
Extremely interesting about SFP and other parts of the politics.
Concerning Åland, I think I will take a look and get off next time I go with "Finlandsfärjan". Would be really interesting to know what the sentiment on Ålands is towards the Swedish self destruction.
It's really good that the attacks on PS politicians have not paid off, in Sweden it always pays of. People are always taking back statements and leave their posts when there is for example a wrong word said. I understand them, you would never want to be public about these opinions in Sweden. Then your a "racist" and they can be injured badly or even killed without people even caring. Swedish schools are careful in teaching the students that fighting "racism" is like fighting hitler and mass murder.
Our prime minister Fredrick Reinfeldt during the last election said that "People who have things to do with Sweden Democrats can expect to get attacked in their homes and get badly injured." This was said in connection to an claimed attack against a Sweden Democrat where he was stabbed in his head.
Hi Svensken, thank you for writing in this forum. I am Eino, living southern Finland in Kerava.
It saddens me a great deal to see the situation in Sweden, really. You see, for me Sweden has always been an admirable country and swedish people are without doubt among the most advanced ethnic groups in the whole world: you are innovative, intelligent, kind, fun loving, humane, talented and creative. The country you have built and created has been one of the best places on this planet and so it shocks me to see that your fellow citizens and politicians are ready to destroy it all within a generation or two. Losing traditional Sweden and it's culture is a terrible loss for all mankind. I cannot understand why something so great and beautiful must be turned into a living hell plagued with gangster morals, corruption, gang rapers, ghettos, ethnic violence and racism towards swedish people.
Maybe someday in the future ethnic swedes, finns, norwegians and danes create together a new Northern Paradise cherishing their own culture and values, living together in peace without the violence, chaos and poverty so embodied in many exotic cultures and traditions.
Quote from: Everyman on 25.12.2012, 14:22:43
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 13:08:25
How can you have a low self-esteem?
You survived a civil war, survived a war with Soviet Union and your country was one of the three in Europe that was not occupied(together with Britain and Soviet). You after that paid your war debt to the soviets on in scheduled time. After that you handled this dangerous neighbour you build up your country to be one of the riches in the world and now after all you are world leading in so many ways and one of the most important way is corruption. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index)
You are surely one of the best country and people in the world, how can you be so humble in front of your own superbness?
(This humbleness only makes you even better ;) )
Yeah but we've lost to Sweden in ice hockey so many times. :D
6-1 ;)
Asta Tuominen:
Sweden is not much to for a union with I am afraid...
The car thing was more like Sweden, I understand this could scare people. And if they even fear losing their jobs we are talking the similar amount of oppression. But what is the difference between you and PS? I mean are they any reason for the crazy people to get more crazy over you, or is it just that you are a smaller group that more easily can be attacked?
Quote from: Emo on 25.12.2012, 14:05:02
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 13:42:52
Thanks, it's nice to know that there are people who cares about our situation...
I do care. I know personally many swedish people, some of them are of finnish origin and some are native swedish (no immigrant background). Some are still living in Sweden, and some of them have moved to Finland. I even know native swedish persons (with NO FINNISH ROOTS) that have moved to Finland!!
The situation of your country is soon also our situation, if nothing is to be done. And naturally I'm also worried about swedish people, I'm christian and I'm sentimental woman. :D
Is that friend of yours who told you to write to Homma, is that friend of finnish backgroud?
Very impressing with sweds moving to Finland, because of my work and my friends and relatives in Sweden I think this would be very hard for me. But I might come visit you, and when things start burning for real maybe Ålandcould could be thinkable.
My friend is finnish :)
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 14:42:56
But what is the difference between you and PS? I mean are they any reason for the crazy people to get more crazy over you, or is it just that you are a smaller group that more easily can be attacked?
We are a small group but like I said earlier, energetic! :)
PS promotes conservative values, we promote three things:
1. Direct democracy
2. Freedom of speech
3. Protecting the national interests of Finns
The third point includes our goal to change the current refugee policy to a more tightly controlled one which makes us a natural enemy to anyone with a pro-immigration agenda. Other parties don't state their goal as clearly as we do.
And once we have direct democracy in place (i.e. referendums that bind decision-makers), there is no need for item three at all - the nation will be able to decide for itself.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 14:42:27
6-1 ;)
MM 2011 Suomi - Ruotsi Maalikooste (Den Glider In)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E0eb5MPVrA
Jag besökte Sverige i Maj 2011 och jag sade till några svensker då att nu måste jag skynda mig eftersom jag vill vara hemma i Finland och se på TV Sverige-Finland ishockey final på kvällen. Jag berättade till dem också att FINLAND SKA VINNA IGEN!
De trodde inte på mig att Finland ska vinna, men jag sade att kom ihåg vad jag har sagt på kvällen när du ser att Finland är världsmästare!! ;D Jag hade en stark känsla att vi ska vinna!
1995 Ice Hockey World Championship Final (Sweden - Finland 1-4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laqGlKQE8VY
:flowerhat: Fårlot mig jag är nationalistisk! :flowerhat:
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 13:08:25
You survived a civil war, survived a war with Soviet Union and your country was one of the three in Europe that was not occupied(together with Britain and Soviet).
Actually Finland was occupied by russians. After the war, we handed over land areas for military bases like Estonia did (which eventually led to loss of their independence completely). Peninsula of Porkkala had heavy artillery that could reach Helsinki downtown. Hanko was occupied by russians. Hotel Torni had monitoring comission that influenced everything.
After getting military bases, soviet union influenced finnish politics with financial support for commies and eventually turned into socialistic country, sort of oblast of USSR, which it still is even it fell down 20 years ago. Finland and Estonia like other young countries had real right-wing movements before the war but they were banned after it. Estonia got full load of itself and has been able to process all that after the collapse, Finland is still under 'finlandization' towards russia and for example - haven't been able to process the infamous name list of Tiitinen, its ex DDR agents, most of the times bends over when russia says so. (gas pipe, etc, etc)
Nowdays finns are so screwed in their heads that they call left-wing True finns as a 'right wing' political movement, which is understandable when you observe your surrondings even deeper remnants of soviet union. Finnish 'right-wing' NCP increases budget deficit worse than socialists ever did. Everything is more or less upside down.
Anyway, what kind democratic independence it would be while your parliament building is inside enemy's artillery range?
No, finland did not win the war, we did not keep our sovereignty, we were occupied - and worst, lost something very valuable that cannot be counted in territory nor money.
On topic, big thanks to your insight of Swedish situation, one of the best topics at this site ever.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 14:44:08
Very impressing with sweds moving to Finland, because of my work and my friends and relatives in Sweden I think this would be very hard for me. But I might come visit you, and when things start burning for real maybe Ålandcould could be thinkable.
They have moved here because of love/marriage. Not for asylum, yet.
Quote from: foobar on 23.12.2012, 20:21:33
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:48:36
Why is Swedish peoples party so pro mass immigration?
............
In general, SFP is laser-gazed single-focus party. If something benefits Swedish speaking minority, to hell with thought how it affects
Well you nailed it there. In normal sosioeconomical issuses SFP is an ideological vacuum.
They are ready to compromise on any other issue as far as their agenda -language issues and regional interests of coastal municipalities - are handled their way. This makes them an attractive supporting cabinet member for any of the dominant parties. As SFP is allways ready to horse trade.
And since recently our political system has been dominated by aging '68-generation "pink liberal hippies", SFP is now singing their songs.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 13:08:25
How can you have a low self-esteem? ...
You are surely one of the best country and people in the world, how can you be so humble in front of your own superbness?
(This humbleness only makes you even better ;) )
That is the whole point.
It is just good manners: The host belittles his catering and the guest is expected to counter with praise.
You play our game well ;)
In Swedish elections there is this system where you must publicly pick up ballot paper belonging to each party or name list. How is this really working concerning vote secrecy? Case: If an elementary school teacher votes for SD with party ballot in a small liberal town, how quickly the rumor spreads?
I would see this a normal procedure of voting in some African dictatorships, but I think they have just not heard yet of this Swedish innovation..
In Finnish culture, where neighbor's privacy is much appreciated, this just couldn't be tolerated (less people would go voting, at least I wouldn't). I just wonder..shouldn't there be a huge movement in Sweden to abolish this kind of bizarre election system, in the haven of democracy.?
I heard there is a blank ballot also to select, but I can think that in a small town causes suspicion as well..
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 14:23:45
Our prime minister Fredrick Reinfeldt during the last election said that "People who have things to do with Sweden Democrats can expect to get attacked in their homes and get badly injured." This was said in connection to an claimed attack against a Sweden Democrat where he was stabbed in his head.
That statement wouldn't go down easily in Finland. Ministerial position in strong majority government might be maintained after such a comment (especially if it comes from strong prime minister), but it would be real weight to any politician in Finland. For lesser politicians, it would probably ruin any chances of upward mainstream political career.
This doesn't mean that Finnish politics wouldn't be full of situations where close to unforgivable occurrences are forgiven for opportunistic reasons and minor issues are blown out of proportion, but as far as my opinion on local political climate holds, majority of Finns strongly value fulfillment of individual rights (=no need to fear) no matter what political opinion one does have. Those that differ in this regard are seen as extremists, not the ones that want even their "enemies" to have rights.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 25.12.2012, 14:25:16
Hi Svensken, thank you for writing in this forum. I am Eino, living southern Finland in Kerava.
It saddens me a great deal to see the situation in Sweden, really. You see, for me Sweden has always been an admirable country and swedish people are without doubt among the most advanced ethnic groups in the whole world: you are innovative, intelligent, kind, fun loving, humane, talented and creative. The country you have built and created has been one of the best places on this planet and so it shocks me to see that your fellow citizens and politicians are ready to destroy it all within a generation or two. Losing traditional Sweden and it's culture is a terrible loss for all mankind. I cannot understand why something so great and beautiful must be turned into a living hell plagued with gangster morals, corruption, gang rapers, ghettos, ethnic violence and racism towards swedish people.
Maybe someday in the future ethnic swedes, finns, norwegians and danes create together a new Northern Paradise cherishing their own culture and values, living together in peace without the violence, chaos and poverty so embodied in many exotic cultures and traditions.
It warms a lot to her that you people on the safe side of the sea seems to care so much. I would have no problem with a Nordic Union, but it seems more far away now than ever. I think you should really focus on Finland. You are the only western country that have not been hit as hard as the rest of us with mass immigration and political oppression, that is worth to remark and to be happy for. But you have to care, make others care and really put up a good fight.
For if you do not win there might be a Nordic Union after all, the "Nordic Gangland" or maybe "Al Scandi"...
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 25.12.2012, 14:52:30
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 14:42:56
But what is the difference between you and PS? I mean are they any reason for the crazy people to get more crazy over you, or is it just that you are a smaller group that more easily can be attacked?
We are a small group but like I said earlier, energetic! :)
PS promotes conservative values, we promote three things:
1. Direct democracy
2. Freedom of speech
3. Protecting the national interests of Finns
The third point includes our goal to change the current refugee policy to a more tightly controlled one which makes us a natural enemy to anyone with a pro-immigration agenda. Other parties don't state their goal as clearly as we do.
And once we have direct democracy in place (i.e. referendums that bind decision-makers), there is no need for item three at all - the nation will be able to decide for itself.
I wish you the best of luck in your political work! :)
^ Never give up, never surrender. :-*
Quote from: Tuju on 25.12.2012, 15:39:16
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 13:08:25
You survived a civil war, survived a war with Soviet Union and your country was one of the three in Europe that was not occupied(together with Britain and Soviet).
Actually Finland was occupied by russians. After the war, we handed over land areas for military bases like Estonia did (which eventually led to loss of their independence completely). Peninsula of Porkkala had heavy artillery that could reach Helsinki downtown. Hanko was occupied by russians. Hotel Torni had monitoring comission that influenced everything.
After getting military bases, soviet union influenced finnish politics with financial support for commies and eventually turned into socialistic country, sort of oblast of USSR, which it still is even it fell down 20 years ago. Finland and Estonia like other young countries had real right-wing movements before the war but they were banned after it. Estonia got full load of itself and has been able to process all that after the collapse, Finland is still under 'finlandization' towards russia and for example - haven't been able to process the infamous name list of Tiitinen, its ex DDR agents, most of the times bends over when russia says so. (gas pipe, etc, etc)
Nowdays finns are so screwed in their heads that they call left-wing True finns as a 'right wing' political movement, which is understandable when you observe your surrondings even deeper remnants of soviet union. Finnish 'right-wing' NCP increases budget deficit worse than socialists ever did. Everything is more or less upside down.
Anyway, what kind democratic independence it would be while your parliament building is inside enemy's artillery range?
No, finland did not win the war, we did not keep our sovereignty, we were occupied - and worst, lost something very valuable that cannot be counted in territory nor money.
On topic, big thanks to your insight of Swedish situation, one of the best topics at this site ever.
You might be right in some ways, but you got away from full occupation which was what I meant. You did not get NKVD-groupd killing all officers and anti-communists. Your situation beside Stalins expansionist Soviet that was a quite hard but ok price to pay. You got the better end of it compared to the Baltics, Poland, South East Europe and Germany.
I am really sad that we did not help you out in the war.
I thank you a lot for your kind words or my postings. I can't my self say anything though I don't understand the rest of the forum, but I take your word for it ;)
Quote from: rapa-nuiv on 25.12.2012, 16:03:08
Quote from: foobar on 23.12.2012, 20:21:33
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:48:36
Why is Swedish peoples party so pro mass immigration?
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In general, SFP is laser-gazed single-focus party. If something benefits Swedish speaking minority, to hell with thought how it affects
Well you nailed it there. In normal sosioeconomical issuses SFP is an ideological vacuum.
They are ready to compromise on any other issue as far as their agenda -language issues and regional interests of coastal municipalities - are handled their way. This makes them an attractive supporting cabinet member for any of the dominant parties. As SFP is allways ready to horse trade.
And since recently our political system has been dominated by aging '68-generation "pink liberal hippies", SFP is now singing their songs.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 13:08:25
How can you have a low self-esteem? ...
You are surely one of the best country and people in the world, how can you be so humble in front of your own superbness?
(This humbleness only makes you even better ;) )
That is the whole point.
It is just good manners: The host belittles his catering and the guest is expected to counter with praise.
You play our game well ;)
SFP seems like an enigma for further studies.
I thank you for the compliment on my manners :)
Quote from: foobar on 25.12.2012, 16:30:08
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 14:23:45
Our prime minister Fredrick Reinfeldt during the last election said that "People who have things to do with Sweden Democrats can expect to get attacked in their homes and get badly injured." This was said in connection to an claimed attack against a Sweden Democrat where he was stabbed in his head.
That statement wouldn't go down easily in Finland. Ministerial position in strong majority government might be maintained after such a comment (especially if it comes from strong prime minister), but it would be real weight to any politician in Finland. For lesser politicians, it would probably ruin any chances of upward mainstream political career.
This doesn't mean that Finnish politics wouldn't be full of situations where close to unforgivable occurrences are forgiven for opportunistic reasons and minor issues are blown out of proportion, but as far as my opinion on local political climate holds, majority of Finns strongly value fulfillment of individual rights (=no need to fear) no matter what political opinion one does have. Those that differ in this regard are seen as extremists, not the ones that want even their "enemies" to have rights.
There were no political or medial consequentness for mr Reinfeldt concerning his statement. The SD were sad and angry of course, but they have known from the beginning that they are not seen as humans. They are and have always been seen as racist pigs that everyone have the right to hate, attack or even kill.
I have long wondered how long it will take for the first political murder against a person from SD.
Quote from: Spesialisti on 25.12.2012, 16:16:43
In Swedish elections there is this system where you must publicly pick up ballot paper belonging to each party or name list. How is this really working concerning vote secrecy? Case: If an elementary school teacher votes for SD with party ballot in a small liberal town, how quickly the rumor spreads?
I would see this a normal procedure of voting in some African dictatorships, but I think they have just not heard yet of this Swedish innovation..
In Finnish culture, where neighbor's privacy is much appreciated, this just couldn't be tolerated (less people would go voting, at least I wouldn't). I just wonder..shouldn't there be a huge movement in Sweden to abolish this kind of bizarre election system, in the haven of democracy.?
I heard there is a blank ballot also to select, but I can think that in a small town causes suspicion as well..
The papers for the parties are positioned so that everyone can see which you take. It's a bit scary to take the "wrong one". Most people take many papers and bring behind to the voting boot where they put the paper in a envelope and then hand it in to the vote-controller. It's true that this procedure can scare people from voting wrong, I am a swed and have never seen any other system. It's a horrible and scary system but i know nothing else. Who told you we're not an African dictatorship. Mr Reinfeldt often tells how he is 1/8 African ;)
How do you vote in Finland?
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 17:11:36
Quote from: Spesialisti on 25.12.2012, 16:16:43
In Swedish elections there is this system where you must publicly pick up ballot paper belonging to each party or name list. How is this really working concerning vote secrecy? Case: If an elementary school teacher votes for SD with party ballot in a small liberal town, how quickly the rumor spreads?
I would see this a normal procedure of voting in some African dictatorships, but I think they have just not heard yet of this Swedish innovation..
In Finnish culture, where neighbor's privacy is much appreciated, this just couldn't be tolerated (less people would go voting, at least I wouldn't). I just wonder..shouldn't there be a huge movement in Sweden to abolish this kind of bizarre election system, in the haven of democracy.?
I heard there is a blank ballot also to select, but I can think that in a small town causes suspicion as well..
The papers for the parties are positioned so that everyone can see which you take. It's a bit scary to take the "wrong one". Most people take many papers behind the boot where they put the paper in a envelope and then hand it in to the vote-controller. It's true that this procedure can scare people from voting wrong, I am a swed and have never seen any other system. It's a horrible and scary system but i know nothing else.
How do you vote in Finland?
We got one blanco card from voting supervisor and put candidate number to it. After that we close it to envelope in front of supervisor and next who open that envelope is votecounter.
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin] on 25.12.2012, 17:17:48
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 17:11:36
Quote from: Spesialisti on 25.12.2012, 16:16:43
In Swedish elections there is this system where you must publicly pick up ballot paper belonging to each party or name list. How is this really working concerning vote secrecy? Case: If an elementary school teacher votes for SD with party ballot in a small liberal town, how quickly the rumor spreads?
I would see this a normal procedure of voting in some African dictatorships, but I think they have just not heard yet of this Swedish innovation..
In Finnish culture, where neighbor's privacy is much appreciated, this just couldn't be tolerated (less people would go voting, at least I wouldn't). I just wonder..shouldn't there be a huge movement in Sweden to abolish this kind of bizarre election system, in the haven of democracy.?
I heard there is a blank ballot also to select, but I can think that in a small town causes suspicion as well..
The papers for the parties are positioned so that everyone can see which you take. It's a bit scary to take the "wrong one". Most people take many papers behind the boot where they put the paper in a envelope and then hand it in to the vote-controller. It's true that this procedure can scare people from voting wrong, I am a swed and have never seen any other system. It's a horrible and scary system but i know nothing else.
How do you vote in Finland?
We got one blanco card from voting supervisor and put candidate number to it. After that we close it to envelope in front of supervisor and next who open that envelope is votecounter.
You don't vote for a party?
We mainly vote for a party and if you wish you can mark the party-candidate that you like the best. But the parties does their lists with a hierarchy before. This list is what often the order in which candidates becomes voted in.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 17:03:20
SFP seems like an enigma for further studies.
In one way, SFP has also marginalized itself: only people for whom it makes sense to vote them are the Swedish speakers. Swedish speakers (so called "duck pond" by themselves among others) and SFP are largely the same thing. For speakers of Finnish, any other party offers more specific policies on things not related to Swedish language or minority status. Some Swedish-speaking Finns obviously vote other parties, but it seems they're not particularly keen to talk about in general. (At least those I know.)
But still, SFP is only one minor party on the field of Finnish politics. Alone it could do very little. Other parties do matter more regarding immigration policy, although some may be less interested than some others.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 17:24:23
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin] on 25.12.2012, 17:17:48
We got one blanco card from voting supervisor and put candidate number to it. After that we close it to envelope in front of supervisor and next who open that envelope is votecounter.
You don't vote for a party?
We mainly vote for a party and if you wish you can mark the party-candidate that you like the best. But the parties does their lists with a hierarchy before. This list is what often the order in which candidates becomes voted in.
Votes always to to a candidate, and parties can't make a "party list" which would prefer certain candidate over another.
Envelope is used only in advance voting, and on primary voting day, ballots are put directly to the ballot box.
Many aspects of the Finnish political system probably stem from deep division and resulting deep distrust resulting from war of independence. Each side had to be convinced that even though they would not trust their opponent, they could trust the system (anonymity in election, fair vote counting and fair representation in democracy). It would seem that only crisis and division makes people shape systems in a trustworthy way - eventually these systems erode when people forget that hardships and divisions were real...
I don't believe anyone of common sense would suggest party-coloured ballots in Finland. Even the leftist loonies don't go that way - maybe because they still may have sufficient amount of common sense to remember that vote anonymity actually protected them after the war of independence.
(http://is12.snstatic.fi/kuvat/alippu/img-1288432603192.jpeg)
Picture of a Finnish ballot. There is circle and line and you are supposed to write number of the politician you vote for. Still many people fail to do this and write donald duck, vagina or something other than number. These votes fail. Only clear numbers count.
Ballot is folded, stamped and put into a ballot box. Person and party are given value in a manner where person with most votes is voted first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Hondt_method
Is used to calculate the result.
Reason why there is no democracy or free election in Sweden is result of history. Sweden is monarchy. Monarchy does not consider all men equal. In democracy all men are equal. In constitutional monarchy people are led to believe them being equal even if they are not. Swedish people are given Royal bullshit show and crappy beer because they are content with that and being lazy and less prone to revolt, nobody really gives damn what sweds think. That is why Sweden uses list vote. So its all crappy and shit party corruption but then again, in self-sufficient socialsti monarchy the politics is method of avoiding change and maintaining royal socialist monarchy.
Swedish politics is just a method of maintaining power within very small and very swedish circles having literally all real power with state officals. Its bit more corrupt than in Finland and we can easily see who is most corrupt politician by statements they make when they try to bring Swedish list-election to Finland. Sosialist shitheads are eager because it would open doors to corrupt party politics because in list elections biggest party shithead always goes throug no matter what. And all change will be destroyed through party pre voting.
QuoteI think you should really focus on Finland. You are the only western country that have not been hit as hard as the rest of us with mass immigration and political oppression
I believe that Sweden belongs to swedes and I hope that you will fight politically for the right to rule your own country. Although official Sweden promotes multiculturalism, I know that many Swedes do not accept that political ideology but same time are publicly too quiet or "politically correct" to really let the world know of their true thoughts and feelings. But the day will come when the majority of Swedes will have enough of this veiled fascism called multiculturalism and then they will stand up and let their voices to be heard. But it could be too late then in the year X because if this progress let continued there will be time when Swedes represent minority in their own country and nothing can be done anymore - at least in a civilised way.
And should that feared day to come, let all you Swedes know that all of you are most welcomed to come to Finland, settle here and join your brothers and sisters, the Finns, to create a "joint venture" to create a new home for the Nordic Race and it's irreplaceable culture. And long before that, you, the Swedes, are welcomed to move to this side of the narrow sea to have your home and business. You see, for the historical reasons, the west coast of Finland is already a home for many swedish speaking Finnish citizens. Through the years I have been thinking that it would be a mutually beneficial advantage for us, the Nordic races, to work together for our global good and rights and to create a Land, where our culture, values and our own uniqueness are protected while peace, common cultural goals and harmony prevail.
This may sound too sentimental ( :) ) but in this world ruled by nations destroying fascists, it is, I believe, very important for us, the Nordic Folks, to join together to fight for our rights as human beings against the future Orwellian Society, which seeks to destroy democracy, human rights and the freedom of speech through chaos and violence provided by multiculturalism.
^ Thumbs up for the big heart! :)
I also welcome all oppressed Swedes with common sense of justice, equality and responsibility to Finland. The problem that we have with poorly controlled immigration is a shared one.
e: typo corrected
Quote from: siviilitarkkailija on 25.12.2012, 17:34:31
(http://is12.snstatic.fi/kuvat/alippu/img-1288432603192.jpeg)
Picture of a Finnish ballot. There is circle and line and you are supposed to write number of the politician you vote for. Still many people fail to do this and write donald duck, vagina or something other than number. These votes fail. Only clear numbers count.
Ballot is folded, stamped and put into a ballot box. Person and party are given value in a manner where person with most votes is voted first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Hondt_method
Is used to calculate the result.
Reason why there is no democracy or free election in Sweden is result of history. Sweden is monarchy. Monarchy does not consider all men equal. In democracy all men are equal. In constitutional monarchy people are led to believe them being equal even if they are not. Swedish people are given Royal bullshit show and crappy beer because they are content with that and being lazy and less prone to revolt, nobody really gives damn what sweds think. That is why Sweden uses list vote. So its all crappy and shit party corruption but then again, in self-sufficient socialsti monarchy the politics is method of avoiding change and maintaining royal socialist monarchy.
Swedish politics is just a method of maintaining power within very small and very swedish circles having literally all real power with state officals. Its bit more corrupt than in Finland and we can easily see who is most corrupt politician by statements they make when they try to bring Swedish list-election to Finland. Sosialist shitheads are eager because it would open doors to corrupt party politics because in list elections biggest party shithead always goes throug no matter what. And all change will be destroyed through party pre voting.
This is how our election papers looks like. You put them in a envelope and then you vote. The name of the party is very easy to spot when they stand very publicly when you pick them.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 25.12.2012, 17:41:47
QuoteI think you should really focus on Finland. You are the only western country that have not been hit as hard as the rest of us with mass immigration and political oppression
I believe that Sweden belongs to swedes and I hope that you will fight politically for the right to rule your own country. Although official Sweden promotes multiculturalism, I know that many Swedes do not accept that political ideology but same time are publicly too quiet or "politically correct" to really let the world know of their true thoughts and feelings. But the day will come when the majority of Swedes will have enough of this veiled fascism called multiculturalism and then they will stand up and let their voices to be heard. But it could be too late then in the year X because if this progress let continued there will be time when Swedes represent minority in their own country and nothing can be done anymore - at least in a civilised way.
And should that feared day to come, let all you Swedes know that all of you are most welcomed to come to Finland, settle here and join your brothers and sisters, the Finns, to create a "joint venture" to create a new home for the Nordic Race and it's irreplaceable culture. And long before that, you, the Swedes, are welcomed to move to this side of the narrow sea to have your home and business. You see, for the historical reasons, the west coast of Finland is already a home for many swedish speaking Finnish citizens. Through the years I have been thinking that it would be a mutually beneficial advantage for us, the Nordic races, to work together for our global good and rights and to create a Land, where our culture, values and our own uniqueness are protected while peace, common cultural goals and harmony prevail.
This may sound too sentimental ( :) ) but in this world ruled by nations destroying fascists, it is, I believe, very important for us, the Nordic Folks, to join together to fight for our rights as human beings against the future Orwellian Society, which seeks to destroy democracy, human rights and the freedom of speech through chaos and violence provided by multiculturalism.
When things goes really bad here I will take a good thinking about the future and there is a good chance I might flee to Finland. But of course I will do my best here in Sweden.
How are the normal finns reacting to the fact that Sweden is becoming a gansterland?
^ Probably most Finns have relatives, friends and/or acquaintances living in Sweden and we are worried. Your present is our potential future.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 18:33:04
How are the normal finns reacting to the fact that Sweden is becoming a gansterland?
I think the normal finns don't know about the bad situation of Sweden and they don't believe if somebody tells them.
We abnormal finns ( :P), we know about Sweden of Today.
Welcome to Sweden of Today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlG75wb7lLw
Quote from: Emo on 25.12.2012, 18:40:36
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 18:33:04
How are the normal finns reacting to the fact that Sweden is becoming a gansterland?
I think the normal finns don't know about the bad situation of Sweden and they don't believe if somebody tells them.
We abnormal finns ( :P), we know about Sweden of Today.
Welcome to Sweden of Today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlG75wb7lLw
It hurts every time I see films like that or when I watch films from my childhood. It was all so different then.
You should really do films about Sweden and put them on youtube in finnish. Even if we perish we could at least learn you something from our mistakes. We are now dragging our selves into a horrible situation. We are like Titanic and we have hit the iceberg bad. Probably there is only a question of time before we all go down in the cold and dark deep.
Please spread the word about Sweden in Finland, we might be your biggest asset. Not to help us, but to describe the violence, rape, killings, burnings and all the political oppression that are taking places right now as we speak.
I would feel so much better if I know that our suffering had a meaning and you could give that to me by just letting the finns know what are happening in Sweden and that it is a very bad idea to do the same thing yo your selves.
QuoteHow are the normal finns reacting to the fact that Sweden is becoming a gansterland?
Generally, they do not know a thing about it.
That's because our media is as multiculturally corrupted as in any other European country: they always praise the goodness and unavoidableness or imperativeness of multiculturalism but never really expose the huge negative side of it.
I think that people are somewhat afraid of talking of this subject because media has labeled anti-multiculturalists as being bad or racist people and even asking important questions is usually considered suspicious. People in Finland may have relatives in Sweden who are well aware of those gansterland problems, but do they ever talk about these things? Hardly not: they both stay in politically correct subjects like the price of salmon or weather.. very much must happen indeed before ordinary people will wake up or find their braveness against all this mass-media propaganda. And that could be way too late.
Quoteif we perish
You will not perish.
However, there will be a war. A massive, long lasting war in Europe. It's a war between European values, European culture and European people against this "Gansterland". Days to come are tough. They are hard. There will be blood everywhere. But we will never give up or perish. Because we are many and because we represent humanity, democracy and human rights. The evil will perish. But it takes time. The times of near future are crucial. But the war has already begun. We must be ready to fight for humanity against the Beast. And we are. You will not perish.
Quote from: hkanime on 25.12.2012, 18:56:48
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 17:03:20
SFP seems like an enigma for further studies.
SFP is the equivalent of Swedens Centerpartiet. Basically a miniscule more or less feminist party who in the face of disappearing completely with the diminishing swedish speaking minority, want to import new voters from abroad.
Traditionally the crazy multiculturalism is something that the leftist are up to, but SFP is basically a right-wing party. At least when it comes to economics.
The whole loonacy started when Göran Persson was PM in Sweden. SFP's big-wigs (especially a certain Astrid Thors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrid_Thors)) got lobbied by the sosialists in Sweden and came back with the crazy idea of opening up the borders in order to save the world from poverty, unhappiness and bad weather.
At these same times Göran Persson came out with some public statements that Finland is not taking it's "responsibility" when it comes to importing people from abroad, and Sweden is taking up too much of the immigration pressure. The exact logic about why we should sort out Göran Perssons messy socialist politics in Sweden escaped everyone, but anyway, the idea caught on in Finland.
Now, SFP has traditionally (and unfortunately) always been in the government as a fill-in party and therefore was in a position to bring the multicultural ideas right to the top of the government. Eventually other parties jumped the boat, smelling the opportunity to get some new votes from the immigrants, and of course no-one wanted to look like the "racist" kid on the block now that the swedish immigration rethoric was copied into the finnish political debate.
Nowadays multiculturalism is widely supported troughout the political arena except for the Sannfinnländarna -party (although they do not have a particularely strong official standpoint against immigration).
Regarding SFP, it's voters are pretty much the swedish speaking (6%) minority in Finland. They do not really have any other agenda than to preserve some special "rights" the finnoswedes have. Nowadays multiculturalism is also a big topic for SFP but not necessarely for it's voters.
The reason (in my view) why SFP still exists is it's strong financial background combined with an idea that no other party really talks for the "swedish issues" in Finland. The (small but) loud anti-swedish movement in Finland has also polarized the language-politics cementing SFP:s position among the finnoswedes.
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In total, the big picture is quite similar to the swedish situation with a hysterical press, politicians praising multiculturalism, political corretness, censorship etc. that follows the naive worshipping of foreign etnicities and cultures.
That said, I think the avareness amongst the common man of the multicultural disaster, is probably somewhat more widespread in Finland than in Sweden.
Actually, and to be blunt, Sweden is often cited as the ultimate example of horror when it comes to multiculturalism as an utterly and completely failed social experiment that brings nothing but poverty, death, and destruction to the people.
I'm sorry to say, but what was once absurd jokes in cartoons has now become everyday news from Sweden.
Can't PS just come up with a good compromise about the swedish language, showing that you all can benefit from having a new language-peace-deal?
As I understood it many finns are sometimes behaving badly to the swedish speakers because they are so angry from being forced to talk this "better people language". So you have both the swedish speakers who are attacking finland by promoting multiculturalism and finns who have resentment against the swedish speakers. This kinds of divisions are very bad for a country.
If the swedish talking finns could let the most part of the country loose from the forced swedish they could get like bettering of the right to service on swedish in contact with the central authorities. The forced swedish could be kept in the areas where the swedishspeakers live like in Österbottnia, Egentliga Finland and Nyland but letting the rest off the hook of the forced swedish?
This is just a suggestion from a foreigner, how do you people see a good compromise look like? Do you think there could be any point in PS trying to seek peace with the powerful minority in this way?
Actual point in list election
The key in Swedish bullshit elections is actually the order of names on the list. Bigger one is on party ladder, the smaller the number on ballot list one has. Meaning list election is ridden with party corruption and bullshit as within party system a politican must make to the top row on the list. No wonder the leftists and greens are all for list elections. If one must eradicate democracy from a society, list election is best way to do that.
Quotenormal finns reacting to the fact that Sweden is becoming a gansterland?
What do you mean is becoming? I think last straw was the murder of PM and whole police handling of the case. It left very little for imagining Sweden being anything but another (excuse the language) shitstan in west. Naturally socialist bullshitters cried their crocodile eyes off but hard reality was that in Sweden ministers are murdered, people are persecuted because of their political opinion and anyone daring to state a free opinion other than state provided one risks consequenses including bodily harm.
Finland can't be a sanctuary to Swedish people who turn disillusioned with collapse of their State and society. Much as I'd like, there must be change within Sweden and Swedish people. Swedish societys equality is gone. Its democracy is gone and only people on earth who can change that are Swedish. But entertainment monarchy is likely to fight peoples right to political change with every indecent and dirty method in their disposal.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 25.12.2012, 19:05:13
Quoteif we perish
You will not perish.
However, there will be a war. A massive, long lasting war in Europe. It's a war between European values, European culture and European people against this "Gansterland". Days to come are tough. They are hard. There will be blood everywhere. But we will never give up or perish. Because we are many and because we represent humanity, democracy and human rights. The evil will perish. But it takes time. The times of near future are crucial. But the war has already begun. We must be ready to fight for humanity against the Beast. And we are. You will not perish.
Eino, that was like a closing scene from an old Hollywood Epic. The famous YOU WILL NOT PERISH -speech! Think if we would have a better actor to say it, like young Charlton Heston. And music. And sunset. Beautiful and inspiring! ;D
Otherwise I agree.
QuoteEino, that was like a closing scene from an old Hollywood Epic. The famous YOU WILL NOT PERISH -speech! Think if we would have a better actor to say it, like young Charlton Heston. And music. And sunset. Beautiful and inspiring! ;D
I have a dream, that you will not perish. Ask not what your country can do for you not to perish, ask what you can do to make your country not to perish.
Eino's the Man.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 19:09:25
Can't PS just come up with a good compromise about the swedish language, showing that you all can benefit from having a new language-peace-deal?
I consider it unfortunately unlikely that either side would make a compromise. Especially SFP, though. They're very strong at maintaining mandatory school Swedish everywhere, and they have their loyal allies (which seems a bit strange) in most major parties supporting them. This is strange considering the fact that Swedish is essentially nonexistent language in Eastern Finland, and in certain areas there Russian is much more in need. I've lived in suburbs where Mandarin is more important than Swedish, but those tend to be pretty exceptional...
Main explanation in regard of PS is that they want to serve their voters and stay credible instead of vying for more power through integrity-compromising "cow deals" with other parties, as they're called here. It's not that common in Finnish politics to have such an backbone and responsibility to voters.
I'm surprised that of all the parties in Sweden the Centre-Party has come up with a proposal to remove all restrictions on immigration. If the Swedish Centre-Party is anything like its Finnish equivalent then its core supporters are mainly rural people and people living in the rural areas tend to be older than the poplation on the average and also more conservative in their outlook. Therefore a proposal like this coming from them is somewhat surprising.
On the other hand, the party is struggling to clear the 4% threshold demanded to gain representation in the Riksdag, so they have to resort to all kinds of things which could save them. However, this proposal is more likely to drown them. In their initiative they said that Sweden could support 30m more people. If anything that shows they have really lost all their marbles.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 18:50:38
It hurts every time I see films like that or when I watch films from my childhood. It was all so different then.
You should really do films about Sweden and put them on youtube in finnish. Even if we perish we could at least learn you something from our mistakes. We are now dragging our selves into a horrible situation. We are like Titanic and we have hit the iceberg bad. Probably there is only a question of time before we all go down in the cold and dark deep.
Please spread the word about Sweden in Finland, we might be your biggest asset. Not to help us, but to describe the violence, rape, killings, burnings and all the political oppression that are taking places right now as we speak.
I would feel so much better if I know that our suffering had a meaning and you could give that to me by just letting the finns know what are happening in Sweden and that it is a very bad idea to do the same thing yo your selves.
I'm a bit surprised to notice you have totally given up with Sweden. You swedes must not give up!
I have been waiting for some swedish writers to come to Hommaforum and now you are here. You know many people who know more people... tell also them to come here to discuss and invite their friends to come here.
It's important for people to know what's going on in Europe! Then they can make decision which party to vote.
We have a few swedishspeaking finns writing here at Homma and almost everyone of us understands some english. And in Sweden there is also finnishspeaking swedes; you are all welcome. We will find a common language.
Radical Muslims In Belgium (Scary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAivyEazJQ0
There is problems with radical islam and immigration everywhere, not only in Sweden.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 25.12.2012, 19:33:28
QuoteEino, that was like a closing scene from an old Hollywood Epic. The famous YOU WILL NOT PERISH -speech! Think if we would have a better actor to say it, like young Charlton Heston. And music. And sunset. Beautiful and inspiring! ;D
I have a dream, that you will not perish. Ask not what your country can do for you not to perish, ask what you can do to make your country not to perish.
They might take our lives, but they can never take your freedom! ;)
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 20:08:02
They might take our lives, but they can never take your freedom! ;)
Freedom! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr_OpFxCx-A
The paradox is that if they take your freedom, their own freedom will also disappear.
Because when there's no-one to defend freedom, it will be lost for all.
Quote from: Emo on 25.12.2012, 19:54:33
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 18:50:38
It hurts every time I see films like that or when I watch films from my childhood. It was all so different then.
You should really do films about Sweden and put them on youtube in finnish. Even if we perish we could at least learn you something from our mistakes. We are now dragging our selves into a horrible situation. We are like Titanic and we have hit the iceberg bad. Probably there is only a question of time before we all go down in the cold and dark deep.
Please spread the word about Sweden in Finland, we might be your biggest asset. Not to help us, but to describe the violence, rape, killings, burnings and all the political oppression that are taking places right now as we speak.
I would feel so much better if I know that our suffering had a meaning and you could give that to me by just letting the finns know what are happening in Sweden and that it is a very bad idea to do the same thing yo your selves.
I'm a bit surprised to notice you have totally given up with Sweden. You swedes must not give up!
I have been waiting for some swedish writers to come to Hommaforum and now you are here. You know many people who know more people... tell also them to come here to discuss and invite their friends to come here.
It's important for people to know what's going on in Europe! Then they can make decision which party to vote.
We have a few swedishspeaking finns writing here at Homma and almost everyone of us understands some english. And in Sweden there is also finnishspeaking swedes; you are all welcome. We will find a common language.
Radical Muslims In Belgium (Scary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAivyEazJQ0
There is problems with radical islam and immigration everywhere, not only in Sweden.
I have not given up hope, but the situation are looking incredible dark. I am discussion mainly from the demographic situation and that is something you can make a quite ok estimation about the future. And by this information Sweden is so fast transforming and the clear majority of sweds are extremely brainwashed and the media and schools will make this stay for another 15-30 years which is what is demanded for total change of the country.
I am just trying to be realistic.
We are like the first line of trenches and I am telling you that there is a very big chance that the enemy will run over us. But you in the back trenches still have time to prepare and to spread the word of what happened to us. Hopefully you will be so well prepared and motivated when it's your turn to meet the risk of the end of history you will repeal and win your future.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 25.12.2012, 20:16:36
The paradox is that if they take your freedom, their own freedom will also disappear.
Because when there's no-one to defend freedom, it will be lost for all.
When we are gone and the gangland is reality for real the multiculturalists might understand that they can't live in their new society. But as you say, then no one will be there to save them from their own wild creation.
Our history will then end... and endless days of horrors will begin. (watch a documentary about the civil war in Kingston in Jamaica or the civil war with the favelas in Brazil, this will be our future then)
The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLJJEDDDGc
^Don't forget us women! :-* :-* :-*
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eer...terribly sorry but Sweden has been unequal monarchy for past 1000 years from days of Eric the Victorious. It is quite unlikely that people who are grown into unequality being the norm somehow would treat all men equal let alone accept the idea of freedom of men. It could happen in country with elected kings but not in hereditary monarchy.
There are rich and powerful factions who gain their political and official powers through repressing and lying to ordinary swedish people. One such family and its soap opera like behavior is just one example how nothing is turned into "news" and how swedish people can be misled and undermined throug royal bullshit. Another and even more influencial are the circkles of power I call socialist nobility. People who claim to represent working men or commerce but who actually are embodiment of hereditary power and wealth.
I think the first step is to have freedom of speech. Since it is not available in Sweden, you can use your right to freedom of speech in Finland.
^ I don't see monarchy playing any significant role in this because also Germany and France are in same shit with islam and immigration as Sweden is.
Monarchy has very profound impact on society even when it is not obvious political power. Especially when a society is on brink of collapse. Monarchy, even if it is merely formal one, will help people to cope with inequality that no republic can or will stand.
Indeed, modern day European monarchies enjoy 80% popular support in every country where that system still exists. That is not because people would love their royals but mainly because people are, rightly so, very suspicious of handing too much power to politicians. Even though modern day monarchs have no political power, their very existence stops any politician from declaring himself a president for life like Kekkonen was in Finland.
Thanks Svensken, it has been really interesting.
I think one reason why people here don't see your situation so bad is that your economy has been very good so far. Some people (at least those of pro-immigration generally) think that immigration has actually helped your economy ("Look at Sweden, they are doing great"). Thus, if we blame the crime/other social problems it will will often be dismissed as a "hate speech" or exaggeration. No matter how often something bad happens, it is always an isolated case for some people but they use the economy as a proof that immigration is a good thing.
And people who just read the mainstream media aren't very well informed.
Actually I think it's quite a big feat to have been able to handle everything economically well. Here we are struggling already with it. I think a failing economy might save us both for some troubles in immigration.
I don't have any questions, but I have often been thinking about how well aware are the Swedish people generally of the situation. By saying that people there are brain washed you pretty much answered that.
So thanks again. And welcome to Finland and Homma Meetings at any time (informal meetings of beer drinking and talking politics).
Svensken, have you been to Torneådalen? If you ever move to Finland, stay clear of Åland and the south coast. The Swedish speaking racists there don't give a pretty impression what bilinguality should be. In north, Övertorneå and such, both sides of the border speak both languages and stick together in everything! That's how it should be, not how the southern wannabe-swedes want it to be; non-equal but more like apartheid with them benefiting from 95% of the non-swedish speaking majority.
I love visiting the swedish side here in the north, I get served well in 3 languages, Finnish, Swedish and English and people are extremely nice. (and a lot of good-looking blondes ofc)
In some places, south, if you go ask something in Finnish you don't even get a response, even if they understand you perfectly well and would also be capable of switching to English. That's how disgustingly racist some of them are.
Quote from: -PPT- on 25.12.2012, 21:14:23
Indeed, modern day European monarchies enjoy 80% popular support in every country where that system still exists. That is not because people would love their royals but mainly because people are, rightly so, very suspicious of handing too much power to politicians. Even though modern day monarchs have no political power, their very existence stops any politician from declaring himself a president for life like Kekkonen was in Finland.
I don't know how much it has to do with royalties, but I agree, it is very strange indeed how much our people like the royal family even though the half of them are retards(The King and his son) and the queen is a daughter of a nazi who she has done her best to lie about and hide away. Our king has done so incredibly much stupid things during his years. Every year when he holds hid christmas speech he always tells how much he loves the new Sweden and all its immigrants. When he is in interviews he always looks like a crazy alcoholic and according to all the rumours i have heard he probably is.
I found a suiting picture of our great king at his best. This is taken from a public event, its raining so the king puts on a plastic trash bag, it really suits him.
And every time those royal retards come to Finland showing themselves publicly, we have huge crowds gathered at the streets smiling like being retards themselves - which I believe is the case indeed. Believe or not, but here in Finland we have plenty of people who envy you because you have the retards who buy booze and prostitutes with money provided by your taxpayers..
Quote from: ile on 25.12.2012, 22:12:33
Thanks Svensken, it has been really interesting.
I think one reason why people here don't see your situation so bad is that your economy has been very good so far. Some people (at least those of pro-immigration generally) think that immigration has actually helped your economy ("Look at Sweden, they are doing great"). Thus, if we blame the crime/other social problems it will will often be dismissed as a "hate speech" or exaggeration. No matter how often something bad happens, it is always an isolated case for some people but they use the economy as a proof that immigration is a good thing.
And people who just read the mainstream media aren't very well informed.
Actually I think it's quite a big feat to have been able to handle everything economically well. Here we are struggling already with it. I think a failing economy might save us both for some troubles in immigration.
I don't have any questions, but I have often been thinking about how well aware are the Swedish people generally of the situation. By saying that people there are brain washed you pretty much answered that.
So thanks again. And welcome to Finland and Homma Meetings at any time (informal meetings of beer drinking and talking politics).
The economy might look good, or better than in other places. There might be a good growth rate. This might also be because of immigration, why is this then?
The massive immigration from the last years have created a huge market of unqualified low paid labour, you could soon start to call us "little china" because we are doing good probable for the same reasons; low paid slave labour. There has been many reports of people working for almost nothing. This i possible because of the "Free labour immigration act" of 2008 when Sweden opened its borders for the whole world. The only demand is that you have an employer and on paper he has to pay a wage that is "common for the kind of jobs that is done." If people then work here for five years they get PUT ;) This means that they can stay in sweden for ever and after five years in the country they can also become a citizen. This is why people happily becomes slaves for some years and then get the benefits of the swedish welfare system.
So if you want massive amounts of underpaid slaves that soon will become a burden on you welfare feel free to open your borders. But I am telling you, there is a very big risk of Sweden getting even more fucked up because of this. The unemployment is about 10% or more and the influx of new slaves does not help this amount at all. Having a massive labour immigration when you have 10% unemployment is really a good way for the rulers to say "We hate you sweds", which is probably what they do big time.
And further, a good economy for sweden means bigger tax incomes and large amounts of this income goes to fund immigrants in sweden or to bring more here.
I would rather live in a much poorer society with a homogeneous society that handle the crisis now by being poor than getting money now from destroying their country even more. The economist only looks at the money, but a life and society is so much more than growth rates or tax incomes.
Quote from: Jaakko P. on 26.12.2012, 00:41:33
Svensken, have you been to Torneådalen? If you ever move to Finland, stay clear of Åland and the south coast. The Swedish speaking racists there don't give a pretty impression what bilinguality should be. In north, Övertorneå and such, both sides of the border speak both languages and stick together in everything! That's how it should be, not how the southern wannabe-swedes want it to be; non-equal but more like apartheid with them benefiting from 95% of the non-swedish speaking majority.
I love visiting the swedish side here in the north, I get served well in 3 languages, Finnish, Swedish and English and people are extremely nice. (and a lot of good-looking blondes ofc)
In some places, south, if you go ask something in Finnish you don't even get a response, even if they understand you perfectly well and would also be capable of switching to English. That's how disgustingly racist some of them are.
I have not been to "Tårnedalen" but from what you tell me I should really go visit I am really happy for you living in that kind of harmony with the bilingualism. You should really try to learn the rest of the country something :)
Quote from: hkanime on 26.12.2012, 01:46:42
Quote from: -PPT- on 25.12.2012, 19:46:40
If the Swedish Centre-Party is anything like its Finnish equivalent then its core supporters are mainly rural people and people living in the rural areas
The swedish center is quite different from the finnish center. Even though the swedish center has it's background in the country-side (Jordbrukarnas Riksförbund) it is nowadays a real politically centered party. Here, the center is still an agrarian party (bondeparti) trying to rip off the taxpayers for more farm subsidies.
The swedish center party has managed to get the most crazy leaders one can find. The previous one, Maud Olofsson, was a real lunatic regarding immigration. Her stupidity reached epic proportions. The closest runner up was probably Gudrun Schyman who wanted to tax men for beeing men. The present one, Anne Lööf, is not that much better.
Maud Olofsson was the woman who started to talk about immigrants as "nybyggare" (uudisraivaajat). Anne Lööf wanted to have 30 miljon africans to Sweden (http://www.friatider.se/centerpartiet-vill-importera-31-miljoner-nybyggare-till-sverige). I guess even the most hard-core multiculturalist realized that center partys immigration policy would vipe Sweden off the map permanently. No wonder they don't have any support.
A very good description :)
Maud was so good when she sat in SVT and said "We have to have insurance for all our nuclear plants in Germany" and the journalists tried to tell her that we would never be able to pay of such an event if it would happen, we would be stuck for ever with a huge debt. She did not care or understand and said "Vattenfall is a responsible company, insurance it is!" Later in the same month she came up with the brilliant idea to sell the whole of our electric grid to foreign risk capitalists.
Annie Lööf is really much more crazy, but the majority of her partys backbone members hates her for wanting to freely import immigrants. She has also done other lovely things, this summer she was told by the homosexual lobby organisation RFSL that she was to radical when she demanded to take away the quarantine time for homosexual men giving blood. She also wants to legalize the spreading of HIV/AIDS but that is something she has in common with most of the leading swedish politicians.
Quote from: foobar on 25.12.2012, 19:36:29
I consider it unfortunately unlikely that either side would make a compromise. Especially SFP, though. They're very strong at maintaining mandatory school Swedish everywhere, and they have their loyal allies (which seems a bit strange) in most major parties supporting them. This is strange considering the fact that Swedish is essentially nonexistent language in Eastern Finland, and in certain areas there Russian is much more in need.
That is true, and one strange thing more is that students and their parents don't want to learn Russian. They choose rather Swedish. Despite of that it is commonly known that Russian skills helps a lot if you are seeking a job in the eastern parts of Finland. Finns do have some kind of a negative approach to Russia. And vice versa a glorifying approach to Sweden, still.
So, you Swedes have much admirers, in the whole Finland. :)
Individual lunatics are reoccurring event in politics. In Swedish system the big money and small family circkles of power remain. The whole point of swedish political system is to make sure ordinary swedish people are bombarded constantly with "pseudo news" of royal family and football. if we strip swedish news from royal and football news, we are left with nothing but commercial annonucements.
When one thinks of female politician who apparently quite seriously suggests a male tax, we are not in a parody horizon. This just goes to show how a system has enabled throroughly insane person to institutionalize utter inequality through equal means. Can happen to any country with state sponsored media apparatus and that media having a political agenda. With suggestions like hers I can understand why Sweden is key ground to organisations like al quaida and other extreme islamic groups. In cultural reality what else there is but islamic retaliation?
Why Sweden has retarded to such level an why it keeps spreading through media criminals such as allers? Obviously the point being money. Those with money choose to keep it an prevent 'have not's' from gaining it. That is why media keeps bombarding people with pseudo news an blatant propaganda lies. It helps to maintain financial an political power within the small family circkles.
A very good example of complete and utter swedish media crap is the princess Madeleine wedding. Underneath the royal wedding brewhaa swedish people are happy to ignore tons of gangrape, unemployment and mismanagement news. It is a custom swedish people choose. Or media has chosen it for them for so many years that they find it impossible to picture true political power being in limelight. Like how much money a family like Wallenbergs made through immigration and what it costed to the state? in Finland there are uber rich families as well who are keen to exploit immigration at expense of wellfare state. Luckily there are no royal smokescreen to cover up the aftermath. Not that finnish press didnt have interest to cover up mismanagement and fraudulent immigration.
Greetings to Svensken also on my behalf,
To answer your question "How are the normal finns reacting to the fact that Sweden is becoming a gansterland?"
Very often I discuss these matters with my relative who has lived in Stockholm for 30 years. I am somewhat aware of the 'development' that has taken place in such places like Husby, Rinkeby, Hallonberget or many other places in Stockholm. It is my Finnish and Swedish friends living in Stockholm, who are being told (by immigrants) to fuck off and go home (??). What impudence, what liberalism...
Now to give one form of answer to that question. I am sorry to say this, and this opinion is very much only my individual opinion, but I believe that 'normal Finns' do not know shit about the problems of the world. Not environmental problems, not socio-cultural problems or not economical problems. However, they do know more than probably majority of people in general :). You see many of us Finns tend to have a symptom of not wanting or not caring about these dark matters. Many times those people who are interested in Sweden, they are Finnish hipsters who just want to visit the fancy cafes and clothes stores in Södermalm. Södermalm is of course a nice place, but many Finnish want to take the nice stuff out of Sweden and totally ignore the existence of any negative aspects. Especially since at the moment it is a huge hype to be interested in 'exotic' and 'rootsy' people. How could they possess any sort of negative impacts...
So the normal people are not aware of what is going on in Sweden. I have many times tried to encourage to read the book 'Svensk maffia' or sending them articles etc. But nothing changes...
So where it all boils down to, in my opinion it is the mind-set of people. Psychological and biological mindset that prevents them to address the problems. And this mind-set of theirs is very, very difficult to change because their huge ego is protecting it.
Vi hörs!
I wanted to say that the site "Sikolätti" seems very interesting and good but how big is it in Finland?
The webbtool Alexa.com does not give any good answer.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 26.12.2012, 09:59:18
And every time those royal retards come to Finland showing themselves publicly, we have huge crowds gathered at the streets smiling like being retards themselves - which I believe is the case indeed. Believe or not, but here in Finland we have plenty of people who envy you because you have the retards who buy booze and prostitutes with money provided by your taxpayers..
Haha, this was a very good way of putting it. It's sad that you think there is any kind of charm to this family. If you are to have a royal family its really good if they have some kind of class and behave as if they were something special (living from millions of our taxmoney they better fake it at least). But they are retards for real... The king is a real alcoholic, he would sit in a park drinking some cheep vodka if he was not king. Now he drinks expensive brands in one of his many castles.
There is this joke about the royal children: "Victoria, Madeleine and Carl-Philip are second generation immigrants who lives on welfare."
There is this true story where our king thought he was in Örebro and greeted all "Kära örebroare" but they were in Arbåga :D
Another time he could not remember if he has been to a porn club so he said: "No.....I....think....not....no....not a porn club....maby ones in paris....but...no." The reporter then asks "But what about the photos of the sex-photos with two women where you are said to participate?" The king then asks "Maby...no....maby from Gotland when I am with my family there in the summer?"
When you see a clip from this interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkkWqV9Es0
Look at the man, this retarded drunkard gets hundreds of millions every year!
Dear Svensken,
I don't know if you are a troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)) or not.
In that case if you are a that good guy from Sweden that you seems to be, you are most welcome into Finland as a guest or refugee, when this multi-culti goes too far in Sweden.
Even if you have a good service in Swedish in Finland I strongly recommend you to learn at least little bit of Finnish, if you were refugee from Sweden....
Quote from: siviilitarkkailija on 26.12.2012, 11:38:03
Individual lunatics are reoccurring event in politics. In Swedish system the big money and small family circkles of power remain. The whole point of swedish political system is to make sure ordinary swedish people are bombarded constantly with "pseudo news" of royal family and football. if we strip swedish news from royal and football news, we are left with nothing but commercial annonucements.
When one thinks of female politician who apparently quite seriously suggests a male tax, we are not in a parody horizon. This just goes to show how a system has enabled throroughly insane person to institutionalize utter inequality through equal means. Can happen to any country with state sponsored media apparatus and that media having a political agenda. With suggestions like hers I can understand why Sweden is key ground to organisations like al quaida and other extreme islamic groups. In cultural reality what else there is but islamic retaliation?
Why Sweden has retarded to such level an why it keeps spreading through media criminals such as allers? Obviously the point being money. Those with money choose to keep it an prevent 'have not's' from gaining it. That is why media keeps bombarding people with pseudo news an blatant propaganda lies. It helps to maintain financial an political power within the small family circkles.
A very good example of complete and utter swedish media crap is the princess Madeleine wedding. Underneath the royal wedding brewhaa swedish people are happy to ignore tons of gangrape, unemployment and mismanagement news. It is a custom swedish people choose. Or media has chosen it for them for so many years that they find it impossible to picture true political power being in limelight. Like how much money a family like Wallenbergs made through immigration and what it costed to the state? in Finland there are uber rich families as well who are keen to exploit immigration at expense of wellfare state. Luckily there are no royal smokescreen to cover up the aftermath. Not that finnish press didnt have interest to cover up mismanagement and fraudulent immigration.
How is it with "Genus/gender theory" and radical feminism in general in Finland?
You are all wrong about the news in Sweden!
Except from sports and the royal family we have news about how horrible it is with all the swedish racists and how poor children comes to sweden from all over the world in need of protection. There are tons of news about how needed the immigrants are and how we would die directly without them. We also hear about gender schools were boys are taught to like dresses and pink. Just look at SVT and you will see the great varieties of the politicly balanced media ;)
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 13:04:13
How is it with "Genus/gender theory" and radical feminism in general in Finland?
I think any kind of radical feminism doesn't have a majority support among Finns. Attempts towards actions such as quotas for less-presented gender in various (but not all) organisations is silently tolerated by the majority, but that's it. There's no trouble for regular people (aka. not employed by Green party or some minority lunacy ombudsman office) stating that quotas are rubbish, and distort natural competition between the competent. News of male tax and such stuff is often viewed as some sort of entertainment, "look at them Swedes, they're at it (saving the world from imaginary problems) again!"
At least this is the situation in my circles. People I know tend to be right-leaning, entrepreneurs, blue collar workers or equipped with university-level hard sciences education. Not entirely representative of Finns, but I guess still represents real taxpayers quite well.
Quote from: elukka on 26.12.2012, 13:02:30
Dear Svensken,
I don't know if you are a troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)) or not.
In that case if you are a that good guy from Sweden that you seems to be, you are most welcome into Finland as a guest or refugee, when this multi-culti goes too far in Sweden.
Even if you have a good service in Swedish in Finland I strongly recommend you to learn at least little bit of Finnish, if you were refugee from Sweden....
I don't know how to prove that I am not a troll but even if I sometimes write things a bit to dramatic I have still given you loads of links to information about the situation. If you want more links I would be happy to provide it.
I mean everything I say, maybe sometimes I have overstated some small things but in general this i my opinions and they are not something that I am trying to fool you with. For example; Our prime minister mr Reinfeldt has said that people who associate with Sweden Democrats can expect to get stabbed or killed. Why would a person who likes Sweden and just want to lie a lot tell you this totally horrible fact. Here is an article from SD where they ask Reinfeldt to explain what he meant http://www.mynewsdesk.com/se/pressroom/sverigedemokraterna/pressrelease/view/reinfeldt-maaste-foerklara-sitt-uttalande-om-det-politiska-vaaldet-aakesson-kraever-svar-fraan-statsministern-472764
I am very happy for your invitation, I will do my best here in Sweden, but if we really lose (which the coming ten-twenty years will decisively show) I will really consider it. But for me to have anywhere to flee you guys have to put in another gear to save your country.
Kanske är det bättre att skriva på engelska att så många som möjligt kan delta.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 13:04:13How is it with "Genus/gender theory" and radical feminism in general in Finland?
Well, the public laughs at these idiots while the press by-and-large worships them. For a politician it is not possible to criticize their follies unless you want to be labeled as a misogynist and an oppressor of the weak by the press. They have a steady foothold in the academia where you either condone them or you are done with your career.
edit: In other words, it is the same story as with (ideological) multiculturalism.
Quote from: gloaming on 26.12.2012, 13:27:20
Kanske är det bättre att skriva på engelska att så många som möjligt kan delta.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 13:04:13How is it with "Genus/gender theory" and radical feminism in general in Finland?
Well, the public laughs at these idiots while the press by-and-large worships them. For a politician it is not possible to criticize their follies unless you want to be labeled as a misogynist and an oppressor of the weak by the press. They have a steady foothold in the academia where you either condone them or you are done with your career.
It is true that press is almost exclusively in support for leftist lunatics... and that the people in general show sympathy to people that the "progressive" press wants to bash. For politicians it may be hard to be against things like gender quotas, but they know very well that it doesn't bode well in next election to be eager supporter of such concepts. With exception of Greens and maybe the Left Alliance, voters tend to be much less interested in imposing this kind of limits than what journos are.
foobar, gloaming :
In Sweden radical feminism is in its quotations form (people saying what they said on TV) very spread. The problem is very seldom their view in them selves because they are often very illogical and right out stupid. There would be very little problem to explain for these people what they are doing wrong (even if you stick to their own universe of views).
The problem though, because there is a major problem with these people, is that you are not allowed to discuss with them. They very fast goes crazy and even if you would be able to explain things to them they will not allow you. We have no what so ever public and open discussion about radical feminism and gender studies. In sweden there is a very spread facebook group called "White oppressed men". Its created by a Kurdish man who does his best of shutting the mouth of every one who disagrees with the whole PC-project. He recently got a person to shut his blogg and then say something like: "I will not any longer be into politics discussions because I am afraid and tired." It's this type of fascism in a pink dress that really scares me!
Do the feminists in Finland allow you to discuss their views in TV etc?
Quote from: J. Lanta on 26.12.2012, 11:39:48
Greetings to Svensken also on my behalf,
To answer your question "How are the normal finns reacting to the fact that Sweden is becoming a gansterland?"
Very often I discuss these matters with my relative who has lived in Stockholm for 30 years. I am somewhat aware of the 'development' that has taken place in such places like Husby, Rinkeby, Hallonberget or many other places in Stockholm. It is my Finnish and Swedish friends living in Stockholm, who are being told (by immigrants) to fuck off and go home (??). What impudence, what liberalism...
Now to give one form of answer to that question. I am sorry to say this, and this opinion is very much only my individual opinion, but I believe that 'normal Finns' do not know shit about the problems of the world. Not environmental problems, not socio-cultural problems or not economical problems. However, they do know more than probably majority of people in general :). You see many of us Finns tend to have a symptom of not wanting or not caring about these dark matters. Many times those people who are interested in Sweden, they are Finnish hipsters who just want to visit the fancy cafes and clothes stores in Södermalm. Södermalm is of course a nice place, but many Finnish want to take the nice stuff out of Sweden and totally ignore the existence of any negative aspects. Especially since at the moment it is a huge hype to be interested in 'exotic' and 'rootsy' people. How could they possess any sort of negative impacts...
So the normal people are not aware of what is going on in Sweden. I have many times tried to encourage to read the book 'Svensk maffia' or sending them articles etc. But nothing changes...
So where it all boils down to, in my opinion it is the mind-set of people. Psychological and biological mindset that prevents them to address the problems. And this mind-set of theirs is very, very difficult to change because their huge ego is protecting it.
Vi hörs!
I really like your answer, extremely finnish, straight forward and strong :)
I really hope that finns are at least grumpy enough to think living with the half of africa and the middle east sounds like a very bad idea.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 12:13:42
Lemmy, Asta Tuominen, P:
It's really interesting that there is some kind of sentiment by people that the swedish-finns are "Better people". SFP seems to have something to take care of when it comes to "racism". Why does not finnish news write about this double standard?
Guess who owns it?
Quote from: Lemmy on 26.12.2012, 13:53:29
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 12:13:42
Lemmy, Asta Tuominen, P:
It's really interesting that there is some kind of sentiment by people that the swedish-finns are "Better people". SFP seems to have something to take care of when it comes to "racism". Why does not finnish news write about this double standard?
Guess who owns it?
Sanoma and Bonnier?
I just looked it up: (http://www.ejc.net/media_landscape/article/finland/)
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 17:00:55
I am really sad that we did not help you out in the war.
Well, some of you did actually
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svenska_frivilligk%C3%A5ren
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_19_Finland
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svenska_frivilligbataljonen
But of course we like to rip you ;D
http://youtu.be/pw3e64sosEg
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 13:42:28
Do the feminists in Finland allow you to discuss their views in TV etc?
I think situation regarding "feminist" development in Finland is largely in a "trench warfare" phase. Neither side can expect to gain considerable success by stronger push. I think there are occasional debates on gender quotas (lately, on boards of privately owned companies - that's what they're mostly pushing) or income equality ("inequality" which usually disappears if statistics are normalized regarding the field and level of expertise and such). It seems relatively unlikely that feminists would reach any "big wins" in close future. There certainly are loonie feminists in the public, but by no means public opinion is such that they would have some sort of last expert say on how things should be done.
Discussion on television and the press might be a bit muted, but it's well present in public blogs, and as far as I know, even people blogging with their own name haven't got threats on this regard.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 14:00:09
Quote from: Lemmy on 26.12.2012, 13:53:29
Guess who owns it?
Sanoma and Bonnier?
Exactly. And Sanoma is owned by Swedish-speaking foundations like Kulturfonden. Follow the money someone once said. And whose bread you eat their songs you sing said another.
The only "independent" media left is some marginal publication like the crime magazine "Alibi". There used to be some "scandal magazines" that had this "investigative journalism" streak in the 60's and 70's but they've lost their touch since.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 13:45:52
I really like your answer, extremely finnish, straight forward and strong :)
Yes, we don't "diskutera" much, its "management by perkele". In my former company the Swedes always got upset the Finns wanted a meeting to make a decision, not to discuss.
Quote from: Lemmy on 26.12.2012, 14:17:44
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 13:45:52
I really like your answer, extremely finnish, straight forward and strong :)
Yes, we don't "diskutera" much, its "management by perkele".
The notion that Sweden is some kind of Democratic utopia where everything has to be discussed and then voted for is not true. There are many discussions, but its mostly not ok to be to negative or differ much from the group(read group leaders). Sweden may many times look democratic and speak democracy but it very seldom acts or lives it.
"Fascism in a pink dress and with a catchy song" is a very good description of Sweden.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 13:42:28Do the feminists in Finland allow you to discuss their views in TV etc?
In reality, they are not that considerable a political force to reckon with. In general they don't get much network time for their agenda apart from in the cultural magazine shows (yes, the cultural elite is exclusively red-green in Finland as well), which really is fringe TV ratings wise.
As foobar mentioned, they try to push for quotas in the boards of private companies and for something they call "wage equality" which is just another word for socialism as that "equality" would not compensate for performance, hours spent, how demanding the task is, or the level of expertise or experience, all of which are self-evident drivers of wage disparity.
Further, now that we no longer have a leftist female president to champion their cause, I'm quite sure that they are looking at more meager times.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 14:22:47The notion that Sweden is some kind of Democratic utopia where everything has to be discussed and then voted for is not true.
I visit Sweden many times a year and I have relatives there - which is the case for most Finns I think - and I feel very much at home in Sweden, at least in the parts which have not been turned into third world hellholes.
Although the Finns and the Swedes are very much alike for obvious historical reasons, there is a clear difference in the male culture between the two countries. In the Finnish male culture (and consequently the society) there is a perception of who possesses fundamental power and who is powerless and that this setup is demonstrated by force if necessary. Thus the weak should have no misconceptions about their weakness. This is (usually) not communicated explicitly but it is clearly present in the undercurrents of both small (for example family) and large (society) scale social interaction. This mentality is not stringent nor generally oppressive, quite the opposite, it has a delicate sense of justice. It does not interfere with the organization of the society testified by the fact that we are extremely organized. However, there is a line that you do not cross without risking your future. Most people and groups in Finland have a reasonably good understanding where this line lies and in the interest of self preservation avoid crossing it. There are several small (numerous family incidents) and large (civil war) scale examples in the history where the line has been tested and the punishment has usually been harsh (loss of life or permanent loss of health). This mentality is inherently incompatible with the new left ideas like radical feminism and third world multiculturalism.
Quote from: Lemmy on 26.12.2012, 14:17:44
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 13:45:52
I really like your answer, extremely finnish, straight forward and strong :)
Yes, we don't "diskutera" much, its "management by perkele". In my former company the Swedes always got upset the Finns wanted a meeting to make a decision, not to discuss.
There is no more time for "diskutera". Especially not in Sweden.
Exactly how did this woman from the Centre-Party think of how to support 40 million people in sweden, no matter what race or nationality they are? I think she is forgetting the latitudes Sweden is located on.
QuoteExactly how did this woman from the Centre-Party think of how to support 40 million people in sweden, no matter what race or nationality they are? I think she is forgetting the latitudes Sweden is located on.
I don't think her forgetting anything. She has no idea but that is not her point. Her interest was to make her name known by suggesting something utterly stupid even if it has devastating effect. It is quite common phoenomenon with leftist-green politics to pursue agenda without slightest chance of success or sense.
In urban and industrialized countries with long tradition of wellfare services provided by state, percentage of voters without any idea of how to make money or work is stabile 10-20 %. These are people who are not only unemployed but proud. And they have made career out of blaming, lying and spending. Politicians like this literally insane centerparty woman are not stupid. They go and advertice literally insane ideas simply because they know their supporters. People who don't think but feel and act on feelings. In Finnish green party there are plenty of equally stupid and irresponsible people who don't mind even a war as long as it has ecological or enviromental aspect.
Quote from: gloaming on 26.12.2012, 15:19:29
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 14:22:47The notion that Sweden is some kind of Democratic utopia where everything has to be discussed and then voted for is not true.
I visit Sweden many times a year and I have relatives there - which is the case for most Finns I think - and I feel very much at home in Sweden, at least in the parts which have not been turned into third world hellholes.
Although the Finns and the Swedes are very much alike for obvious historical reasons, there is a clear difference in the male culture between the two countries. In the Finnish male culture (and consequently the society) there is a perception of who possesses fundamental power and who is powerless and that this setup is demonstrated by force if necessary. Thus the weak should have no misconceptions about their weakness. This is (usually) not communicated explicitly but it is clearly present in the undercurrents of both small (for example family) and large (society) scale social interaction. This mentality is not stringent nor generally oppressive, quite the opposite, it has a delicate sense of justice. It does not interfere with the organization of the society testified by the fact that we are extremely organized. However, there is a line that you do not cross without risking your future. Most people and groups in Finland have a reasonably good understanding where this line lies and in the interest of self preservation avoid crossing it. There are several small (numerous family incidents) and large (civil war) scale examples in the history where the line has been tested and the punishment has usually been harsh (loss of life or permanent loss of health). This mentality is inherently incompatible with the new left ideas like radical feminism and third world multiculturalism.
This post gave me massive insight in finnish culture in a way I have not gotten before, thanks alot!
Quote from: -PPT- on 26.12.2012, 15:54:48
Exactly how did this woman from the Centre-Party think of how to support 40 million people in sweden, no matter what race or nationality they are? I think she is forgetting the latitudes Sweden is located on.
They tell us that we earn money from getting immigrants, they cost a little bit in the beginning but then you make a huge profit. So we would just be extremely wealthy. And the most important thing that they tell us often "There is much room in Sweden."
eer...forum moderator gives you ban for gay-disco related topics. They are tired for the gay related issues as feelings tend to boil over and attacks turn personal insults.
general rule of thumb, all matters gay, ask svensken.... ;)
Quote from: siviilitarkkailija on 26.12.2012, 17:30:13
eer...forum moderator gives you ban for gay-disco related topics. They are tired for the gay related issues as feelings tend to boil over and attacks turn personal insults.
general rule of thumb, all matters gay, ask svensken.... ;)
Interesting, I did not know this. I deleted the post, so this kinds of topics are very infected in Finland?
^ Religions (except sometimes islam), gays, abortion, euthanasia and Ilkka Partanen are the topics to avoid if you want to keep in good terms with the moderators. :-*
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 26.12.2012, 17:55:39
^ Religions (except sometimes islam), gays, abortion, euthanasia and Ilkka Partanen are the topics to avoid if you want to keep in good terms with the moderators. :-*
Well... mandatory Swedish in school is also one. There *can* be reasonable on-topic discussion on these topics (as you've seen), but discussions have a habit of deteriorating quickly...
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 26.12.2012, 17:55:39
^ Religions (except sometimes islam), gays, abortion, euthanasia and Ilkka Partanen are the topics to avoid if you want to keep in good terms with the moderators. :-*
Understood :)
Whats about Ilkka?
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 17:33:12Interesting, I did not know this. I deleted the post, so this kinds of topics are very infected in Finland?
Nah, not really, but we do get our fair share of bigotry from different religious and/or just otherwise ignorant homophobes. The topic itself is hardly interesting these days.
^^ Cannot answer - otherwise I'll be banned!1!! ;D
Quote from: Lemmy on 26.12.2012, 14:16:00
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 14:00:09
Quote from: Lemmy on 26.12.2012, 13:53:29
Guess who owns it?
Sanoma and Bonnier?
Exactly. And Sanoma is owned by Swedish-speaking foundations like Kulturfonden.
Umm no, not really. It isn't. Not unless you stretch the truth pretty creatively.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 17:33:12
Interesting, I did not know this. I deleted the post, so this kinds of topics are very infected in Finland?
You asked if it is possible for gaymen to donate blood in Finland and here is some information in english:
http://www.veripalvelu.fi/www/652
QuoteSex between men prevents blood donation permanently because of the increased risk of hepatitis or HIV infection (number of HIV infections about tenfold compared with population in general).
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 26.12.2012, 18:02:25
^^ Cannot answer - otherwise I'll be banned!1!! ;D
Use YVs! :D
Svensken, you asked does one have to pay for changing sex through hormones and operation. To my knowledge it is free if one has gone through all the psychological inquirys in a special, public institute. That takes about a year in which time one has to meet several doctors and psychiatrists regularly. If one gets positive diagnosis, then the hormone treatment can be started and later an operation can take place. As far as I know, it is free although there could be insignificant, formal and modest payment.
For more information, you can ask here in english..
http://www.transtukipiste.fi/transsupportcenter
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 26.12.2012, 17:55:39
^ Religions (except sometimes islam), gays, abortion, euthanasia and Ilkka Partanen are the topics to avoid if you want to keep in good terms with the moderators. :-*
But to be honest, these are the topics we love to discuss ;D And that's why we sometimes travel to the Banana Islands for a short period of time.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 26.12.2012, 18:09:06
Svensken, you asked does one have to pay for changing sex through hormones and operation. To my knowledge it is free if one has gone through all the psychological inquirys in a special, public institute. That takes about a year in which time one has to meet several doctors and psychiatrists regularly. If one gets positive diagnosis, then the hormone treatment can be started and later an operation can take place. As far as I know, it is free although there could be insignificant, formal and modest payment.
This is a correct impression. The sex change operations are performed exclusively in the public health care. The patient has to pay for part of the meds (up to some 700 Eur annually) and some modest hospital and clinic fees.
Quote from: Emo on 26.12.2012, 18:14:14
But to be honest, these are the topics we love to discuss ;D And that's why we sometimes travel to the Banana Islands for a short period of time.
I have learnt the high art of sitting on my hands when the urge attacks. :-*
Quote from: Emo on 26.12.2012, 18:14:14
"Banana Islands"
= get banned
Actually , there are plenty of expressions which are difficult to understand, if one doesn't have
The Homma-Finnish-dictionary :
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,31.0.html
Sorry, it is only in Finnish and Homma-language :D
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 26.12.2012, 18:22:47
Quote from: Emo on 26.12.2012, 18:14:14
But to be honest, these are the topics we love to discuss ;D And that's why we sometimes travel to the Banana Islands for a short period of time.
I have learnt the high art of sitting on my hands when the urge attacks. :-*
I have not!
I was stupid not to ask directly about what was ok and what was not ok.
There has been not a real debate about it, but there has been news about these questions the recent year so I just wanted to know about the situation in Finland. The homosexual organisation in Sweden is very strange because they love radical islamism.
SD tried to get friends with RFSL (the homo-lobby-group) by stating that radical islamists would not take kindly to people being homosexual in public. Then RFSL answered "We do not accept your racist hollow rhetoric. (The alleged hollow rhetoric was: Radical muslims think its wrong with homosexuality+they might get many=they might hurt you)
(Because I focused on islamism I hope it was ok that I mentioned the swedish gay organisation stand, I will from now not mention things about the topics just described. They can be discussed in private. If I write things not accepted please tell my and I remove it. Living in Sweden you get very good at doing this :) )
Oh please Emo and Asta,
please do not litter yet another thread with pointless chitchat.
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 26.12.2012, 17:55:39
^ Religions (except sometimes islam), gays, abortion, euthanasia and Ilkka Partanen are the topics to avoid if you want to keep in good terms with the moderators. :-*
And the Jews, Svenske, remember to forget them. Jew + media + banking = no no no.
You also mentioned something about how finns might be pissed of about forced swedish language. That is also kind of nono-topic here. So I do tell just that finnswedes suprisingly consider that it is okay.
The discussion of other privileges of the swedish speakers is not so banned. They have for example minimum fixed share for many universities and schools. And they show kind of a joy and glee of this kind of privilege and power over finns.
Not good attitude for equal relations and co-operation.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 17:04:22
They tell us that we earn money from getting immigrants, they cost a little bit in the beginning but then you make a huge profit. So we would just be extremely wealthy. And the most important thing that they tell us often "There is much room in Sweden."
Well this is exactly how finnish idiots are argumenting the benefits of immigration for us.
And wellcome to this site Svenske. Nice to finally meet a healthy minded swede also here.
Quote from: gloaming on 26.12.2012, 18:29:44
Oh please Emo and Asta,
please do not litter yet another thread with pointless chitchat.
Nothing can stop the dynamic duo
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 18:26:41
There has been not a real debate about it, but there has been news about these questions the recent year so I just wanted to know about the situation in Finland. The homosexual organisation in Sweden is very strange because they love radical islamism.
Interest groups - or at least vocal individuals participating in them - tend to be kidnapped by rather radical internationalist socialists (who also play being green and tolerant) not only in Sweden, but also here in Finland. They turn blind eye on hatred of homosexuals, jews and whatnot in muslim immigrants... because they're muslim. It is very strange, but seemingly infectious denialist attitude.
I think in Finland this kind of demeaning or even hateful attitude towards Perussuomalaiset from sexual minorities comes mostly from individuals, not whole organizations. Finns probably have lower tolerance towards PC they recognize to be utter bullshit, and it slows considerably the attempts to make really believe that, for instance, PS would be inherently homophobic.
Quote from: vainukoira on 26.12.2012, 18:33:47And the Jews, Svenske, remember to forget them. Jew + media + banking = no no no.
Well, that usually attracts trolls, true neonazis, old school nazis and holocaust denialists, which would be pointless. You can discuss judaism, zionism and the jews in the context of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
QuoteYou also mentioned something about how finns might be pissed of about forced swedish language. That is also kind of nono-topic here. So I do tell just that finnswedes suprisingly consider that it is okay.
There is a thread of several hundred pages concerning that topic in this forum. It would be fair to assume that anything worth saying has already been said. And we do have our fair share of obsessive-compulsive "krossa tvångssvenskan" cranks in this forum.
What is the background of this forum, how, why and when was is created and what is it's connections/line politicly?
To my experience it is not so easy to get a ticket to the Banana Islands. I have argued about christianity, evolution, existence of God, jews, getting Karelia back, Swedish lanquage etc. and never even been Warned. I try not to insult anybody or get fanatic and so far the moderators seem to think it has been ok. So Svensken, dont be too careful, I dont think u will ever see those islands.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 18:47:58
What is the background of this forum, how, why and when was is created and what is it's connections/line politicly?
I think this started as Jussi Halla-aho's blog's guestbook. This forum is operated by "Homma ry" foundation, and it's not connected to other organizations, AFAIK. The forum is mainly critical of immigration.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 18:47:58
What is the background of this forum, how, why and when was is created and what is it's connections/line politicly?
Hommaforum was founded as a replacement to "blog guestbook" of Jussi Halla-aho, then-blogger, now-member-of-town-board-and-a-member-of-parliament. Original guestbook became pretty crowded and limited for the amount of discussion that was going on. Mr. Halla-aho might be considered to be a protagonist of immigration policy criticism in Finland, "blowing life" to the believable countermovement to blind multiculturalism.
Hommaforum is in many ways pretty open-ended, although obviously the main focus is on immigration policy. It might be easily called the most successful - and maybe also most civilized if not exactly multivocal political discussion forum in Finland.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 17:33:12
Quote from: siviilitarkkailija on 26.12.2012, 17:30:13
eer...forum moderator gives you ban for gay-disco related topics. They are tired for the gay related issues as feelings tend to boil over and attacks turn personal insults.
general rule of thumb, all matters gay, ask svensken.... ;)
Interesting, I did not know this. I deleted the post, so this kinds of topics are very infected in Finland?
Hi, Svensken! Returned from my Christmas vacation few hours ago and was quite pleased to see you here discussing away :)
Yes, there a some restricted topics on this forum. Truth values of religion and atheism, gay issues, the politics concerning Swedish language, Holocaust, Nazis, abortion, euthanasia, for example.
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,59339.0.html
These topics tend to bring out the most emotional sides from everyone and are certain to derail threads whenever they appear, so discussion is restricted, as the focus of this forum is immigration and immigration politics.
Please, do not hesitate to contact me by private message if you have anything to ask.
(blue color anywhere on this forum means moderator speaking officially.)
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 18:47:58What is the background of this forum, how, why and when was is created and what is it's connections/line politicly?
I would say that the background as regards political opinions and affiliations is rather heterogeneous, but there is a common theme of nationalism, pro- national interest and anti- third world immigration. Most people probably vote The Finns (Perussuomalaiset). Well, I don't vote them because in my opinion their views of the economy are too leftist.
Historically this forum is a spin-off of a commentary database of a blog written by a Finnish MP, Jussi Halla-aho.
You have to read Jussi Halla-aho´s scripta, i am not to sure is it only finnish, but lot of same kind of people, wrote old "questbook", and this HommaFoorum was born, becouse old questbook become very popular and it`s get too small to take all information ...what people try to say, ;D
Quote from: gloaming on 26.12.2012, 18:45:20
Quote from: vainukoira on 26.12.2012, 18:33:47And the Jews, Svenske, remember to forget them. Jew + media + banking = no no no.
Well, that usually attracts trolls, true neonazis, old school nazis and holocaust denialists, which would be pointless. You can discuss judaism, zionism and the jews in the context of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
QuoteYou also mentioned something about how finns might be pissed of about forced swedish language. That is also kind of nono-topic here. So I do tell just that finnswedes suprisingly consider that it is okay.
There is a thread of several hundred pages concerning that topic in this forum. It would be fair to assume that anything worth saying has already been said. And we do have our fair share of obsessive-compulsive "krossa tvångssvenskan" cranks in this forum.
Is there still a wanting to get back Karelia, if yes which parts of Karelia?
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 19:07:30Is there still a wanting to get back Karelia, if yes which parts of Karelia?
I have no interests in Karelia but people of Karelian descent may have different ideas.
Not a hot topic in Finnish politics.
Quote from: mustaviis on 26.12.2012, 19:05:19
You have to read Jussi Halla-aho´s scripta, i am not to sure is it only finnish, but lot of same kind of people, wrote old "questbook", and this HommaFoorum was born, becouse old questbook become very popular and it`s get too small to take all information ...what people try to say, ;D
Note to the (foreign) reader: automatic translation is poor tool for understanding nuanced irony, sarcasm, political and cultural references. Texts of Mr. Halla-aho are rife with them, as only way to observe most developed multiculturalist absurdities is to mix them with sufficient amount of humour that arises from reality vs. dogma disparity.
Quote from: Miniluv on 26.12.2012, 18:59:14
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 17:33:12
Quote from: siviilitarkkailija on 26.12.2012, 17:30:13
eer...forum moderator gives you ban for gay-disco related topics. They are tired for the gay related issues as feelings tend to boil over and attacks turn personal insults.
general rule of thumb, all matters gay, ask svensken.... ;)
Interesting, I did not know this. I deleted the post, so this kinds of topics are very infected in Finland?
Hi, Svensken! Returned from my Christmas vacation few hours ago and was quite pleased to see you here discussing away :)
Yes, there a some restricted topics on this forum. Truth values of religion and atheism, gay issues, the politics concerning Swedish language, Holocaust, Nazis, abortion, euthanasia, for example.
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,59339.0.html
These topics tend to bring out the most emotional sides from everyone and are certain to derail threads whenever they appear, so discussion is restricted, as the focus of this forum is immigration and immigration politics.
Please, do not hesitate to contact me by private message if you have anything to ask.
(blue color anywhere on this forum means moderator speaking officially.)
Thanks for the welcome!
I will do my best not to say things not accepted in this forum, if I do just tell me. I will also do my best to contact you if I have any questions.
I am getting more and more interested in this Jussi Halla-aho, is he ever active on the forum?
Quote from: mustaviis on 26.12.2012, 19:05:19
You have to read Jussi Halla-aho´s scripta, i am not to sure is it only finnish, but lot of same kind of people, wrote old "questbook", and this HommaFoorum was born, becouse old questbook become very popular and it`s get too small to take all information ...what people try to say, ;D
Quickly searching, there have been some attempts to translate Mr. Halla-aho's texts into Swedish:
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,41487.0.html
This explain something. Homma-forum writers poll; Which party would you vote for if government would fall now?
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,63438.msg866776.html#msg866776
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 19:13:32I am getting more and more interested in this Jussi Halla-aho, is he ever active on the forum?
Rarely. IRL he is rather uncharismatic but his texts are quite humorous and primed to offend if you entertain certain ideological views. I guess it is fair to say that he ignited the modern critical discussion on third world immigration while this forum provided the final impetus that made immigration a major topic in Finnish politics.
We used to be more serious and formal those days whereas now we are just a regular popular message board. Some say it's evolution, some say it's degeneration.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 19:07:30
Is there still a wanting to get back Karelia, if yes which parts of Karelia?
Well Karjala as whole. And also Salla, Petsamo and the Islands of the Finnish Gulf.
Petsamo would give the right for Arctic sea oil and gas.
Watch this map.
http://www.luovutettukarjala.fi/
Quote from: vainukoira on 26.12.2012, 19:25:20
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 19:07:30
Is there still a wanting to get back Karelia, if yes which parts of Karelia?
Well Karjala as whole. And also Salla, Petsamo and the Islands of the Finnish Gulf.
Petsamo would give the right for Arctic sea oil and gas.
Watch this map.
http://www.luovutettukarjala.fi/
"Fjärrkarelen"(Far-karelia, Olonets/Aunus) also?
Yes, Nickel mines and the Artic resources :)
Here is a gift from Sweden, this years Lucia celebration. And in the end there is a clip from Finland also to show the difference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akv9L9GysJU
The film has been banned many times for "hate-speech". If you get what in the clip that could be defined as that please enlighten me. :)
Quote from: gloaming on 26.12.2012, 19:24:19
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 19:13:32I am getting more and more interested in this Jussi Halla-aho, is he ever active on the forum?
Rarely. IRL he is rather uncharismatic but his texts are quite humorous and primed to offend if you entertain certain ideological views.
There was once a plan to translate the best ones of Jussi's texts to Swedish and/or English. Anyone know something about it?
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 19:32:39
Here is a gift from Sweden, this years Lucia celebration. And in the end there is a clip from Finland also to show the difference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akv9L9GysJU
The film has been banned many times for "hate-speech". If you get what in the clip that could be defined as that please enlighten me. :)
Yeah, we are familiar with this episode. There is a humorous Finnish web site dedicated to Nordic multicultural issues: www.rahmispossu.net
I guess the reference to "skogsturken" in the heading might be considered offending ;).
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 19:30:09
Quote from: vainukoira on 26.12.2012, 19:25:20
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 19:07:30
Is there still a wanting to get back Karelia, if yes which parts of Karelia?
Well Karjala as whole. And also Salla, Petsamo and the Islands of the Finnish Gulf.
Petsamo would give the right for Arctic sea oil and gas.
Watch this map.
http://www.luovutettukarjala.fi/
"Fjärrkarelen"(Far-karelia, Olonets/Aunus) also?
Yes, Nickel mines and the Artic resources :)
My ear would say someone wanting "Karelia back" would want back the areas given to Russia after Winter War.
Anyway, there was a poll here and
43% 35% did not feel "Karelia" worth taking back even if it was given free.
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,63430.msg866596.html#msg866596
Should there be an english section for foreign visitors? And restrictions to foreign language debate.
Imagine all intelligent or less, swedish people discover homma a place to relatively safely and freely express their real opinions? Homma will be overrun or what Svenske thinks?
Quote from: Miniluv on 26.12.2012, 19:48:43
Anyway, there was a poll here and 43% would not feel "Karelia" worth taking back even if it was given free.
35.2 per cent. 52.5 per cent would take it back for free. :-*
^ Yeah, it's 43 individual votes.
Quote from: gloaming on 26.12.2012, 18:59:48
Historically this forum is a spin-off of a commentary database of a blog written by a Finnish MP, Jussi Halla-aho.
This is true. Vieraskirja or "Guestbook" was technically like single thread of this forum, only five times longer than any on this forum now :D
Timeline for Hommaforum (in Finnish, not updated recently):
http://cms.hommaforum.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=237&Itemid=53
First there was Vieraskirja. After that, the most successful successor site became Hommaforum in December 2008. After that, Homma ry ("Homma Registered Association") was founded by founders of Hommaforum.
Hommaforum is unaligned when it comes to party politics. Muutos 2011/"Change 2011" has been mentioned. It is registered political party, and its party platform (national interest of Finland to guide Finnish politics, direct democracy, freedom of speech, stricter immigration politics) was first discused here at Hommaforum. Registering a party requires 5000 signed cards of support, and most of activists collecting these cards were probably from Homma.
Hommaforum is run by volunteers and financed by donations.
QuoteThere was once a plan to translate the best ones of Jussi's texts to Swedish and/or English. Anyone know something about it?
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,41487.0.html
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 19:13:32
I am getting more and more interested in this Jussi Halla-aho, is he ever active on the forum?
With a history of 2925 posted messages I'd say Mr. Halla-aho is an active member. Other active members of parliament at Homma are James Hirvisaari, Olli Immonen and Juho Eerola, all from The Finns Party.
e: James's family name corrected.
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 26.12.2012, 20:17:18
Other active members of parliament at Homma are James Hirvivaara, Olli Immonen and Juho Eerola, all from The Finns Party.
YM. James Hirvisaari.
Quote from: siviilitarkkailija on 26.12.2012, 19:53:01
Should there be an english section for foreign visitors? And restrictions to foreign language debate.
Imagine all intelligent or less, swedish people discover homma a place to relatively safely and freely express their real opinions? Homma will be overrun or what Svenske thinks?
I just want to say that I don't think there is a big risk of you being over run with foreigners. Most sweds hang out at Flashback.org, there are 720.000 users there and they discuss everything. The forum even won the big journalist price recently.
There are many places on the forum were immigration is discussed. All the subjects that were banned here are though debated there very actively and energetic. Maybe not the language issue in Finland though ;)
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 19:32:39
Here is a gift from Sweden, this years Lucia celebration. And in the end there is a clip from Finland also to show the difference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akv9L9GysJU
The film has been banned many times for "hate-speech". If you get what in the clip that could be defined as that please enlighten me. :)
That blond finnish Lucia is that hate-speech.
Quote from: Miniluv on 26.12.2012, 20:01:44
Quote from: gloaming on 26.12.2012, 18:59:48
Historically this forum is a spin-off of a commentary database of a blog written by a Finnish MP, Jussi Halla-aho.
This is true. Vieraskirja or "Guestbook" was technically like single thread of this forum, only five times longer than any on this forum now :D
Timeline for Hommaforum (in Finnish, not updated recently):
http://cms.hommaforum.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=237&Itemid=53
First there was Vieraskirja. After that, the most successful successor site became Hommaforum in December 2008. After that, Homma ry ("Homma Registered Association") was founded by founders of Hommaforum.
Hommaforum is unaligned when it comes to party politics. Muutos 2011/"Change 2011" has been mentioned. It is registered political party, and its party platform (national interest of Finland to guide Finnish politics, direct democracy, freedom of speech, stricter immigration politics) was first discused here at Hommaforum. Registering a party requires 5000 signed cards of support, and most of activists collecting these cards were probably from Homma.
Hommaforum is run by volunteers and financed by donations.
Thanks for the information!
Its really impressive that you managed to form a new political party. In Sweden you just have to register with the election comity. How many smaller nationalist parties are there in Finland?
In Sweden there use to be quite many radical groups, now there are just one or two of that, do you have any in Finland?
Last, I, and many other sweds, have wondered for a long time. Is this man for real and has he an organisation?(I know this might be a bit rude to ask but I know doze of people in Sweden who have wondered about this man for a long time.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZRHj-wO-s
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 20:30:41Most sweds hang out at Flashback.org, there are 720.000 users there and they discuss everything. The forum even won the big journalist price recently.
That's where I usually check what the Swedish main stream media left out.
QuoteAll the subjects that were banned here are though debated there very actively and energetic.
Well, all those topics have been discussed here (and elsewhere in the Finnish social media). Let's just say the moderation here feels that all that is worth saying has already been said and that all that's left is the unproductive ranting.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 21:01:30Last, I, and many other sweds, have wondered for a long time. Is this man for real and has he an organisation?(I know this might be a bit rude to ask but I know doze of people in Sweden who have wondered about this man for a long time.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZRHj-wO-s
He (the guy in the video) has been dead since 2003, if he is who I think he is.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 21:01:30
Thanks for the information!
Its really impressive that you managed to form a new political party. In Sweden you just have to register with the election comity. How many smaller nationalist parties are there in Finland?
In Sweden there use to be quite many radical groups, now there are just one or two of that, do you have any in Finland?
Last, I, and many other sweds, have wondered for a long time. Is this man for real and has he an organisation?(I know this might be a bit rude to ask but I know doze of people in Sweden who have wondered about this man for a long time.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZRHj-wO-s
This film must be some joke or anti-Finland (anti-PS-party) propaganda or something like that. Or some sick person?
And it's not true that " Vi hade inte klarat oss under vinterkriget utan Sveriges utmärkta hjälp". This is a lie. Do swedish people really think that they helped Finland so significantly?
Quote from: gloaming on 26.12.2012, 21:08:45
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 21:01:30Last, I, and many other sweds, have wondered for a long time. Is this man for real and has he an organisation?(I know this might be a bit rude to ask but I know doze of people in Sweden who have wondered about this man for a long time.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZRHj-wO-s
He (the guy in the video) has been dead since 2003, if he is who I think he is.
You think that man is Pekka Siitoin? Perhaps he is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pekka_Siitoin
QuoteTimo Pekka Olavi Siitoin (May 20, 1944 – December 8, 2003) was an occultist and a neo-Nazi from Naantali, Finland.
QuoteA documentary film called Sieg Heil Suomi has been made about the Neo-Nazi activities led by Siitoin and Väinö Kuisma.
Perhaps that YouTube film was part of "Sieg Heil Suomi"?
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 21:01:30Last, I, and many other sweds, have wondered for a long time. Is this man for real and has he an organisation?(I know this might be a bit rude to ask but I know doze of people in Sweden who have wondered about this man for a long time.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZRHj-wO-s
The guy was maybe a village idiot.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 21:01:30How many smaller nationalist parties are there in Finland?
In Sweden there use to be quite many radical groups, now there are just one or two of that, do you have any in Finland?
There are two or three small parties or would-be parties with a nationalist agenda at the moment depending on the definition.
I don't think there is a real extreme right (or extreme left for that matter) scene worth mentioning currently in Finland. Some people might disagree.
Men i alla fall har det varit trevligt att prata med dig. Utan tvivel ska du hitta källor (http://www.adlibris.com/se/product.aspx?isbn=9515229081) som påstår att det är
vi som utgör extremhögern i Finland just nu. Vilken "sanning" du tycker är bäst måste du förståss avgöra själv.
Trevlig fortsättning och ha ett framgångsrikt nytt år.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 21:01:30
How many smaller nationalist parties are there in Finland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Finland
These parties have gathered the 5000 signed cards required. Outside Parliament, I'd say Vapauspuolue (Freedom Party) and Itsenäisyyspuolue are nationalist (and Muutos, of course). Vapauspuolue is in serious internal turmoil.
Quote
In Sweden there use to be quite many radical groups, now there are just one or two of that, do you have any in Finland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Resistance_Movement
Plus some non-sane individuals and websites.
Of course, according to a report endorsed by Swedish Ministry of Justice Hommaforum itself is also extremist and far-right :D
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,78099.msg1193848.html#msg1193848
http://www.strategicdialogue.org/FarRightEM.pdf
QuoteThe best-known right-wing extremist
websites are Hommaforum8 and the anti-Islam and
counter-Jihad Tundratabloids.
They just seem ready to use any negative label.
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 26.12.2012, 21:30:26
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 21:01:30Last, I, and many other sweds, have wondered for a long time. Is this man for real and has he an organisation?(I know this might be a bit rude to ask but I know doze of people in Sweden who have wondered about this man for a long time.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZRHj-wO-s
The guy was maybe a village idiot.
Pekka Siitoin was an eccentric show man, self made actor, drunkard, occultist, writer and artist, who turned his own life into a non stop performance making fun of those who took him seriously enjoying all the attention he could get. For decades he played his nazi role with his village idiot friends. He used to walk around his home town wearing some kind of nazi gear. When he had a child, he attached a swastika flag on his baby's pram. He was on TV, he made many home videos about their drunken "nazi meetings", he published own books, for example "Musta magia - Svart magi" and he presented himself as the "Führer of Finland".
Quote from: Emo on 26.12.2012, 21:27:27
Quote from: gloaming on 26.12.2012, 21:08:45
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 21:01:30Last, I, and many other sweds, have wondered for a long time. Is this man for real and has he an organisation?(I know this might be a bit rude to ask but I know doze of people in Sweden who have wondered about this man for a long time.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZRHj-wO-s
He (the guy in the video) has been dead since 2003, if he is who I think he is.
You think that man is Pekka Siitoin? Perhaps he is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pekka_Siitoin
QuoteTimo Pekka Olavi Siitoin (May 20, 1944 – December 8, 2003) was an occultist and a neo-Nazi from Naantali, Finland.
QuoteA documentary film called Sieg Heil Suomi has been made about the Neo-Nazi activities led by Siitoin and Väinö Kuisma.
Perhaps that YouTube film was part of "Sieg Heil Suomi"?
I think its the guy :D Thanks so much, no I will stop asking questions for a while.
But I will be here answering all your questions about the situation in sweden. :)
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 22:15:35
I think its the guy :D Thanks so much, no I will stop asking questions for a while.
But I will be here answering all your questions about the situation in sweden. :)
It's ok you asking questions, no problems. I didn't know much about Pekka Siitoin before that but now I know how he looked like, and that he was occultist :(
Svensken,
I have a question for you that I hope you could answer.
In the following the term naziphobia is to be considered an overwhelming emotion of disgust when someone criticizes groups of foreign origin, their habits or beliefs or the way they are seen in public. As other phobias it is not based on real world threats, but is a reflex deeply rooted in the collective mind. Like certain groups had become sanctified.
Why is it, that the idea of any problems caused by immigration seems to be an absolute tabu in Sweden? More so than in any other country I'm familiar with. The naziphobia is present in all West European countries at least, but why is it that it holds such a steely grip on Sweden? It seems strange, since I see the Swedes as open minded people who are able to discuss about anything and who try to put them selves in the shoes of the other person as well. Yet there is this huge blind spot when it comes to immigration and certain cultures where the reflex kicks in. And nobody calls the bull shit.
Sweden hasn't even had any first hand contact with a totalitarian regime neither running the country nor trying to invade it - not even directly collaborating with one. In that sense it is almost unique in Europe. The phobia can't rise from bad personal experience and yet the fear of nazis seems so omnipresent in PC Sweden. Or is this just my imagination? So, why Sweden?
Quote from: Miniluv on 26.12.2012, 21:50:04
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 21:01:30
How many smaller nationalist parties are there in Finland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Finland
These parties have gathered the 5000 signed cards required. Outside Parliament, I'd say Vapauspuolue (Freedom Party) and Itsenäisyyspuolue are nationalist (and Muutos, of course). Vapauspuolue is in serious internal turmoil.
Quote
In Sweden there use to be quite many radical groups, now there are just one or two of that, do you have any in Finland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Resistance_Movement
Plus some non-sane individuals and websites.
Of course, according to a report endorsed by Swedish Ministry of Justice Hommaforum itself is also extremist and far-right :D
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,78099.msg1193848.html#msg1193848
http://www.strategicdialogue.org/FarRightEM.pdf
QuoteThe best-known right-wing extremist
websites are Hommaforum8 and the anti-Islam and
counter-Jihad Tundratabloids.
They just seem ready to use any negative label.
The swedish definition of radical right is to be critical of mass immigration. So in that way they smear you following their own set of logic at least. Of course it is ridiculous but they do that so they don't need to take a serious debate about the mass immigration, because they cant.
The Swedish immigration minister Erik Ullenhag used the government's own homepage for writing very strange and stupid things. He called it "Ten myths about immigration and minorities" http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/2279/a/181576
For example he tries to debunk the myth #1 of "There is an on going mass immigration" with the brilliant argument: "This myth is based on the assumption that there are sweds and other people. But when people comes here they eventually becomes sweds and now there are only 15% non sweds in the country and it wont be more than 18% 2050."
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 20:25:02
<snip> the demographic situation and that is something you can make a quite ok estimation about the future. And by this information Sweden is so fast transforming and the clear majority of sweds are extremely brainwashed and the media and schools will make this stay for another 15-30 years which is what is demanded for total change of the country.
This. Trend extrapolation works unless something changes. What does it take for the demographic trends (3rd world immigration in particular) to change in Sweden? Whatever it is, the powers that be obviously want the current trends to go on. And if they do go on, extrapolation results are valid: total change of the country.
Someone's generally got to be the canary in the coalmine. Hopefullly our society really will learn from the mistakes made by others. What
Svensken is doing by coming here will help.
Svensken, välkommen och tack för vad du har skrivit!
Quote from: Ruckafella on 26.12.2012, 22:27:03
Svensken,
I have a question for you that I hope you could answer.
In the following the term naziphobia is to be considered an overwhelming emotion of disgust when someone criticizes groups of foreign origin, their habits or beliefs or the way they are seen in public. As other phobias it is not based on real world threats, but is a reflex deeply rooted in the collective mind. Like certain groups had become sanctified.
Why is it, that the idea of any problems caused by immigration seems to be an absolute tabu in Sweden? More so than in any other country I'm familiar with. The naziphobia is present in all West European countries at least, but why is it that it holds such a steely grip on Sweden? It seems strange, since I see the Swedes as open minded people who are able to discuss about anything and who try to put them selves in the shoes of the other person as well. Yet there is this huge blind spot when it comes to immigration and certain cultures where the reflex kicks in. And nobody calls the bull shit.
Sweden hasn't even had any first hand contact with a totalitarian regime neither running the country nor trying to invade it - not even directly collaborating with one. In that sense it is almost unique in Europe. The phobia can't rise from bad personal experience and yet the fear of nazis seems so omnipresent in PC Sweden. Or is this just my imagination? So, why Sweden?
I have discussed this many times and in length with many of my friends and we came up with a conclusion based on our experiences and our analysis of this country and it's people.
From 1950s and until 2000 Sweden were ruled by the Social Democrats. They were they state, the state was us and we were all in some parts strongly influenced or even members of the all mighty Party. The Swedish state took about 60-90% of your money and gave it back in different ways. Because of people only thinking of the 30-60% that was income tax people were delighted with every thing the state provided at the same time as the situation for the ordinary workers got i better as well. This created an enormous loyalty and good will towards the state. We are in general brought up with a warm cosy feel when thinking about the state.
About 80% of all workers were in labour unions and the biggest labour union LO had a forced membership for all to the Social Democrats. 1990 the Party had 1.034 000
members. The SAP(Socialdemokratiska Arbetare Partiet) really ruled it all. From the 80s they really started the indoctrination about immigrants.
In this they used much from the second world war. All sweds got to know that racists, which meant not liking immigrants, were very much like Hitler and the nazis. I remember my self teachers screaming to other classmates who did not "express them self the right way". They often talked about the mass killings during the war and how it was the same way of thinking and talking about "us" and "them" and criticising the immigration.
There were in many places lots of concerts, youth camps, organisations, TV-shows and loads of literature and films depicting the poor and humble immigrant who got attacked by the evil white racists. We all learned to hate the racists and to learn that it was right to fight them. Even if you did not beat them or so you did not complain when organisations like AFA did. The left wing violence against all forms of "racism" were the same as protecting humanity and many of us saw the pictures in our heads of small children that were killed by the Germans during the war and felt bottomless hatred against the people who wanted to commit those act again.
As the immigration went from controlled to massively and uncontrolled people that grew up like this also started questioning the situation. But still very many, maby most, of people that grew up during these years still have this way of thinking. They feel disgust for the "racist" and wants him to stop "hating" and if he will not stop he should be silenced.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 22:27:29
The Swedish immigration minister Erik Ullenhag used the government's own homepage for writing very strange and stupid things. He called it "Ten myths about immigration and minorities" http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/2279/a/181576
I think those "ten Myths" and their "debunking" has been laughed at here in a thread or two. I don't recall if we ever addressed Ullenhagen's debunkings, but some Finnish greenleft site had published the same, and I think they got it 6-0.... can't seem to find it now.
Also, we have made here a powerpoint show "myths about immigration" http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,18528.0.html
That has the facts and shows the truth about "humanitarian" cases and where the money goes. Also, there is a separate area for the "standard arguments" of multiculturalists and debunking them.
No wonder the Swedish ministry is so afraid ;D
QuoteWhat Svensken is doing by coming here will help.
We talked way back about "Homma in English" - one Svensken is easy, but if we get his friends to join in, then we might need to write a bit more in the 3rd domestic.
Quote from: hkanime on 26.12.2012, 23:33:40
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 26.12.2012, 22:08:44
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 26.12.2012, 21:30:26
Quote from: Svensken on 26.12.2012, 21:01:30Last, I, and many other sweds, have wondered for a long time. Is this man for real and has he an organisation?(I know this might be a bit rude to ask but I know doze of people in Sweden who have wondered about this man for a long time.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZRHj-wO-s
The guy was maybe a village idiot.
Pekka Siitoin was an eccentric show man, self made actor, drunkard, occultist, writer and artist, who turned his own life into a non stop performance making fun of those who took him seriously enjoying all the attention he could get. For decades he played his nazi role with his village idiot friends. He used to walk around his home town wearing some kind of nazi gear. When he had a child, he attached a swastika flag on his baby's pram. He was on TV, he made many home videos about their drunken "nazi meetings", he published own books, for example "Musta magia - Svart magi" and he presented himself as the "Führer of Finland".
I might add that the finnish "nazi party" he supposedly was the leader of actually showed up in that video too. At the end of the clip you can see pretty much the entire party (3 people) in a meeting room on the boat to Sweden (or Tallinn perhaps). Not a particularely influential political movement. :D
The KDP was not an actual, registered party. After the Continuation War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War), Finland was forced to ban fascist and racist organizations, and the ban is actually still existing. Siitoin's party would probably have been liquefied by the authorities if it was an official foundation.
By the way, some kind of far-leftists said a while ago that the True Finns party should also be abolished according to the ban.
I wonder if The Finns-party were only eurosceptic and not known for their criticism of immigration-policy, would the MSM bother to go to the lengths they have gone to discredit them at every turn. However, it must be admitted that as the party has grown so rapidly many of its representatives are very inexperient even at the local level politics not to mention national politics. That's why it is inevitable that some really embarassing people have becoming well-known in the media for their fooling around.
Hey Svensken! Nice to have you here and thanks for sharing your insights on the developments in Sweden.
I´m in a slight hurry and haven´t had time to read through the whole thread so if my question has already been asked and answered go ahead and skip it. I have inquired this very same thing from several other Swedes recently, but I would like to hear your opinion as well.
How do regular everyday Swedes feel about the political climate that is dominating their country? What about the absurd social engineering that is going on whether it be radical feminism, multiculturalism etc? Is it so that beneath the seemingly tolerant surface the majority of Swedes are boiling and embittered or is it possible that people really approve of what is happening in their country? If the majority indeed is unhappy with how things are run how is it possible that the status quo isn´t challenged more vigorously? I know how suffocating and controlling social democracy can be, but things are already getting so bad that you would think people would finally wake up in alarm and act with more energy!
Ahem, to put my above question(s) short: we know what the political elite´s agendas are, but how do the common people truly feel deep down in their hearts?
Finnish Nazi Party was just a bad joke but stupid leftists don't have any sense of humor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETx-nbR7iNo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPfyg84I9U
Quote from: Lemmy on 27.12.2012, 00:09:22
I think those "ten Myths" and their "debunking" has been laughed at here in a thread or two. I don't recall if we ever addressed Ullenhagen's debunkings, but some Finnish greenleft site had published the same, and I think they got it 6-0.... can't seem to find it now.
2011-11-30 Ruotsin hallitus ja 13 myyttiä maahanmuutosta (http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,63658.msg877193.html#msg877193)
It was just in Helsingin Sanomat news that Syrians are invading Södertälje. 45% of inhabitants are foreign-based. Can Södertälje provide future for these thousands of people - jobs, education, social services..? Insane Swedish immigration laws allow "new swedes" to settle where they want to with no limitation or policy of immigrant distribution inside the country.
Quote from: asaura on 26.12.2012, 22:29:07
Quote from: Svensken on 25.12.2012, 20:25:02
<snip> the demographic situation and that is something you can make a quite ok estimation about the future. And by this information Sweden is so fast transforming and the clear majority of sweds are extremely brainwashed and the media and schools will make this stay for another 15-30 years which is what is demanded for total change of the country.
This. Trend extrapolation works unless something changes. What does it take for the demographic trends (3rd world immigration in particular) to change in Sweden? Whatever it is, the powers that be obviously want the current trends to go on. And if they do go on, extrapolation results are valid: total change of the country.
Someone's generally got to be the canary in the coalmine. Hopefullly our society really will learn from the mistakes made by others. What Svensken is doing by coming here will help. Svensken, välkommen och tack för vad du har skrivit!
For the trend to change: 1. Immigration would have to stop, 2. Immigrant thats here would have to go back and 3. Sweds got to get more children. Even if the immigration would stop today and stay stopped there would still happen a demographic change. Because of the huge segregation all immigrants born here would not just "become sweds". Immigrant would only go home if there were enough incentives and I think this would have to be a collapse of the welfare system and increased antagonism in Sweden. Sweds are today very influenced by the notion of "doing career" and "live your life to the fullest". In this notion there is little or any place for children. Maybe one, or maybe two but very seldom more than that. Immigrants more have the notion of "living while young and then get a family with many children 3+".
Thanks for the nice words, I really hope this will make you more motivated to change your country. Your have not yet been overrun by immigrants and PS got almost 20% in the parliament- and commune-election. Even if you dont like politics, join a party that lies close to you and work as much as you can to gain more influence. I promise you, if Finland would turn into a Sweden you will hate your self for not having tried.
Quote from: Marko M on 27.12.2012, 01:06:40
Finnish Nazi Party was just a bad joke but stupid leftists don't have any sense of humor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETx-nbR7iNo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPfyg84I9U
Looks like a drunk finnish joke gone to far...
Its really nice to get the knowledge about this man on the "Finlandsfärja".
A vizard of black magic, an actor, führer of Finland and totally crazy. I wonder what his children thinks of it all today...
^^ Hear, hear! :)
Dear forum members, please sign and spread the law initiative to stop giving cash to refugees (their needs are met with food, shelter, medical care, language training, etc., but not with cash which is one of the main reasons the "asylum shoppers" are drawn to Finland):
https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/fi/aloite/42
Quote from: Roope on 27.12.2012, 02:02:05
2011-11-30 Ruotsin hallitus ja 13 myyttiä maahanmuutosta (http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,63658.msg877193.html#msg877193)
Aaah, no wonder, too many arguments :D
So, Svensken, if you dare to googletrate that to English (or Swedish) it might give some insight of the "hompanzees"... usually translation from Finnish doesn't make the eyes bleed.
^ http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/2279/a/181576
It's already there på svenska.
Yes, nazifuhrer Pekka Siitoin is not real fuhrer, but prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt is real :-\
Quote from: Spesialisti on 27.12.2012, 02:15:57
It was just in Helsingin Sanomat news that Syrians are invading Södertälje. 45% of inhabitants are foreign-based. Can Södertälje provide future for these thousands of people - jobs, education, social services..? Insane Swedish immigration laws allow "new swedes" to settle where they want to with no limitation or policy of immigrant distribution inside the country.
Södertälje took in more Iraqis than the whole of USA and Canada together. No, there is chaos in Södertälje. The commune is publicly known to be semi-controlled by the syrian maffia. Our police chief stated this on SVT some years ago. She said that the "police no longer control the commune and we need help that's not available."
Quote from: Rändöm on 27.12.2012, 00:47:30
Hey Svensken! Nice to have you here and thanks for sharing your insights on the developments in Sweden.
I´m in a slight hurry and haven´t had time to read through the whole thread so if my question has already been asked and answered go ahead and skip it. I have inquired this very same thing from several other Swedes recently, but I would like to hear your opinion as well.
How do regular everyday Swedes feel about the political climate that is dominating their country? What about the absurd social engineering that is going on whether it be radical feminism, multiculturalism etc? Is it so that beneath the seemingly tolerant surface the majority of Swedes are boiling and embittered or is it possible that people really approve of what is happening in their country? If the majority indeed is unhappy with how things are run how is it possible that the status quo isn´t challenged more vigorously? I know how suffocating and controlling social democracy can be, but things are already getting so bad that you would think people would finally wake up in alarm and act with more energy!
Ahem, to put my above question(s) short: we know what the political elite´s agendas are, but how do the common people truly feel deep down in their hearts?
Regular sweds feel different things of course but most of us, even if we love the new Sweden or not feel that there is huge tension and polarisation. There is very hard for people of different opinions in this matter to talk without it going out of hand. Sweds in general don't like "dålig stämning"(Bad vibes) that can come from any kind of conflict or argument but these questions make most sweds very uncomfortable.
As I told you in a long answer earlier on this page the SAP(Social Democrats) had enormous power and they pushed for all these things during their reign. All the good will and all the trust that they had build up in people were used to make them accept these sick changes of society. We all wanted to believe that they were telling us the truth. Otherwise the whole society would be a gigantic deceiving and sinister machine, not many (or even my self) wanted to think this could be the case.
The older generation that are soon going into retirement are quite comfortable with the situation. Many of them are old 68-people wanting to push for all kinds of lunatic things. Even if they never got Maoism the got sexual revolutions, radical feminism and multiculturalism. Many of these will die before the society they created will crumble for real and while they are alive they will happily by immigrants for cleaning, repairing and going to exotic restaurants. These are to rich and not caring to be bothered by group rapes, killings, burning etc.
The younger people are more angry and frustrated. Many lack jobs even though they have big student loans that they took with the illusion of the al mighty Swedish state being strong and good forever. These have also been beaten, raped and seen how immigrants take their jobs by getting 80% of their salaries paid by the state(search for "Nystartsjobb"). These people now days turn to the alternative media like Avpixlat, Fria tider or even more radical ones. Many people also discuss on flashback and try to comment on news paper etc. Most of the media in sweden have now banned commentator function on their pages because of the notorious "Net-hate". This is something that is discuss much on TV and Radio, how to halt the "Net-hate" and how to fight "the evil white men who are behind it".
Sweden is today a deeply sick society, it's a ship that is sinking down in the cold darkness. As I said before, even if I and many with me will try to help the situation there is very little hope.
"Ne jyrää meitin". This is a well-known quote from the novel Tuntematon sotilas (The Unknown Soldier). It is a shout from a soldier in near panic "They (the Russians) are going to run over us with tanks". I think taking part in the Second World War gave Finns a reminder - still living in national consciousness - that losing ones country is an actual possibility.
Do you feel the long period of peace Sweden has experienced has played any part in the multicultural madness you have going on?
Based on your discussions with other sane swedes, it would be interesting to know what do you think:
a) Could native population loose its political majority for immigrants?
b) If so, when do you think that could happen?
c) Has there been any extremist demands to change Sweden society and what kind of changes those would be (minarets,mosques, sharia)?
Quote from: Miniluv on 27.12.2012, 12:20:10
"Ne jyrää meitin". This is a well-known quote from the novel Tuntematon sotilas (The Unknown Soldier). It is a shout from a soldier in near panic "They (the Russians) are going to run over us with tanks". I think taking part in the Second World War gave Finns a reminder - still living in national consciousness - that losing ones country is an actual possibility.
Do you feel the long period of peace Sweden has experienced has played any part in the multicultural madness you have going on?
I think the long time of peace and the Social Democrat propaganda have made many people incapable of seeing, understanding and acting against problems. Today it's even broadly discussed that "problems" mostly has to do with your attitude towards them. So if you don't perceive them as problems they will go away.
Sweds are in general very detached from life. Hardship, death and horrible things are not something talked about or handled in the general public. So you seems very much like a annoying person that creates "Dålig stämning" is you talk about real problems with the sweds.
Quote from: Tuju on 27.12.2012, 12:22:57
Based on your discussions with other sane swedes, it would be interesting to know what do you think:
a) Could native population loose its political majority for immigrants?
b) If so, when do you think that could happen?
c) Has there been any extremist demands to change Sweden society and what kind of changes those would be (minarets,mosques, sharia)?
a) Absolutly, SCB(State statistics) tell us we will be 10.000 000 around 2018(http://www.scb.se/Pages/Article____341158.aspx)
I would say around 5-6 million of these will be sweds.
b) If the current trend continuous there will surely be a shift around 2025. This is though predictions, but they are very probable. There are three elections until then and the likeliness that all the sweds would turn to SD is very low because of what I described about indoctrination and brainwashing.
c) Mosques are being constructed all the time, many churches are actually converted in to mosques. There has been claims to start sharia courts like the ones they have in britain. Minarets are now having the right to call to pray, but not five times a day.
Has there been talk about white flight and if so, what are the most preferred countries to move?
Quote from: Tuju on 27.12.2012, 12:41:28
Has there been talk about white flight and if so, what are the most preferred countries to move?
Among friend of course, but in the media there are only talks about the evil sweds moving away from what is perceived as "bad areas". It would really not look good to the general public if healthy, productive families left Sweden and this were shown on TV and in papers.
Countries being discussed are many and few. There are almost no western countries where not "Ne jyrää meitin". Some speak of northen Noway, Åland, Iceland others of warm countries like South america. But no one I know is serious in this discussions. We will probably go down with the ship. Friends, family and work binds us here.
Are you looking for new king Gustav Vasa. Man who liberated and turned Sweden into power and naturally acted as bully monster to those who opposed him...
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholms_blodbad
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Vasa
That is to say if history is to repeat itself, Swedish people will rise, but not after huge loss of life.
I haven't read everything, so excuse me if you already talked about this.
What do you think is basically so wrong with Sweden, to make it capable of one if not the most irrational, horrible and self-hating form of multiculturalistic fascism? What do you think is the most deep problem behind all these symptoms of Swedish self-racism and even genocidal attitude against its own native people and culture? Is it as Miniluv suggests, that Sweden enjoyed so long peace time that they forgot and denied some basic realities of life?
Is the disaster of Sweden also related with the fact that Sweden is linquistically germanic country, and therefore vulnerable to misuse of nazi-card to make Swedes shame and hate themselves?
And what is the role of Swedish Democrats? Why have they failed so completely in their resistance, that after so many years of suffering under oppression and invasion, Swedish people still give it so little support? Might this all be because SD and all the resistance of multiculturalism in Sweden was heavily stigmatised by nazi-card from the beginning, and did not understand to defend itself from it? Might Sverige Democrats inability to defend itself from nazi-card be the main reason for the disaster of Sweden? You know, the power of nazi card is horrible, and its stinky touch could theoretically marginalise entire political movements.
Unlike in Sweden, in Finland multiculturalism started later, and from the beginning anti-multiculturalism was not monopolised by "far right" but by exeptionally wide political spectrum of people. This made it very hard for multiculturalist hate mongers to demonise critics of multiculturalism as "far right" and such. This movement just cant be succesfully demonised as "far right" while its not at political right at all! Sure they have tried. All the time mass medias bombard critics with these names like "far right", but as long as critics haven't gave up and started acting like such and calling itself such, those bad names have not completely infected and crippled them.
Varför är ni svenskar så mesiga? Hur kan ni ha låtit det gå så långt?
QuoteAnd what is the role of Swedish Democrats? Why have they failed so completely in their resistance, that after so many years of suffering under oppression and invasion, Swedish people still give it so little support?
Because they're a bunch of cowards, constantly apologizing and sucking up.
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 12:54:43
Quote from: Tuju on 27.12.2012, 12:41:28
Has there been talk about white flight and if so, what are the most preferred countries to move?
Among friend of course, but in the media there are only talks about the evil sweds moving away from what is perceived as "bad areas". It would really not look good to the general public if healthy, productive families left Sweden and this were shown on TV and in papers.
Countries being discussed are many and few. There are almost no western countries where not "Ne jyrää meitin". Some speak of northen Noway, Åland, Iceland others of warm countries like South america. But no one I know is serious in this discussions. We will probably go down with the ship. Friends, family and work binds us here.
Forget Norway! Norway is full of muslims and islam, also northern Norway. Canada is best country to move.
Quote from: Nationalisti on 27.12.2012, 13:40:02
Varför är ni svenskar så mesiga? Hur kan ni ha låtit det gå så långt?
QuoteAnd what is the role of Swedish Democrats? Why have they failed so completely in their resistance, that after so many years of suffering under oppression and invasion, Swedish people still give it so little support?
Because they're a bunch of cowards, constantly apologizing and sucking up.
The last 60 years this coward is what has been promoting by the all ruling Party. Instead of creating a strong and safe society through strong and brave people the Party choose to focus on creating a weak and coward one. If all were weak and cowardly no one would think or dear hurting another. This works really well of course together with the idea of importing people from the most brutal cultures on earth. Everything turns very safe and harmonious then.
I think you are sadly quite right. The character of the swed is now days a coward and a weak person who think many times before he questions the authority. Sweds are extremely unused to violence and conflict but many of us we are learning now, in the hard way.
Quote from: Emo on 27.12.2012, 13:49:54
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 12:54:43
Quote from: Tuju on 27.12.2012, 12:41:28
Has there been talk about white flight and if so, what are the most preferred countries to move?
Among friend of course, but in the media there are only talks about the evil sweds moving away from what is perceived as "bad areas". It would really not look good to the general public if healthy, productive families left Sweden and this were shown on TV and in papers.
Countries being discussed are many and few. There are almost no western countries where not "Ne jyrää meitin". Some speak of northen Noway, Åland, Iceland others of warm countries like South america. But no one I know is serious in this discussions. We will probably go down with the ship. Friends, family and work binds us here.
Forget Norway! Norway is full of muslims and islam, also northern Norway. Canada is best country to move.
If you can hold you country from the abyss it will be quite a good prospect for fleeing sweds. How is the notion by you people in this forum, are you winning?
Svensken, do you have any/many friends who think about multiculture same way you think? Do you have any forum like this Homma where you can discuss together?
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 13:53:50
If you can hold you country from the abyss it will be quite a good prospect for fleeing sweds. How is the notion by you people in this forum, are you winning?
We often forget it is very easy also for swedish muslims to move to Finland. They just have to walk over the state border and that is all.
Quote from: Nationalisti on 27.12.2012, 13:40:02
Varför är ni svenskar så mesiga? Hur kan ni ha låtit det gå så långt?
QuoteAnd what is the role of Swedish Democrats? Why have they failed so completely in their resistance, that after so many years of suffering under oppression and invasion, Swedish people still give it so little support?
Because they're a bunch of cowards, constantly apologizing and sucking up.
Luckily you represent a minority view amonst the Finnish critics of multiculturalism (if you actually are serious, which I somewhat doubt). Swedish democrats have already
scared Swedish majority to the opposite side, forcing them to support a horrible multicultural invasion against their own identity, people and culture. More "radical" or more "right wing" SD would have scared Swedish people a lot further to the opposite side.
You (nationalisti) seem to be unaware of the power of reverse reaction or backlash (vastareaktio). (Unless if you completely know and utilise it to marginalise critics.) In modern western politics the backlash is often more powerful than the original move itself.
Quote from: Emo on 27.12.2012, 13:55:54
Svensken, do you have any/many friends who think about multiculture same way you think? Do you have any forum like this Homma where you can discuss together?
Yes, I have other friends that think the same. https://www.flashback.org/ is the normal discussion forum :)
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 14:08:59
Quote from: Emo on 27.12.2012, 13:55:54
Svensken, do you have any/many friends who think about multiculture same way you think? Do you have any forum like this Homma where you can discuss together?
Yes, I have other friends that think the same. Flasback.org is the normal discussion forum :)
Are you voting for Sverigedemokraterna? I vote for PerusSuomalaiset-party (The Finns).
Parlament member Juho Eerola (the Finns) singing "äänestä siis perussuomalaista" means "vote for the Finns" :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WjaXjcVRoY
Quote from: Emo on 27.12.2012, 13:49:54Canada is best country to move.
With official multiculturalism? :flowerhat: :flowerhat: :flowerhat:
Quote from: Lemmy on 27.12.2012, 14:11:26
Quote from: Emo on 27.12.2012, 13:49:54Canada is best country to move.
With official multiculturalism? :flowerhat: :flowerhat: :flowerhat:
With best ice-hockey, lots of snow and wilderness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilderness
QuoteWilderness or wildland is a natural environment on Earth that has not been significantly modified by human activity. It may also be defined as: "The most intact, undisturbed wild natural areas left on our planet—those last truly wild places that humans do not control and have not developed with roads, pipelines or other industrial infrastructure."
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 13:53:50
Quote from: Emo on 27.12.2012, 13:49:54
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 12:54:43
Quote from: Tuju on 27.12.2012, 12:41:28
Has there been talk about white flight and if so, what are the most preferred countries to move?
Among friend of course, but in the media there are only talks about the evil sweds moving away from what is perceived as "bad areas". It would really not look good to the general public if healthy, productive families left Sweden and this were shown on TV and in papers.
Countries being discussed are many and few. There are almost no western countries where not "Ne jyrää meitin". Some speak of northen Noway, Åland, Iceland others of warm countries like South america. But no one I know is serious in this discussions. We will probably go down with the ship. Friends, family and work binds us here.
Forget Norway! Norway is full of muslims and islam, also northern Norway. Canada is best country to move.
If you can hold you country from the abyss it will be quite a good prospect for fleeing sweds. How is the notion by you people in this forum, are you winning?
I'm quite certain that Finland remains a safe haven for Swedish people. There are bilingually and even some unilingually Swedish areas in Finland, that can fully support Swedish language and at least partially Swedish speaking environment for generations. Even at unilingually Finnish areas (most of the country) it is completely possible to raise bilingual, Swedish speaking children. Sweden very propably survives even if it has to go through horrible catastrophes like a civil war, but even if it doesnt, Finland will. So Swedish people are not going to die out, no matter what. They might get rare and they might partially assimilate to Swedish speaking Finns, but they are not going to disappear from the face of the earth. Also the climate, geography and culture in Finland is very close to those of original Sweden, so Swedes here are not even going to suffer great rootlesness (that could make them forget who they are).
Finland too may descent to chaos and destruction, but it will eventually survive and be rebuilt. Theoretically even Sweden-Proper might be liberated and rebuilt by the people and resources from the Swedish-speaking areas of Finland.
^ I think we need people with commitment, perseverance and resilience. We already have a few good members of parliament and every individual, also at our Hommaforum, counts.
In a word, we need sisu. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisu)
Quote from: hkanime on 27.12.2012, 15:01:21
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 13:53:50
How is the notion by you people in this forum, are you winning?
No, we are definitely not winning. The situation is not desperate yet, but there is still a long way to go in order to gain the necessary poltitical influence in order to stem the immigration. It might be that Finland also decends into chaos before a sane political agenda is in place.
Some 80% of the political arena is dominated by the multi-culti parties. They too have some random voices against immigration but the party leaders are all pro immigration and that pretty much sets the political agenda.
Therefore, we have a steep up-hill battle and personally I'm not convinced that Finland can be saved before it is too late.
However, there might be one painfull way out and that is economic bankrupcy. If the finnish economi keeps deteriorating, we might end up in a situation where even the multi-culti parties has to close the borders in order to save money. Presently it is estimated that the direct cost of immgration is some 1 billion eur yearly (ung. 10 miljarder SEK). Exact figures are hard to come by since the past few governments has tried to hide all statistics by not collecting any data.
Real issue in economy of Finnish society is what politicians call merrily a "sustainability deficit." Public sector expenses have grown while (mostly) private sector tax paying capacity has shrunk. Now state budget demands 7 billion euros of new loan every year, and seemingly there's no real change coming in the near future. Almost all communes have unbalanced budget, with growing debt (often cleverly hidden, but still there). This includes Helsinki, despite all its' natural attractiveness for business. If drastic cuts or tax hikes are not put into use, amount of loan rises so quickly that Finnish public economy loses its' loan ratings in coming five years, and when that happens, ratings tend to get worse very quickly.
Immigration alone doesn't cause this. Rather, unwise immigration is part of a larger problem that politicians don't want to recognize to be a problem at all. The problem is oversized and under-productive public sector - an apparatus built by every power-wielding party at a time, giving them some interest group benefits from taxpayer money through increased inefficiency. Poorly integrating immigrants are just another way to increase these flows of money - and it works both for parties on the left and the "right."
Nobody wants to be the first to cut spending, and nobody wants to make fellow politicians and interest groups angry by getting at it. Even Perussuomalaiset tends to be pretty quiet about the need for big restructuring. The obvious need for it is there, no matter how one tries to avoid looking at it. Current government has an escapist attitude to the issue at hand, trusting that optimism and wide smile saves us from need of making sacrifices. Cuts to be made are troubling, but it's even more troubling to see that no politician wants to defuse this bomb before it's too late.
All in all, I'd expect Finnish public economy to end in turmoil in next 2-6 years. This does not result from immigration, but immigration contributes on its' own part to it. If corrective measures are performed just at the right time, this turmoil may turn into recovery, and may clean up welfare bloat - including lax immigration policies - from the society. It remains to be seen how things go. Personally, I'm not very much of an optimist in this regard.
Quote from: hkanime on 27.12.2012, 15:01:21
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 13:53:50
How is the notion by you people in this forum, are you winning?
No, we are definitely not winning. The situation is not desperate yet, but there is still a long way to go in order to gain the necessary poltitical influence in order to stem the immigration. It might be that Finland also decends into chaos before a sane political agenda is in place.
Some 80% of the political arena is dominated by the multi-culti parties. They too have some random voices against immigration but the party leaders are all pro immigration and that pretty much sets the political agenda.
Therefore, we have a steep up-hill battle and personally I'm not convinced that Finland can be saved before it is too late.
However, there might be one painfull way out and that is economic bankrupcy. If the finnish economi keeps deteriorating, we might end up in a situation where even the multi-culti parties has to close the borders in order to save money. Presently it is estimated that the direct cost of immgration is some 1 billion eur yearly (ung. 10 miljarder SEK). Exact figures are hard to come by since the past few governments has tried to hide all statistics by not collecting any data.
I think Sweden could be a very strong and useful weapon for you in your struggle. Even if your economy would crash you can still rebuild if you have a people, a nation. This is what I mean with the situation in Sweden. There would be no problem of having a struggle during my life time that would not look sure to win if I knew there were still time. The notion that my children or other people that's younger could take over the struggle.
Now the situation looks like the story of Sweden will end during my life time. It will shift into a crazy gangland where control of drugs, whores and business will be the future. It will not be a situation I would consider worthy of my self or my children. There will not be any struggle for making things better and more beautiful. There will only be constant gang-wars.
Quote from: Pöllämystynyt on 27.12.2012, 14:31:35
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 13:53:50
Quote from: Emo on 27.12.2012, 13:49:54
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 12:54:43
Quote from: Tuju on 27.12.2012, 12:41:28
Has there been talk about white flight and if so, what are the most preferred countries to move?
Among friend of course, but in the media there are only talks about the evil sweds moving away from what is perceived as "bad areas". It would really not look good to the general public if healthy, productive families left Sweden and this were shown on TV and in papers.
Countries being discussed are many and few. There are almost no western countries where not "Ne jyrää meitin". Some speak of northen Noway, Åland, Iceland others of warm countries like South america. But no one I know is serious in this discussions. We will probably go down with the ship. Friends, family and work binds us here.
Forget Norway! Norway is full of muslims and islam, also northern Norway. Canada is best country to move.
If you can hold you country from the abyss it will be quite a good prospect for fleeing sweds. How is the notion by you people in this forum, are you winning?
I'm quite certain that Finland remains a safe haven for Swedish people. There are bilingually and even some unilingually Swedish areas in Finland, that can fully support Swedish language and at least partially Swedish speaking environment for generations. Even at unilingually Finnish areas (most of the country) it is completely possible to raise bilingual, Swedish speaking children. Sweden very propably survives even if it has to go through horrible catastrophes like a civil war, but even if it doesnt, Finland will. So Swedish people are not going to die out, no matter what. They might get rare and they might partially assimilate to Swedish speaking Finns, but they are not going to disappear from the face of the earth. Also the climate, geography and culture in Finland is very close to those of original Sweden, so Swedes here are not even going to suffer great rootlesness (that could make them forget who they are).
Finland too may descent to chaos and destruction, but it will eventually survive and be rebuilt. Theoretically even Sweden-Proper might be liberated and rebuilt by the people and resources from the Swedish-speaking areas of Finland.
Really nice to hear, I will bring the country up next time I discuss white flight with my friends.
Quote from: hkanime on 27.12.2012, 15:01:21
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 13:53:50
How is the notion by you people in this forum, are you winning?
No, we are definitely not winning. The situation is not desperate yet, but there is still a long way to go in order to gain the necessary poltitical influence in order to stem the immigration. It might be that Finland also decends into chaos before a sane political agenda is in place.
We are definitely winning in a way or another. If elite succeeds to push Finland into hell on earth, then it will, but eventually Finland and its indigenous people will survive. Multiculturalists in Finland are hopelessy too late in their ethnocidal activities. If the fall of society and economy is going to happen, it will come a way too soon for a situation to emerge in which indigenous people find themselves at a battlefield outnumbered, outsupplied and outmoraled in the face of pseudo-leftist fascists and religious fanatics. The society and economy can last for years only in a situation, in which multiculturalism is finished. In this economic and mental situation it is the only possibility to keep up the society. So it is not possible to keep up a society that commits current politics of ethnocide until Finns are too weak to save themselves.
So Finns will certainly survive. The question is, how: through hell on earth, or by rebuilding democratic an lawful society before it completely collapses under multiculturalism. We are gathered here to talk about making it happen in a democratic way. Losing the democratic option would be a horrible humanitarian disaster, but it would not be the end.
In Sweden the situation is unfortunately worse, because when the Swedish society and economy falls, the people defending humanity and freedom are closer to become outnumbered, and their moral and integrity is already more damaged. I still think that Sweden and its people will very propably survive (even after the destruction), but others who do the math differently might disagree. Remnants of Swedish people will survive at least in Finland.
It is unfortunate, but to me the only change for Swedes to open their eyes is war. A big and profound one, where every family tastes famine and loss of best sons. Hate and blood is the only fuel of resistance. Swedes still have hope as long as the army & police is under rule of the Swedes. One scenario is the divide to North and South Sweden. The immigrant population is formed out from many ethnic and religious groups, so no central intelligence is not expected to appear to present them all. The south will plunge into anarchy and chaos overtime.
It just takes one CAT 5 depression and collapse of EU to trigger on this down spiral unrest. Finns have nickname "the magic wall" for the ATM machines when welfare money is withdrawn. Money coming out of nowhere with no payback need. ATM's are actually the peace keepers of the West. Once those run dry we are in trouble and on our reserves. Immigrants don't have any so they are after ours and they'll use any means to get their share.
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 17:26:18
Quote from: Pöllämystynyt on 27.12.2012, 14:31:35
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 13:53:50
Quote from: Emo on 27.12.2012, 13:49:54
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 12:54:43
Quote from: Tuju on 27.12.2012, 12:41:28
Has there been talk about white flight and if so, what are the most preferred countries to move?
Among friend of course, but in the media there are only talks about the evil sweds moving away from what is perceived as "bad areas". It would really not look good to the general public if healthy, productive families left Sweden and this were shown on TV and in papers.
Countries being discussed are many and few. There are almost no western countries where not "Ne jyrää meitin". Some speak of northen Noway, Åland, Iceland others of warm countries like South america. But no one I know is serious in this discussions. We will probably go down with the ship. Friends, family and work binds us here.
Forget Norway! Norway is full of muslims and islam, also northern Norway. Canada is best country to move.
If you can hold you country from the abyss it will be quite a good prospect for fleeing sweds. How is the notion by you people in this forum, are you winning?
I'm quite certain that Finland remains a safe haven for Swedish people. There are bilingually and even some unilingually Swedish areas in Finland, that can fully support Swedish language and at least partially Swedish speaking environment for generations. Even at unilingually Finnish areas (most of the country) it is completely possible to raise bilingual, Swedish speaking children. Sweden very propably survives even if it has to go through horrible catastrophes like a civil war, but even if it doesnt, Finland will. So Swedish people are not going to die out, no matter what. They might get rare and they might partially assimilate to Swedish speaking Finns, but they are not going to disappear from the face of the earth. Also the climate, geography and culture in Finland is very close to those of original Sweden, so Swedes here are not even going to suffer great rootlesness (that could make them forget who they are).
Finland too may descent to chaos and destruction, but it will eventually survive and be rebuilt. Theoretically even Sweden-Proper might be liberated and rebuilt by the people and resources from the Swedish-speaking areas of Finland.
Really nice to hear, I will bring the country up next time I discuss white flight with my friends.
If some of you decide to come here do not bring your insane political climate with you. You can not be
neutral anymore. Adapt or leave.
Quote from: Spesialisti on 27.12.2012, 18:15:28
It is unfortunate, but to me the only change for Swedes to open their eyes is war. A big and profound one, where every family tastes famine and loss of best sons. Hate and blood is the only fuel of resistance. Swedes still have hope as long as the army & police is under rule of the Swedes. One scenario is the divide to North and South Sweden. The immigrant population is formed out from many ethnic and religious groups, so no central intelligence is not expected to appear to present them all. The south will plunge into anarchy and chaos overtime.
It just takes one CAT 5 depression and collapse of EU to trigger on this down spiral unrest. Finns have nickname "the magic wall" for the ATM machines when welfare money is withdrawn. Money coming out of nowhere with no payback need. ATM's are actually the peace keepers of the West. Once those run dry we are in trouble and on our reserves. Immigrants don't have any so they are after ours and they'll use any means to get their share.
As you say, as long as the army and police is in the hands of the sweds... they are of course trying to change this and it is changing. They have al ready recruited very many immigrants to the police and they have special programs for continue it. The military is really a joke, there is no defence but those who are active are mainly sweds, still. The army is though changing to in accordance with programs of their own. I am not trying to be negative, but the situation in Sweden is really, really bad. The best things with all my predictions are that they will soon be proven right or wrong. My doom and gloom will be proven or disproved during your life time.
Use Sweden as the example if how NOT to do things.
Snuiva:
Please throw all crazy sweds out if they would try to come. All crazy people can then have Sweden and live in harmony with the gangsters and murderers.
I actually think all finns who loves multiculturalism should move to Sweden also. Simply tell them, "Go to Sweden if you like multiculturalism!", "Why make Finland to a Sweden tomorrow when you can move to Sweden today!"
Svensken , here is a documentary which should be of interest to you and other patriotic swedes.
http://www.haaretz.com/culture/arts-leisure/israeli-outsider-turns-camera-on-europe-s-muslim-outsiders-1.464430
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbPmSDnvCL4
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llFe81PtLew
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6rYFq4_q54
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dwc40RtpDc
Quote from: Spesialisti on 27.12.2012, 18:15:28
It is unfortunate, but to me the only change for Swedes to open their eyes is war. A big and profound one, where every family tastes famine and loss of best sons. Hate and blood is the only fuel of resistance. Swedes still have hope as long as the army & police is under rule of the Swedes. One scenario is the divide to North and South Sweden. The immigrant population is formed out from many ethnic and religious groups, so no central intelligence is not expected to appear to present them all. The south will plunge into anarchy and chaos overtime.
It just takes one CAT 5 depression and collapse of EU to trigger on this down spiral unrest. Finns have nickname "the magic wall" for the ATM machines when welfare money is withdrawn. Money coming out of nowhere with no payback need. ATM's are actually the peace keepers of the West. Once those run dry we are in trouble and on our reserves. Immigrants don't have any so they are after ours and they'll use any means to get their share.
I also think that there will be a war. Vikings of course will win on their home ground. Simple as that. It just will be the end of democracy for a long time. There will also be finnish military or lots of equipped volunteers present. Of course because this will be the big eye opener in Finland.
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 18:40:54
Snuiva:
Please throw all crazy sweds out if they would try to come. All crazy people can then have Sweden and live in harmony with the gangsters and murderers.
When shit hits the fan, first to leave are those who let things turn to shit.
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 18:40:54
I actually think all finns who loves multiculturalism should move to Sweden also. Simply tell them, "Go to Sweden if you like multiculturalism!", "Why make Finland to a Sweden tomorrow when you can move to Sweden today!"
Excellent idea, unfortunately they seem to be quite attached their high paying jobs promoting multicultulturalism.
Quote from: alussaolisana on 27.12.2012, 18:42:54
Quote from: Spesialisti on 27.12.2012, 18:15:28
It is unfortunate, but to me the only change for Swedes to open their eyes is war. A big and profound one, where every family tastes famine and loss of best sons. Hate and blood is the only fuel of resistance. Swedes still have hope as long as the army & police is under rule of the Swedes. One scenario is the divide to North and South Sweden. The immigrant population is formed out from many ethnic and religious groups, so no central intelligence is not expected to appear to present them all. The south will plunge into anarchy and chaos overtime.
It just takes one CAT 5 depression and collapse of EU to trigger on this down spiral unrest. Finns have nickname "the magic wall" for the ATM machines when welfare money is withdrawn. Money coming out of nowhere with no payback need. ATM's are actually the peace keepers of the West. Once those run dry we are in trouble and on our reserves. Immigrants don't have any so they are after ours and they'll use any means to get their share.
I also think that there will be a war. Vikings of course will win on their home ground. Simple as that. It just will be the end of democracy for a long time. There will also be finnish military or lots of equipped volunteers present. Of course because this will be the big eye opener in Finland.
There will be no war. There will only be an gradual degeneration of the society.
Sweden will go away with sigh not with a bang.
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 19:07:12
Quote from: alussaolisana on 27.12.2012, 18:42:54
Quote from: Spesialisti on 27.12.2012, 18:15:28
It is unfortunate, but to me the only change for Swedes to open their eyes is war. A big and profound one, where every family tastes famine and loss of best sons. Hate and blood is the only fuel of resistance. Swedes still have hope as long as the army & police is under rule of the Swedes. One scenario is the divide to North and South Sweden. The immigrant population is formed out from many ethnic and religious groups, so no central intelligence is not expected to appear to present them all. The south will plunge into anarchy and chaos overtime.
It just takes one CAT 5 depression and collapse of EU to trigger on this down spiral unrest. Finns have nickname "the magic wall" for the ATM machines when welfare money is withdrawn. Money coming out of nowhere with no payback need. ATM's are actually the peace keepers of the West. Once those run dry we are in trouble and on our reserves. Immigrants don't have any so they are after ours and they'll use any means to get their share.
I also think that there will be a war. Vikings of course will win on their home ground. Simple as that. It just will be the end of democracy for a long time. There will also be finnish military or lots of equipped volunteers present. Of course because this will be the big eye opener in Finland.
There will be no war. There will only be an gradual degeneration of the society.
Sweden will go away with sigh not with a bang.
I disagree , war in Sweden is an inevitable consequence of balkanisation , it may take 30 or 100 years but it will come.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkanization
Quote from: Marko M on 27.12.2012, 19:13:47
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 19:07:12
Quote from: alussaolisana on 27.12.2012, 18:42:54
Quote from: Spesialisti on 27.12.2012, 18:15:28
It is unfortunate, but to me the only change for Swedes to open their eyes is war. A big and profound one, where every family tastes famine and loss of best sons. Hate and blood is the only fuel of resistance. Swedes still have hope as long as the army & police is under rule of the Swedes. One scenario is the divide to North and South Sweden. The immigrant population is formed out from many ethnic and religious groups, so no central intelligence is not expected to appear to present them all. The south will plunge into anarchy and chaos overtime.
It just takes one CAT 5 depression and collapse of EU to trigger on this down spiral unrest. Finns have nickname "the magic wall" for the ATM machines when welfare money is withdrawn. Money coming out of nowhere with no payback need. ATM's are actually the peace keepers of the West. Once those run dry we are in trouble and on our reserves. Immigrants don't have any so they are after ours and they'll use any means to get their share.
I also think that there will be a war. Vikings of course will win on their home ground. Simple as that. It just will be the end of democracy for a long time. There will also be finnish military or lots of equipped volunteers present. Of course because this will be the big eye opener in Finland.
There will be no war. There will only be an gradual degeneration of the society.
Sweden will go away with sigh not with a bang.
I disagree , war in Sweden is an inevitable consequence of balkanisation , it may take 30 or 100 years but it will come.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkanization
What I mean is that I don't see the Sweds taking to arms in the near future. Maybe the different groups will have vendetta, but I was talking a major ethnic conflict with the sweds as aggressors.
^ I cannot fathom the Swedes being aggressors. What might happen is that enough Swedes encounter the new reality and decide that enough is enough. They start coming together, talking together, spreading their ideas together.
For my part, I woke up when I learnt that humanitarian refugees/immigrants have much better social benefits than Finns do. A Finn in need is less important than an immigrant in need. I just cannot close my eyes to injustice. And I don't want to.
I think there will be more people like us, ordinary people, who realize that something went wrong and want to change the prevailing situation by simply stating that positive discrimination is against democracy, and standing our ground for as long as it takes. This is not only about us but also about the future generations. Multiculturalism offers violence, rapes, gangs and general lack of values. I could not die peacefully if I let that happen without saying a word.
Quote from: Marko M on 27.12.2012, 18:41:29
Svensken , here is a documentary which should be of interest to you and other patriotic swedes.
http://www.haaretz.com/culture/arts-leisure/israeli-outsider-turns-camera-on-europe-s-muslim-outsiders-1.464430
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbPmSDnvCL4
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llFe81PtLew
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6rYFq4_q54
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dwc40RtpDc
Thanks for the advice, I will watch them in due of time :)
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 27.12.2012, 20:26:01
^ I cannot fathom the Swedes being aggressors. What might happen is that enough Swedes encounter the new reality and decide that enough is enough. They start coming together, talking together, spreading their ideas together.
For my part, I woke up when I learnt that humanitarian refugees/immigrants have much better social benefits than Finns do. A Finn in need is less important than an immigrant in need. I just cannot close my eyes to injustice. And I don't want to.
I think there will be more people like us, ordinary people, who realize that something went wrong and want to change the prevailing situation by simply stating that positive discrimination is against democracy, and standing our ground for as long as it takes. This is not only about us but also about the future generations. Multiculturalism offers violence, rapes, gangs and general lack of values. I could not die peacefully if I let that happen without saying a word.
I don't think the sweds will fight, they will complain yes, vote for SD maybe(but this is very radical). We have almost no army, a very blended police.
The Swedes won't be the aggressors. But the day will come when they have to react to the aggressors aggressing against them. And there will be a time when the choice must be made: either to live or die. The question is not about aggression but self defence and every living organism has the will to live. Choosing the life is not an act of aggression: it is an act of love. And the Swedes must choose love and life. That means defending themselves against the aggressor, the Gansterculture. And that'll mean war. The war of love. Because by war you can fight for either hate or love. And a war against terror and devolution is a war of love and humanity. We never wanted war, but since there are those who do, we have to fight for the pearl of human evolution, the western civilisation and it's fruits, freedom, democracy, freedom of speech and human rights. Because freedom just does not happen: it is created. And we Northern people are an important part of that creation.
Hello again Svensken!
Can you reason me this? I have a Swedish colleague. One of the nicest people I can imagine btw. I can't say that this bothers me, perplexes perhaps, but he uses the word conservative as a general bad word. When discussing customers he might say that a particularly difficult one was soooo conservative when I can spot no sign of conservativeness at all. Just a grumpy, difficult or particularly demanding person.
Now, I'm not the most conservative of people, but I'd never use the word for name calling - especially when I can spot no conservative agenda. It seems rather absurd, like little kids calling each other homo without any idea what the word means. It must be bad though and one has to get insulted, since homo is a bad word because it's used for insults and so on..
(The truth be told, I might say the word liberal in a rather derogatory way when referring to the "new left". I don't think that's the kind of thing I'd say out loud in the office though.)
Is this kind of abuse/miss use of words and concepts common in Sweden? Other examples perhaps?
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 27.12.2012, 22:01:38
The Swedes won't be the aggressors. But the day will come when they have to react to the aggressors aggressing against them. And there will be a time when the choice must be made: either to live or die. The question is not about aggression but self defence and every living organism has the will to live. Choosing the life is not an act of aggression: it is an act of love. And the Swedes must choose love and life. That means defending themselves against the aggressor, the Gansterculture. And that'll mean war. The war of love. Because by war you can fight for either hate or love. And a war against terror and devolution is a war of love and humanity. We never wanted war, but since there are those who do, we have to fight for the pearl of human evolution, the western civilisation and it's fruits, freedom, democracy, freedom of speech and human rights. Because freedom just does not happen: it is created. And we Northern people are an important part of that creation.
But you know the metaphor with "boiling a frog"?
I really think sweds will be like the frog, they will be more and more helpless and at the end be boiled alive. But of course we can hope for change and I will work for it as best as I can.
The Sweds will not accept Sharia and that is why they will fight. And they will win. The war is not Sweds against immigrants, it will be muslims against everybody else. Just like Lebanon or Sudan except the result. This kind of shit will happen in many places and it will be ugly and bloody but we will win.
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 22:19:58
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 27.12.2012, 22:01:38
The Swedes won't be the aggressors. But the day will come when they have to react to the aggressors aggressing against them. And there will be a time when the choice must be made: either to live or die. The question is not about aggression but self defence and every living organism has the will to live. Choosing the life is not an act of aggression: it is an act of love. And the Swedes must choose love and life. That means defending themselves against the aggressor, the Gansterculture. And that'll mean war. The war of love. Because by war you can fight for either hate or love. And a war against terror and devolution is a war of love and humanity. We never wanted war, but since there are those who do, we have to fight for the pearl of human evolution, the western civilisation and it's fruits, freedom, democracy, freedom of speech and human rights. Because freedom just does not happen: it is created. And we Northern people are an important part of that creation.
But you know the metaphor with "boiling a frog"?
I really think sweds will be like the frog, they will be more and more helpless and at the end be boiled alive. But of course we can hope for change and I will work for it as best as I can.
That metaphor is very familiar to me and I've been using it now and then in this forum and I think it has very deep wisdom in it.
Of course you may be right: it is a possibility. But I find it improbable that a whole ethnic group, eight million people, would just sit down and watch their own annihilation: there must be a moment when crowds realise that the only other alternative for acting now is to be wiped out of the face of the Earth.
But if the worst case scenario actualizes, I believe that many Swedes will seek refuge in Finland through the years. And we will happily let you be a part of our society because you are our brothers and sisters. And together we'll grow stronger. And one day we will banish the evil.
:)
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 27.12.2012, 22:36:50
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But I find it improbable that a whole ethnic group, eight million people, would just sit down and watch their own annihilation: there must be a moment when crowds realise that the only other alternative for acting now is to be wiped out of the face of the Earth.
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Preschool brainwashing with gender neutral pedagogs and pacifism will not produce very good soldier material. Afterall they will face iSlamic jihadist. Those who can flee, flee and those who cannot will be shown as examples why we should do something for our own quislings.
Quote from: Snuiva on 27.12.2012, 22:54:45
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 27.12.2012, 22:36:50
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But I find it improbable that a whole ethnic group, eight million people, would just sit down and watch their own annihilation: there must be a moment when crowds realise that the only other alternative for acting now is to be wiped out of the face of the Earth.
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Preschool brainwashing with gender neutral pedagogs and pacifism will not produce very good soldier material. Afterall they will face iSlamic jihadist. Those who can flee, flee and those who cannot will be shown as examples why we should do something for our own quislings.
I agree, the swedish males of today are in very bad shape mentally and physically. If there would be a Jihad war there would come people from the whole world supporting the jihadists just like in Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. Time will tell and I am not trying to be negative but I frankly just don't see it happening.
If many of us flees to Finland I hope we can be of help to you and that you will accept us even if we did not succeed in saving our own homeland.
Svensken:
QuoteIf many of us flees to Finland I hope we can be of help to you and that you will accept us even if we did not succeed in saving our own homeland.
Together we are stronger. And those who flee are not going to submit but to seek cultural friends to fight back with massive force and will.
It is not
your fault if your country collapses. It is a fault of those who let it happen today and you and your kind are not one of those people. If some of you flee to Finland, acceptance is not the question because we know that you are the good ones and we need you because in those days to come the world will be in fire and every good man and woman who stand for European values are needed in this battle against this global Gangsterworld.
It'll be the day when you need us and we need you.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 27.12.2012, 23:19:39
Svensken:
QuoteIf many of us flees to Finland I hope we can be of help to you and that you will accept us even if we did not succeed in saving our own homeland.
Together we are stronger. And those who flee are not going to submit but to seek cultural friends to fight back with massive force and will.
It is not your fault if your country collapses. It is a fault of those who let it happen today and you and your kind are not one of those people. If some of you flee to Finland, acceptance is not the question because we know that you are the good ones and we need you because in those days to come the world will be in fire and every good man and woman who stand for European values are needed in this battle against this global Gangsterworld.
It'll be the day when you need us and we need you.
This was very beautifully written, I get a bit emotional. You make me want to come to Finland, maybe in the future I will by free will, or maybe I will just have to because staying would mean servitude or death.
Hejsan Svensken, nice having you here and thanks for all the information you've provided!
Quote from: Spesialisti on 27.12.2012, 18:15:28
It is unfortunate, but to me the only change for Swedes to open their eyes is war. A big and profound one, where every family tastes famine and loss of best sons. Hate and blood is the only fuel of resistance. Swedes still have hope as long as the army & police is under rule of the Swedes. One scenario is the divide to North and South Sweden. The immigrant population is formed out from many ethnic and religious groups, so no central intelligence is not expected to appear to present them all. The south will plunge into anarchy and chaos overtime.
It just takes one CAT 5 depression and collapse of EU to trigger on this down spiral unrest. Finns have nickname "the magic wall" for the ATM machines when welfare money is withdrawn. Money coming out of nowhere with no payback need. ATM's are actually the peace keepers of the West. Once those run dry we are in trouble and on our reserves. Immigrants don't have any so they are after ours and they'll use any means to get their share.
In Lebanon, the Moslems gained equal numbers with the Christians in the 1970's. The result was a civil war, one consequence of which was the splitting of the armed forces between the Christians and the Moslems. With Israel's help, the Christians were able to defend themselves and their living area for about 25 years until final capitulation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_Army
A book written by a young Christian woman from Marjayoun, describes how young Christian men from her village went to military bases to retrieve tanks for themselves and succeeded in it. Moslems elsewhere in Lebanon did the same. At this point, the Lebanese military already had a large Moslem representation. Which brings me to the point that even though the Swedish military is still in the hands of the Swedes (if I understood correctly), should it start breaking up, who would wind up controlling it, and what would the consequences be?
Edith: numero korjattu
Just a side note. I haven't followed this thread after people started writing swedish. I can't understand a fricking word in swedish even though I "studied" swedish in school for years. Now I see we are back in english and I can follow this.
Yes, this was language politic statement :)
When there will be a civil war, at least in Finland WE have the army and the police force. By 'we' I mean non-muslims. This should mean a great deal and it would be us (the government) against them (the rebels). This is the situation so far, don't know if it'll change. A cop can't have a criminal register, so that rules out many of them trying to become cops ;D. And, I don't think many muslims go to army either in here.
How is it in there? Have the muslims so far started to infiltrate the army and/or the police force?
Quote from: wannabe on 27.12.2012, 23:34:49
Hejsan Svensken, nice having you here and thanks for all the information you've provided!
Quote from: Spesialisti on 27.12.2012, 18:15:28
It is unfortunate, but to me the only change for Swedes to open their eyes is war. A big and profound one, where every family tastes famine and loss of best sons. Hate and blood is the only fuel of resistance. Swedes still have hope as long as the army & police is under rule of the Swedes. One scenario is the divide to North and South Sweden. The immigrant population is formed out from many ethnic and religious groups, so no central intelligence is not expected to appear to present them all. The south will plunge into anarchy and chaos overtime.
It just takes one CAT 5 depression and collapse of EU to trigger on this down spiral unrest. Finns have nickname "the magic wall" for the ATM machines when welfare money is withdrawn. Money coming out of nowhere with no payback need. ATM's are actually the peace keepers of the West. Once those run dry we are in trouble and on our reserves. Immigrants don't have any so they are after ours and they'll use any means to get their share.
In Lebanon, the Moslems gained equal numbers with the Christians in the 1970's. The result was a civil war, one consequence of which was the splitting of the armed forces between the Christians and the Moslems. With Israel's help, the Christians were able to defend themselves and their living area for about 15 years until final capitulation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_Army
A book written by a young Christian woman from Marjayoun, describes how young Christian men from her village went to military bases to retrieve tanks for themselves and succeeded in it. Moslems elsewhere in Lebanon did the same. At this point, the Lebanese military already had a large Moslem representation. Which brings me to the point that even though the Swedish military is still in the hands of the Swedes (if I understood correctly), should it start breaking up, who would wind up controlling it, and what would the consequences be?
The state and military are doing their best to get more immigrants in the army. (http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/forsvaret-lockar-unga-med-lumparliv?rm=print and http://www.friatider.se/militaren-vill-ha-fler-med-utomeuropeisk-bakgrund)
An armed conflict in Sweden I think would be possible (if ever which I doubt) in the far future and then its very hard to say who would be able to "get the guns" so to say. But while the rest of society falls in complexity and quality so would also the military and it's protection of it's installations. I know from friends who have worked or have relatives who works in the army that the state today is horrible.
There are said to be many incidents every year with obvious russian agents taking photos and investigating military areas and the sweds know it but they do nothing about it. I dont think that the russians today are the big enemy but if the army is so sleepy when it comes to one potential enemy why would they care when our own jihad people come by.
Or when I think about it I think the army would care, they would try to employ them and give them access to the weaponry, otherwise the army would be islamofobic and that is something the swedish army would never be.
Quote from: crissaegrim on 27.12.2012, 23:45:15
I've been thinking, when there will be a civil war, at least in Finland WE have the army and the police force. By 'we' I mean non-muslims. This should mean a great deal and it would be us (the government) against them (the rebels). This is the situation so far, don't know if it'll change. A cop can't have a criminal register, so that rules out many of them trying to become cops ;D. And, I don't think many muslims go to army either in here.
How is it in there? Have the muslims so far started to infiltrate the army and/or the police force?
I just answered this concerning the military but the police is the same. This is they have targeted advertising for the groups they want(http://www.friatider.se/polisen-vi-soker-dig-som-inte-ar-svensk).
The Police in Sweden have even lowered their demands on new students to make it more attractive to immigrants. One thing they took away was the demand to speak good swedish.
Quote from: Marko Parkkola on 27.12.2012, 23:37:54
Just a side note. I haven't followed this thread after people started writing swedish. I can't understand a fricking word in swedish even though I "studied" swedish in school for years. Now I see we are back in english and I can follow this.
Yes, this was language politic statement :)
Sorry I answered some in swedish in the beginning, I know the language issue is a sensitive subject in Finland and I then wanted to show my respect for you by only speaking in english.
I think initially many people who wrote to me in swedish did this to make sure I did actually speak swedish and was not a finnish troll here to make fun of sweds.
Va konstigt, Svensken kommer inte ihåg Hemvärnet.
Still in case of Finland, Russia must be always considered as the first and most dangerous aggressor. If Europe and especially Nordics will fall into chaos, Russia will absolutely take it's chance on Finland and Baltic states, those are so vulnerable if there is no support from other parties.
By the way, I find flashback.org quite disturbing in that sense that there are long discussion threads for apparent junkies; use of drugs, also for hard drugs and misuse of medication to get high. In Homma we have only thread for "what's your favorite drink.." Well, Flashback.org seems to be a general discussion forum of just about any subject. Homma is only focused on criticism of immigration policies and multiculturalism.
Svensken, we dont hate Swedish lanquage, we hate the politics about it here. I asked people to write in English only because its a familiar lanquage to almost all. We all have watched Pippi and Emil and listened to Kent, so in general I think we find Swedish lanquage very positive.
I think use of English is the most practical solution.
What do you think of Malmö?
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 00:01:48
I think initially many people who wrote to me in swedish did this to make sure I did actually speak swedish and was not a finnish troll here to make fun of sweds.
No no no... I wrote to you på svenska because I wanted to be polite to you :)
Quote from: Suomi2050 on 28.12.2012, 01:16:55
What do you think of Malmö?
Malmö is a very bad place and it's only getting worse. This fall it has been a little calmer then usual but this is because big parts of the whole police in the south of Sweden has been bound to Malmö. This is planned to end by the new year. Malmö is not really a part of Sweden any more, but which parts are today really...
If you want to see the future, visit Malmö, walk through Rosengård. To be called "Svennejävel" is to be expected.
Quote from: Spesialisti on 28.12.2012, 00:38:30
Still in case of Finland, Russia must be always considered as the first and most dangerous aggressor. If Europe and especially Nordics will fall into chaos, Russia will absolutely take it's chance on Finland and Baltic states, those are so vulnerable if there is no support from other parties.
By the way, I find flashback.org quite disturbing in that sense that there are long discussion threads for apparent junkies; use of drugs, also for hard drugs and misuse of medication to get high. In Homma we have only thread for "what's your favorite drink.." Well, Flashback.org seems to be a general discussion forum of just about any subject. Homma is only focused on criticism of immigration policies and multiculturalism.
Flashback has many strange and bad sides, but that is freedom of expression...
Many young people in Sweden does drugs and if you have to live in Sweden it's not strange to understand why this helps you go on.
I agree with you but the main discussion of immigration is done on flashback.
Concerning the army they just told on the news that the Swedish army is in so bad shape that we could not even receive military help if we needed to (http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=5389825). This is a quite good example of why our military is completely scraped. A general said recently like this: "We would not even be able to defend our own parking lots".
Oh good I love this country... NOT!
Immigrant scumbag in Malmö.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8XRpxxPOk
Quote from: Marko M on 28.12.2012, 10:19:16
Immigrant scumbag in Malmö.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8XRpxxPOk
The well known "Laserturken", he was even invited to the radio and TV I think. He is a nice B-celebrity here now days. People like him will in i not distant future populate the whole country.
Svensken,
I have a bit different sort of multicultural question about the current Swedish sociological thinking. And by the way, the question when the original Finnish people and (other) Scandinavian natives are having enough of this bullshit, has also appeared in the Forum. And it should be discussed even more thoroughly.
I had a good talk with my relatives and other Finnis-Swedish people about how the Swedes perceive 'us'. I know that this relates to the point when some Finnish people are curious of what the other people think about us, but that is already an old story and I'm hoping it is vanishing more and more. When I was working there, it turned out that most Finns were valued among that sort of 'Blue-collar' jobs, as it is often the case in Oslo too. And since there are so many Finnish people working in construction or related work there, in some groups the place is called 'lilla Finland'. Correct me if I'm wrong in that argument.
However, recently in one discussion some Finnish people who had stayed many years in Stockholm were telling me that there is a huge socio-cultural bomb and it has already begun. They actually said that the collapse has started. Not one person but several in different ages mentioned about this, but it seemed many people did not have the courage to discuss about their preferences. I think at least in Finland there are a lot of people who do not know about the cultural values of different ethnic groups and the way they relate to power, feminism vs. masculinity, ethics and morals etc. BUt I don't know the average people in Sweden have already started to understand these or do they even question them when they hear about the multicultural 'incidents'.
Again, they mentioned that a lot of Swedish people are not interested in Finland in any or many ways. So my question is, what is culturally hip and pop now over there? Besides Thailand, is it Africa, new-age Nepal, etc.?
And maybe this has already been answered here but if not: which group of people in Sweden still identify as 'native Scandinavians' and are fed up with the current immigration phenomenon? I would assume that there are relatively many neo-green-leftish young people who are in many ways religious with the idea of 'global social responsibility'. Not that there is anything wrong with that ideology of responsibility, but most of these who speak and supposingly act towards it, seem to be high as kite without any concept of understanding of how much damage their actions are doing in social, cultural, environmental or econmical terms.
Not to speak for any other, but at least to my mind there are a lot of environmentally aware and proactive people here, who see beyond the current green-valueism which itself as phenomenon has fishy purposes and objectives that are based on unethical thinking. In here, I became across with the slogan said by Winston Churchill (was it even that cat?), "at the age of 20 if you're not a liberal, you have no heart. At the age of 40 if you're not a conservative, you have no brain". Seldom have flashbacks been so clear...
It would be nice to hear a few thoughts on how you perceive the current Swedish cultural thinking about us, Europe, AFrica, Asia...or even one of those :D.
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 09:55:10
If you want to see the future, visit Malmö, walk through Rosengård. To be called "Svennejävel" is to be expected.
Svennejävel!? >:( What an insult! >:( Vi är finnjävlar!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi5wKs_CYgM
Varför det påstås att finnarna är tysta på alla språk (talar ingenting) och är rädda för språkfel ? Pojkarna ju talar svenska på filmen!
Quote from: J. Lanta on 28.12.2012, 14:01:37
Svensken,
I have a bit different sort of multicultural question about the current Swedish sociological thinking. And by the way, the question when the original Finnish people and (other) Scandinavian natives are having enough of this bullshit, has also appeared in the Forum. And it should be discussed even more thoroughly.
I had a good talk with my relatives and other Finnis-Swedish people about how the Swedes perceive 'us'. I know that this relates to the point when some Finnish people are curious of what the other people think about us, but that is already an old story and I'm hoping it is vanishing more and more. When I was working there, it turned out that most Finns were valued among that sort of 'Blue-collar' jobs, as it is often the case in Oslo too. And since there are so many Finnish people working in construction or related work there, in some groups the place is called 'lilla Finland'. Correct me if I'm wrong in that argument.
However, recently in one discussion some Finnish people who had stayed many years in Stockholm were telling me that there is a huge socio-cultural bomb and it has already begun. They actually said that the collapse has started. Not one person but several in different ages mentioned about this, but it seemed many people did not have the courage to discuss about their preferences. I think at least in Finland there are a lot of people who do not know about the cultural values of different ethnic groups and the way they relate to power, feminism vs. masculinity, ethics and morals etc. BUt I don't know the average people in Sweden have already started to understand these or do they even question them when they hear about the multicultural 'incidents'.
Again, they mentioned that a lot of Swedish people are not interested in Finland in any or many ways. So my question is, what is culturally hip and pop now over there? Besides Thailand, is it Africa, new-age Nepal, etc.?
And maybe this has already been answered here but if not: which group of people in Sweden still identify as 'native Scandinavians' and are fed up with the current immigration phenomenon? I would assume that there are relatively many neo-green-leftish young people who are in many ways religious with the idea of 'global social responsibility'. Not that there is anything wrong with that ideology of responsibility, but most of these who speak and supposingly act towards it, seem to be high as kite without any concept of understanding of how much damage their actions are doing in social, cultural, environmental or econmical terms.
Not to speak for any other, but at least to my mind there are a lot of environmentally aware and proactive people here, who see beyond the current green-valueism which itself as phenomenon has fishy purposes and objectives that are based on unethical thinking. In here, I became across with the slogan said by Winston Churchill (was it even that cat?), "at the age of 20 if you're not a liberal, you have no heart. At the age of 40 if you're not a conservative, you have no brain". Seldom have flashbacks been so clear...
It would be nice to hear a few thoughts on how you perceive the current Swedish cultural thinking about us, Europe, AFrica, Asia...or even one of those :D.
Did you ask for if there is a place called "Lilla Finland"? If this was the case it's true. There is such a place(http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=4165&grupp=18290%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&artikel=5292599)
Thanks for your very interesting questions, if I misunderstand something just feel free to correct me.
There are some knowledge about other cultures in Sweden but quite little. Sweds very seldom hangs out with the "new sweds" and if they do they never discuss values or politics so they never get the understanding of the many times extreme gaps that exists between the different groups.
Sweds know very little about Finland. They in general know that there are something with the war, knives, alcohol and sauna. The interest to know more is very little or non existing. What I have understood as cool and hip for the moment is as ever to travel. Sweds are obsessed with travelling. If you are young and cool south america or east europe is the place to go right now. In relations to other cultures China is getting more cool and more and more students are studying chinese. Africa is always cool, they are perceived to be so happy and easy going. There have been some celebrities adopting from Africa recently. Some years ago there was some parents that tried to make it a hype to adopt HIV-infected children but I don't know how spread it became.
When it comes to religion some form of mild spiritism and atheism is the big things. The main ideology of helping the rest of the world, promoting the perspective of the minority(might it be sexual, ethical or religiously) has transformed into a fate also. Some people are also believing that doing less harm to nature is heavenly. They never care for the bigger picture(for example: if there is any chance of lessening the CO2 emissions) but they let this notion of doing good steer their life. They don't fly, buy hybrid cars and buy products with other markings. So you are very right in your thoughts about the political neo-green/left youth.
The people who are feed up(and hated for it in media) is the young swedish male. They have seen their sex being demoted by the radical feminists. They have seen their job opportunities gone away. For example the "Instegsjobb" the state pays 80% of the immigrants salary so they are very searched for by employers. They are the ones who have been beaten up by immigrants and that feels they have been betrayed. This group of people still see them selves as swedes and don't get why they should act like little girls and happily get taken over by the "New Sweds".
I have been writing this before, but Sweden is a extremely polarized society politicly and the two poles can barely speak to each other. Where the one will scream "Racist! Fascist!" the other scream "PC-idiot!, Antiswedish!". The polarization are though at the biggest inside the ethical swedish group. Immigrants can in general discuss immigration and other issues in a much freer and more diverse way.
^ I have exactly this picture about swedes! They like to travel, like easy life, don't know much about other cultures and are not interested in their eastern neighbour Finland at all, and occultism/atheism is the thing in Sweden at the moment.
What do you think Sweden will look like in 2030-2050?
Quote from: Emo on 28.12.2012, 15:29:38
^ I have exactly this picture about swedes! They like to travel, like easy life, don't know much about other cultures and are not interested in their eastern neighbour Finland at all, and occultism/atheism is the thing in Sweden at the moment.
I am happy that my description actually goes together with what other people think to. I can not say that I know these things for sure but I do my very best to describe Sweden as I have come to see it. Much of what I write stems from many peoples opinions and statement that I have examined during the years.
Quote from: Suomi2050 on 28.12.2012, 15:30:22
What do you think Sweden will look like in 2030-2050?
2030 sweds will surely be in minority in Sweden(if nothing extremely radical happens). I think that in 2050 there will be three factions Ethnic sweds, radicalised through the decades of horrors, muslims and brutal gangsters. There will be even more murders, rape and killings than there is today. The welfare state would be dead. More people will also be muslim and the organized crime syndicates will control much more than they do today.
The best thing that could happen is if the Sweds decided for a special part of Sweden and moved there and broke loose to form a new country. Then the muslims and gangsters could fight between them selves for the other parts.
Svensken,
To your last answer where you gave a nice overview of the swedish intercultural perceptions, I must admit that the same sort of behaviour can be seen among people here in Finland. Traveling, being hip. I came up with this saying: One seeks to go to Shangri-La, the other one to Babylonia, but neither of them, to Impiwaara (someone can explain where Impivaara derives from or means to them, but for me it's the ultimate Finnish retrosexual land of shamanistic warrior spirit and women with old-school female bodies. The place where you have swamp, shovel and fly agaric mushroom).
However, it was news to me that the young(ish) male are being fed up and understand the whole thing more multidimensionally. One can only think of how big that segment is in the big picture. And do they have spirit enough to do something about it.
Have a nice rest of the year 2012
I don't think Swedes on the average enjoy mass-immigration any more than people in other countries do. It is only that people in Sweden beware appearing in public being viewed as anti-immigration. Ordinary people between themselves are very outright in their views about how immigration on the whole has been detrimental to Sweden. Or at least that is my experience of Sweden and speaking to ordinary people over there.
Politicians, of course, are a different ball-game altogether. If I recall correctly, the former SDP-leader, Mona Sahlin, was nicknamed in some circles as muslim-Mona because of her statements about how only muslims have any worthwhile culture.
Politicians in other parties are not very much better either. I guess that as you have an electioral system of closed lists, if you speak too critically of mass-immigration your name is at the bottom of the list of the candidates of a party in an election or erased from the list completely.
Quote from: J. Lanta on 28.12.2012, 17:33:13
Svensken,
To your last answer where you gave a nice overview of the swedish intercultural perceptions, I must admit that the same sort of behaviour can be seen among people here in Finland. Traveling, being hip. I came up with this saying: One seeks to go to Shangri-La, the other one to Babylonia, but neither of them, to Impiwaara (someone can explain where Impivaara derives from or means to them, but for me it's the ultimate Finnish retrosexual land of shamanistic warrior spirit and women with old-school female bodies. The place where you have swamp, shovel and fly agaric mushroom).
However, it was news to me that the young(ish) male are being fed up and understand the whole thing more multidimensionally. One can only think of how big that segment is in the big picture. And do they have spirit enough to do something about it.
Have a nice rest of the year 2012
It's not white males in general who are feed up, but those who are fed up are mainly young white males.
Quote from: -PPT- on 28.12.2012, 17:41:45
I don't think Swedes on the average enjoy mass-immigration any more than people in other countries do. It is only that people in Sweden beware appearing in public being viewed as anti-immigration. Ordinary people between themselves are very outright in their views about how immigration on the whole has been detrimental to Sweden. Or at least that is my experience of Sweden and speaking to ordinary people over there.
Politicians, of course, are a different ball-game altogether. If I recall correctly, the former SDP-leader, Mona Sahlin, was nicknamed in some circles as muslim-Mona because of her statements about how only muslims have any worthwhile culture.
Politicians in other parties are not very much better either. I guess that as you have an electioral system of closed lists, if you speak too critically of mass-immigration your name is at the bottom of the list of the candidates of a party in an election or erased from the list completely.
In Sweden there are always two sets of opinions, one private and one public. This is the reality in all questions but in some it can vary very much. A politician or other public person who says he loves multiculturalism in one arena can say that he "hates immigrants" in another more private setting.
It was the name Mona-Muslim and here party had the slogan in the 2006 years election "Alla ska med"(Meaning Everybody are going to go with) but this was changed by critics to "Allah ska med" which you mean "Allah will go with".
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 17:42:19
It's not white males in general who are feed up, but those who are fed up are mainly young white males.
I thought they were selling ass (http://www.thelocal.se/44386/20121113/#.UN3DCaz-Lgs) on Kungsgatan?
Quote from: Lemmy on 28.12.2012, 18:04:59
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 17:42:19
It's not white males in general who are feed up, but those who are fed up are mainly young white males.
I thought they were selling ass (http://www.thelocal.se/44386/20121113/#.UN3DCaz-Lgs) on Kungsgatan?
I did not believe discussions about homosexuals were allowed? ;)
^ You follow the rules much better than we do! ;D
I left the membership of the Finnish evangelic-lutheran church last year because they have a very welcoming attitude towards islam among bishops and especially in southern Finland. How is it in Sweden? Are muslims the "brothers" of Christian church, as it seems to be the case here?
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:15:53
Quote from: Lemmy on 28.12.2012, 18:04:59
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 17:42:19
It's not white males in general who are feed up, but those who are fed up are mainly young white males.
I thought they were selling ass (http://www.thelocal.se/44386/20121113/#.UN3DCaz-Lgs) on Kungsgatan?
I did not believe discussions about homosexuals were allowed? ;)
Only if theres plans to release gaygas!
Really, what do the "angry young men" do in Sweden? I've not noticed any news regarding them? Back in the day they were driving "epa-traktor" and destined to become raggare... these days... ???
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 28.12.2012, 18:21:46
^ You follow the rules much better than we do! ;D
I left the membership of the Finnish evangelic-lutheran church last year because they have a very welcoming attitude towards islam among bishops and especially in southern Finland. How is it in Sweden? Are muslims the "brothers" of Christian church, as it seems to be the case here?
The Swedish church is of course much more radical.
The Swedish Evangelic-Lutheran church(which only calls it self "Svenska kyrkan") have actually hired and pay the cost of a muslim Imam in Stockholm. They do not just love islam, they actually promote it.http://www.kyrkanstidning.se/nyhet/imam-far-jobb-i-kyrkan
They have many years now funded, helped and participated in pride parades all over the country and some years ago they had this exhibition in their most holy of churches. (http://www.ohlson.se/utstallningar_ecce.htm)
Others from that the church are now working for more immigration and have many times openly taken a firm stand for massive immigration and hate against any one who opposes.
Quoteangry young men" do in Sweden? I've not noticed any news regarding them? Back in the day they were driving "epa-traktor" and destined to become raggare... these days...
I heard first in line made a sudden stop and guy behind reared him only to be reared too who was later reared...they are still wondering if it is worth while to leave the site.
But good food tips and beer costs are welcomed. I remember one trip in Swedistan and buying a pack of utter crap called folköl. Yikes. The moment after first taste told me Sweden is gone. If for no other reason, then because of crappy beer. Good beer is basic human right.
Quote from: Lemmy on 28.12.2012, 18:23:53
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:15:53
Quote from: Lemmy on 28.12.2012, 18:04:59
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 17:42:19
It's not white males in general who are feed up, but those who are fed up are mainly young white males.
I thought they were selling ass (http://www.thelocal.se/44386/20121113/#.UN3DCaz-Lgs) on Kungsgatan?
I did not believe discussions about homosexuals were allowed? ;)
Only if theres plans to release gaygas!
Really, what do the "angry young men" do in Sweden? I've not noticed any news regarding them? Back in the day they were driving "epa-traktor" and destined to become raggare... these days... ???
They are angry on the internet and they join and vote for SD or more radical parties and groups. (http://mobil.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article15870503.ab;jsessionid=767762F26C866B6324481655C0F680A7)
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:33:22
They are angry on the internet and they join and vote for SD or more radical parties and groups. (http://mobil.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article15870503.ab;jsessionid=767762F26C866B6324481655C0F680A7)
But thats just the communist Expo bla-bla-bla we're not interested in.
Quote from: Lemmy on 28.12.2012, 18:43:17
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:33:22
They are angry on the internet and they join and vote for SD or more radical parties and groups. (http://mobil.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article15870503.ab;jsessionid=767762F26C866B6324481655C0F680A7)
But thats just the communist Expo bla-bla-bla we're not interested in.
Why can't you behave? Hobby?
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:30:41
The Swedish Evangelic-Lutheran church(which only calls it self "Svenska kyrkan") have actually hired and pay the cost of a muslim Imam in Stockholm. They do not just love islam, they actually promote it.
I read the article and had an instant brain meltdown.
QuoteVarför ska just kyrkan anställa en imam?
– Kyrkan måste sträcka ut en hand och hjälpa goda krafter, och hjälpa unga hitta sig själva så att de inte hamnar i extremism. Svenska kyrkan har fortfarande makt och pengar att göra det här, säger Maria Kjellsdotter Rydinger.
One of the members of parliament actually suggested sharia as a legal alternative for Muslems in Finland. Good grief, this world! >:(
Quote from: Lemmy on 28.12.2012, 18:43:17
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:33:22
They are angry on the internet and they join and vote for SD or more radical parties and groups. (http://mobil.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article15870503.ab;jsessionid=767762F26C866B6324481655C0F680A7)
But thats just the communist Expo bla-bla-bla we're not interested in.
The article is from Aftonbladet written by a Bengt Westeberg who responsible for a newly publicised governmental report named: "Främlingsfienden inom oss". Most things in Sweden might sound like Expo, but not all are directly connected to them.
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:49:40
Quote from: Lemmy on 28.12.2012, 18:43:17
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:33:22
They are angry on the internet and they join and vote for SD or more radical parties and groups. (http://mobil.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article15870503.ab;jsessionid=767762F26C866B6324481655C0F680A7)
But thats just the communist Expo bla-bla-bla we're not interested in.
The article is from Aftonbladet written by a Bengt Westeberg who responsible for a newly publicised governmental report named: "Främlingsfienden inom oss". Most things in Sweden might sound like Expo, but not all are directly connected to them.
I'm still not interested in what these deranged people write in fishwrappers. Ok, so the young men sit at home and write in the internet, fine, so they can read. Besides playstation and xbox what is "the thing" to do? Does an average 16-18 year old still want to become a police or fireman, do they want to go to study medicine, law or computers (or is that reserved for those whose pappa has little too much money), or do even they say "fuck it" and take a backpack and go investigate the hot nights of Rio (as you said its fashionable to travel). Is there a future in some small town if you want to be a farmer or go work at the sawmill? If you take up a sport, say Ice Hockey, does it require too much from the parents to be for everybody? Or is it like in Finland some of the 16-18 year olds start to feel its no use doing anything or studying as theres no jobs and you can live better off the government handout? Theres a big concern of this group as it is - mostly young men - and they seem to drop under the radar.
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:49:40
The article is from Aftonbladet written by a Bengt Westeberg who responsible for a newly publicised governmental report named: "Främlingsfienden inom oss". Most things in Sweden might sound like Expo, but not all are directly connected to them.
Actually almost everything seems to be somehow connected to Expo. For instance that report was partly written by Lisa Bjurwald who worked several years for Expo. Mona Sahlin is member of Expo board. Labor unions even use Expo lecturers to coach their members how to argue about immigration and SD in a proper PC way.
2012-03-25 Ruotsi: Ammattiliitto kouluttaa 150 000 väittelemään maahanmuutosta (http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,69224.msg1163531.html#msg1163531)
Quote from: Lemmy on 28.12.2012, 19:27:38
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:49:40
Quote from: Lemmy on 28.12.2012, 18:43:17
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:33:22
They are angry on the internet and they join and vote for SD or more radical parties and groups. (http://mobil.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article15870503.ab;jsessionid=767762F26C866B6324481655C0F680A7)
But thats just the communist Expo bla-bla-bla we're not interested in.
The article is from Aftonbladet written by a Bengt Westeberg who responsible for a newly publicised governmental report named: "Främlingsfienden inom oss". Most things in Sweden might sound like Expo, but not all are directly connected to them.
I'm still not interested in what these deranged people write in fishwrappers. Ok, so the young men sit at home and write in the internet, fine, so they can read. Besides playstation and xbox what is "the thing" to do? Does an average 16-18 year old still want to become a police or fireman, do they want to go to study medicine, law or computers (or is that reserved for those whose pappa has little too much money), or do even they say "fuck it" and take a backpack and go investigate the hot nights of Rio (as you said its fashionable to travel). Is there a future in some small town if you want to be a farmer or go work at the sawmill? If you take up a sport, say Ice Hockey, does it require too much from the parents to be for everybody? Or is it like in Finland some of the 16-18 year olds start to feel its no use doing anything or studying as theres no jobs and you can live better off the government handout? Theres a big concern of this group as it is - mostly young men - and they seem to drop under the radar.
I think the tendency is to give up more and more. There are of course all kind of young men but the tendency I would say is to give up, do drugs don't care. Like the things you're telling from the small villages in Finland
Quote from: Roope on 28.12.2012, 19:38:35
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:49:40
The article is from Aftonbladet written by a Bengt Westeberg who responsible for a newly publicised governmental report named: "Främlingsfienden inom oss". Most things in Sweden might sound like Expo, but not all are directly connected to them.
Actually almost everything seems to be somehow connected to Expo. For instance that report was partly written by Lisa Bjurwald who worked several years for Expo. Mona Sahlin is member of Expo board. Labor unions even use Expo lecturers to coach their members how to argue about immigration and SD in a proper PC way.
2012-03-25 Ruotsi: Ammattiliitto kouluttaa 150 000 väittelemään maahanmuutosta (http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,69224.msg1163531.html#msg1163531)
You are all to right. It's better that you say it than me. I don't want to sound to nuts. I have already said that my homeland will go under without a real fight. Saying that a semi-state funded organisation that have ties to the swedish secret service have connections to the majority of powerful media people and politicians. This is a to bizarre picture to paint just out of the blue but it is the situation in Sweden.
Yes, they are used to learn students and children about "racism" and how to fight the ones who think otherwise. The swedish schools focus very much of their resources on preaching the correct political thinking in all the subjects where it is possible.
When I discuss these things with you the picture of Sweden becomes even more clear. It's not that often I tell and explain for outsiders just how sick and deranged my country really is. It's like living in a family with a crazy father who is drunk all the time and screams, hits and destroys things. Its first when you get to see the mess from an outside you really get just how bad and wrong the whole situation is.
I'm not that familiar with Sweden but I know a lot about Denmark and Norway and those countries also have high immigration-populations and in both countries there has been a lot of discussion that even in cities where most immigrants live, it is quite common that white Norwegians/Danes only hang out with other white Norwegians/Danes. It has been considered as a major problem from the perspective of the multiculti-industry that people can still choose who they want to be friends with and immigrants from certain countries and the indigenous population, as they have really nothing in common with each other, do not feel any ned to be each other's friends.
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:30:41
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 28.12.2012, 18:21:46
^ You follow the rules much better than we do! ;D
I left the membership of the Finnish evangelic-lutheran church last year because they have a very welcoming attitude towards islam among bishops and especially in southern Finland. How is it in Sweden? Are muslims the "brothers" of Christian church, as it seems to be the case here?
The Swedish church is of course much more radical.
The Swedish Evangelic-Lutheran church(which only calls it self "Svenska kyrkan") have actually hired and pay the cost of a muslim Imam in Stockholm. They do not just love islam, they actually promote it.http://www.kyrkanstidning.se/nyhet/imam-far-jobb-i-kyrkan
They have many years now funded, helped and participated in pride parades all over the country and some years ago they had this exhibition in their most holy of churches. (http://www.ohlson.se/utstallningar_ecce.htm)
Others from that the church are now working for more immigration and have many times openly taken a firm stand for massive immigration and hate against any one who opposes.
Martin Luther would turn in his coffein because of swedish "Lutheran" Church....
I might be biased, but all the young men I know are studying, going to army or working between studies. I live in a village near Oulu and see the local youth very positively (with a few exceptions which is only natural). I do not see the future ahead of us very dark - especially if we don't give up. I trust the young people. :)
It is our decision-makers that I don't trust at all...
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Forgot to mention that the area I live in is conservative, many people here are laestadians: big families, strong values and a cautious approach to islam... in fact, the last time I saw a person recognisably immigrant in Jääli was last summer. :)
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 28.12.2012, 18:47:57
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:30:41
The Swedish Evangelic-Lutheran church(which only calls it self "Svenska kyrkan") have actually hired and pay the cost of a muslim Imam in Stockholm. They do not just love islam, they actually promote it.
I read the article and had an instant brain meltdown.
QuoteVarför ska just kyrkan anställa en imam?
– Kyrkan måste sträcka ut en hand och hjälpa goda krafter, och hjälpa unga hitta sig själva så att de inte hamnar i extremism. Svenska kyrkan har fortfarande makt och pengar att göra det här, säger Maria Kjellsdotter Rydinger.
One of the members of parliament actually suggested sharia as a legal alternative for Muslems in Finland. Good grief, this world! >:(
I fully sympathise with you, the swedish church is all other than christian. Now days it's actually a radical left-wing organisation and they are not even trying to hide it.
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:48:36
Where in Finland does your relatives live?
Why is Swedish peoples party so pro mass immigration?
Most of them live in the region of Vasa in Österbotten.
In 2009 SFP came up with the 'Kasnäs- manifesto', a plan how to make the party grow its support. They were hoping to more than double it and reach a ten percent voter support:
QuoteThe Kasnäs-manifesto
Svenska folkpartiet - Suomen ruotsalainen kansanpuolue
Thesis 1
We are the liberal party of Finland, with a strong Nordic and European dimension. Our liberalism builds on respect for humankind, the freedoms and rights of individuals, gender equality, and social and global responsibility.
Thesis 2
We support welfare that is built on humanity and solidarity and that meets the need for secure and individual choices. We emphasize the responsibility of individuals for themselves and for others. Prosperity is created in interplay between public services, the third sector, active citizens, and private initiatives.
Thesis 3
Language is a resource. Bilingualism is a national factor of success that requires a robust knowledge of swedish. Bilingualism also has to be combined with a respect for all mother tongues and all cultures in Finland. We strive for society to guarantee functioning services in both national languages – Swedish and Finnish. We are deeply committed to the Åland Islands and to defending their autonomy.
Thesis 4
We are a party of cultures and welcome immigration to our country – not because it is easy, but because we want to. Successful integration enables new citizens to become a natural part of society, the labour market, and the political life of Finland.
Thesis 5
We are the party for education and culture. We want to invest in education, because a skilled population constitutes the basis for prosperity and international competitiveness. Cultural heritage and a changeable milieu create a vibrant culture. The Finland of tomorrow is built on this foundation.
Thesis 6
We are the party for entrepreneurs, striving to improve the conditions for entrepreneurship in our country. This creates well-being and increased employment. Finland needs flourishing and profitable businesses.
Thesis 7
We take responsibility for our local environment and for the Baltic Sea. We want to solve the global environment problems and create a cleaner world. The solutions are found in environmental awareness, innovations, and ecological economy. Our future is to develop sustainably.
Thesis 8
We are a political citizens' movement. The prosperous Finland needs its national movements. Voluntary commitment creates community and quality of life. Culture, sports, local activities, and associations strengthen identity and serve an important purpose in our society. There must be room and time for voluntary activities in life.
Thesis 9
We are the party for the countryside as well as cities. Prospering primary industries and functioning societal services create the basis for a thriving countryside. In the ever more urbanized world in which we live the services that society provides need to give more consideration to individual needs. The Finland of tomorrow needs countryside and archipelago as well as towns and cities.
Thesis 10
We shall be a growing party with a clear vision that forms the Finland of tomorrow and assumes responsibility for it. We shall with open minds seek new ways of working to reach our goals. By being proactive we can be more in favour and less against.
If SPP can fullfill meet these theses we can becoma a ten percent party. Kasnäs is only the beginning of the process.
http://sfp.fi/sv/start/kasnas/kaslish/
QuoteHELSINGFORS. Den framtidskonferens som Svenska Folkpartiet höll i Kasnäs i helgen resulterade bland annat i ett nytt manifest, Kasnäsmanifestet. Manifestet innehåller tio teser för hur SFP ska växa som parti.
.
SFP ser tre grupper av potentiella nya väljare: Medlemmar av tvåspråkiga familjer, nyfinländare samt väljare som oberoende av språk är intresserade av det liberala budskapet.
http://www.vasabladet.fi/story.aspx?storyID=49832
This strategy has not been working, the support has remained firmly under five percent.
It also seems as although Swedish-speaking Finns welcome foreigners in theory, they feel that in their own village and city the number of foreigners is sufficient. They have been called hypocritical due to this, according to this article (and also by me):
QuoteI teorin vill de svenskspråkiga gärna underlätta invandring, men när det kommer till den egna byn eller staden är inställningen mindre välkomnande. En stor del anser att vi redan nått lämplig invandrartäthet i hemknutarna.
Gärna invandrare alltså - men inte på min bakgård.
Den här diskrepansen mellan teori och verklighet har satt igång en livlig debatt på nätet om hycklande finlanssvenskar. Förmodligen finns samma glapp mellan den vi vill vara och den vi är också hos majoritetsbefolkningen, men just den här frågan har inte alls utretts på nationellt plan.
http://hbl.fi/opinion/ledare/2009-10-17/invandrare-ocksa-pa-var-bakgard
Edit; A couple of Capital letters were missing..
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 20:36:54
... the swedish church is all other than christian. Now days it's actually a radical left-wing organisation and they are not even trying to hide it.
It is true what you say about Svenka Kyrkan, and it is the same also with Finnish Lutheran Church, and because of that I am not a member of our Finnish Lutheran Church anymore. I still believe in Jesus, but the lutheran liberal church is not for me.
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 20:36:54
I fully sympathise with you, the swedish church is all other than christian. Now days it's actually a radical left-wing organisation and they are not even trying to hide it.
The less tax-paying members they have, the less power they will hold. In Finland, you pay tax to the church if you are a member. Also companies have to pay to the church through
yhteisövero (I don't know what it is in Swedish, something like
communal tax in English).
I just checked and it seems that the evangelic-lutheran church anticipates to get even more tax through this
yhteisövero next year:
http://sakasti.evl.fi/sakasti.nsf/sp?open&cid=Content22862F
In my opinion, our church has forgotten its values and its main purpose: to guide, help and serve its members. It has become a political institution that licks any butt to retain its power.
(Sorry for the ugly expression but that's how I feel.)
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 28.12.2012, 20:51:17
In my opinion, our church has forgotten its values and its main purpose: to guide, help and serve its members. It has become a political institution that licks any butt to retain its power.
(Sorry for the ugly expression but that's how I feel.)
The more cultural-marxists in church in gharge the more it goes to the hell.
The main job in church is gospel.To guide, help and serve its members comes after that.
Quote from: elukka on 28.12.2012, 21:03:42
The main job in church is gospel.To guide, help and serve its members comes after that.
I thought that the "guide" part was the gospel. But then again, I'm currently a churchless refugee, what do I know. :-*
Even if kekkeruusi is going to decapitate me for this: I think the church is one tool in preventing islam from gaining ground in Finland (and Sweden). What do we do when the bishops (Irma Askola in the front) feel honoured when given the chance to look at islamic butts in prayer whilst (as a bishop) made sit at the back of the islamic prayer room?
If I were born to islam, my genitals would probably be mutilated, I would probably have to wear a burqha, and I would not be allowed to think for myself. I cannot understand what goes on in the minds of people that bow to islam in the civilized European countries, including Sweden and Finland.
QuoteI cannot understand what goes on in the minds of people that bow to islam in the civilized European countries, including Sweden and Finland.
I believe that the western love of islam is a bizarre form of self hate.
There are people who unconsciously detect the vast disparity between their own abilities and all the goodness and advancement of western society and so they feel very inferior which could turn to pathological self hate which in turn reflects as hate towards western society and it's values. The unconscious remedy is to hate all things western and adore every value system and culture which opposes our own culture. So promoting as exotic beliefs as possible is a kind of psychological mechanism aimed for survival of the ego and that trait implicates an urge to destroy all things western although this need and will to create havoc is unconscious. So people who feel inferior tend to promote multiculturalism. They are full of hate and this is part of the reason why they see "hate" everywhere themselves excluded: they mirror and reflect their own self hate to the surrounding society and it's bulding blocks, values.
Quote from: elukka on 28.12.2012, 20:34:22
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 18:30:41
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 28.12.2012, 18:21:46
^ You follow the rules much better than we do! ;D
I left the membership of the Finnish evangelic-lutheran church last year because they have a very welcoming attitude towards islam among bishops and especially in southern Finland. How is it in Sweden? Are muslims the "brothers" of Christian church, as it seems to be the case here?
The Swedish church is of course much more radical.
The Swedish Evangelic-Lutheran church(which only calls it self "Svenska kyrkan") have actually hired and pay the cost of a muslim Imam in Stockholm. They do not just love islam, they actually promote it.http://www.kyrkanstidning.se/nyhet/imam-far-jobb-i-kyrkan
They have many years now funded, helped and participated in pride parades all over the country and some years ago they had this exhibition in their most holy of churches. (http://www.ohlson.se/utstallningar_ecce.htm)
Others from that the church are now working for more immigration and have many times openly taken a firm stand for massive immigration and hate against any one who opposes.
Martin Luther would turn in his coffein because of swedish "Lutheran" Church....
They should state their real political line:
"Svenska kyrkan your marxist-queerist-antiswedish and PC guide to life!"
Quote from: -PPT- on 28.12.2012, 20:31:32
I'm not that familiar with Sweden but I know a lot about Denmark and Norway and those countries also have high immigration-populations and in both countries there has been a lot of discussion that even in cities where most immigrants live, it is quite common that white Norwegians/Danes only hang out with other white Norwegians/Danes. It has been considered as a major problem from the perspective of the multiculti-industry that people can still choose who they want to be friends with and immigrants from certain countries and the indigenous population, as they have really nothing in common with each other, do not feel any ned to be each other's friends.
Very few sweds want to live close to or hangs out with immigrants, this is one of the best argument against multiculturalism.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 28.12.2012, 22:06:35
QuoteI cannot understand what goes on in the minds of people that bow to islam in the civilized European countries, including Sweden and Finland.
I believe that the western love of islam is a bizarre form of self hate.
There are people who unconsciously detect the vast disparity between their own abilities and all the goodness and advancement of western society and so they feel very inferior which could turn to pathological self hate which in turn reflects as hate towards western society and it's values. The unconscious remedy is to hate all things western and adore every value system and culture which opposes our own culture. So promoting as exotic beliefs as possible is a kind of psychological mechanism aimed for survival of the ego and that trait implicates an urge to destroy all things western although this need and will to create havoc is unconscious. So people who feel inferior tend to promote multiculturalism. They are full of hate and this is part of the reason why they see "hate" everywhere themselves excluded: they mirror and reflect their own self hate to the surrounding society and it's bulding blocks, values.
Two thumbs up for this one. Eino combined in a very eloquent way a few things I've thought about myself. Feeling of inadequacy -> hate towards what is better than you -> worship of otherness -> mirroring, all this fuss about hate hate hate when it is nowhere to be found.
Quote from: chacha2 on 28.12.2012, 20:43:53
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:48:36
Where in Finland does your relatives live?
Why is Swedish peoples party so pro mass immigration?
Most of them live in the region of Vasa in Österbotten.
In 2009 SFP came up with the 'Kasnäs- manifesto', a plan how to make the party grow its support. They were hoping to more than double it and reach a ten percent voter support:
QuoteThe Kasnäs-manifesto
Svenska folkpartiet - Suomen ruotsalainen kansanpuolue
Thesis 1
We are the liberal party of Finland, with a strong Nordic and European dimension. Our liberalism builds on respect for humankind, the freedoms and rights of individuals, gender equality, and social and global responsibility.
Thesis 2
We support welfare that is built on humanity and solidarity and that meets the need for secure and individual choices. We emphasize the responsibility of individuals for themselves and for others. Prosperity is created in interplay between public services, the third sector, active citizens, and private initiatives.
Thesis 3
Language is a resource. Bilingualism is a national factor of success that requires a robust knowledge of swedish. Bilingualism also has to be combined with a respect for all mother tongues and all cultures in Finland. We strive for society to guarantee functioning services in both national languages – Swedish and Finnish. We are deeply committed to the Åland Islands and to defending their autonomy.
Thesis 4
We are a party of cultures and welcome immigration to our country – not because it is easy, but because we want to. Successful integration enables new citizens to become a natural part of society, the labour market, and the political life of Finland.
Thesis 5
We are the party for education and culture. We want to invest in education, because a skilled population constitutes the basis for prosperity and international competitiveness. Cultural heritage and a changeable milieu create a vibrant culture. The Finland of tomorrow is built on this foundation.
Thesis 6
We are the party for entrepreneurs, striving to improve the conditions for entrepreneurship in our country. This creates well-being and increased employment. Finland needs flourishing and profitable businesses.
Thesis 7
We take responsibility for our local environment and for the Baltic Sea. We want to solve the global environment problems and create a cleaner world. The solutions are found in environmental awareness, innovations, and ecological economy. Our future is to develop sustainably.
Thesis 8
We are a political citizens' movement. The prosperous Finland needs its national movements. Voluntary commitment creates community and quality of life. Culture, sports, local activities, and associations strengthen identity and serve an important purpose in our society. There must be room and time for voluntary activities in life.
Thesis 9
We are the party for the countryside as well as cities. Prospering primary industries and functioning societal services create the basis for a thriving countryside. In the ever more urbanized world in which we live the services that society provides need to give more consideration to individual needs. The Finland of tomorrow needs countryside and archipelago as well as towns and cities.
Thesis 10
We shall be a growing party with a clear vision that forms the Finland of tomorrow and assumes responsibility for it. We shall with open minds seek new ways of working to reach our goals. By being proactive we can be more in favour and less against.
If SPP can fullfill meet these theses we can becoma a ten percent party. Kasnäs is only the beginning of the process.
http://sfp.fi/sv/start/kasnas/kaslish/
QuoteHELSINGFORS. Den framtidskonferens som Svenska Folkpartiet höll i Kasnäs i helgen resulterade bland annat i ett nytt manifest, Kasnäsmanifestet. Manifestet innehåller tio teser för hur SFP ska växa som parti.
.
SFP ser tre grupper av potentiella nya väljare: Medlemmar av tvåspråkiga familjer, nyfinländare samt väljare som oberoende av språk är intresserade av det liberala budskapet.
http://www.vasabladet.fi/story.aspx?storyID=49832
This strategy has not been working, the support has remained firmly under five percent.
It also seems as although Swedish-speaking Finns welcome foreigners in theory, they feel that in their own village and city the number of foreigners is sufficient. They have been called hypocritical due to this, according to this article (and also by me):
QuoteI teorin vill de svenskspråkiga gärna underlätta invandring, men när det kommer till den egna byn eller staden är inställningen mindre välkomnande. En stor del anser att vi redan nått lämplig invandrartäthet i hemknutarna.
Gärna invandrare alltså - men inte på min bakgård.
Den här diskrepansen mellan teori och verklighet har satt igång en livlig debatt på nätet om hycklande finlanssvenskar. Förmodligen finns samma glapp mellan den vi vill vara och den vi är också hos majoritetsbefolkningen, men just den här frågan har inte alls utretts på nationellt plan.
http://hbl.fi/opinion/ledare/2009-10-17/invandrare-ocksa-pa-var-bakgard
Edit; A couple of Capital letters were missing..
These people are so stupid, they seems almost... swedish. Why why why are they so in love with immigrants. Do they want Finland to burn or what? (Sorry for not arguing in a good fashion but I am so upset by these stupid semi-sweds)
Quote from: Emo on 28.12.2012, 20:49:46
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 20:36:54
... the swedish church is all other than christian. Now days it's actually a radical left-wing organisation and they are not even trying to hide it.
It is true what you say about Svenka Kyrkan, and it is the same also with Finnish Lutheran Church, and because of that I am not a member of our Finnish Lutheran Church anymore. I still believe in Jesus, but the lutheran liberal church is not for me.
I have not been a member of the church for a long time.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 28.12.2012, 22:06:35
QuoteI cannot understand what goes on in the minds of people that bow to islam in the civilized European countries, including Sweden and Finland.
I believe that the western love of islam is a bizarre form of self hate.
There are people who unconsciously detect the vast disparity between their own abilities and all the goodness and advancement of western society and so they feel very inferior which could turn to pathological self hate which in turn reflects as hate towards western society and it's values. The unconscious remedy is to hate all things western and adore every value system and culture which opposes our own culture. So promoting as exotic beliefs as possible is a kind of psychological mechanism aimed for survival of the ego and that trait implicates an urge to destroy all things western although this need and will to create havoc is unconscious. So people who feel inferior tend to promote multiculturalism. They are full of hate and this is part of the reason why they see "hate" everywhere themselves excluded: they mirror and reflect their own self hate to the surrounding society and it's bulding blocks, values.
In Sweden people believe Islam to be a nice form of christianity and the only reason people not liking it is because brown and black people mainly are in the religion. Its the evil racist again hating all that is actually full of love an beauty just because the colour of peoples skin.
Sweds know nothing about islam and they are not keen on learning.
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 22:29:58
Quote from: Emo on 28.12.2012, 20:49:46
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 20:36:54
... the swedish church is all other than christian. Now days it's actually a radical left-wing organisation and they are not even trying to hide it.
It is true what you say about Svenka Kyrkan, and it is the same also with Finnish Lutheran Church, and because of that I am not a member of our Finnish Lutheran Church anymore. I still believe in Jesus, but the lutheran liberal church is not for me.
I have not been a member of the church for a long time.
Why did you leave church? You don't believe in Jesus? Or was it because of churches political opinions?
Personal question, but I ask it. You answer if you want to answer.
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 28.12.2012, 20:34:46
I might be biased, but all the young men I know are studying, going to army or working between studies. I live in a village near Oulu and see the local youth very positively (with a few exceptions which is only natural).
Was it not though year -two back the news from Oulu city itself about the huge youth unemployment figures, and those youths wit no army, no education, no kob and no intrest? I think your village is a good one that still cares... You seen that documentary "Arvottomat"?
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 22:32:49
In Sweden people believe Islam to be a nice form of christianity ...
That is exactly the same that also finnish bishops and priests have started to teach us recently... only some bishops and priests so far but it spreads.
They are teaching to people that, after all, we all believe in same one god. That is a big lie.
I still have not lost faith in the church although I have lost faith in the Finnish Evangelic-Lutheran church. It is all about who we choose to be and to live that reality.
I have a very ... hmmm ... personal spiritual background. But in all the options that I see laid out in front of me, I choose to promote Christianity. Not the one promoted by our churches but the original one based on values (before Christianity was formed into a church): love yourself and love your neighbour with whom you share the same values, defend this from the outside influences and and be brave in front of opposition.
We practically have nothing to lose (because in the plans of the powers to be we have already lost), so all that is required is to continue our fight for Love. Love for our loved ones, love for our traditions, love for our culture. To love is the key, like Eino from Kerava said. Islam is based on mental ignorance and hate, we are the opposite. We want to make every individual flourish, to be an important part of the society. But in equality.
Multiculturalism is all about inequality. It is about raising the illiterate camel drivers (and their multiple wives) to the level of people who spent at least 12 years at school learning to read and write and do the math, to make them look like equal to us.
It is not so. The camel driver cannot be what the native is even with the basic education, with the language, social and cultural capabilities that we possess. I would assess that for an immigrant it takes 15+ years to really understand what Finland is all about. These "African and middle-eastern golden eggs" are a total fraud. They cannot become Finnish (or Swedish) because their culture is too different. They will just form another "gypsy culture". We can prevent this by not accepting any more refugees from these countries. Like I said in one blog message in Uusi Suomi, I would like to see the borders of Finland closed from any more immigrants from Somalia until we know better how to deal with them. For that, I got a warning from Uusi Suomi. And, on Christmas Eve, I got banned altogether for presenting our (Homma) law initiative there of not giving cash to the so-called refugees whilst still taking care of their basic needs.
It is what it is. And we continue. :)
QuoteThese people are so stupid, they seems almost... swedish. Why why why are they so in love with immigrants. Do they want Finland to burn or what? (Sorry for not arguing in a good fashion but I am so upset by these stupid semi-sweds)
Well, we usually tell them to move to their paradise in Sweden - everyone would be happy ;)
In the 1920's the communists were driven to the Soviet border to make the choice easier, but its not fashionable any more. But we could exchange our SFP to your SD, then we would have a totally differently irritating minority party ;)
I quit the church 20 years ago when I turned 18 and the recent developments have proved that my decision was the right one. I know that in Sweden you have the same system of church-taxes as here in Finland. I really find it incredible that still something like 80% of the population choose to pay between 1-2% of their annual income, depending on the congregation they are members of, if the option is just not to pay that money.
Furthermore, I wouldn't have a problem with paying 1-2% of my annual income to some church if I viewed that church to be a nice philanthropic organisation but unfortunately they prove time and again to be just the opposite.
The straw which breaks the camel's back is the church's pandering to the fascist ideology called islam.
2013 is probably going to be the most extreme year ever in swedish history when it comes to immigration. The government has put up a goal to double the usual immigration. If they succeed with this there might be up to 200.000 immigrants coming to Sweden every year. Nothing is though sure about this question. But it is good to bear in mind, if this will be the new level of immigrants coming to Sweden what I told earlier about 2025 as a year when sweds becomes in minority will be wrong. It will happen much earlier.
Quote from: Svensken on 29.12.2012, 16:26:59
2013 is probably going to be the most extreme year ever in swedish history when it comes to immigration. The government has put up a goal to double the usual immigration. If they succeed with this there might be up to 200.000 immigrants coming to Sweden every year. Nothing is though sure about this question. But it is good to bear in mind, if this will be the new level of immigrants coming to Sweden what I told earlier about 2025 as a year when sweds becomes in minority will be wrong. It will happen much earlier.
Thinking about those figures, have you ever considered if there was something bigger and meaner going on behind the scene? Decade after decade, more and more immigrants and problems and all that just because of political foolishness?
Quote from: samuliloov on 29.12.2012, 16:48:15
Quote from: Svensken on 29.12.2012, 16:26:59
2013 is probably going to be the most extreme year ever in swedish history when it comes to immigration. The government has put up a goal to double the usual immigration. If they succeed with this there might be up to 200.000 immigrants coming to Sweden every year. Nothing is though sure about this question. But it is good to bear in mind, if this will be the new level of immigrants coming to Sweden what I told earlier about 2025 as a year when sweds becomes in minority will be wrong. It will happen much earlier.
Thinking about those figures, have you ever considered if there was something bigger and meaner going on behind the scene? Decade after decade, more and more immigrants and problems and all that just because of political foolishness?
Bilderberg, freemasons and new world order has an enemy: home, religion and nations....
Charge of the tiinfoil brigade (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/forum/smileyvault-popcorn.gif)
Quote from: Svensken on 29.12.2012, 16:26:59
2013 is probably going to be the most extreme year ever in swedish history when it comes to immigration.
Extreme indeed. According to Migrationsverket (http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/6379.html) asylum related immigration is going to
triple to 45 000 people for the next few years (2013-2016) compared to year 2010 when 15 000 humanitarian residence permits were granted.
QuoteMigrationsverket räknar med 51 000–64 000 asylsökande nästa år, beroende på utvecklingen. (..) Sammantaget bedömer Migrationsverket att cirka 45 000 uppehållstillstånd kommer att beviljas till asylsökande och deras anhöriga samt kvotflyktingar 2013.
Migrationsverket: 54 000 asylsökande nästa år (http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/6378.html) 29.10.2012
samuliloov, elukka:
Of course it makes me wonder, it seems very insidious what's happening but if it would be the groups you're talking about we can not reach them in any way. So it's a bit like cursing some kind of demon that you can not actually fight.
It's better not speculate openly though it scares people away and makes thinks look a bit strange. I never use the "tinfoil-card" on anyone but a ask many people to discuss their own theories in private rather than put them on the public agenda.
Here anyway is a clip with Mona muslim who tells about when she was at the Bilderberg meeting. She said she thought is was a bad gathering(not of the fact that hundreds of the most powerful people meet in secret) but because of the few women there. So here it is, Mona muslim at her best(there is subtitles in english): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSLpFCZAThQ
Quote from: Roope on 29.12.2012, 17:49:51
Quote from: Svensken on 29.12.2012, 16:26:59
2013 is probably going to be the most extreme year ever in swedish history when it comes to immigration.
Extreme indeed. According to Migrationsverket (http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/6379.html) asylum related immigration is going to triple to 45 000 people for the next few years (2013-2016) compared to year 2010 when 15 000 humanitarian residence permits were granted.
QuoteMigrationsverket räknar med 51 000–64 000 asylsökande nästa år, beroende på utvecklingen. (..) Sammantaget bedömer Migrationsverket att cirka 45 000 uppehållstillstånd kommer att beviljas till asylsökande och deras anhöriga samt kvotflyktingar 2013.
Migrationsverket: 54 000 asylsökande nästa år (http://www.migrationsverket.se/info/6378.html) 29.10.2012
Which lovely numbers you found, it seems it's only me here on the forum who is invited to this exotic and and enriching party.
Bad for all you guys, I am VIP ;)
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:48:36
Why is Swedish peoples party so pro mass immigration?
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 22:27:37
These people are so stupid, they seems almost... swedish. Why why why are they so in love with immigrants. Do they want Finland to burn or what? (Sorry for not arguing in a good fashion but I am so upset by these stupid semi-sweds)
Well they have same kind of attitude and methods for finns, as one unnamed religious minority in the United States has for whites. Destroy, divide and conquer.
Many, not all,but very many finn-swed is looking to achieve a better position in relation to finns by promoting immigration and dicreasing the relative propotion of the finns in their own country. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Very simple and effective.
I gues you understand now why some finns have slightly "laddad" attitude to swedish languaege and people.
Luckily, specially finnish nationalists understand, that this kind of anti-finnins thinking is not so common among true-swedes in sweden, than among finn-swedes on Finland.
So co-operation is not impossible between our people.
I am just worried, that Swedes start to flee multiculti from sweden to Finnland, turn to finn-swedes, adapt idiotic attitude and vote for sfp. That would spoil the day.
Sometimes it seems to me that Sweden has something of an inferiority-complex as regards its relatively low population as compared to countries such as Germany, France and Britain. Sweden often speaks of itself as a middle-sized nation even though some countries with higher populations, such as Belgium or the Netherlands refere to themselves as small countries.
Countries like Finland, Norway or Denmark are under no illusion about their meaninglessness. Therefore, they are more at ease with themselves.
Quote from: Svensken on 29.12.2012, 16:26:59
2013 is probably going to be the most extreme year ever in swedish history when it comes to immigration. The government has put up a goal to double the usual immigration. If they succeed with this there might be up to 200.000 immigrants coming to Sweden every year. Nothing is though sure about this question. But it is good to bear in mind, if this will be the new level of immigrants coming to Sweden what I told earlier about 2025 as a year when sweds becomes in minority will be wrong. It will happen much earlier.
Some questions come to mind; how are these people accommodated? Where do you store 200k newcomers in quite a short period of time? I'ts a size of of a quite big town. How can communities handle this financially?
Quote from: vainukoira on 29.12.2012, 20:29:50
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 19:48:36
Why is Swedish peoples party so pro mass immigration?
Quote from: Svensken on 28.12.2012, 22:27:37
These people are so stupid, they seems almost... swedish. Why why why are they so in love with immigrants. Do they want Finland to burn or what? (Sorry for not arguing in a good fashion but I am so upset by these stupid semi-sweds)
Well they have same kind of attitude and methods for finns, as one unnamed religious minority in the United States has for whites. Destroy, divide and conquer.
Many, not all,but very many finn-swed is looking to achieve a better position in relation to finns by promoting immigration and dicreasing the relative propotion of the finns in their own country. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Very simple and effective.
I gues you understand now why some finns have slightly "laddad" attitude to swedish languaege and people.
Luckily, specially finnish nationalists understand, that this kind of anti-finnins thinking is not so common among true-swedes in sweden, than among finn-swedes on Finland.
So co-operation is not impossible between our people.
I am just worried, that Swedes start to flee multiculti from sweden to Finnland, turn to finn-swedes, adapt idiotic attitude and vote for sfp. That would spoil the day.
It would be very sad indeed if Finland became invaded by sweds fleeing Sweden and ending up supporting SFP. The irony would be total.
Quote from: -PPT- on 29.12.2012, 20:50:39
Sometimes it seems to me that Sweden has something of an inferiority-complex as regards its relatively low population as compared to countries such as Germany, France and Britain. Sweden often speaks of itself as a middle-sized nation even though some countries with higher populations, such as Belgium or the Netherlands refere to themselves as small countries.
Countries like Finland, Norway or Denmark are under no illusion about their meaninglessness. Therefore, they are more at ease with themselves.
I really think you really have a point here. Sweden have a very hard time accepting we are not the the middle of the world. Much of Swedish political discussion is centred around arguments and assumptions like we would be though.
Sweden aspire still to be a world power. If they cant be it in terms of numbers or military they can then be it when it comes to taking in the most immigrants in the world.
One message removed. Enough already with the tin foil theories.
Quote from: Spesialisti on 29.12.2012, 21:48:07
Quote from: Svensken on 29.12.2012, 16:26:59
2013 is probably going to be the most extreme year ever in swedish history when it comes to immigration. The government has put up a goal to double the usual immigration. If they succeed with this there might be up to 200.000 immigrants coming to Sweden every year. Nothing is though sure about this question. But it is good to bear in mind, if this will be the new level of immigrants coming to Sweden what I told earlier about 2025 as a year when sweds becomes in minority will be wrong. It will happen much earlier.
Some questions come to mind; how are these people accommodated? Where do you store 200k newcomers in quite a short period of time? I'ts a size of of a quite big town. How can communities handle this financially?
We cant!
There is shortage of housing in almost all swedish cities. The new idea from our migration office is though that ordinary sweds would open up their homes and accommodate families of the new sweds. Except from just getting the sheer joy of having these people close to them selves and their children they might even get some money from the state of course.
^ There is no democracy in the immigration issue. Those who want to open the borders of Sweden and Finland to unrestricted immigration should be the ones to finance it - or alternatively, move to those areas that they feel should be helped and do the work themselves.
Nations are in different curve of evolution. Somalia is very different from Finland and Kurdistan is very different from Sweden - in all aspects. My heart cries for people in distress but I strongly feel that we should find ways to help people at or close to their roots. You cannot expect an uprooted person to become a valuable member of a society that is totally different from theirs.
Yes, there are people and countries that need support. But immigration does not solve any problems.
Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs by Roy Beck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
QuoteThe new idea from our migration office is though that ordinary sweds would open up their homes and accommodate families of the new sweds.
Sounds extremely funny. They should produce a reality-TV serie about this project: it will be pure black ( no pun intended ) comedy!
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 29.12.2012, 22:26:41
^ There is no democracy in the immigration issue. Those who want to open the borders of Sweden and Finland to unrestricted immigration should be the ones to finance it - or alternatively, move to those areas that they feel should be helped and do the work themselves.
Nations are in different curve of evolution. Somalia is very different from Finland and Kurdistan is very different from Sweden - in all aspects. My heart cries for people in distress but I strongly feel that we should find ways to help people at or close to their roots. You cannot expect an uprooted person to become a valuable member of a society that is totally different from theirs.
Yes, there are people and countries that need support. But immigration does not solve any problems.
Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs by Roy Beck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
I agree with you fully!
In Sweden you get all the time in the world to explain why we should have a huge immigration. But if you are critical you get no time at all.
The video you talks about is excellent, everyone should see it!
^ We translated Roy Beck's video into Finnish here at Homma:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhOS5btEmyw
Maybe you could do the same in Swedish? :)
Quote from: Svensken on 29.12.2012, 16:26:59
2013 is probably going to be the most extreme year ever in swedish history when it comes to immigration. The government has put up a goal to double the usual immigration. If they succeed with this there might be up to 200.000 immigrants coming to Sweden every year. Nothing is though sure about this question. But it is good to bear in mind, if this will be the new level of immigrants coming to Sweden what I told earlier about 2025 as a year when sweds becomes in minority will be wrong. It will happen much earlier.
Rahmis (http://rahmispossu.net/2012/12/29/ihmiset-ovat-kyllastyneet-tulijoiden-tulvaan/) translated Björn Schaerström (M) newsmill published text and from that I read that people are slowly starting to think that country is not going to right direction (link to original SD växer för att folket är trötta på dagens invandring (http://www.newsmill.se/artikel/2012/12/06/sd-v-xer-f-r-att-folket-r-tr-tta-p-dagens-invandring)), my questions:
1. has any other media commented that text
2. has there been other similar texts from local politicians
3. I had understood that there were no big problems with refugees from Chile in Finland, did you have those issues Björn mentions or did he mention problems with Chileans there just to show that also refugees from non-Islamic countries can cause serious problems?
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 29.12.2012, 22:33:46
QuoteThe new idea from our migration office is though that ordinary sweds would open up their homes and accommodate families of the new sweds.
Sounds extremely funny. They should produce a reality-TV serie about this project: it will be pure black ( no pun intended ) comedy!
I don't think any TV-station would dare. In immigrant neighbourhoods very strange things happen which would not look good on film. There are many reports of floor drainage being clogged with animal blood and their hair. Many goats are believed to be halal slaughtered in the basements of many areas. There are also extensive talks about many immigrants cooking their food directly on the plates of the stove. When they then move away very extensive cleaning is needed if the stoves are at all able to save. Others from that many places where immigrants spend their days have had to put up signs that you are not allowed to stand on the toilet while doing your needs. Last and worse there are many many reports of immigrants killing animals for fun. Burning bunnies, killing dogs and setting fire to cats and hedgehogs.
The last thing is very horrible, but we as Europeans have to understand that we are the only culture of the world where torturing animals for fun is at all seen as something problematic.
Quote from: Asta Tuominen on 29.12.2012, 23:17:14
^ We translated Roy Beck's video into Finnish here at Homma:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhOS5btEmyw
Maybe you could do the same in Swedish? :)
You are great :)
I think it is in swedish already, otherwise its not a problem most young sweds understand english very well.
Quote from: Tuomas2 on 29.12.2012, 23:19:22
Quote from: Svensken on 29.12.2012, 16:26:59
2013 is probably going to be the most extreme year ever in swedish history when it comes to immigration. The government has put up a goal to double the usual immigration. If they succeed with this there might be up to 200.000 immigrants coming to Sweden every year. Nothing is though sure about this question. But it is good to bear in mind, if this will be the new level of immigrants coming to Sweden what I told earlier about 2025 as a year when sweds becomes in minority will be wrong. It will happen much earlier.
Rahmis (http://rahmispossu.net/2012/12/29/ihmiset-ovat-kyllastyneet-tulijoiden-tulvaan/) translated Björn Schaerström (M) newsmill published text and from that I read that people are slowly starting to think that country is not going to right direction (link to original SD växer för att folket är trötta på dagens invandring (http://www.newsmill.se/artikel/2012/12/06/sd-v-xer-f-r-att-folket-r-tr-tta-p-dagens-invandring)), my questions:
1. has any other media commented that text
2. has there been other similar texts from local politicians
3. I had understood that there were no big problems with refugees from Chile in Finland, did you have those issues Björn mentions or did he mention problems with Chileans there just to show that also refugees from non-Islamic countries can cause serious problems?
1. Only alternative media has written about it. (What in sweden also called by the PC-media for "hate media")
2. Maybe, but they are soon shut down. These ideas are not tolerated on "normal parties". Only the party of hate and evil(SD) lets people state these ideas ;)
3. I think there could be problems when you have so large numbers of immigrants as we are talking about next year probably between 100.000-200.000. The chileans people came when we had very little immigration. And most of them were well educated and politicly active and they were fast integrated in the society (And in the all mighty Social democrats). But the immigrants from MENA(Middle East and North Africa) are more problematic than the others. They tend to be harder to educate and are more easy taking to violence in tensed situations.
Today the heads of the green party came out telling us that saying that ANY problems at all comes from immigration is evil and wrong.
Are the greens in Finland as deranged?
Yes.
Inte är de finska och svenska gröna enbart fullständigt befriade av all normal vett och reson utan somliga är även gifta med varandra (http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-06-07/ville-niinisto-och-maria-wetterstrand-skiljer-sig). Eller åtminstone har de varit. Hittar ingen intresse i utopiska världsfantasier.
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 30.12.2012, 15:13:28
Yes.
I'd say, not really. I know several quite sane "engineering greens." Their presence is almost exclusively limited to the communal level, though. While Helsinki has quite a share of green loonies, neighbouring Espoo (which politicians in Helsinki would want to swallow) has mostly these "engineering greens." This difference probably stems from greens in Helsinki usually studying at University of Helsinki which is strongly humanistic, and that greens in Espoo have often studied in engineering schools of Aalto University (earlier known as Helsinki University of Technology, although it has been located in Espoo for half a century).
Unfortunately green engineers have capability to convert to humanist greens especially in higher positions, but not really vice versa.
Quote from: Masa76 on 30.12.2012, 15:22:03
Inte är de finska och svenska gröna enbart fullständigt befriade av all normal vett och reson utan somliga är även gifta med varandra (http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-06-07/ville-niinisto-och-maria-wetterstrand-skiljer-sig). Eller åtminstone har de varit. Hittar ingen intresse i utopiska världsfantasier.
I have tried to talk to these kind of people many times, but even when they admit that they are wrong in their opinions or world views they simply state "But I want to believe it to be this way"or "I feel bad when I try thinking in that way." They then behave like statements like these have any kind of intellectual or reasonable weight and continue with their lunacy.
How do you handle people like that?
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 15:26:07
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 30.12.2012, 15:13:28
Yes.
I'd say, not really. I know several quite sane "engineering greens." Their presence is almost exclusively limited to the communal level, though. While Helsinki has quite a share of green loonies, neighbouring Espoo (which politicians in Helsinki would want to swallow) has mostly these "engineering greens." This difference probably stems from greens in Helsinki usually studying at University of Helsinki which is strongly humanistic, and that greens in Espoo have often studied in engineering schools of Aalto University (earlier known as Helsinki University of Technology, although it has been located in Espoo for half a century).
Unfortunately green engineers have capability to convert to humanist greens especially in higher positions, but not really vice versa.
These "green engineers" are they just for caring for environment and not bringing immigrants?
Quote from: Svensken on 30.12.2012, 15:07:42
Today the heads of the green party came out telling us that saying that ANY problems at all comes from immigration is evil and wrong.
It's a good sign. There are weak signs everywhere and getting stronger all the time. Slowly but steadily. Public opinion has allready reached the so called "critical mass" and it is just a matter of time when it does so among journalists.
Quote from: Svensken on 30.12.2012, 15:29:39
How do you handle people like that?
We make them ministers and high-rank civil servants.
I think that is a kind of paradox of the greens that they are in favour of environmental-protection,( who isn't?) but at the same time they are in favour of transferring thousands of people from their very low-consuming whereabouts to very high-consuming surroundings where one person consumes more than a village in the third world.
Quote from: Svensken on 30.12.2012, 15:31:48
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 15:26:07
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 30.12.2012, 15:13:28
Yes.
I'd say, not really. I know several quite sane "engineering greens." Their presence is almost exclusively limited to the communal level, though. While Helsinki has quite a share of green loonies, neighbouring Espoo (which politicians in Helsinki would want to swallow) has mostly these "engineering greens." This difference probably stems from greens in Helsinki usually studying at University of Helsinki which is strongly humanistic, and that greens in Espoo have often studied in engineering schools of Aalto University (earlier known as Helsinki University of Technology, although it has been located in Espoo for half a century).
Unfortunately green engineers have capability to convert to humanist greens especially in higher positions, but not really vice versa.
These "green engineers" are they just for caring for environment and not bringing immigrants?
My hunch is that they're much more geared towards practical solutions to real problems than other greens, but choose mostly not to participate in immigration issues at all on their own. This, of course, shifts the decisive power in their party to those that *do* participate in the issue...
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 16:02:40
Quote from: Svensken on 30.12.2012, 15:31:48
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 15:26:07
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 30.12.2012, 15:13:28
Yes.
I'd say, not really. I know several quite sane "engineering greens." Their presence is almost exclusively limited to the communal level, though. While Helsinki has quite a share of green loonies, neighbouring Espoo (which politicians in Helsinki would want to swallow) has mostly these "engineering greens." This difference probably stems from greens in Helsinki usually studying at University of Helsinki which is strongly humanistic, and that greens in Espoo have often studied in engineering schools of Aalto University (earlier known as Helsinki University of Technology, although it has been located in Espoo for half a century).
Unfortunately green engineers have capability to convert to humanist greens especially in higher positions, but not really vice versa.
These "green engineers" are they just for caring for environment and not bringing immigrants?
My hunch is that they're much more geared towards practical solutions to real problems than other greens, but choose mostly not to participate in immigration issues at all on their own. This, of course, shifts the decisive power in their party to those that *do* participate in the issue...
In other words, they are pussies.
Quote from: samuliloov on 30.12.2012, 16:06:03
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 16:02:40
Quote from: Svensken on 30.12.2012, 15:31:48
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 15:26:07
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 30.12.2012, 15:13:28
Yes.
I'd say, not really. I know several quite sane "engineering greens." Their presence is almost exclusively limited to the communal level, though. While Helsinki has quite a share of green loonies, neighbouring Espoo (which politicians in Helsinki would want to swallow) has mostly these "engineering greens." This difference probably stems from greens in Helsinki usually studying at University of Helsinki which is strongly humanistic, and that greens in Espoo have often studied in engineering schools of Aalto University (earlier known as Helsinki University of Technology, although it has been located in Espoo for half a century).
Unfortunately green engineers have capability to convert to humanist greens especially in higher positions, but not really vice versa.
These "green engineers" are they just for caring for environment and not bringing immigrants?
My hunch is that they're much more geared towards practical solutions to real problems than other greens, but choose mostly not to participate in immigration issues at all on their own. This, of course, shifts the decisive power in their party to those that *do* participate in the issue...
In other words, they are pussies.
Maybe so, but then again... often immigration policy is not - and can't be - in the inner circle of communal politics. In those matters that engineering greens participate they're vastly better than "ideological" humanist greens, which are true whackjobs. The unfortunate thing about many things in politics is, of course, that disinterest (usually due to political cow deals inside or between parties) in fields that people don't feel "their own" tends to give minority groups over-emphasized power over silent societal majority. This seems to be the prime way of making as bad immigration politics as Finland does.
Do you have "a Finn, a Swede and a Norwegian" -jokes over there? (Nationalities would maybe ordered differently, though.)
Do you think they might be replaced in future with "Finnish Mohamed, Swedish Mohamed and Norwegian Mohamed" -jokes?
:)
Some people have analyzed the support of the green party and have come to a conclusion that about 95% of their support is within 10km from the canteen of the nearest university.
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 15:26:07
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 30.12.2012, 15:13:28
Yes.
I'd say, not really. I know several quite sane "engineering greens." Their presence is almost exclusively limited to the communal level, though. While Helsinki has quite a share of green loonies, neighbouring Espoo (which politicians in Helsinki would want to swallow) has mostly these "engineering greens." This difference probably stems from greens in Helsinki usually studying at University of Helsinki which is strongly humanistic, and that greens in Espoo have often studied in engineering schools of Aalto University (earlier known as Helsinki University of Technology, although it has been located in Espoo for half a century).
Unfortunately green engineers have capability to convert to humanist greens especially in higher positions, but not really vice versa.
Very well said. The idea of greening of society has to my mind impacted to the rising of many other fields too, such as green tourism, green food, strategic corporate environmental management, environmental sociology and psychology. Naturally environmental energy forms and cleantech are in trend too.
Very good example of 'old-school' environmentalist, environmental engineer (?) and nature philosopher, Eero Paloheimo. He has written critical stories about the impacts and motives etc. of immigration. I even printed my friends last christmas his favorite arguments towards multiculturalism and the present day green people.
In my family there are some more traditional environmental engineers too, but I am not sure about their perceptions on chaotic immigration.
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 16:18:30
Quote from: samuliloov on 30.12.2012, 16:06:03
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 16:02:40
Quote from: Svensken on 30.12.2012, 15:31:48
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 15:26:07
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 30.12.2012, 15:13:28
Yes.
I'd say, not really. I know several quite sane "engineering greens." Their presence is almost exclusively limited to the communal level, though. While Helsinki has quite a share of green loonies, neighbouring Espoo (which politicians in Helsinki would want to swallow) has mostly these "engineering greens." This difference probably stems from greens in Helsinki usually studying at University of Helsinki which is strongly humanistic, and that greens in Espoo have often studied in engineering schools of Aalto University (earlier known as Helsinki University of Technology, although it has been located in Espoo for half a century).
Unfortunately green engineers have capability to convert to humanist greens especially in higher positions, but not really vice versa.
These "green engineers" are they just for caring for environment and not bringing immigrants?
My hunch is that they're much more geared towards practical solutions to real problems than other greens, but choose mostly not to participate in immigration issues at all on their own. This, of course, shifts the decisive power in their party to those that *do* participate in the issue...
In other words, they are pussies.
Maybe so, but then again... often immigration policy is not - and can't be - in the inner circle of communal politics. In those matters that engineering greens participate they're vastly better than "ideological" humanist greens, which are true whackjobs. The unfortunate thing about many things in politics is, of course, that disinterest (usually due to political cow deals inside or between parties) in fields that people don't feel "their own" tends to give minority groups over-emphasized power over silent societal majority. This seems to be the prime way of making as bad immigration politics as Finland does.
In other words, they are too afraid to involve.
Quote from: Svensken on 30.12.2012, 15:29:39
Quote from: Masa76 on 30.12.2012, 15:22:03
Inte är de finska och svenska gröna enbart fullständigt befriade av all normal vett och reson utan somliga är även gifta med varandra (http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-06-07/ville-niinisto-och-maria-wetterstrand-skiljer-sig). Eller åtminstone har de varit. Hittar ingen intresse i utopiska världsfantasier.
I have tried to talk to these kind of people many times, but even when they admit that they are wrong in their opinions or world views they simply state "But I want to believe it to be this way"or "I feel bad when I try thinking in that way." They then behave like statements like these have any kind of intellectual or reasonable weight and continue with their lunacy.
How do you handle people like that?
Are you sure that those people are just not
scared that certain ways to think might seem "racist" or "right wing", and therefore pure evil? These kinds of irrational, partially unconscious fears and prejudices are very important in defining the mental climate of entire Western world. Entire populations are shocked and scared by them, and therefore forced to support what ever poses itself as the opposite. Today what incorrectly poses itself as the opposite of imaginary "pure evil" is multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism has nothing attractive in itself, no high morality, no plausible arguments that could stand a conversation. The other options are just made to look so bad. People are mainly forced to support it or at least not to support the other options, by sheer terror caused by demonic depictions of others options. Western peoples are controlled by these fears and prejudices spread by supporters of multiculturalism. This is how multiculturalism manipulates societies.
There is only one known way to heal these people shocked and confused by fear. That fear can not get rid of (without a very long therapy), but it can be directed elsewhere. You should argue that actually racism and fascist ideas are a lot more common among muslims than critics of multiculturalism. You should also point to the fact that multiculturalism is everything evil that the person is afraid of: a racist project of eugenics that is actively attacking democracy and building a fascist state. It is also allied with conservative pathriarcal islamic nazis that love Hitler and hate Jews.
If the person you are talking to still doesn't get it, use more and more arguments like this. Ask what does (s)he think about jews, homosexuals and other minorities being attacked daily by muslim gangs and fanatics in European cities. Tell heart touching (but true) examples of antisemitic or homophobic attacks. Never speak as if defending the majority. Defend minorities. (You dont need to lie, because your ethnicity too in fact is a small indigenous minority in the EU and the world.) Defend culturally rich world where every ethnicity has the right to exist and maintain their own distinctive cultural traits, and enjoy freedom and self-governance, without anyone controlling, colonizing or assimilating them.
Also it is essential to not look and sound like pure evil yourself. Never argue in ways that make you look demonic. Never be "right wing" or a "racist", not even for the arguments sake. Be more liberal and more leftist than the person you are talking with. And be fair. Not just play it, be it. The point of this is to make it impossible for him/her to see you as "right wing" or "racist". If demonisation is even remotely possible, it will happen. Prejudices are that strong. So it must not be possible at all. A leftist liberal can not be seen "far right". A person talking directly and with a strong emotion against racism, ksenofobia, fascism and such, can not be seen as supporter of those things.
You will see this kinds of arguments are very powerful. They can not be won just by throwing in more prejudices. They destroy prejudices and may trigger a real conversation. They might make some people to act in a schizophrenic way, but some will come to their senses.
Quote from: samuliloov on 30.12.2012, 17:15:20
In other words, they are too afraid to involve.
Very much so.
Quote from: Miniluv on 30.12.2012, 16:32:16
Do you have "a Finn, a Swede and a Norwegian" -jokes over there? (Nationalities would maybe ordered differently, though.)
Do you think they might be replaced in future with "Finnish Mohamed, Swedish Mohamed and Norwegian Mohamed" -jokes?
There's no difference between the Mohameds in other nordic countries so the whole idea of making joke out of the stereotypes is lost.
Quote from: J. Lanta on 30.12.2012, 16:47:21
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 15:26:07
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 30.12.2012, 15:13:28
Yes.
I'd say, not really. I know several quite sane "engineering greens." Their presence is almost exclusively limited to the communal level, though. While Helsinki has quite a share of green loonies, neighbouring Espoo (which politicians in Helsinki would want to swallow) has mostly these "engineering greens." This difference probably stems from greens in Helsinki usually studying at University of Helsinki which is strongly humanistic, and that greens in Espoo have often studied in engineering schools of Aalto University (earlier known as Helsinki University of Technology, although it has been located in Espoo for half a century).
Unfortunately green engineers have capability to convert to humanist greens especially in higher positions, but not really vice versa.
Very well said. The idea of greening of society has to my mind impacted to the rising of many other fields too, such as green tourism, green food, strategic corporate environmental management, environmental sociology and psychology. Naturally environmental energy forms and cleantech are in trend too.
Very good example of 'old-school' environmentalist, environmental engineer (?) and nature philosopher, Eero Paloheimo. He has written critical stories about the impacts and motives etc. of immigration. I even printed my friends last christmas his favorite arguments towards multiculturalism and the present day green people.
[..]
I believe that the situation within the Finnish Green party is more complex than that. There are certainly some "engineering greens", such as Paloheimo, but there are also some prominent Greens with a classical liberalistic background such as Osmo Soininvaara and Jyrki Kasvi (who might also pass for an "engineering green"). Soininvaara is a statistician, and a graduate of the University of Helsinki. It would be very strange if any (classical) liberal would utter such extremisms as "
saying that ANY problems at all come from immigration is evil and wrong".
Personally I don't believe that any prominent Finnish Green would state such an extreme opinion, but of course I might be wrong. If Uuno or anybody else knows of a quotation (including who, where and when) to that effect, please link or state your sources.
It is quite possible, though, that some prominent Finnish Greens think in that way, but are too responsible to to embarrass their party by saying that aloud. Maybe this reflects a difference between the situation in Sweden and Finland, or a difference between the Finnish and Swedish Greens.
Svensken, could you elaborate on the context in which the heads of the Green party blurted the quotation? I would also be grateful for the names of the persons and the exact quotation in Swedish - I have a hunch that this can become a classic.
QuoteIt is quite possible, though, that some prominent Finnish Greens think in that way, but are too responsible to to embarrass their party by saying that aloud. Maybe this reflects a difference between the situation in Sweden and Finland, or a difference between the Finnish and Swedish Greens.
What makes you all think that there would not be such engineer-greens in Sverigestan as well? ???
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 30.12.2012, 22:06:10
QuoteIt is quite possible, though, that some prominent Finnish Greens think in that way, but are too responsible to to embarrass their party by saying that aloud. Maybe this reflects a difference between the situation in Sweden and Finland, or a difference between the Finnish and Swedish Greens.
What makes you all think that there would not be such engineer-greens in Sverigestan as well? ???
Sorry, I didn't express myself clearly. I meant that there might be some prominent Finnish Greens who think that "
saying that ANY problems at all come from immigration is evil and wrong", but don't say it aloud. Such bigotry might easily be used against the Finnish Green party.
To answer your question, I don't know the Swedish Green party well enough to say anything about the existence of engineer-greens within it. Maybe Svensken has more information on this.
This is starting to sound like what would be the right angle for your little finger when lifting the teacup..
I bluntly say; same shit, different country. ;)
Quote from: Miniluv on 30.12.2012, 16:32:16
Do you have "a Finn, a Swede and a Norwegian" -jokes over there? (Nationalities would maybe ordered differently, though.)
Do you think they might be replaced in future with "Finnish Mohamed, Swedish Mohamed and Norwegian Mohamed" -jokes?
:)
We have like norwegian and some, like "Why dont they have doors on Norwegian toilets? The dont want to take the risk of someone looking through the keay hole." Then we also have jokes like "Norsken, dansken och Bellman(Swed)." But they are not like about typical national things, just silly.
I've heard you have loads of swedish jokes?
I would love to get many of hem here, in PM or get a link to some site with swedish jokes :)
Quote from: Pöllämystynyt on 30.12.2012, 17:47:13
Quote from: Svensken on 30.12.2012, 15:29:39
Quote from: Masa76 on 30.12.2012, 15:22:03
Inte är de finska och svenska gröna enbart fullständigt befriade av all normal vett och reson utan somliga är även gifta med varandra (http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-06-07/ville-niinisto-och-maria-wetterstrand-skiljer-sig). Eller åtminstone har de varit. Hittar ingen intresse i utopiska världsfantasier.
I have tried to talk to these kind of people many times, but even when they admit that they are wrong in their opinions or world views they simply state "But I want to believe it to be this way"or "I feel bad when I try thinking in that way." They then behave like statements like these have any kind of intellectual or reasonable weight and continue with their lunacy.
How do you handle people like that?
Are you sure that those people are just not scared that certain ways to think might seem "racist" or "right wing", and therefore pure evil? These kinds of irrational, partially unconscious fears and prejudices are very important in defining the mental climate of entire Western world. Entire populations are shocked and scared by them, and therefore forced to support what ever poses itself as the opposite. Today what incorrectly poses itself as the opposite of imaginary "pure evil" is multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism has nothing attractive in itself, no high morality, no plausible arguments that could stand a conversation. The other options are just made to look so bad. People are mainly forced to support it or at least not to support the other options, by sheer terror caused by demonic depictions of others options. Western peoples are controlled by these fears and prejudices spread by supporters of multiculturalism. This is how multiculturalism manipulates societies.
There is only one known way to heal these people shocked and confused by fear. That fear can not get rid of (without a very long therapy), but it can be directed elsewhere. You should argue that actually racism and fascist ideas are a lot more common among muslims than critics of multiculturalism. You should also point to the fact that multiculturalism is everything evil that the person is afraid of: a racist project of eugenics that is actively attacking democracy and building a fascist state. It is also allied with conservative pathriarcal islamic nazis that love Hitler and hate Jews.
If the person you are talking to still doesn't get it, use more and more arguments like this. Ask what does (s)he think about jews, homosexuals and other minorities being attacked daily by muslim gangs and fanatics in European cities. Tell heart touching (but true) examples of antisemitic or homophobic attacks. Never speak as if defending the majority. Defend minorities. (You dont need to lie, because your ethnicity too in fact is a small indigenous minority in the EU and the world.) Defend culturally rich world where every ethnicity has the right to exist and maintain their own distinctive cultural traits, and enjoy freedom and self-governance, without anyone controlling, colonizing or assimilating them.
Also it is essential to not look and sound like pure evil yourself. Never argue in ways that make you look demonic. Never be "right wing" or a "racist", not even for the arguments sake. Be more liberal and more leftist than the person you are talking with. And be fair. Not just play it, be it. The point of this is to make it impossible for him/her to see you as "right wing" or "racist". If demonisation is even remotely possible, it will happen. Prejudices are that strong. So it must not be possible at all. A leftist liberal can not be seen "far right". A person talking directly and with a strong emotion against racism, ksenofobia, fascism and such, can not be seen as supporter of those things.
You will see this kinds of arguments are very powerful. They can not be won just by throwing in more prejudices. They destroy prejudices and may trigger a real conversation. They might make some people to act in a schizophrenic way, but some will come to their senses.
You are right that they are probably scared shit for the "pure evil" I am saying.
If you get unlimited time to influence these people, of course you can change them. But Swedes don't like very long and complicated discussions especially when they creeps people out because they challenge their world view.
Quote from: ike60 on 30.12.2012, 21:59:13
Quote from: J. Lanta on 30.12.2012, 16:47:21
Quote from: foobar on 30.12.2012, 15:26:07
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 30.12.2012, 15:13:28
Yes.
I'd say, not really. I know several quite sane "engineering greens." Their presence is almost exclusively limited to the communal level, though. While Helsinki has quite a share of green loonies, neighbouring Espoo (which politicians in Helsinki would want to swallow) has mostly these "engineering greens." This difference probably stems from greens in Helsinki usually studying at University of Helsinki which is strongly humanistic, and that greens in Espoo have often studied in engineering schools of Aalto University (earlier known as Helsinki University of Technology, although it has been located in Espoo for half a century).
Unfortunately green engineers have capability to convert to humanist greens especially in higher positions, but not really vice versa.
Very well said. The idea of greening of society has to my mind impacted to the rising of many other fields too, such as green tourism, green food, strategic corporate environmental management, environmental sociology and psychology. Naturally environmental energy forms and cleantech are in trend too.
Very good example of 'old-school' environmentalist, environmental engineer (?) and nature philosopher, Eero Paloheimo. He has written critical stories about the impacts and motives etc. of immigration. I even printed my friends last christmas his favorite arguments towards multiculturalism and the present day green people.
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I believe that the situation within the Finnish Green party is more complex than that. There are certainly some "engineering greens", such as Paloheimo, but there are also some prominent Greens with a classical liberalistic background such as Osmo Soininvaara and Jyrki Kasvi (who might also pass for an "engineering green"). Soininvaara is a statistician, and a graduate of the University of Helsinki. It would be very strange if any (classical) liberal would utter such extremisms as "saying that ANY problems at all come from immigration is evil and wrong".
Personally I don't believe that any prominent Finnish Green would state such an extreme opinion, but of course I might be wrong. If Uuno or anybody else knows of a quotation (including who, where and when) to that effect, please link or state your sources.
It is quite possible, though, that some prominent Finnish Greens think in that way, but are too responsible to to embarrass their party by saying that aloud. Maybe this reflects a difference between the situation in Sweden and Finland, or a difference between the Finnish and Swedish Greens.
Svensken, could you elaborate on the context in which the heads of the Green party blurted the quotation? I would also be grateful for the names of the persons and the exact quotation in Swedish - I have a hunch that this can become a classic.
Nice your greens have some kind of feeling for dignity any way. Sweden is a full time circus and a big joke!
Quote from: ike60 on 30.12.2012, 23:04:22
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 30.12.2012, 22:06:10
QuoteIt is quite possible, though, that some prominent Finnish Greens think in that way, but are too responsible to to embarrass their party by saying that aloud. Maybe this reflects a difference between the situation in Sweden and Finland, or a difference between the Finnish and Swedish Greens.
What makes you all think that there would not be such engineer-greens in Sverigestan as well? ???
Sorry, I didn't express myself clearly. I meant that there might be some prominent Finnish Greens who think that "saying that ANY problems at all come from immigration is evil and wrong", but don't say it aloud. Such bigotry might easily be used against the Finnish Green party.
To answer your question, I don't know the Swedish Green party well enough to say anything about the existence of engineer-greens within it. Maybe Svensken has more information on this.
I know to little about the composition of the Green party, but now days they care little for the environment. They simply want massive immigration and have supported the now ruling right-wing government in the economic policies and just having ONE DEMAND. And this demand if of course is continuing massive immigration.
Quote from: Svensken on 01.01.2013, 14:33:43
Nice your greens have some kind of feeling for dignity any way. Sweden is a full time circus and a big joke!
Individuals are capable of having dignity. Organizations, especially parties, not so often. Organizations don't have soul which makes it hard maintain dignity. And higher one gets in an established organization, less soul (s)he tends to have left, because someone else will get there otherwise. In my opinion this applies to Finnish greens quite well.
Ulkopuolinen:
I really like your spirit when it comes to the oppressors in media and politics.
Very interesting to learn about "the big guns"
Some people here in Sweden call the Swedish variant of "Democracy" for "Demokratur".
I've heard that despite the rapidly rising population the remote northern areas of Sweden are losing population fast. Even that has been used as an excuse for receiving more and more immigrants. As if those immigrants were willing to live somewhere in the middle of forests if they can easily live in the cosmopolitan atmosphere of Stockholm or Göteborg.
Quote from: -PPT- on 01.01.2013, 20:48:34
I've heard that despite the rapidly rising population the remote northern areas of Sweden are losing population fast. Even that has been used as an excuse for receiving more and more immigrants. As if those immigrants were willing to live somewhere in the middle of forests if they can easily live in the cosmopolitan atmosphere of Stockholm or Göteborg.
As I understand it there is a huge urbanisation going on in the north of Sweden. Almost all smaller communes are having huge economic and demographic problems. The bigger ones grows bigger on the expense on the small ones. And in a generation the forest inland communes will be all gone.
Could you told about swedish schools and pre-schools sexual-neutral education? What kind of methods they use to grow pupils? Boys in pink dresses and girls with lorrys or what's going on in swedish schools?
Quote from: Svensken on 01.01.2013, 14:29:15
Quote from: Miniluv on 30.12.2012, 16:32:16
Do you have "a Finn, a Swede and a Norwegian" -jokes over there? (Nationalities would maybe ordered differently, though.)
Do you think they might be replaced in future with "Finnish Mohamed, Swedish Mohamed and Norwegian Mohamed" -jokes?
:)
We have like norwegian and some, like "Why dont they have doors on Norwegian toilets? The dont want to take the risk of someone looking through the keay hole." Then we also have jokes like "Norsken, dansken och Bellman(Swed)." But they are not like about typical national things, just silly.
I've heard you have loads of swedish jokes?
I would love to get many of hem here, in PM or get a link to some site with swedish jokes :)
There is a stereotype of Swedish men being sort of gayish by their metrosexual appearance. Many jokes are about that.
Examples:
- Two Swedish couples were bored with their sex lives and decided to do some partner swinging. They got together and did what they planned to do in separate rooms. During the session one of the women started wondering aloud: "I wonder how the boys are doing?"
- Why there is always one man and woman officer in a Swedish police car? To avoid workplace romances.
- Pekka had been on short trip in Stockholm and so totally drunk he didn't remember anything of it. One thing he mentioned: It's strange that you only get a headache after memory loss drinking anywhere except Sweden, there you get aching ass as well..
Quote from: Svensken on 01.01.2013, 14:33:43
Nice your greens have some kind of feeling for dignity any way. Sweden is a full time circus and a big joke!
You probably didn't notice that I had a question at the end:
Svensken, could you elaborate on the context in which the heads of the Green party blurted the quotation "
saying that ANY problems at all come from immigration is evil and wrong"? I would also be grateful for the names of the persons and the exact quotation in Swedish - I have a hunch that this can become a classic.
Quote from: ike60 on 02.01.2013, 12:57:57
Quote from: Svensken on 01.01.2013, 14:33:43
Nice your greens have some kind of feeling for dignity any way. Sweden is a full time circus and a big joke!
You probably didn't notice that I had a question at the end:
Svensken, could you elaborate on the context in which the heads of the Green party blurted the quotation "saying that ANY problems at all come from immigration is evil and wrong"? I would also be grateful for the names of the persons and the exact quotation in Swedish - I have a hunch that this can become a classic.
Sorry, I missed your question.
Here is the information:
Åsa Romson and Gustav Fridolin are the "spokes persons"(literary translation reads "spokes pipes")
said in a interview in Dagens Nyheter that "blaming sinking grades in schools or unemployment on immigration is so wrong and it will create a policy where person is put against person." I had the notion that there somewhere else spoke about immigration and housing shortages also, but I could not find that source.
This is just some of the most highlighted problems of immigration. But the Greens want to shut their own friends in the government up even though they are just stating facts in some rather not tabu-questions. If these are not OK to discuss and to see by the greens no other problems will be ok either.
This is problems that our current mass immigration government has stated them selves because these problems are caused at least party by immigration. They are not going to stop immigration or rewind it in any way. They are just trying to make the wheels of destruction work a bit more efficient by address obvious problems caused by immigration.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/regeringen-krattar-manegen-for-sd
Quote from: Spesialisti on 02.01.2013, 12:50:21
Quote from: Svensken on 01.01.2013, 14:29:15
Quote from: Miniluv on 30.12.2012, 16:32:16
Do you have "a Finn, a Swede and a Norwegian" -jokes over there? (Nationalities would maybe ordered differently, though.)
Do you think they might be replaced in future with "Finnish Mohamed, Swedish Mohamed and Norwegian Mohamed" -jokes?
:)
We have like norwegian and some, like "Why dont they have doors on Norwegian toilets? The dont want to take the risk of someone looking through the keay hole." Then we also have jokes like "Norsken, dansken och Bellman(Swed)." But they are not like about typical national things, just silly.
I've heard you have loads of swedish jokes?
I would love to get many of hem here, in PM or get a link to some site with swedish jokes :)
There is a stereotype of Swedish men being sort of gayish by their metrosexual appearance. Many jokes are about that.
Examples:
- Two Swedish couples were bored with their sex lives and decided to do some partner swinging. They got together and did what they planned to do in separate rooms. During the session one of the women started wondering aloud: "I wonder how the boys are doing?"
- Why there is always one man and woman officer in a Swedish police car? To avoid workplace romances.
- Pekka had been on short trip in Stockholm and so totally drunk he didn't remember anything of it. One thing he mentioned: It's strange that you only get a headache after memory loss drinking anywhere except Sweden, there you get aching ass as well..
These are the best, we should really do a book about these in Swedish :D
Quote from: Ulkopuolinen on 02.01.2013, 12:34:26
Quote from: Svensken on 01.01.2013, 14:39:22
Ulkopuolinen:
I really like your spirit when it comes to the oppressors in media and politics.
Thanks.
Think about that "self esteem as a socio meter" -view and after thinking it think again consentrating in empowerment processes. If self esteem is a socio meter, what is the cure to low self esteem and what double standards system does to molested part of society?
Quote
Very interesting to learn about "the big guns"
305 Obuhovs in Porkkala really were guns against Finlands Capital = gun in our head.
Those guns have been made to destroy ships in the sea, tens of km:s away. Hitting Helsinki was like targetting barn door at 2 meters with shotgun.
Helsinki had a carrison in Santahamina. If Obuhovs were targetede there, it would have been in quite bad shape.
Helsinki had some stationary coastal artillery. No match for Obuhovs.
With Obuhovs and a lot of smaller artillery in Porkkala Helsinki was in very unprotected situation against russian naval forces and/or landing.
In military perspective Finland is an island if we must protect ourselves against Russia/Soviet Union. (Yeaah... Thanks Sweden...) When Soviet Union had Porkkala with Obuhovs and other artillery and heavy naval forces and they had Kaliningrad and Estonia and... Finland really had a knife pressed against throat. Swedes should allways remember that about us.
We put between a rock and a hard place in both political and military perspective.
I am so sad that we did not enter the war on your side. Better to have people killed and to bleed for you in a war of meaning and go down in history as a people who helped their brothers.
Instead we are getting killed and are bleeding in a war against our selves and we will go down in history as one of the first countries who exterminated them selves by self hatred.
I will always remember what you did and all the suffering you went through.
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin] on 02.01.2013, 11:06:46
Could you told about swedish schools and pre-schools sexual-neutral education? What kind of methods they use to grow pupils? Boys in pink dresses and girls with lorrys or what's going on in swedish schools?
The pre-shools in Sweden are all forced to work for "equality" which means to try making boys and girls the same(without operation and hormones). First the literature has changed. The old books about princes, knights and boys doing adventures have been taken out and replaced by correct books. If there is a male knight in a new children's book he now days has of course to be a homosexual or at least black.
They are also getting boys to wear dresses, this is not forced but encouraged. They are feminizing the boys trying to make girls more boy like. But the political schooling in the Swedish pre-schools are also about loving multi culture and as I said before, to promote "other sexual preferences". There has also been projects in Sweden trying to sexualize children by making "Fuck-cottages" in the pre-school.( http://www.rfsu.se/fi/Sex-och-politik/Ottar/Ottar-arkivet/Ottar-2005/Ottar-nr-2-2005/Lat-barnen-leka-sex/
https://biblioteket.stockholm.se/titel/793516)
Hej, Svensken, och känn dej som hemma på Homma!
Jag ska inom kort övergå till engelska, det språk som merparten av skribenterna på det här forumet trots allt föredrar. Men mina första ord till dej vill jag författa på vårt gemensamma modersmål, ärans och hjältarnas språk.
Jag hoppas att du lärt dej ett och annat om Finland i den här tråden, om de inte alltid lättbegripliga språkförhållandena, och om det dilemma man som finlandssvensk med så att säga "okonventionella" åsikter ofta ställs inför. Du har kunnat ta del av Svenska folkpartiets invandringspolitiska program och säkert känt rättmätig förvåning och oförståelse över de teser som läggs fram där.
Anyway, there's a significant number of Swedish-speaking Finns and even SFP voters who don't share these views. To get a clue of what they may think, I recommend you to follow the website of Hufvudstadsbladet, Finland's largest Swedish daily. Even if its politically correct line makes it more or less an equivalent of Dagens Nyheter or Sydsvenskan, the commentary policy is very open. All articles about immigration, multiculturalism and Islam generate dozens of comments from ordinary readers, and as long as you avoid personal abuses or rude words, even very critical viewpoints are allowed.
Read, for instance, these articles from the second half of 2012, and especially the comments!
Invandrare vill gärna bo bland finländare (Artikel från 5.9.2012)
http://hbl.fi/lokalt/2012-09-05/invandrare-vill-garna-bo-bland-finlandare
(Lägg märke till den intervjuade Saif Aydars minnesvärda fras Vi vill inte att det uppstår slumkvarter här som i Sverige.)
"Hatretoriken mot islam måste utmanas" (Artikel från 9.9.2012)
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-09-09/hatretoriken-mot-islam-maste-utmanas
Helsingfors tampas med gettoisering (Artikel från 27.11.2012)
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-11-27/helsingfors-tampas-med-gettoisering-0
Antirasisterna vaknar (Kolumn av Maria Wettlöserstrand från 6.12.2012)
http://hbl.fi/i-dag/2012-12-06/antirasisterna-vaknar
Your recent post, about gender equality in Swedish schools, made me immediately think of what I heard on the radio this morning. (Yle is, as you maybe know, our national broadcasting company, with news in Swedish as well.)
http://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2013/01/02/karjalainen-konsstereotypier-under-lupp-i-skolbocker
I've been a registered member at this forum for a number of years, but I've written almost nothing. Som någon form av nyårslöfte har jag föresatt mej att hemsöka forumet lite oftare än förr, och även skriva några rader då och då.
Annars har jag varit medlem på Flashback i snart elva år, och inhämtar där varje dag nya fakta om allt möjligt. Nog är du väl aktiv där också?
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 23:49:56
An armed conflict in Sweden I think would be possible (if ever which I doubt) in the far future and then its very hard to say who would be able to "get the guns" so to say. But while the rest of society falls in complexity and quality so would also the military and it's protection of it's installations.
Hmmm... has there ever been discussion in Sweden that immigrants would have stolen army's guns?
Quote from: Ördög on 02.01.2013, 19:45:19
Hej, Svensken, och känn dej som hemma på Homma!
Jag ska inom kort övergå till engelska, det språk som merparten av skribenterna på det här forumet trots allt föredrar. Men mina första ord till dej vill jag författa på vårt gemensamma modersmål, ärans och hjältarnas språk.
Jag hoppas att du lärt dej ett och annat om Finland i den här tråden, om de inte alltid lättbegripliga språkförhållandena, och om det dilemma man som finlandssvensk med så att säga "okonventionella" åsikter ofta ställs inför. Du har kunnat ta del av Svenska folkpartiets invandringspolitiska program och säkert känt rättmätig förvåning och oförståelse över de teser som läggs fram där.
Anyway, there's a significant number of Swedish-speaking Finns and even SFP voters who don't share these views. To get a clue of what they may think, I recommend you to follow the website of Hufvudstadsbladet, Finland's largest Swedish daily. Even if its politically correct line makes it more or less an equivalent of Dagens Nyheter or Sydsvenskan, the commentary policy is very open. All articles about immigration, multiculturalism and Islam generate dozens of comments from ordinary readers, and as long as you avoid personal abuses or rude words, even very critical viewpoints are allowed.
Read, for instance, these articles from the second half of 2012, and especially the comments!
Invandrare vill gärna bo bland finländare (Artikel från 5.9.2012)
http://hbl.fi/lokalt/2012-09-05/invandrare-vill-garna-bo-bland-finlandare
(Lägg märke till den intervjuade Saif Aydars minnesvärda fras Vi vill inte att det uppstår slumkvarter här som i Sverige.)
"Hatretoriken mot islam måste utmanas" (Artikel från 9.9.2012)
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-09-09/hatretoriken-mot-islam-maste-utmanas
Helsingfors tampas med gettoisering (Artikel från 27.11.2012)
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-11-27/helsingfors-tampas-med-gettoisering-0
Antirasisterna vaknar (Kolumn av Maria Wettlöserstrand från 6.12.2012)
http://hbl.fi/i-dag/2012-12-06/antirasisterna-vaknar
Your recent post, about gender equality in Swedish schools, made me immediately think of what I heard on the radio this morning. (Yle is, as you maybe know, our national broadcasting company, with news in Swedish as well.)
http://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2013/01/02/karjalainen-konsstereotypier-under-lupp-i-skolbocker
I've been a registered member at this forum for a number of years, but I've written almost nothing. Som någon form av nyårslöfte har jag föresatt mej att hemsöka forumet lite oftare än förr, och även skriva några rader då och då.
Annars har jag varit medlem på Flashback i snart elva år, och inhämtar där varje dag nya fakta om allt möjligt. Nog är du väl aktiv där också?
Very interesting to see the "normal" swedish-speaking side of it. They seems mainly quite agitated about the immigration situation. Its really cool to see that you still have the possibility to comment articles in Finland. Very few media allows it today, even if people are forced to use their real name.
Quote from: Tuju on 05.01.2013, 15:13:36
Quote from: Svensken on 27.12.2012, 23:49:56
An armed conflict in Sweden I think would be possible (if ever which I doubt) in the far future and then its very hard to say who would be able to "get the guns" so to say. But while the rest of society falls in complexity and quality so would also the military and it's protection of it's installations.
Hmmm... has there ever been discussion in Sweden that immigrants would have stolen army's guns?
No, I don't think there i a big risk of immigrants steeling guns today. We have quite few guns and they are stored in secure places, for now. And looking at robberies like the recent one in Södertälje were a robber where shot in the head. There they used AK-47 which is not a swedish army weapon.
Hello Svensken,
I'd like to elaborate on a question already presented here.
As we know, one of the traditional stereotypes of Sweden includes the "culture of eternal discussion". I call this sentiment "the political culture of a Viking-ship": there, you couldn't have anyone later challenging the decisions made (for instance, heading to France or Frisia instead of England). So, everybody had to be committed to the goals taken, and with time, this sentiment rooted itself in Sweden and manifests itself today as the culture of lengthy discussions where decisions are taken only after full certainty of the participants' commintment.
My original question was: Exactly why and how could immigation policy escape this rooted mentality of decision-making in Sweden?
The why part is answered, the political monopoly ("democratorship") of the social democrats, but to my glimpse of the thread the how-section isn't.
By a slight exaggeration, it would be more understandable if Woden had commanded multiculti to the Swedes than that a political party could move a question from the sphere of political argumentation to the garden of taboos. So how was this accomplished?
[I only read the first ~10 pages, so if you already have an answer in length, please feel free to refer to it.]
Svensken, tell about those two armed robberies (Södertelje and Täby) and especially the discussion about them in swedish media. Is public opinion on the policemen's side?
We have also here a long discussion about this subject, but it is in finnish:
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,78471.0.html
Quote from: Lisä-Tuomas on 08.01.2013, 04:54:04
Hello Svensken,
I'd like to elaborate on a question already presented here.
As we know, one of the traditional stereotypes of Sweden includes the "culture of eternal discussion". I call this sentiment "the political culture of a Viking-ship": there, you couldn't have anyone later challenging the decisions made (for instance, heading to France or Frisia instead of England). So, everybody had to be committed to the goals taken, and with time, this sentiment rooted itself in Sweden and manifests itself today as the culture of lengthy discussions where decisions are taken only after full certainty of the participants' commintment.
My original question was: Exactly why and how could immigation policy escape this rooted mentality of decision-making in Sweden?
The why part is answered, the political monopoly ("democratorship") of the social democrats, but to my glimpse of the thread the how-section isn't.
By a slight exaggeration, it would be more understandable if Woden had commanded multiculti to the Swedes than that a political party could move a question from the sphere of political argumentation to the garden of taboos. So how was this accomplished?
[I only read the first ~10 pages, so if you already have an answer in length, please feel free to refer to it.]
I as a swed do not feel this cultural thing of lengthy discussions to be really true, maybe it was like that more before, but today this is only done if the line of the rulers are sure to win. Free discussion are today very dangerous because a lot of people think in "the wrong way."
But if we assume that you are right in your argument that we at least used to have lengthy discussions about all. The question of immigration was just avoided. In the beginning when the immigrants were very few people were critical they were called names and told to shut up "We just have to help these people." The whole media and school system were and still are full of radical people. Believing in multiculturalism, genus and hate against the white man. These people very thoroughly made sure that no discussion would be held.
In large portion this was obtained by using the atrocities in the second world war to show that intolerances was viewed as being semi-nazi. If you spoke out against immigration you were considered a "hater" a "nazi" and more. This might be why Sweden for a while had the worlds largest nazi ratio pro capita in the whole world. Because all the people who were critical against the immigration was directly pushed a side and marginalized. These people than became even more frustrated and could more easily be recruited in the nazi-groups. The establishment in Sweden have never of course acknowledged this, that it might have been them radicalising a lot of people, specially young people.
The last question about political taboo I did not really understand, please clarify :)
Quote from: Emo on 10.01.2013, 15:35:41
Svensken, tell about those two armed robberies (Södertelje and Täby) and especially the discussion about them in swedish media. Is public opinion on the policemen's side?
We have also here a long discussion about this subject, but it is in finnish:
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,78471.0.html
The Kurd Hassan, who was shot in the head was using a fake rifle and pointing it towards the police, who with all right opened fire.
Not all are of course liking this situation, so now there is going to be a demonstration in the centre of Stockholm against the police action. To quote the main slogan from the Facebook page: "We all know it's wrong to rob, but shooting people in the head is not okay either."
Quote from: Tuju on 11.01.2013, 19:55:07
Quote from: Svensken on 11.01.2013, 19:41:36
Not all are of course liking this situation, so now there is going to be a demonstration in the centre of Stockholm against the police action. To quote the main slogan from the Facebook page: "We all know it's wrong to rob, but shooting people in the head is not okay either."
They miss the point that that guy did not get shot for robbing.
The point I think is that he was a tanned Kurd and the one who shot him was a white swed, what more is required to start an out cry?
In case a criminal has a gun looking like AK-47, police must do something very quickly. There is no time to think and talk and wonder what to do.
Quote from: Emo on 11.01.2013, 20:53:37
In case a criminal has a gun looking like AK-47, police must do something very quickly. There is no time to think and talk and wonder what to do.
I think the most sweds agree with you, but we have a growing proportion that do not see it like that. Criminals are people to care for, specially when they are not white.
Dear Svensken,
Have you read the book(s) Svensk Maffia?
Dear Svensken,
what do you think about the freedom of education (state school/private school/homeschool) in general,
and the case of Dominic Johansson http://friendsofdomenic.blogspot.fi in particular?
Quote from: J. Lanta on 11.01.2013, 22:24:44
Dear Svensken,
Have you read the book(s) Svensk Maffia?
Yes I have read the book, but it was long time ago. What in it did you think about in particular?
Quote from: wannabe on 12.01.2013, 08:20:45
Dear Svensken,
what do you think about the freedom of education (state school/private school/homeschool) in general,
and the case of Dominic Johansson http://friendsofdomenic.blogspot.fi in particular?
Not being able to home school your children in Sweden is horrible. The Swedish school is the worst place to put your children. If they don't get robed, beaten, stupified, gendrefied or PC-fied they at least have a very very boring time with very bad teachers. In Sweden they really want to force your children to lean the new thinking of the new sweden.
I know nothing about the child you linked to, but the swedis state is in many cases behaving very badly.
Quote from: Svensken on 12.01.2013, 22:41:22
Quote from: wannabe on 12.01.2013, 08:20:45
Dear Svensken,
what do you think about the freedom of education (state school/private school/homeschool) in general,
and the case of Dominic Johansson http://friendsofdomenic.blogspot.fi in particular?
Not being able to home school your children in Sweden is horrible. The Swedish school is the worst place to put your children. If they don't get robed, beaten, stupified, gendrefied or PC-fied they at least have a very very boring time with very bad teachers. In Sweden they really want to force your children to lean the new thinking of the new sweden.
I know nothing about the child you linked to, but the swedis state is in many cases behaving very badly.
I know some families (moved from Sweden to Finland) whose children go to school here in Finland now, and these parents think that Finnish schools are very demanding compared to Swedish schools.
Are you aware of that because home schools are forbidden in Sweden, some Swedish families have moved to Åland as they want their children to go to home schools. I understand that home schools are forbidden because the state wants to brainwash every child! And I think that will be the same also in our country in the near future.
Quote from: Svensken on 12.01.2013, 22:24:33
Quote from: J. Lanta on 11.01.2013, 22:24:44
Dear Svensken,
Have you read the book(s) Svensk Maffia?
Yes I have read the book, but it was long time ago. What in it did you think about in particular?
Well, to me that book was an eye-opener. In terms of how the (east) European groups of people have been able to establish such a strong organized crime units in Sweden. Not only the motorcycle gangs, but merely people from Jugoslavia and Turkey plus some other countires. I was surprised that it is possible for them to operate such way without getting caught. For example Denho Acar, the leader of Original Gangsters. He just puts videos to youtube where he is having a holiday on a cruise ship and firing a real assault rifle. Then again if I'm correct they actually send him out of Sweden. Plus all the other stuff that is going on. Even if it doesn't affect the 'normal citizens', but the fact that there is such behaviour and business going on in Sweden, feels bad. Then again, we have our stuff as well but it is rather small-scale in comparison to the stuff you have in Sweden.
Quote from: Emo on 12.01.2013, 23:02:05
Quote from: Svensken on 12.01.2013, 22:41:22
Quote from: wannabe on 12.01.2013, 08:20:45
Dear Svensken,
what do you think about the freedom of education (state school/private school/homeschool) in general,
and the case of Dominic Johansson http://friendsofdomenic.blogspot.fi in particular?
Not being able to home school your children in Sweden is horrible. The Swedish school is the worst place to put your children. If they don't get robed, beaten, stupified, gendrefied or PC-fied they at least have a very very boring time with very bad teachers. In Sweden they really want to force your children to lean the new thinking of the new sweden.
I know nothing about the child you linked to, but the swedis state is in many cases behaving very badly.
I know some families (moved from Sweden to Finland) whose children go to school here in Finland now, and these parents think that Finnish schools are very demanding compared to Swedish schools.
Are you aware of that because home schools are forbidden in Sweden, some Swedish families have moved to Åland as they want their children to go to home schools. I understand that home schools are forbidden because the state wants to brainwash every child! And I think that will be the same also in our country in the near future.
The schools are of course more demanding in Finland, because they are really good and educate the children. In Sweden political education is the most important aspect of swedish schools. Learning the official state ideology of the glories of mass immigration radical feminism and the destruction of norms is where our tax moneys are put.
Sadly this education sticks badly in the immigrant children, they mostly stick to gangster moral and "might is right" thinking. This is though not seen as such a big problem.
They reported on SVT a while ago about families moving to Åland, so I am aware about it.
Quote from: J. Lanta on 13.01.2013, 03:47:37
Quote from: Svensken on 12.01.2013, 22:24:33
Quote from: J. Lanta on 11.01.2013, 22:24:44
Dear Svensken,
Have you read the book(s) Svensk Maffia?
Yes I have read the book, but it was long time ago. What in it did you think about in particular?
Well, to me that book was an eye-opener. In terms of how the (east) European groups of people have been able to establish such a strong organized crime units in Sweden. Not only the motorcycle gangs, but merely people from Jugoslavia and Turkey plus some other countires. I was surprised that it is possible for them to operate such way without getting caught. For example Denho Acar, the leader of Original Gangsters. He just puts videos to youtube where he is having a holiday on a cruise ship and firing a real assault rifle. Then again if I'm correct they actually send him out of Sweden. Plus all the other stuff that is going on. Even if it doesn't affect the 'normal citizens', but the fact that there is such behaviour and business going on in Sweden, feels bad. Then again, we have our stuff as well but it is rather small-scale in comparison to the stuff you have in Sweden.
30 years ago we had almost no maffia at all in Sweden, now we have a lot of it. It's really nice that you have understand the situation in Sweden. Most people that is a bit older in this country still think that they live in the old nice gangster free Sweden. They will because of this work against any kinds of change of the current situation.
Quote from: Svensken on 13.01.2013, 11:20:14
They reported on SVT a while ago about families moving to Åland, so I am aware about it.
How this was reported? In the neutral way? Or disapproving?
Quote from: Svensken on 11.01.2013, 19:39:11
Quote from: Lisä-Tuomas on 08.01.2013, 04:54:04
...
I as a swed do not feel this cultural thing of lengthy discussions to be really true, maybe it was like that more before, but today this is only done if the line of the rulers are sure to win. Free discussion are today very dangerous because a lot of people think in "the wrong way."
But if we assume that you are right in your argument that we at least used to have lengthy discussions about all. The question of immigration was just avoided. In the beginning when the immigrants were very few people were critical they were called names and told to shut up "We just have to help these people." The whole media and school system were and still are full of radical people. Believing in multiculturalism, genus and hate against the white man. These people very thoroughly made sure that no discussion would be held.
In large portion this was obtained by using the atrocities in the second world war to show that intolerances was viewed as being semi-nazi. If you spoke out against immigration you were considered a "hater" a "nazi" and more. This might be why Sweden for a while had the worlds largest nazi ratio pro capita in the whole world. Because all the people who were critical against the immigration was directly pushed a side and marginalized. These people than became even more frustrated and could more easily be recruited in the nazi-groups. The establishment in Sweden have never of course acknowledged this, that it might have been them radicalising a lot of people, specially young people.
The last question about political taboo I did not really understand, please clarify :)
So, in short words, you think the public opinion was "taken captive" by the left-wing side, and the conservatives were in opposition for such a long time they could not make their opinion heard until the general opinion as already "contamined" by the long dominance of leftists?
I'll try to explan a little on the later comment.
Normally, political questions are seen to be within the sphere of evereday politics; to be debated, argumented on, and decisions are made after considering the pro and contra of choises available. I presume that, for instance, economic policy is debated in this way.
Immigration policy, then, seems to be a quite different story. It is not within this "sphere of political discussion". On the contrary, if one expresees disagreement, contrary arguments to the present policy, or that there might be problems involved in the choices made, I've understood that you rapidly are seen as right-wing extremist in Sweden.
So, arousing any discussion about immigration policy seems to be a taboo, in comparison to any other line of policy in the society. Any protagonist questioning it is easily seen as the Evi litself.
That's what I meant when noting that immigration policy in Sweden doesn't seem to be within the field of political discussion - rather included in the taboos of the society - something holy, not to be touched, not to be questioned. And this is achieved by something as mundane as a political party, not a religious authority...
So, do you have an idea why any reference to instrumental rationality (nyttorationalism, hyötyrationalismi in Finnish) seems to be entirely absent when discussing the foreigner policy in Sweden? It seems that they say you're denying the equal worth of every citizen (mänskovärde) if you make any notion that all the immigrants are not really contributing to the comon good.
For us Finns, it is still legitimate to debate from the point that the immigrants should contribute something to the Finnish society. Raising such a question among us is - at least not yet - seen as a sacrilege. Do you think it is such in Sweden?
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 12:36:07
Här fann jag information som berör det du frågade om bidragen: (For all the people who don't speak swedish this is about how much money you get as a immigrant in sweden.)
Sedan etableringsreformen trädde i kraft får en nyanländ arbetslös invandrarmamma med tre barn följande bidrag varje månad.
6 510 kr i etableringsersättning
4 500 kr i etableringstillägg
4 500 kr i bostadsbidrag
3 754 kr i barnbidrag
2 546 kr i underhållsstöd
= 21 810 kr i månaden skattefritt.
Utöver detta har invandraren rätt till:
259 200 kr i retroaktiv föräldrapenning
12 000 kr i skattefri SFI-bonus.
Invandraren kan själv välja i vilken takt föräldrapengen ska betalas ut. SFI-bonusen betalas ut vid avklarad kurs.
Inget av ovanstående bidrag kan dras in för att invandraren vägrar att ta ett erbjudet jobb.
Jävla skitprat! Säg du lurar oss! Annars är det alltför s
urt åt mig! :'(
Hi Svensken,
Have You heard about blog Framtidsland? Now HBL (Hufvudstadsbladet) here in Finland has..
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2013-01-16/aland-framstalls-som-framtidsland-rasister (http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2013-01-16/aland-framstalls-som-framtidsland-rasister)
QuoteÅland framställs som framtidsland för rasister
Vill ni slippa mångkultur och flyktingar? Flytta till Åland! Så lyder budskapet i bloggen Framtidsland som skrivs av en svensk rasist som flyttat till Åland.
Diskussionen om Åland som ett paradis för svenskar som tröttnat på mångkulturalismen startade på internetforumet Flashback där extrema åsikter inte rensas bort. I september 2009 skrevs inlägget om flytten och samtidigt informerades läsarna om att rasisten startat bloggen Framtidsland.
Sedan dess har Ålands målats upp som mer eller mindre ett paradis i bloggen med få mörkhyade människor, låg inkomstskatt och många lediga jobb.
Dessutom diskuteras möjligheterna att snabbt få hembygdsrätt och köpa sig en villa med sjötomt. Den låga brottsligheten och de låga skatterna hyllas och ålänningarna framställs som ett hjälpsamt folk.
...
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2013-01-16/aland-framstalls-som-framtidsland-rasister (http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2013-01-16/aland-framstalls-som-framtidsland-rasister)
Quote from: Emo on 13.01.2013, 22:23:40
Quote from: Svensken on 13.01.2013, 11:20:14
They reported on SVT a while ago about families moving to Åland, so I am aware about it.
How this was reported? In the neutral way? Or disapproving?
It was actually reported in a neutral way, but the family that was interviewed were full blooded hippies. I can image this did it's part to the way the reporter behaved.
Quote from: Lisä-Tuomas on 14.01.2013, 06:57:07
Quote from: Svensken on 11.01.2013, 19:39:11
Quote from: Lisä-Tuomas on 08.01.2013, 04:54:04
...
I as a swed do not feel this cultural thing of lengthy discussions to be really true, maybe it was like that more before, but today this is only done if the line of the rulers are sure to win. Free discussion are today very dangerous because a lot of people think in "the wrong way."
But if we assume that you are right in your argument that we at least used to have lengthy discussions about all. The question of immigration was just avoided. In the beginning when the immigrants were very few people were critical they were called names and told to shut up "We just have to help these people." The whole media and school system were and still are full of radical people. Believing in multiculturalism, genus and hate against the white man. These people very thoroughly made sure that no discussion would be held.
In large portion this was obtained by using the atrocities in the second world war to show that intolerances was viewed as being semi-nazi. If you spoke out against immigration you were considered a "hater" a "nazi" and more. This might be why Sweden for a while had the worlds largest nazi ratio pro capita in the whole world. Because all the people who were critical against the immigration was directly pushed a side and marginalized. These people than became even more frustrated and could more easily be recruited in the nazi-groups. The establishment in Sweden have never of course acknowledged this, that it might have been them radicalising a lot of people, specially young people.
The last question about political taboo I did not really understand, please clarify :)
So, in short words, you think the public opinion was "taken captive" by the left-wing side, and the conservatives were in opposition for such a long time they could not make their opinion heard until the general opinion as already "contamined" by the long dominance of leftists?
I'll try to explan a little on the later comment.
Normally, political questions are seen to be within the sphere of evereday politics; to be debated, argumented on, and decisions are made after considering the pro and contra of choises available. I presume that, for instance, economic policy is debated in this way.
Immigration policy, then, seems to be a quite different story. It is not within this "sphere of political discussion". On the contrary, if one expresees disagreement, contrary arguments to the present policy, or that there might be problems involved in the choices made, I've understood that you rapidly are seen as right-wing extremist in Sweden.
So, arousing any discussion about immigration policy seems to be a taboo, in comparison to any other line of policy in the society. Any protagonist questioning it is easily seen as the Evi litself.
That's what I meant when noting that immigration policy in Sweden doesn't seem to be within the field of political discussion - rather included in the taboos of the society - something holy, not to be touched, not to be questioned. And this is achieved by something as mundane as a political party, not a religious authority...
So, do you have an idea why any reference to instrumental rationality (nyttorationalism, hyötyrationalismi in Finnish) seems to be entirely absent when discussing the foreigner policy in Sweden? It seems that they say you're denying the equal worth of every citizen (mänskovärde) if you make any notion that all the immigrants are not really contributing to the comon good.
For us Finns, it is still legitimate to debate from the point that the immigrants should contribute something to the Finnish society. Raising such a question among us is - at least not yet - seen as a sacrilege. Do you think it is such in Sweden?
My opinion is that there is no problem having refugees that cost money. When people flee from war and oppression they can not always be of use to the host country. This said there is still no discussion about how we could help as much people as possible. The UN tells us that we could help about 100 people in refugee camps for every single refugee we have in Sweden.(But the one here will have luxurious standard and be able to get brainwashed Swedish girls.)
If you criticise immigration what so ever you are quite sure to get in trouble. If you do it repeatable times your a evil racist.
Quote from: JoKaGO on 15.01.2013, 23:46:37
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 12:36:07
Här fann jag information som berör det du frågade om bidragen: (For all the people who don't speak swedish this is about how much money you get as a immigrant in sweden.)
Sedan etableringsreformen trädde i kraft får en nyanländ arbetslös invandrarmamma med tre barn följande bidrag varje månad.
6 510 kr i etableringsersättning
4 500 kr i etableringstillägg
4 500 kr i bostadsbidrag
3 754 kr i barnbidrag
2 546 kr i underhållsstöd
= 21 810 kr i månaden skattefritt.
Utöver detta har invandraren rätt till:
259 200 kr i retroaktiv föräldrapenning
12 000 kr i skattefri SFI-bonus.
Invandraren kan själv välja i vilken takt föräldrapengen ska betalas ut. SFI-bonusen betalas ut vid avklarad kurs.
Inget av ovanstående bidrag kan dras in för att invandraren vägrar att ta ett erbjudet jobb.
Jävla skitprat! Säg du lurar oss! Annars är det alltför surt åt mig! :'(
Its true as the day!
Quote from: Elemosina on 16.01.2013, 18:53:31
Hi Svensken,
Have You heard about blog Framtidsland? Now HBL (Hufvudstadsbladet) here in Finland has..
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2013-01-16/aland-framstalls-som-framtidsland-rasister (http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2013-01-16/aland-framstalls-som-framtidsland-rasister)
QuoteÅland framställs som framtidsland för rasister
Vill ni slippa mångkultur och flyktingar? Flytta till Åland! Så lyder budskapet i bloggen Framtidsland som skrivs av en svensk rasist som flyttat till Åland.
Diskussionen om Åland som ett paradis för svenskar som tröttnat på mångkulturalismen startade på internetforumet Flashback där extrema åsikter inte rensas bort. I september 2009 skrevs inlägget om flytten och samtidigt informerades läsarna om att rasisten startat bloggen Framtidsland.
Sedan dess har Ålands målats upp som mer eller mindre ett paradis i bloggen med få mörkhyade människor, låg inkomstskatt och många lediga jobb.
Dessutom diskuteras möjligheterna att snabbt få hembygdsrätt och köpa sig en villa med sjötomt. Den låga brottsligheten och de låga skatterna hyllas och ålänningarna framställs som ett hjälpsamt folk.
...
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2013-01-16/aland-framstalls-som-framtidsland-rasister (http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2013-01-16/aland-framstalls-som-framtidsland-rasister)
This was horrible to read, why does she wants to make her island into a Sweden?
The blogger is not racist, he just don't like multiculturalism and even if he would be a racist he is still right in what he writes about Åland.
Would politicians say the same in the rest of Finland? Why are no one thinking about the obvious thought that finns should have more children instead of massive immigration?
Quote from: Svensken on 16.01.2013, 21:57:17
This was horrible to read, why does she wants to make her island into a Sweden?
Well, I think the social-democrat lantråd* just plays "politically correct", since she is aware of the fact that Åland can pick the best parts in being autonomous and nevertheless a part of a bigger country. This means that the most problematic part of immigrants won't stay in Åland, they'll move on to big cities in the mainland (Finland or Sweden) anyway. Åland is too small to support them in a larger extent. There simply aren't enough subsidised apartments to begin with.
(* I'm not aware how "lantråd" should be translated into English. It's somewhat similar to "statsminister"/ "prime minister" except for the fact that Åland is not an independent state.)
Quote from: Svensken on 16.01.2013, 21:57:17
Would politicians say the same in the rest of Finland?
Many would.
Quote from: Svensken on 16.01.2013, 21:50:20
My opinion is that there is no problem having refugees that cost money. When people flee from war and oppression they can not always be of use to the host country. This said there is still no discussion about how we could help as much people as possible. The UN tells us that we could help about 100 people in refugee camps for every single refugee we have in Sweden.(But the one here will have luxurious standard and be able to get brainwashed Swedish girls.)
If you criticise immigration what so ever you are quite sure to get in trouble. If you do it repeatable times your a evil racist.
Put it short: I totally agree, only noting that real refugees are today such a small proportion of all the newcomers that I simply forgot to name that possibility.
Quote from: Oami on 17.01.2013, 05:10:59
Quote from: Svensken on 16.01.2013, 21:57:17
This was horrible to read, why does she wants to make her island into a Sweden?
Well, I think the social-democrat lantråd* just plays "politically correct", since she is aware of the fact that Åland can pick the best parts in being autonomous and nevertheless a part of a bigger country. This means that the most problematic part of immigrants won't stay in Åland, they'll move on to big cities in the mainland (Finland or Sweden) anyway. Åland is too small to support them in a larger extent. There simply aren't enough subsidised apartments to begin with.
(* I'm not aware how "lantråd" should be translated into English. It's somewhat similar to "statsminister"/ "prime minister" except for the fact that Åland is not an independent state.)
Quote from: Svensken on 16.01.2013, 21:57:17
Would politicians say the same in the rest of Finland?
Many would.
It's very sickening that ruling people even in Finland are behaving like our crazy leaders. Why is it not okay that at least have one single country in the whole western Europe that has not been overrun by immigrants?
Where is all this self hate coming from?
Quote from: Lisä-Tuomas on 17.01.2013, 08:42:27
Quote from: Svensken on 16.01.2013, 21:50:20
My opinion is that there is no problem having refugees that cost money. When people flee from war and oppression they can not always be of use to the host country. This said there is still no discussion about how we could help as much people as possible. The UN tells us that we could help about 100 people in refugee camps for every single refugee we have in Sweden.(But the one here will have luxurious standard and be able to get brainwashed Swedish girls.)
If you criticise immigration what so ever you are quite sure to get in trouble. If you do it repeatable times your a evil racist.
Put it short: I totally agree, only noting that real refugees are today such a small proportion of all the newcomers that I simply forgot to name that possibility.
Nice, we agree :)
Of course the most refugees are liars. I was talking in theoretical terms.
Even if you could get immigrants who works and helps your economy I still think you should be immigration critical. Paying the price of becoming a minority in your own country, I am telling you it's not worth it!
Quote from: Svensken on 17.01.2013, 09:14:45
It's very sickening that ruling people even in Finland are behaving like our crazy leaders. Why is it not okay that at least have one single country in the whole western Europe that has not been overrun by immigrants?
Where is all this self hate coming from?
I guess it's not hate, it's more like "what do the others think about us".
And then there are politicians who don't know it yet. Finland isn't overrun by immigrants by now, at least most part of it isn't. Sure, they hear warnings from other countries - France, Germany, UK and of course Sweden - but the problem is, these warnings come from wrong people.
Hi Svensken,
is there anything interesting happening in Sweden? Except princess Estelle having her first birthday party soon?
Talking about parties, our "SD-party" Perussuomalaiset is the most popular political party (23,6%) among finnish men at the moment (according to a new gallup). Among women Perussuomalaiset is the fifth popular party (11,3%).
Quote from: Emo on 01.02.2013, 23:37:51
Hi Svensken,
is there anything interesting happening in Sweden? Except princess Estelle having her first birthday party soon?
Talking about parties, our "SD-party" Perussuomalaiset is the most popular political party (23,6%) among finnish men at the moment (according to a new gallup). Among women Perussuomalaiset is the fifth popular party (11,3%).
Hi Emo!
Hm, lets see... the usual murders, rapes and robberies.
We though have a group that robs people by dressing them selves up like policemen and ask to come in to peoples homes. When the person opens the door the group hits and robes the person.
There has been much discussion about the "internet-hate". "Internet-hate" is when people comment angry things on new papers pages and send e-mails complaining to journalists. The government has looked in to the matter and are thinking of making a new law to make it more easy to shut down immigration critical home pages and to arrest more of the critical people on the net in general.
The Sweden Democrats are now the third largest parties in many surveys, but all the 90% rest still think mass immigration is wonderful and cant wait to get some more of it.
Our high commander has been ill after he told us that Sweden is practically impossible now to defend because of our non existing army. He got much criticism for stating the obvious and now he is reported to be ill and we will see if he will ever get back to his job.
Muhammed also claimed on the list for popular names.
Whats about Finland?
Tjänare Svensken, snabb dumm fråga:
Har mondagskvällens Publicistklubben-debatten Mats Dagerlind vs. PK-posse väckt upp reaktioner?
(jag tjuvläser Avpixlat, goddamit hur min rostad svenska har blivit brushed up! :)
Stupid fråga nr. 2:
Sweden has this Hemvärnet-thing.
Do active Hemvärnet-dudes still have swedish gov't issue assault rifle (was it AK-4?) plus ammo at home?
Back in 80's when I worked in Luleå I had 2 active Hemvärnet-dudes working in same company, they had
government issue assault rifles and basic mil.gear at home for rapid deployment.
Hej Svensken!
Det här var en intressant kedja och du har berikat oss på ett positivt sätt! Välkommen till Finland om läget surnar i det gamla&fria :)
Har lärt mej mycket från dina svar till hompanserna och länkarna du gett oss. Det är några saker jag skulle gärna vet mera om och from now on I will write in english so everyone understands.
1. How is food production doing in Sweden and who is owning land and working in the agrisector? I believe this is crucial to the future of Sweden, especially if the situation should spiral down to economic collapse --> inability to provide for the welfare-dependents. In crisis the only valuable currency is calories, and a Swedish rural population that is willing and able to feed their own could tip the balance in favor of ethnic swedes. Southern Gangstaland may have guns, drugs and whores, but they need to eat too. If Pappa Staten runs out of money they have no other choice than trying to rob the swedish farmers, return to their MENA-countries or to starve. Unless the UN interferes, or the state socialists try to force the food producers to give their yields up. What would happen in such a scenario, if there is economic disaster and/or internal conflict?
Is hunting still popular in rural Sweden and is it as common to own guns as in Finland?
2. What is the attitude in Sweden towards non-MENA or third world immigrants, like educated Indians and East Asians? Is there a general de-humanizing and contempt towards swedish men with asian (especially thai) wives, like here? My own, finnish experience is that the multikult-sector is indifferent-to-mildly-antagonistic towards asians, because asians don't need their help, and thus are not productive material for the immigration industry. They are productive individuals.
3. I suppose higher education has also embraced feminism and multiculture? Do you also have %goals at universities for a more diverse student body? Do you have quotas or other positive discrimination to help minorities? How are exchange students chosen to Swedish institutions? Does positive discrimination continue above graduate level or does the value of scientific research weigh more in choosing M.Sc's to doctoral programs?
Questions 2&3 are somewhat connected, as different academic faculties are equally obsessed over diversity, the diversity they attract is quite different: Humanities tend to get european Erasmus-students, while Indian and Chinese students go for science and economics. Third worlders are overrepresented at wannabe-universities, that in Finland are called "University of Applied Science", that used to be nursing schools, engineering schools and other honest institutions preparing youth with useful trades. Not anymore. Our education system exists to indoctrinate students with redgreen multiculturalist attitudes and to provide positions for humanities graduates who would be unable to earn similar wages in a market economy.
Quote from: Tunkki on 14.02.2013, 20:28:19
Stupid fråga nr. 2:
Sweden has this Hemvärnet-thing.
Do active Hemvärnet-dudes still have swedish gov't issue assault rifle (was it AK-4?) plus ammo at home?
Back in 80's when I worked in Luleå I had 2 active Hemvärnet-dudes working in same company, they had
government issue assault rifles and basic mil.gear at home for rapid deployment.
The debate in Publicistklubben was a very new thing for us Sweds. We are not used to have more than one opinion in a debate. I am not joking, until Sweden Democrates got in to the parliament very few talked to people critical to immigration and they were never let on a known media like SVT. I saw the whole debate and I was very impressed that it could actually take place. Many people who asked question said that "Why do you let people who think different have a say in this debate?". Swedish democracy is as democratic as in "Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea"(North Korea).
The Hemvärnet is the swedish army basicly. The rest is now scraped away or dying for heroin and American geopolitics in Afghanistan. Hemvärnet is though now not so loose with guns. You cant store your gun at home if it's not plugged and the key is in a central place. The standard AK-4 is still the weapon of choice. They do though have basic military equipment at home.
Quote from: Mangustin on 15.02.2013, 16:34:27
Hej Svensken!
Det här var en intressant kedja och du har berikat oss på ett positivt sätt! Välkommen till Finland om läget surnar i det gamla&fria :)
Har lärt mej mycket från dina svar till hompanserna och länkarna du gett oss. Det är några saker jag skulle gärna vet mera om och from now on I will write in english so everyone understands.
1. How is food production doing in Sweden and who is owning land and working in the agrisector? I believe this is crucial to the future of Sweden, especially if the situation should spiral down to economic collapse --> inability to provide for the welfare-dependents. In crisis the only valuable currency is calories, and a Swedish rural population that is willing and able to feed their own could tip the balance in favor of ethnic swedes. Southern Gangstaland may have guns, drugs and whores, but they need to eat too. If Pappa Staten runs out of money they have no other choice than trying to rob the swedish farmers, return to their MENA-countries or to starve. Unless the UN interferes, or the state socialists try to force the food producers to give their yields up. What would happen in such a scenario, if there is economic disaster and/or internal conflict?
Is hunting still popular in rural Sweden and is it as common to own guns as in Finland?
2. What is the attitude in Sweden towards non-MENA or third world immigrants, like educated Indians and East Asians? Is there a general de-humanizing and contempt towards swedish men with asian (especially thai) wives, like here? My own, finnish experience is that the multikult-sector is indifferent-to-mildly-antagonistic towards asians, because asians don't need their help, and thus are not productive material for the immigration industry. They are productive individuals.
3. I suppose higher education has also embraced feminism and multiculture? Do you also have %goals at universities for a more diverse student body? Do you have quotas or other positive discrimination to help minorities? How are exchange students chosen to Swedish institutions? Does positive discrimination continue above graduate level or does the value of scientific research weigh more in choosing M.Sc's to doctoral programs?
Questions 2&3 are somewhat connected, as different academic faculties are equally obsessed over diversity, the diversity they attract is quite different: Humanities tend to get european Erasmus-students, while Indian and Chinese students go for science and economics. Third worlders are overrepresented at wannabe-universities, that in Finland are called "University of Applied Science", that used to be nursing schools, engineering schools and other honest institutions preparing youth with useful trades. Not anymore. Our education system exists to indoctrinate students with redgreen multiculturalist attitudes and to provide positions for humanities graduates who would be unable to earn similar wages in a market economy.
1. Sweden produce less than half it's food needs. Sweden still owns a lot of capital than could be sold off and if you strip the public sector the state could still have money to feed the gangsters.
2. I would say that those immigrants are seen very positively by people in general. Immigrants that kills, rapes and robs are loved in general so immigrants that are smart and actually produce things are of course liked even more.
Men who have thai-wifes are seen as losers. The state has even a special course for those brides to learn them their rights in Sweden. Which man in their right mind would get a thai-bride when you can get a highly educated, very cultural and photo model-looking russian wife? ;)
3. Yes, the higher education is totally politicly indoctrinated. All the student materials always has foreigners in them. If there would be to little of them the information would be banned for sure. I don't know about courses in general but the police have very out spoken quotas that favour immigrants, women and homosexual/transsexual men.
Your experience about foreign student correlate directly with my experiences.
I am very sad to hear that your higher education are full of people who hates you too, happily for you all our education, politics and media are full of these people. They hate us so very much indeed.
feminism combined with the attraction often by the same feminists towards islam and mass-immigration is one puzzle which never ceases to amaze me.
Quote from: -PPT- on 16.02.2013, 01:33:52
feminism combined with the attraction often by the same feminists towards islam and mass-immigration is one puzzle which never ceases to amaze me.
In bed with Madonna. No matter how much you dislike each other, the one you hate more is worth to join efforts.
For now.
Hi Svensken.
How is the representatives of sverigedemokraterna, nationaldemokraterna and sverikernas parti treated in election depates? If they even get to those.
How are those three parties portrayed by swedish media and how is media describing high rise of the sverigedemokraterna on polls?
Quote from: Svensken on 15.02.2013, 21:08:42
Which man in their right mind would get a thai-bride when you can get a highly educated, very cultural and photo model-looking russian wife? ;)
Off topic: I'd get myself a sweet christian Filipina if I was male. Russian chicks are too high-maintenance, don't age well and they tend to start seeking for an upgrade once they have left Russia with their international romance. But to each their own, as long as swedish feminists stay single! This was linked to another discussion at this forum:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/01/25/scandnavian-men-leaving-feminists-to-themselves
I don't mean to be naggy, but what about the (legal) gun situation in Sweden? Anyone below nobility still into hunting? If the security situation is as bad as it seems, then commoners should be into acquiring other means of self-defense, methinks?
Hmm and I suppose swedish girls are all into krav maga, MMA and jiu-jutsu? With all the rape and murder going on...
Quote from: Antti Moisander on 16.02.2013, 05:40:24
Hi Svensken.
How is the representatives of sverigedemokraterna, nationaldemokraterna and sverikernas parti treated in election depates? If they even get to those.
How are those three parties portrayed by swedish media and how is media describing high rise of the sverigedemokraterna on polls?
In the debates Sverigedemokraterna, who are the only real party of the three, are seen more and more. But almost always they are being bullied some how or the media spend very big amounts on digging and placing things on them. The party though has a lot of idiots because its very unsafe to have anything to do with the Sverigedemokraterna. So mainly people who have nothing to lose have been the people joining.
Nationaldemokraterna are not described at all because they almost do not exist. Svenkarnas parti are described as neo-nazis which they simply are. Sverigedemokraterna are in a nutshell described as evil and low educated people who wants poor children to die and who in secret worship Hitler.
I have hears very little exploitations for the rise in polls.
Quote from: Mangustin on 16.02.2013, 19:56:04
Quote from: Svensken on 15.02.2013, 21:08:42
Which man in their right mind would get a thai-bride when you can get a highly educated, very cultural and photo model-looking russian wife? ;)
Off topic: I'd get myself a sweet christian Filipina if I was male. Russian chicks are too high-maintenance, don't age well and they tend to start seeking for an upgrade once they have left Russia with their international romance. But to each their own, as long as swedish feminists stay single! This was linked to another discussion at this forum:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/01/25/scandnavian-men-leaving-feminists-to-themselves
I don't mean to be naggy, but what about the (legal) gun situation in Sweden? Anyone below nobility still into hunting? If the security situation is as bad as it seems, then commoners should be into acquiring other means of self-defense, methinks?
Hmm and I suppose swedish girls are all into krav maga, MMA and jiu-jutsu? With all the rape and murder going on...
Nice comments on the Russian-bride thing ;)
Sorry for not answering about hunting. We have a lot of hunters in Sweden. If you are a hunter or if you are practising shooting as a sport you can own a gun or rifle.
No, very few women can fight. They are always told that the most rapes are made by sweds in their families. The rapes out side are only racist to mention ;)
Quote from: Svensken on 16.02.2013, 23:00:02
Quote from: Mangustin on 16.02.2013, 19:56:04
Quote from: Svensken on 15.02.2013, 21:08:42
Which man in their right mind would get a thai-bride when you can get a highly educated, very cultural and photo model-looking russian wife? ;)
Off topic: I'd get myself a sweet christian Filipina if I was male. Russian chicks are too high-maintenance, don't age well and they tend to start seeking for an upgrade once they have left Russia with their international romance. But to each their own, as long as swedish feminists stay single! This was linked to another discussion at this forum:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/01/25/scandnavian-men-leaving-feminists-to-themselves
I don't mean to be naggy, but what about the (legal) gun situation in Sweden? Anyone below nobility still into hunting? If the security situation is as bad as it seems, then commoners should be into acquiring other means of self-defense, methinks?
Hmm and I suppose swedish girls are all into krav maga, MMA and jiu-jutsu? With all the rape and murder going on...
Nice comments on the Russian-bride thing ;)
Sorry for not answering about hunting. We have a lot of hunters in Sweden. If you are a hunter or if you are practising shooting as a sport you can own a gun or rifle.
How is the legal situation in Finland, when can you own guns?
No, very few women can fight. They are always told that the most rapes are made by sweds in their families. The rapes out side are only racist to mention ;)
Quote from: Svensken on 15.02.2013, 21:08:42
Which man in their right mind would get a thai-bride when you can get a highly educated, very cultural and photo model-looking russian wife? ;)
Could the distance to mother-in-law be the decisive factor, anyone ?? ;D
Hi, Svensken!
Do you know something about the far right and far left in Sweden? I know that there's, for example, leftist AFA and the nazi Svenska Motståndsrörelsen. But what do you think in general, which is worse or more violent or powerful: the leftist or the right-wing extremists?
BTW. The concept of an "Anti-AFA" (https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-AFA) that resists violent far-leftists sounds funny, but in reality the organization seems quite extremist and nazi.
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 16.02.2013, 23:35:10
Hi, Svensken!
Do you know something about the far right and far left in Sweden? I know that there's, for example, leftist AFA and the nazi Svenska Motståndsrörelsen. But what do you think in general, which is worse or more violent or powerful: the leftist or the right-wing extremists?
BTW. The concept of an "Anti-AFA" (https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-AFA) that resists violent far-leftists sounds funny, but in reality the organization seems quite extremist and nazi.
The far left and the far right have in huge parts collapsed in Sweden. The far left have today merged with the liberals in immigration, radical-feminism and homostruggle. I don't know if the "left" of today in Sweden should at all be called left. They are some kind of anti-intellecutal, liberal humanists.
The far right used to be quite strong and they were constantly getting new people because of the extreme terror you received from society if you criticised immigration. But now whit Sverigedemokraterna people who dislike immigration can join and not get as hated as they used to be. To become nazi today you are mentally ill or a agent-provocatuer.
Svenska motståndsrörelsen normally only use violence when they are attacked first, like when their selling their newspapers etc. The far left almost never does anything publicly that could be attacked so they are usually the attacker. But after this incident five years ago with SMR stabbing a AFA-person: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6eMFkFSF1w the attacks against SMR has gone to almost nothing.
Quote from: Svensken on 17.02.2013, 11:05:48Svenska motståndsrörelsen normally only use violence when they are attacked first, like when their selling their newspapers etc.
Thats same here with Finnish Resistance Movement.
"Anti-Antifa" sounds nice that way if they would be people that stop Antifa when they attack someone. Antifa can't decide who can use freedom of speech and who can not.
Svensken i would ask you that does this happen every time when sverigedemokraterna is giving a speech?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjrlGgXLXHI
And are those two people who stand by the table hosts or what? Darker woman is kinda aggressive...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyuAAUkouHw
Remind me again how large a proportion of the Swedish social security-costs are directly related to immigration. It is over half IIRC and not even in Sweden more than half of the population are immigrants.
Here in Finland our former minister in charge of immigration-affairs was pushed to reveal an estimate as to how much does mass-immigration cost to Finland. She refused to answer by saying that it is impossible to calculate. Other people say that talking about costs of immigration is demeaning because we are talking about human-beings. Fair enough but at the same time we know exactly to the last cent how much money we spend on pensioners, students, unemployed etc.
What will the end game be in your opinion Svensken? Some kind of Jugoslavia/Balkanisation or an Islamic state with the remaining men accepting Islam and the women gladly accepting their liberation in the sultan's harem? Or a third option where the State uses dictatorial measures to keep things in order? Do the Swedes have any balls left?
Quote from: Antti Moisander on 17.02.2013, 14:48:24
Quote from: Svensken on 17.02.2013, 11:05:48Svenska motståndsrörelsen normally only use violence when they are attacked first, like when their selling their newspapers etc.
Thats same here with Finnish Resistance Movement.
"Anti-Antifa" sounds nice that way if they would be people that stop Antifa when they attack someone. Antifa can't decide who can use freedom of speech and who can not.
Svensken i would ask you that does this happen every time when sverigedemokraterna is giving a speech?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjrlGgXLXHI
And are those two people who stand by the table hosts or what? Darker woman is kinda agressive...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyuAAUkouHw
Yes it's the norm when SD has public meetings.
It's so funny you found this true gem of swedish debates. The two people at the table are just more people to talk down the two guests who think different from the PK-norm. I just love this debate, so many wonderful parts :D
I actually have inside information in this debate because people in the audience and "Hanna" who was the boss of the show actually cried after the air because she had not defeated the evil people on air.
Quote from: -PPT- on 17.02.2013, 18:59:18
Remind me again how large a proportion of the Swedish social security-costs are directly related to immigration. It is over half IIRC and not even in Sweden more than half of the population are immigrants.
Here in Finland our former minister in charge of immigration-affairs was pushed to reveal an estimate as to how much does mass-immigration cost to Finland. She refused to answer by saying that it is impossible to calculate. Other people say that talking about costs of immigration is demeaning because we are talking about human-beings. Fair enough but at the same time we know exactly to the last cent how much money we spend on pensioners, students, unemployed etc.
We don't know how much they cost, but their costs far more than the 20-30% that they constitute of the population. Maybe 60-80%, I am just making a good guess.
You see, the same things are told here."you can't calculate on immigration because they are human beings." This can be interpreted in two ways:
THEY are human beings, you are though not. Students, children and pensioners are ethnic sweds or finns and you are all white. So you have no human value and we calculate all we want.
Or THEY are actually humans, I know many of them rape, kill, rob, burn, smell and scream crazy things at random times. I know it's hard to understand this, but they are actually human like us and they should not be calculated on.(This interpretation is most unlikely because I don't think they see us as humans.)
Quote from: latrom on 17.02.2013, 19:22:06
What will the end game be in your opinion Svensken? Some kind of Jugoslavia/Balkanisation or an Islamic state with the remaining men accepting Islam and the women gladly accepting their liberation in the sultan's harem? Or a third option where the State uses dictatorial measures to keep things in order? Do the Swedes have any balls left?
They balls of Sweden is getting cut away each year by a number of things. So no, there are very little balls if any at all.
I think the end game will be like this: Gangsterland, watch "Snabba cash 1 and 2" and multiply it with the film "Troopa de elite" but subtract the elite force. Then add some things from the refugee camp in "Children of men" and you have a very good view of the coming situation.
In this situation organised Islam will actually look like a good thing ;)
Sweds are so incredibly bad and Sweden is mere a joke, please don't make Finland into a Sweden...
^ Svensken, thank you for all the contribution you give to this forum from the neighbourgh.
You mentioning troppa de elite, snabba cash, etc. scares the shit out of me. Not because I would be afraid of one thug on the streets, but because I am very much afraid of the entire criminal and liberal system that they as groups represent. How can it be possible that the traditional westernized countries such as scandinavian ones, cannot stop their own destruction...
Are the reasons biological, psychological, cultural...vad fan!!? In my opinion, the only common feature of all this chaotic nature of multiculturalism, boils down to the war between masculine and feminine. It doesn't matter, if some leftist greenspirized person tries to tell that todays post-modern world there is no masculine or feminine. We can easily categorize some of the values, attitudes, belief-systems, behaviour etc. etc. to another sort of category than masculine and feminine. Even if they will make the words disappear, they cannot make the cultural values of different nations and environments to disappear, because they are something of much deeper, complex and sustainable than the feminine liberal mind can comprehend.
Finnish Security Intelligence Service categorizes the group behind this forum - Suomen Sisu - as extreme right. These guys are dangerous and can do anything. Their leader Jussi Halla-aho is only speaking about "genetic weakness" of somalis and guns (in positive way). Are you racist like these guys, Svensken?
Quote from: ^^^ammoH on 19.02.2013, 06:52:32
Finnish Security Intelligence Service categorizes the group behind this forum - Suomen Sisu - as extreme right. These guys are dangerous and can do anything. Their leader Jussi Halla-aho is only speaking about "genetic weakness" of somalis and guns (in positive way). Are you racist like these guys, Svensken?
Dangerous and capable of doing anything, sure.
That's because many of us have very high an educational background, many of us have been or are still living abroad in different countries and continents, and most of us have at least a bit of common sense.
Of course, it would be delightful if ^^^ammoH found out real facts about Homma^^^.
Quote from: ^^^ammoH on 19.02.2013, 06:52:32
Finnish Security Intelligence Service categorizes the group behind this forum - Suomen Sisu - as extreme right. These guys are dangerous and can do anything. Their leader Jussi Halla-aho is only speaking about "genetic weakness" of somalis and guns (in positive way). Are you racist like these guys, Svensken?
No, I am from Sweden.
When some one draws the "racist-card" I of course remembers my life long citizen education against such things. I will now cleans my self from my horrible sins by giving money to EXPO, changing my sex and letting my self get robbed by "New Sweds" without reporting it.
Sorry for me having sin on my soul, I will now watch SVT for a whole week to get the right way of thinking again and I will also pray hundred "Ave Mona muslim".
Thanks for reminding me of all the horrible racism on this forum, in the world and on my soul!
Quote from: ^^^ammoH on 19.02.2013, 06:52:32
Finnish Security Intelligence Service categorizes the group behind this forum - Suomen Sisu - as extreme right. These guys are dangerous and can do anything. Their leader Jussi Halla-aho is only speaking about "genetic weakness" of somalis and guns (in positive way). Are you racist like these guys, Svensken?
No worries, ^^^ammoH has been "taken care of": He is now in an "interview" at the
Master's hands in a dark chamber called "peräkammari", located in our secret base on the dark side of the Moon ;D ;D ;D
(pitch- black humor is an integral part of being a Hompanssi [member of Hommaforum])
Quote from: ^^^ammoH on 19.02.2013, 06:52:32
Finnish Security Intelligence Service categorizes the group behind this forum - Suomen Sisu - as extreme right. These guys are dangerous and can do anything. Their leader Jussi Halla-aho is only speaking about "genetic weakness" of somalis and guns (in positive way). Are you racist like these guys, Svensken?
For information:
Moderation has now banned (http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,351.msg1248017.html#msg1248017) "^^^ammoH" from this site. Seems to be a troll, who has been also earlier messing here. Obviously some far-leftist, anarchist or whatsoever.
Är du riktigt svensk?
Hur har svensk hittat sin väg till Hommaforum som är ett finskspråkigt forum?
Är du nå fejken?
:o
Quote from: Kauhea Ihmismäinen Otus on 19.02.2013, 09:22:20
No worries, ^^^ammoH has been "taken care of": He is now in an "interview" at the Master's hands in a dark chamber called "peräkammari", located in our secret base on the dark side of the Moon ;D ;D ;D
"Know that he suffered greatly at the hands of his host."
Quote from: Micke90 on 20.02.2013, 13:22:03
Hur har svensk hittat sin väg till Hommaforum som är ett finskspråkigt forum?
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 10:47:44
I was asked by a Finnish friend to write here.
QuoteI was asked by a Finnish friend to write here.
Kunhan kysyin. On hyvä olla epäluuloinen. En ole vieläkään vakuuttunut tyypin ruotsalaisuudesta.
Quote from: Micke90 on 20.02.2013, 15:16:31
QuoteI was asked by a Finnish friend to write here.
Kunhan kysyin. On hyvä olla epäluuloinen. En ole vieläkään vakuuttunut tyypin ruotsalaisuudesta.
Kannattaa jutella hänen kanssaan ruotsiksi. Jos oma äidinkielesi on ruotsi, huomaat varmaan melko nopeasti kömpelöt ilmaukset, idiomien puutteen tai vierauden, muista kielistä lainatut kieliopilliset rakenteet ja muun joka kertoo kirjoittajan olevan muualta kuin Ruotsista (mikäli oikeasti on). Täällä on joku muukin keskustellut hänen kanssaan ruotsiksi, eikä hän tunnu siitä pahastuneen.
Quote from: Micke90 on 20.02.2013, 13:22:03
Är du riktigt svensk?
Hur har svensk hittat sin väg till Hommaforum som är ett finskspråkigt forum?
Är du nå fejken?
:o
No, I am not "nå fejken" :D
Vad skriver ni på ert krångliga språk. Jag håller ju mig till engelska och skulle uppskatta om ni också gör det?
Quote from: Svensken on 20.02.2013, 18:29:19
No, I am not "nå fejken" :D
Vad skriver ni på ert krångliga språk. Jag håller ju mig till engelska och skulle uppskatta om ni också gör det?
Du svarade inte till min fråga. Hur kan du bruka finskspråkig Hommaforum? Finns den någon som kan hjälpa dig? Vet du nå finnar som bor i Sverige?
Quote from: Micke90 on 20.02.2013, 18:51:06
Du svarade inte till min fråga. Hur kan du bruka finskspråkig Hommaforum?
This forum runs on standard PHP-platform.
You can choose your language settings at your profle page.
och detsamma tlll sverige:
Om du har inte bemerkt, du kan dig utväljas din tungenssätningar från ditta profil-pagén.
Quote from: rapa-nuiv on 20.02.2013, 19:17:55
This forum runs on standard PHP-platform.
You can choose your language settings at your profle page.
och detsamma tlll sverige:
Om du har inte bemerkt, du kan dig utväljas din tungenssätningar från ditta profil-pagén.
Okei. En tiennyt, että tästä pysty valitsemaan oikein kieliasetuksetkin. :D
Laadukasta ruotsia, muuten. ;D ;)
Quote from: Svensken on 20.02.2013, 18:29:19
Vad skriver ni på ert krångliga språk. Jag håller ju mig till engelska och skulle uppskatta om ni också gör det?
Förlåt. Micke sade att han är misstänksam och inte säker at du är svensk. Jag svarade att han skulle diskutera med dig på svenska (som är uppenbarligen Mickes modersmål): om din modersmål är inte svenska, Micke kan befinna det snabbt.
Det här är inget personligt mot dig; det gäller bara att forumet har besökts av olika slags trollar och det naturligt förorsakar att några av oss är misstänksamma.
Och nu när jag har börjat be orsak, förlåt min skolsvenska också :)
Quote from: ike60 on 20.02.2013, 20:24:26
Quote from: Svensken on 20.02.2013, 18:29:19
Vad skriver ni på ert krångliga språk. Jag håller ju mig till engelska och skulle uppskatta om ni också gör det?
Förlåt. Micke sade att han är misstänksam och inte säker at du är svensk. Jag svarade att han skulle diskutera med dig på svenska (som är uppenbarligen Mickes modersmål): om din modersmål är inte svenska, Micke kan befinna det snabbt.
Det här är inget personligt mot dig; det gäller bara att forumet har besökts av olika slags trollar och det naturligt förorsakar att några av oss är misstänksamma.
Och nu när jag har börjat be orsak, förlåt min skolsvenska också :)
No problems, I can stand all the questions you can muster about me being swedish or not. I think though it's hard for me to prove to you how it really is so you have to believe my word. If someone wants to take a longer questiontime in swedish just send me PM. I am though not sure that Mickes modersmål is swedish. But if it is it's a pretty strange kind of dialect, maybe some finnish variant I have never seen before.
But as I say, please ask me questions and I will try to prove I am not just a finnish troll make fun of you. It's really fun for me to see how mistrustful you are towards a person who says he is from Sweden. I know very few people in Sweden knows about your country or at all cares about it but I surely do.
About using the forum I guest quit a lot in the beginning and I have not been able to create an avatar or any cool tagline for my user. It was also a person in this thread who told me how to quote other people. Your language is very strange indeed and I understand almost non. I am always happy though because "Hei Svensken" I can really understand :D
Yes I know some finns who lives in Sweden.
Well Svensken, if you happen to visit Finland some day, you could maybe inform some Hompanzees (Homma users) and ask if they were interested in meeting in real life. It's possible to send private messages on this forum, so you won't end up having a chaotic meet with hundreds of Hompanzees and a tenfold number of anti-fascists ;)
By the way, do you know the Swedish singer Saga?
^Secondary troll. Means less fun but twice as stupid.
Quote from: Marshal_Mannerheim[Fin] on 21.02.2013, 07:03:12
^Secondary troll. Means less fun but twice as stupid.
Yes, troll. ;)
Quote from: VITUN N3EKERIT on 21.02.2013, 06:54:51
Heil Svensken?
Have you joined in Svenska Motståndsrörelsen yet? We all here in Homma are true extreme right and we hate the monkeys whose come to Europe. We cant talk much in this side of Forum because of media but in Peräkammari ( http://hommaforum.org/index.php/board,12.0.html ) you can talk more open mindly.
This "VITUN N3EKERIT" is a troll from Finnish leftist. The person will be removed hopefully soon...
Only purpose is to defame people that wants to criticize this sick developement in Finnish (or global) lying politics.
^this second troll has also "been taken care of" ;) => Back to the moonbase :P
Mihin se ruotsalainen on haihtunut täältä? :o
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 20.02.2013, 23:34:27
Well Svensken, if you happen to visit Finland some day, you could maybe inform some Hompanzees (Homma users) and ask if they were interested in meeting in real life. It's possible to send private messages on this forum, so you won't end up having a chaotic meet with hundreds of Hompanzees and a tenfold number of anti-fascists ;)
By the way, do you know the Swedish singer Saga?
Maybe I will in the future ;)
I know there is a artist with this name but I have never heard any songs by her, why do you wonder?
Quote from: Svensken on 22.02.2013, 21:24:04
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 20.02.2013, 23:34:27
By the way, do you know the Swedish singer Saga?
I know there is a artist with this name but I have never heard any songs by her, why do you wonder?
I think female nationalists are quite rare, especially in the multiculti-leftist populated Sweden. I've listened to maybe one of her songs, but well. I'd like to know what you think about her. I don't know her so much, so I don't know if she's too much extremist or not.
O fan, AK-4 is licence-made Heckler&Koch G3 eating 7,62/.308 NATO
Didnt remember that!
Swedish assault rifle of choice today seems to be Bofors AK-5 alias FN FNC, consuming .223 NATO ammo.
http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Bofors_AK-5 (http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Bofors_AK-5)
Some questions remain: when are weapons handed out to the reservists, and where :)
Really, this is hilarious serious and alerting!
Our member The Swedish just might have been struck with the same disease and nausea as have our beloved members Apropos Adlupus Atropos and Daddidui Daddidiideliduu Dadkii been struck with.
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 23.02.2013, 00:26:11
Quote from: Svensken on 22.02.2013, 21:24:04
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 20.02.2013, 23:34:27
By the way, do you know the Swedish singer Saga?
I know there is a artist with this name but I have never heard any songs by her, why do you wonder?
I think female nationalists are quite rare, especially in the multiculti-leftist populated Sweden. I've listened to maybe one of her songs, but well. I'd like to know what you think about her. I don't know her so much, so I don't know if she's too much extremist or not.
She made some kind of comment to her former music days after Breivik because he said he likes her. As I can remember she was not so positive to her former music.
I have only heard one or two songs, have no really opinion about her. To have a real opinion it's good if you know something about the subject in matter. Saga is someone I know almost nothing about.
Quote from: Tunkki on 01.03.2013, 02:25:33
O fan, AK-4 is licence-made Heckler&Koch G3 eating 7,62/.308 NATO
Didnt remember that!
Swedish assault rifle of choice today seems to be Bofors AK-5 alias FN FNC, consuming .223 NATO ammo.
http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Bofors_AK-5 (http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Bofors_AK-5)
Some questions remain: when are weapons handed out to the reservists, and where :)
The weapons are un-plugged ad the assembly are for the "Hemvärn". Where is at the few remaining barracks in Sweden.
Quote from: Leso on 01.03.2013, 03:11:21
Really, this is hilarious serious and alerting!
Our member The Swedish just might have been struck with the same disease and nausea as have our beloved members Apropos Adlupus Atropos and Daddidui Daddidiideliduu Dadkii been struck with.
Maybe I do not get finnish humour, what disease have I gotten sick from?
News from Sweden, the Russians make fun of us big time :D (You are referred to as "The finnish shield")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkwgVCdRMUs
I LOL:ed, tnx Svensken ;D
It is a really frightening phenomenon if there is an issue in society with only one acceptable truth, the Official Truth and if anyone dares to question that truth he becomes a free game to be persecuted, ridiculed, bullied by whatever measures available.
That is exactly the issue of immigration in Sweden. All other 7 parties agree on the issue while the SD's don't. You may think it is diversity to have 7 parties but if they all agree on one issue and want to silence those who disagree with them, what democracy is that. Orwell would be proud of a society like that.
It seems that the bully-boy tactics have played into the hands of the SD's. The papers in Sweden are full of comments how the people voted wrong and how stupid all those people were who voted for these racists. The way the other parties spoke of the SD you would have thought the SD is some underground terrorist organisation which kills people and not a party which exercises its democratic rights to express its views in an election.
Indeed, it seems that many people must have thought that if all those old corrupt parties hate that one party with such intensity there must be some truth in what they are saying.
Quote from: -PPT- on 10.03.2013, 15:48:40
It is a really frightening phenomenon if there is an issue in society with only one acceptable truth, the Official Truth and if anyone dares to question that truth he becomes a free game to be persecuted, ridiculed, bullied by whatever measures available.
That is exactly the issue of immigration in Sweden. All other 7 parties agree on the issue while the SD's don't. You may think it is diversity to have 7 parties but if they all agree on one issue and want to silence those who disagree with them, what democracy is that. Orwell would be proud of a society like that.
It seems that the bully-boy tactics have played into the hands of the SD's. The papers in Sweden are full of comments how the people voted wrong and how stupid all those people were who voted for these racists. The way the other parties spoke of the SD you would have thought the SD is some underground terrorist organisation which kills people and not a party which exercises its democratic rights to express its views in an election.
Indeed, it seems that many people must have thought that if all those old corrupt parties hate that one party with such intensity there must be some truth in what they are saying.
They sweds are in general very stupid. For about 20 years have the destruction been obvious and first now do people at all start thinking of "maybe I could vote for SD". Even if Sweden closes it's borders today it's still a shit place to live for sure. Rapes, killings and burnings (we have higher TOTAL costs for schools burnings than the WHOLE USA).
Close your border to Sweden, it would be a very good start.
Quote from: Svensken on 10.03.2013, 21:19:49
For about 20 years have the destruction been obvious and first now do people at all start thinking of "maybe I could vote for SD". Even if Sweden closes it's borders today it's still a shit place to live for sure. Rapes, killings and burnings (we have higher TOTAL costs for schools burnings than the WHOLE USA).
We have written about the school burning situation here on Homma ( http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,25543.msg341043.html#msg341043 ).
The , not so funny, thing is that in Finland our state television YLE, in order to promote multiculturalism, proclaimed that the school in Rinkeby is one of the worlds best schools, when in fact it is one of the worst performing schools in all of Sweden. This we have also discussed here on Homma ( http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,59706.0.html ).
Rinkeby is also one of the schools that was burnt down by its previous students, and rebuilt according to 'multicultural standards' :
http://jmwbygg.se/referenser/rinkebyakademien/ .
Why would anyone wish for a school like that for their children?
This is but one example why a more multiculturalist Finland is not appealing to me.
Quote from: Svensken on 10.03.2013, 21:19:49
Close your border to Sweden, it would be a very good start.
That is exactly what I have been saying! In past times enemy came from Russia, but today also Sweden is very dangerous neighbour.
Quote from: Svensken on 10.03.2013, 21:19:49
They sweds are in general very stupid. For about 20 years have the destruction been obvious and first now do people at all start thinking of "maybe I could vote for SD". Even if Sweden closes it's borders today it's still a shit place to live for sure. Rapes, killings and burnings (we have higher TOTAL costs for schools burnings than the WHOLE USA).
I have some experience of the Swedes (though of course not as much as you), and I wouldn't say they are in general stupid. My experience is that they are, on the average, sociable, nice and cooperative. The destruction has come slowly, and most people have presumably been occupied with living their lives as best they can. Many people have probably been confused by the Swedish mass media.
Indeed, there seems to be something ...ahem... embarrassing in Sweden, but it's not the people. It's the mass media. A Finnish citizen journalist and our fellow Homma member, Rähmis (or Rähmispossu, traskgris) maintains a blog called sikolätti (http://rahmispossu.net/) (svinstia) where he follows Scandinavian media, with focus on multiculti and everything connected to it. It seems that the Danish media performs rather well: the journalists practice critical thinking, many viewpoints get expressed etc. In contrast, the Swedish mass media seems to be engaged in some kind of a surrealistic performance. Indeed, the pieces that Rähmis has selected from the Swedish media often bring to mind the Soviet mass media, whose expressed purpose was not to mediate information but rather to educate the masses. Sometimes the articles selected by Rähmis give the impression that glasnost is coming to the Swedish mass media, but then the next piece of news breaks that delusion (it also seems that there are also some courageous and critical journalists who like to use their own head in Sweden, but they seem to be rare).
BTW, if you find a particularly juicy multiculti piece in the Swedish mass media, please send a tip (http://rahmispossu.net/ota-yhteytta/) to Rähmis. The future generations might have a difficult time believing how the Swedish mass media was alike, unless it's documented and chronicled.
Quote from: Svensken on 10.03.2013, 21:19:49
Close your border to Sweden, it would be a very good start.
I also hope that our immigration policy would be more selective, but I wouldn't say that Swedes (as an ethnic group rather than a nationality) are a problem. Indeed, I believe that Swedes could be a great resource for Finland. You are generally well-educated, honest, behave well and probably can easily adapt to the Finnish way of life due to the relatively few and mostly unimportant differences between the Finnish and Swedish cultures. Finland has a similar climate and nature, Finland is close and travelling here is cheap, and we already have an infrastructure of services in Swedish in place. Oh, and we have a few hundred thousand Swedish-speaking Finns, whose anchestors mostly came from Sweden in the Middle Ages. So, if Sweden in the future becomes a bit too hard place to live in, Finland has some merit as a place to move to, and Finland has some reason to welcome you with open arms.
The main reason why having Swedes moving to Finland would be a great asset to the Finns is a shortage of workforce that has been predicted for quite some time. While it has not materialized (and IMO it probably never will to a great extent), there is a real possibility that it might occur at least in some professions requiring long education or special skills. And if it ever becomes a reality, Swedes would be very attractive workforce when compared to the main alternatives.
ike60:
Yes, you are right. When I say they are stupid I mean that they have very hard for changing operative system in the minds. Sweds are efficient and smart inside their own system, but the system it self is almost impossible to change. This system has the central component of "immigration is a bliss never a problem". So in this way I mean that they are really really retarded.
Thanks for the bright future you paint of us moving over, maybe we will. We will see what happens in the future ;)
Var bor svensken?
Quote from: ike60 on 10.03.2013, 23:09:20
So, if Sweden in the future becomes a bit too hard place to live in, Finland has some merit as a place to move to, and Finland has some reason to welcome you with open arms.
Well..., I see no special reason to welcome people who have first donated their own country to immigrants from primitive cultures. Add to this that Finland's future seem to be just as sad. We also have far too many "good" people living here.
Quote from: Mika on 11.03.2013, 21:20:17
Quote from: ike60 on 10.03.2013, 23:09:20
So, if Sweden in the future becomes a bit too hard place to live in, Finland has some merit as a place to move to, and Finland has some reason to welcome you with open arms.
Well..., I see no special reason to welcome people who have first donated their own country to immigrants.
Add to this that Finland's future seem to be just as sad. We also have too many "good" people living here.
Not all Swedes are multiculturalists, just like the green-leftists like to say that not all immigrants are criminals. And actually, that's true. So, maybe we Finns could welcome nationalist and sverigedemokratiska Swedes, but not the cultural enrichment or the insane pro-multiculturalists. Just let them stay there with the mess they have lusted to have there for decades.
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 11.03.2013, 21:30:45
Quote from: Mika on 11.03.2013, 21:20:17
Quote from: ike60 on 10.03.2013, 23:09:20
So, if Sweden in the future becomes a bit too hard place to live in, Finland has some merit as a place to move to, and Finland has some reason to welcome you with open arms.
Well..., I see no special reason to welcome people who have first donated their own country to immigrants.
Add to this that Finland's future seem to be just as sad. We also have too many "good" people living here.
Not all Swedes are multiculturalists, just like the green-leftists like to say that not all immigrants are criminals. And actually, that's true. So, maybe we Finns could welcome nationalist and sverigedemokratiska Swedes, but not the cultural enrichment or the insane pro-multiculturalists. Just let them stay there with the mess they have lusted to have there for decades.
I agree with nurkkakuntalainen. Mika is making a false generalization here. The Swedes were never asked permission to multiculturalize their country (no, parliamentary elections don't count), but if they had been, surely a significant portion of the Swedes would have opposed. Then, of course, there is the majority who didn't have an opinion about the multiculturalization of their country in the first place; these people are the kind of decent ordinary people that form the spine of the economy in any country. In all, multiculturalists are probably a rather small minority in Sweden, although one might think otherwise from their influence and media visibility.
As for those Swedes who fullheartedly support multiculturalism, I don't think they will ever even want to move to Finland. After all, Finland isn't sufficiently multicultural for them. Instead, they will continue to live in Sweden (or maybe move to multicultural London, multicultural Leicester, multicultural Marseille etc.). It might be that many of them won't even notice that something has gone terribly wrong in their country - nor did devout communists see anything wrong in the Soviet Union of the 30's (Solzhenitsyn has written sarcastic descriptions of their mindset). Even if they notice that everything is not all right, they will have lots of scapegoats to choose from: racists, the government that didn't invest sufficiently in the newcomers, etc.
Finally, I don't think it is inevitable at all that Finland would become a second Sweden in terms of multiculturalism. We still have plenty of time to change the course. We have had immigration-critical prominent politicians along the way (Aittoniemi, Keijo Korhonen etc.), and now we have Halla-aho and others in the parliament. Our media is more critical than the Swedish media (yes, I agree there is lot of room for improvement in the media, but I speak now in relative terms). The generation of '68 and the Stalinists of the 70's are already retiring. Avoiding the mistakes of Sweden requires lots of effort, but it can be done.
I think ike60 are all right, you must fix it over there because we will probably only hold out for some few decades more.
There are real good news from Sweden:
-Three schools in Mamlö had to close because of weapons found there. Very surprising don't you think? They are now starting to have drills how to empty the school in case of school shootings.
-About 10% of all immigrant looking people in Stockholm subway are illegals who we have no record of, just like the gay who mugged a drunk swed on the railway tracks then leaving him to die. Most of these people we can not even deport because they do not carry any identification.
-Our foreign minister Carl Bildt was shown to have aided American embassy/CIA in the 70s giving them secret information that if reviled would have killed his carter eminently. Now probably nothing will happen else then that we are having a foreign minister with to tight
bonds to the US.
-Rosengårdsskolan will probably be shot down because of to big problems with the students. They will instead be sent to other schools to destroy them instead.
-There is a band of young criminals in Stockholm who captures people in the night, drags them out in the forest beats them and threaten them with knifes to make them give all the money they have to. They are in media referred to as "teen-leagues". About 20 people has been assaulted in this way just during the last months.
-We also had a new record for people being arrested for a group rape. Before the record was 7 rapists then from Afghanistan. Now there are 8 people arrested from a new record group rape in Tensta (multiculti-area) in Stockholm.
Life is beautiful in the Monarchy of Sweden, last time the King spoke to the people he told us how wonderful the immigrants are and of course he is right, he is after all the King.
Svensken,
I dag började webb-tv TV7 Sverige: http://www.heaventv7.se/
Det är en kristen kanal, gratis och det finns programm 24 timmar/ dag där.
http://www.heaventv7.se/tabla/
Mycket intressant programmserie är Koranen eller Bibeln?
QuoteVad är sanningen om islam och muslimernas Koran.
Kan de jämföras med kristendomen och Bibeln?
Titta och berätta också till dina vänner att det finns ny politiskt inkorrekt webb-tv kanal i Sverige! :)
Senare det ska vara programmarkivet också på TV7 Sverige, men ny i början det finns inte arkivet.
Svensken, vad tycker du om den här video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA-Il6Mtdxs) om mångkriminella mångkulturella Sverige?
Quote from: Micke90 on 05.04.2013, 02:35:58
Svensken, vad tycker du om den här video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA-Il6Mtdxs) om mångkriminella mångkulturella Sverige?
I think it's a quite good video to show the new situation in Sweden. Its really funny that the presenter is Robert Aschberg who are a EXPO-person. EXPO is a criminal organisation who lists anyone whit immigration critical views and then sell their information to media. They have all from peoples SMS to what books etc they have ordered.
Its illegal in Sweden to have lists of people with their political ideas. But EXPO is an exception and have even said to be working with SÄPO. (Inside sources, though I know people who have worked in EXPO)
Have you already looked at TV7 Sverige? Do you think they find it to be illegal hate propaganda?
I have heard that some parts of Bible are politically incorrect today in Sweden, but I don't know if it is true. The Koran is naturally suitable for everyone :P
An example:
This Easter I listened to the Johannes-Passio (Johannes-Passionen) - it was possible to listen and watch the Passionen on the internet and also the text was available on the internet.
In Finnish: In German: In Swedish:
Hautaa, joka on sinulle määrätty, Das Grab, so euch bestimmet ist, Din grav
ei tuska enää verhoa, und ferner keine Not umschließt, som strålar klar och ljus
vaan se aukaisee minulle taivaan, macht mir den Himmel auf, är porten till din faders hus
ja sulkee helvetin portin. und schließt die Hölle zu. för alla dem som tro.
We can see here that words like "pain" or "hell" are not ok in Sweden, and the Swedish version of the text therefore must be different.
Quote from: Emo on 05.04.2013, 14:05:50
Have you already looked at TV7 Sverige? Do you think they find it to be illegal hate propaganda?
I have heard that some parts of Bible are politically incorrect today in Sweden, but I don't know if it is true. The Koran is naturally suitable for everyone :P
An example:
This Easter I listened to the Johannes-Passio (Johannes-Passionen) - it was possible to listen and watch the Passionen on the internet and also the text was available on the internet.
In Finnish: In German: In Swedish:
Hautaa, joka on sinulle määrätty, Das Grab, so euch bestimmet ist, Din grav
ei tuska enää verhoa, und ferner keine Not umschließt, som strålar klar och ljus
vaan se aukaisee minulle taivaan, macht mir den Himmel auf, är porten till din faders hus
ja sulkee helvetin portin. und schließt die Hölle zu. för alla dem som tro.
We can see here that words like "pain" or "hell" are not ok in Sweden, and the Swedish version of the text therefore must be different.
Haha, the text comparison were the best ever, they just write what they want and avoid the bad words :D
I have looked some at the channel and I don't think it will be very liked in Sweden. Most people are nihilist atheists but Islam is not to be criticised.
So people who are openly Christian and criticising Islam is not OK in Sweden.
Something that though is OK in Sweden is for "Queer-people" to demonstrate and assault Christians and scream things like "We're here, we're queer, we're going to **** your children." http://youtu.be/8SWEnQqSGCc
I will love to see the day when they do this to Muslims, "The Religion of Love" will surely love them back much more than these Christians haters. ;)
Quote from: Svensken on 05.04.2013, 17:32:51
Quote from: Emo on 05.04.2013, 14:05:50
Have you already looked at TV7 Sverige? Do you think they find it to be illegal hate propaganda?
I have heard that some parts of Bible are politically incorrect today in Sweden, but I don't know if it is true. The Koran is naturally suitable for everyone :P
An example:
This Easter I listened to the Johannes-Passio (Johannes-Passionen) - it was possible to listen and watch the Passionen on the internet and also the text was available on the internet.
In Finnish: In German: In Swedish:
Hautaa, joka on sinulle määrätty, Das Grab, so euch bestimmet ist, Din grav
ei tuska enää verhoa, und ferner keine Not umschließt, som strålar klar och ljus
vaan se aukaisee minulle taivaan, macht mir den Himmel auf, är porten till din faders hus
ja sulkee helvetin portin. und schließt die Hölle zu. för alla dem som tro.
We can see here that words like "pain" or "hell" are not ok in Sweden, and the Swedish version of the text therefore must be different.
Haha, the text comparison were the best ever, they just write what they want and avoid the bad words :D
I have looked some at the channel and I don't think it will be very liked in Sweden. Most people are nihilist atheists but Islam is not to be criticised.
So people who are openly Christian and criticising Islam is not OK in Sweden.
Something that though is OK in Sweden is for "Queer-people" to demonstrate and assault Christians and scream things like "We're here, we're queer, we're going to **** your children." http://youtu.be/8SWEnQqSGCc
I will love to see the day when they do this to Muslims, "The Religion of Love" will surely love them back much more than these Christians haters. ;)
Is that behaviour seen on the YouTube film typical for swedish gay activists? Or are all the swedes similar hate criminals?
Here you find an article of american Guide Magazine (homosexuals own magazine) in which they make public the plans how to desensitize the public to homosexuality. This article was published in 1987.
You may think it is ok and this is only a question of equality but please read more.
Quote1) Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible. The principle behind this advice is simple: almost any behavior begins to look normal if you are exposed to enoug of it at close quarters and among your acquaintaces.
...
2) Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers. In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined be reflex to assume the role of protector.
...
3) Give protectors a just cause.
...
4) Make gays look good.
...
5) Make the victimizers look bad.
At a later stage of the media campaign for gay rights -- long after other gay ads have become commonplace -- it will be time to get tough with remaining opponents. To be blunt, they must be vilified.
... Our goal here is twofold. First, we week to replace the mainstream's self-righteous pride about its homophobia with shame and guilty.
Second, we intend to make the anti-gays look so nasty that average Americans will want to dissociate themselves from such types.
The public should be shown images of ranting homophobes whose secondary traits and beliefs disgust middle America. These images might include the Ku Klux Klan demanding that gays be burned alive or castrated...
6) Solicit funds: the bucks stop here.
... Without access to TV, radio, and the mainstream press, there will be no campaign...
...
http://www.defendthefamily.com/_docs/resources/8142838.pdf
So there is advice even to lie in this campaign for "gay rights", advice to demonize those persons who are against e.g. gay marriage. And it is seen on this YouTube film what this advice means in real life.
A person on another forum where I regularly post had this summary of the nature of islam and its effect on society and how things change when the number of muslims increase in society:
Islam... in layman's terms
Here's how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains under 2% in any given country, they will, for the most part, be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States -- 0.6% Muslim
Australia -- 1.5% Muslim
Canada -- 1.9% Muslim
China -- 1.8% Muslim
Italy -- 1.5% Muslim
Norway -- 1.8% Muslim
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize to other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from prisons and street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark -- 2% Muslim
Germany -- 3.7% Muslim
United Kingdom -- 2.7% Muslim
Spain -- 4% Muslim
Thailand -- 4.6% Muslim
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France -- 8% Muslim
Philippines -- 5% Muslim
Sweden -- 5% Muslim
Switzerland -- 4.3% Muslim
The Netherlands -- 5.5% Muslim
Trinidad & Tobago -- 5.8% Muslim
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Shari'ah, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Shari'ah law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana -- 10% Muslim
India -- 13.4% Muslim
Israel -- 16% Muslim
Kenya -- 10% Muslim
Russia -- 15% Muslim
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, as in:
Ethiopia -- 32.8% Muslim
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, as in:
Bosnia -- 40% Muslim
Chad -- 53.1% Muslim
Lebanon -- 59.7% Muslim
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Shariah Law as a weapon, and jizya, the tax placed on infidels (yes, there really is such a thing) as in:
Albania -- 70% Muslim
Malaysia -- 60.4% Muslim
Qatar -- 77.5% Muslim
Sudan -- 70% Muslim
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some state-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- 83% Muslim
Egypt -- 90% Muslim
Gaza -- 98.7% Muslim
Indonesia -- 86.1% Muslim
Iran -- 98% Muslim
Iraq -- 97% Muslim
Jordan -- 92% Muslim
Morocco -- 98.7% Muslim
Pakistan -- 97% Muslim
Palestine -- 99% Muslim
Syria -- 90% Muslim
Tajikistan -- 90% Muslim
Turkey -- 99.8% Muslim
United Arab Emirates -- 96% Muslim
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here, there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, as in:
Afghanistan -- 100% Muslim
Saudi Arabia -- 100% Muslim
Somalia -- 100% Muslim
Yemen -- 100% Muslim
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states, the most radical Muslims intimidate, spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims for a variety of reasons.
QUOTE:
"Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel."
It is important to understand that even in countries with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Shariah Law. The national police do not enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other groups. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
Will this become something nice? ;D
Svenskarnas Parti tänker demonstrera på 1 maj i Jönköping. Tillsammans kan vi stoppa dem!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Nazifritt-1-maj/547321415301528?fref=ts
http://takku.net/article.php/20130401190744132
Is Svenskarnas Parti really neonazi parti or just "neonazi" parti?
http://www.svenskarnasparti.se/
Quote from: Emo on 06.04.2013, 18:35:28
Is Svenskarnas Parti really neonazi parti or just "neonazi" parti?
http://www.svenskarnasparti.se/
It at least has been a very neo-nazi party, and it still is quite much, although they are now trying to become more mainstream. They have, for example, stopped using Nazi symbols and reduced anti-semitism. They don't call themselves nazis anymore, but rather nationalist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_the_Swedes
And according to Svensken, they are simply neo-nazis.
Quote from: Svensken on 16.02.2013, 22:57:44
Nationaldemokraterna are not described at all because they almost do not exist. Svenkarnas parti are described as neo-nazis which they simply are.
Quote from: nurkkakuntalainen on 06.04.2013, 22:54:20
Quote from: Emo on 06.04.2013, 18:35:28
Is Svenskarnas Parti really neonazi parti or just "neonazi" parti?
http://www.svenskarnasparti.se/
It at least has been a very neo-nazi party, and it still is quite much, although they are now trying to become more mainstream. They have, for example, stopped using Nazi symbols and reduced anti-semitism. They don't call themselves nazis anymore, but rather nationalist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_the_Swedes
And according to Svensken, they are simply neo-nazis.
Quote from: Svensken on 16.02.2013, 22:57:44
Nationaldemokraterna are not described at all because they almost do not exist. Svenkarnas parti are described as neo-nazis which they simply are.
Nazi is always a complicated word, if you don't call your self nazi are you nazi then?
But if you listen to "radio framåt" which have some front figures from the party on they tend to be very positive towards A.H and that part of history and also focus very much on the Jews.
^ Is it true that Wasa knäckebröd is affiliated with these neo-nazi (or whatever) parties?
Do you think that the totalitarian media that only allows one multicultural truth might be behind the radicalization of some of these nationalistic movements?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uolU71q_Y-A
(http://www.iprospect.fi/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/flag-of-sweden.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eCf2qjFxo-g/S7oeiSicxrI/AAAAAAAAAtU/YT-kLiccjeE/s1600/Thaimaa+ja+%C3%A4itin+kuvii+008.JPG)
Hyi saatana! Kuunnelkaa nyt tuotakin moikua. Toivottavasti ei ikinä tule Suomeen mitään tuollaista! :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Hur känns det att bosätta sig på svenskhatarnas forum?
En stor andel av detta forums medlemmar anser att svenskarna i Finland (som politiskt korrekt kallas finlandssvenskar) är ett främmande element och ockupanters avkomma, vilket såklart är fel, men i dessa xenofobers förvirrade tankar en evig sanning.
Swedonate: origin: Sweden -noun (a former free country) + donate –verb; (hand over, lose) -nated, -nation,
verb: an act of without resistance and at ones own cost handing over one's house, home and country to an aggressive, illiterate, ungrateful intruder, to totally, absolutely submit, to prostrate/kowtow.
Svedonera: urspr: Sverige –n. (ett f.d. suveränt land) + donera –verb; (överlåta, totalförlora) -nerad, -nation,
verb: att utan motstånd och på ens egen bekostnad överlåta ens hus, hem och fädernesland till en aggressiv, otacksam, analfabet inkräktare, att totalt knäfalla, att krypa.
Ruotsua: alkup. Ruotsi (ent. itsen. valtio) + ruostua, sortua, luopua verbi: -sunut, -suminen,
verbi: vastarintaa tekemättä ja omalla kustannuksella tehty kodin, konnun ja isänmaan luovuttaminen aggressiiviselle, lukutaidottomalle, kiittämättömälle maahantunkeutujalle, polvillaan eläminen, matelu.
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 19:42:33
Hur känns det att bosätta sig på svenskhatarnas forum?
En stor andel av detta forums medlemmar anser att svenskarna i Finland (som politiskt korrekt kallas finlandssvenskar) är ett främmande element och ockupanters avkomma, vilket såklart är fel, men i dessa xenofobers förvirrade tankar en evig sanning.
Jag tänker att kanske du är på fel (wrong) forum, inte Svensken. :D
Hur så? Forumet bekänner i sin beskrivning att det är öppet för olika åsikter. Insinuerar du att jag inte skulle få finnas här?
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 19:42:33
Hur känns det att bosätta sig på svenskhatarnas forum?
En stor andel av detta forums medlemmar anser att svenskarna i Finland (som politiskt korrekt kallas finlandssvenskar) är ett främmande element och ockupanters avkomma, vilket såklart är fel, men i dessa xenofobers förvirrade tankar en evig sanning.
I Finland är det obligatoriskt att studera svenska i grundskolan. adam7 här säger, att om man vill ha valfrihet i denna fråga så är den åsikten likt med att vilja döda alla finlandssvenskar, föra dem i koncentrationslager och liknande. adam7:s hysteriska åsikt tyvärr delas av ganska många finlandssvenskar men det gör åsikten inte alls färre hysterisk. Valfriheten är också en populär tanke i det gröna partiet, som är sannfinländarnas främsta motståndare i politiken.
Men det gör inget. Vill man skrika nazist och ljuga högt så gör en ganska stor massa politiska hysteriker det.
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:02:03
Hur så? Forumet bekänner i sin beskrivning att det är öppet för olika åsikter. Insinuerar du att jag inte skulle få finnas här?
Åjåj, vilken stenklar logik.
Varför vill du döda mig och alla mig lik? Varför har du skjutit elvahundra judar och skryter om det på alla white power sajter genom hela webben?
En lögn är en lögn är en lögn och du ljuger.
Quote from: AuggieWren on 26.04.2013, 20:03:17
I Finland är det obligatoriskt att studera svenska i grundskolan. adam7 här säger, att om man vill ha valfrihet i denna fråga så är den åsikten likt med att vilja döda alla finlandssvenskar, föra dem i koncentrationslager och liknande. adam7:s hysteriska åsikt tyvärr delas av ganska många finlandssvenskar men det gör åsikten inte alls färre hysterisk. Valfriheten är också en populär tanke i det gröna partiet, som är sannfinländarnas främsta motståndare i politiken.
Men det gör inget. Vill man skrika nazist och ljuga högt så gör en ganska stor massa politiska hysteriker det.
Åjåj, vilken stenklar logik.
Varför vill du döda mig och alla mig lik? Varför har du skjutit elvahundra judar och skryter om det på alla white power sajter genom hela webben?
En lögn är en lögn är en lögn och du ljuger.
halmgubbe
finnarna besluter vilka språk är obligatoriska i detta land. hysteri, nazistkort osv. hittar du inte i mitt inlägg ovan.
du bekräftar mitt tidigare inlägg om svenskhatare. gratulerar!
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:30:53du vederlägger mitt tidigare inlägg om svenskhatare. gratulerar!
Helt enkelt skitprat och lögn och du vet det. Men det här är ju webben. Vill man skrika åt alla som är inte av samma åsikt att "du hatar mig och alla som på sätt a, b, c, d eller vad som helst är mig lik" så gör man det. (Jag är inte ens av samma åsikt som sannfinländarna om den sk tvångssvenskan, men det gör ju inget).
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:02:03
Hur så? Forumet bekänner i sin beskrivning att det är öppet för olika åsikter. Insinuerar du att jag inte skulle få finnas här?
Do you think that Svensken needs you to tell him that he should not be here for some reason?
What is your problem? Do you hate finnishspeaking Finns?
Quote from: Mangustin on 07.04.2013, 15:10:53
^ Is it true that Wasa knäckebröd is affiliated with these neo-nazi (or whatever) parties?
Do you think that the totalitarian media that only allows one multicultural truth might be behind the radicalization of some of these nationalistic movements?
Wasa knäckebröd was formerly owned by Carl Ström who was also a founder of the internet site "The Pirate Bay". He has been and are active in anti-immigration organisations but I am not sure that Ström or people connected to him would call them selves neo-nazi.
The whole situation in Sweden with extreme oppression and hate against people who don't like the multicultural policy of course makes people really angry. When people gets angry they get more radical. So yes, the media and politicians have created many of the nazis in sweden because our leaders are hatefull fascist them selves.
Quote from: Taimi on 26.04.2013, 18:19:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uolU71q_Y-A
(http://www.iprospect.fi/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/flag-of-sweden.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eCf2qjFxo-g/S7oeiSicxrI/AAAAAAAAAtU/YT-kLiccjeE/s1600/Thaimaa+ja+%C3%A4itin+kuvii+008.JPG)
Yes, it's historical day in Sweden. It will be lovely to see the muslims take care of the radical feminists who let them in.
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 19:42:33
Hur känns det att bosätta sig på svenskhatarnas forum?
En stor andel av detta forums medlemmar anser att svenskarna i Finland (som politiskt korrekt kallas finlandssvenskar) är ett främmande element och ockupanters avkomma, vilket såklart är fel, men i dessa xenofobers förvirrade tankar en evig sanning.
Jag börjar så smått också att hata svenskar, det är svårt att inte bli självhatisk när man bor med så mycket dårar.(I also hates sweds, you tend to do that if you live here. They are so extremely stupid and full of death wish)
Quote from: Emo on 26.04.2013, 20:47:13
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:02:03
Hur så? Forumet bekänner i sin beskrivning att det är öppet för olika åsikter. Insinuerar du att jag inte skulle få finnas här?
Do you think that Svensken needs you to tell him that he should not be here for some reason?
What is your problem? Do you hate finnishspeaking Finns?
snälla lilla
nog pratar jag finska. varför skulle jag hata någon. halmgubbe!
har du märkt att svenska inte är precis pop på detta forum? *retorisk fråga*
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 19:42:33
Hur känns det att bosätta sig på svenskhatarnas forum?
En stor andel av detta forums medlemmar anser att svenskarna i Finland (som politiskt korrekt kallas finlandssvenskar) är ett främmande element och ockupanters avkomma, vilket såklart är fel, men i dessa xenofobers förvirrade tankar en evig sanning.
'Read it again, Sam.'
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:56:35
Quote from: Emo on 26.04.2013, 20:47:13
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:02:03
Hur så? Forumet bekänner i sin beskrivning att det är öppet för olika åsikter. Insinuerar du att jag inte skulle få finnas här?
Do you think that Svensken needs you to tell him that he should not be here for some reason?
What is your problem? Do you hate finnishspeaking Finns?
snälla lilla
nog pratar jag finska. varför skulle jag hata någon. halmgubbe!
har du märkt att svenska inte är precis pop på detta forum? *retorisk fråga*
Stop fighting and stick to english!
You have a wonderful country that you have to save together. The language problems is nothing compared to what is happening here in Sweden. Please don't get your selves caught up in those fights, you have to be thinking of getting more babies and closing your borders!
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 20:54:29
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 19:42:33
Hur känns det att bosätta sig på svenskhatarnas forum?
En stor andel av detta forums medlemmar anser att svenskarna i Finland (som politiskt korrekt kallas finlandssvenskar) är ett främmande element och ockupanters avkomma, vilket såklart är fel, men i dessa xenofobers förvirrade tankar en evig sanning.
Jag börjar så smått också att hata svenskar, det är svårt att inte bli självhatisk när man bor med så mycket dårar.(I also hates sweds, you tend to do that if you live here. They are so extremely stupid and full of death wish)
så vem vill du identifiera dig med?
(ditt "svar" tog ju inte ställning till frågan, utan du gick bara enligt din jargong....)
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 20:58:37
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:56:35
Quote from: Emo on 26.04.2013, 20:47:13
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:02:03
Hur så? Forumet bekänner i sin beskrivning att det är öppet för olika åsikter. Insinuerar du att jag inte skulle få finnas här?
Do you think that Svensken needs you to tell him that he should not be here for some reason?
What is your problem? Do you hate finnishspeaking Finns?
snälla lilla
nog pratar jag finska. varför skulle jag hata någon. halmgubbe!
har du märkt att svenska inte är precis pop på detta forum? *retorisk fråga*
Stop fighting and stick to english!
You have a wonderful country that you have to save together. The language problems is nothing compared to what is happening here in Sweden. Please don't get your selves caught up in those fights, you have to be thinking of getting more babies and closing your borders!
varför hänvisar du till engelska när du själv använt svenska n gånger. öppna dina ögon för vad händer i detta land !
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:59:26
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 20:54:29
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 19:42:33
Hur känns det att bosätta sig på svenskhatarnas forum?
En stor andel av detta forums medlemmar anser att svenskarna i Finland (som politiskt korrekt kallas finlandssvenskar) är ett främmande element och ockupanters avkomma, vilket såklart är fel, men i dessa xenofobers förvirrade tankar en evig sanning.
Jag börjar så smått också att hata svenskar, det är svårt att inte bli självhatisk när man bor med så mycket dårar.(I also hates sweds, you tend to do that if you live here. They are so extremely stupid and full of death wish)
så vem vill du identifiera dig med?
(ditt "svar" tog ju inte ställning till frågan, utan du gick bara enligt din jargong....)
I am identifying my self as a Swed because thats what I am, but I also have a lot of self hate because of all the stupid and ignorant sweds. I have had very few experiences on this forum where people would have "hated" me for being swedish. Even if people would have been mean to me that would have been really smart, because sweds lets crazy people from other parts of the world over run their own country and such people should be looked down upon.
What do you think about the situation in Sweden? Is there anything you want to know from me please feel free to mail me here on homma and we can write in swedish in private and I will give you all the information you need to know to be a genuine swed-hater too ;)
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:56:35
har du märkt att svenska inte är precis pop på detta forum? *retorisk fråga*
Tycker du att svenska borde vara pop på detta forum? Warum?
You think also islam should be more popular here? :P
Quote from: Emo on 26.04.2013, 21:05:47
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:56:35
har du märkt att svenska inte är precis pop på detta forum? *retorisk fråga*
Tycker du att svenska borde vara pop på detta forum? Warum?
You think also islam should be more popular here? :P
tycker du alltså att svenska och islam ska jämföras ? ;) det är toppen att man får så fina svar, som öppnar skribentens tankevärld ;)
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 20:58:37
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:56:35
Quote from: Emo on 26.04.2013, 20:47:13
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:02:03
Hur så? Forumet bekänner i sin beskrivning att det är öppet för olika åsikter. Insinuerar du att jag inte skulle få finnas här?
Do you think that Svensken needs you to tell him that he should not be here for some reason?
What is your problem? Do you hate finnishspeaking Finns?
snälla lilla
nog pratar jag finska. varför skulle jag hata någon. halmgubbe!
har du märkt att svenska inte är precis pop på detta forum? *retorisk fråga*
Stop fighting and stick to english!
You have a wonderful country that you have to save together. The language problems is nothing compared to what is happening here in Sweden. Please don't get your selves caught up in those fights, you have to be thinking of getting more babies and closing your borders!
I completely agree with that. Language strife is nothing compared to ethnocidal activities committed by multicultural fascists in Sweden, and increasingly in Finland too.
Its time to work hard to mantain the liberty and democracy of this country, and to stop the ethnocide, hate mongering, and assimilation policy against its indigenous peoples. Its time to look at neighbouring Sweden too, mourn its losses, learn from its suffering, and help its suffering people.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 21:03:40
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:59:26
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 20:54:29
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 19:42:33
Hur känns det att bosätta sig på svenskhatarnas forum?
En stor andel av detta forums medlemmar anser att svenskarna i Finland (som politiskt korrekt kallas finlandssvenskar) är ett främmande element och ockupanters avkomma, vilket såklart är fel, men i dessa xenofobers förvirrade tankar en evig sanning.
Jag börjar så smått också att hata svenskar, det är svårt att inte bli självhatisk när man bor med så mycket dårar.(I also hates sweds, you tend to do that if you live here. They are so extremely stupid and full of death wish)
så vem vill du identifiera dig med?
(ditt "svar" tog ju inte ställning till frågan, utan du gick bara enligt din jargong....)
I am identifying my self as a Swed because thats what I am, but I also have a lot of self hate because of all the stupid and ignorant sweds. I have had very few experiences on this forum where people would have "hated" me for being swedish. Even if people would have been mean to me that would have been really smart, because sweds lets crazy people from other parts of the world over run their own country and such people should be looked down upon.
What do you think about the situation in Sweden? Is there anything you want to know from me please feel free to mail me here on homma and we can write in swedish in private and I will give you all the information you need to know to be a genuine swed-hater too ;)
situationen i Sverige är bekant för mig och den är mera komplex än vad kan diskuteras i snabba svar. det som jag tycker att är skrattretande är att du drar dig till engelska nu när någon ifrågasätter ditt allvetande på ditt modersmål. jag har inget intresse av att gå i privat mejlväxling med dig.
att komma och "informera" de "dumma finnarna" finner jag att vara en form av rikssvenskt besservisseri. god fredagskväll.
I feel for the Swedes, even though that they got what they ordered. :'(
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 26.04.2013, 21:23:29
I feel for the Swedes, even though that they got what they ordered. :'(
The children of Sweden did nothing to deserve the ethnocide, wave of violence and crimes, and totalitarian oppression that falls on them and shatters their lives and identity. They did not order this. They are completely innocent. At least we have to save the children.
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 21:23:05
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 21:03:40
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:59:26
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 20:54:29
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 19:42:33
Hur känns det att bosätta sig på svenskhatarnas forum?
En stor andel av detta forums medlemmar anser att svenskarna i Finland (som politiskt korrekt kallas finlandssvenskar) är ett främmande element och ockupanters avkomma, vilket såklart är fel, men i dessa xenofobers förvirrade tankar en evig sanning.
Jag börjar så smått också att hata svenskar, det är svårt att inte bli självhatisk när man bor med så mycket dårar.(I also hates sweds, you tend to do that if you live here. They are so extremely stupid and full of death wish)
så vem vill du identifiera dig med?
(ditt "svar" tog ju inte ställning till frågan, utan du gick bara enligt din jargong....)
I am identifying my self as a Swed because thats what I am, but I also have a lot of self hate because of all the stupid and ignorant sweds. I have had very few experiences on this forum where people would have "hated" me for being swedish. Even if people would have been mean to me that would have been really smart, because sweds lets crazy people from other parts of the world over run their own country and such people should be looked down upon.
What do you think about the situation in Sweden? Is there anything you want to know from me please feel free to mail me here on homma and we can write in swedish in private and I will give you all the information you need to know to be a genuine swed-hater too ;)
situationen i Sverige är bekant för mig och den är mera komplex än vad kan diskuteras i snabba svar. det som jag tycker att är skrattretande är att du drar dig till engelska nu när någon ifrågasätter ditt allvetande på ditt modersmål. jag har inget intresse av att gå i privat mejlväxling med dig.
att komma och "informera" de "dumma finnarna" finner jag att vara en form av rikssvenskt besservisseri. god fredagskväll.
I am speaking in english because I want all finns on this forum to be able to understand and participated in the debate.(yes I know many don't know english that good, but I do my best when I don't speak any finnish)
The situation in Sweden is not complex at all, it's a hell hole full of stupid multicultural sweds and wave after wave of immigrants who many are very un-nice.
I am sorry if I don't answer you the way you want to, please give me more specific questions and I will answer them as good as I can.
God fredskväll på dig själv! ;)
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 21:17:46
Quote from: Emo on 26.04.2013, 21:05:47
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 20:56:35
har du märkt att svenska inte är precis pop på detta forum? *retorisk fråga*
Tycker du att svenska borde vara pop på detta forum? Warum?
You think also islam should be more popular here? :P
tycker du alltså att svenska och islam ska jämföras ? ;) det är toppen att man får så fina svar, som öppnar skribentens tankevärld ;)
Why not? Now we have tvångssvenska and soon we will have tvångsislam. Kan jämföras!
Here we have some finnishswedish politicians who love islam very much and who also want every Finn to learn tvångssvenska:
DINGDONGWALK - FINNISH MP'S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKnhwTjJKnY
DingDongWalk blir Heja Svenskfinland, tillsammans är vi starkare? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXyjE5Aw75Q
Has anything good ever come to our country from Sweden?
But I must say that I would like normal people like Svensken to move here from Sweden, and politicians like Astrid Thors and other dingdongfeminists can go to Sweden and stay there wearing burkhas.
Quote from: Pöllämystynyt on 26.04.2013, 21:32:12
Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 26.04.2013, 21:23:29
I feel for the Swedes, even though that they got what they ordered. :'(
The children of Sweden did nothing to deserve the ethnocide, wave of violence and crimes, and totalitarian oppression that falls on them and shatters their lives and identity. They did not order this. They are completely innocent. At least we have to save the children.
Their parents think its good for their children to live in this pit of hell and that they are happy to be able to grow up in the new enriched country. As long as the children are under 18 and the parents hate and wish their children harm as much as they do today I don't really see what could be done :(
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 21:23:05
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att komma och "informera" de "dumma finnarna" finner jag att vara en form av rikssvenskt besservisseri. god fredagskväll.
Person who lives in Sweden knows best how it is to live in Sweden... I do not consider it to be "besservisseri" if he tells us about the situation in Sweden. I find it very interesting to hear/read about these things.
Quote from: Emo on 26.04.2013, 21:53:16
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 21:23:05
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att komma och "informera" de "dumma finnarna" finner jag att vara en form av rikssvenskt besservisseri. god fredagskväll.
Person who lives in Sweden knows best how it is to live in Sweden... I do not consider it to be "besservisseri" if he tells us about the situation in Sweden. I find it very interesting to hear/read about these things.
I am very happy Emo that you like be being here, it makes it all worth while! :)
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 21:01:53
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 20:58:37
Stop fighting and stick to english!
You have a wonderful country that you have to save together. The language problems is nothing compared to what is happening here in Sweden. Please don't get your selves caught up in those fights, you have to be thinking of getting more babies and closing your borders!
varför hänvisar du till engelska när du själv använt svenska n gånger. öppna dina ögon för vad händer i detta land !
Because he is an empatic and polite "svensken".
Using english here, he has possibilities to get answers, too.
"Därför".
Does the small towns also have a lot of immigrants?
Quote from: adam7 on 28.04.2013, 03:30:07,,,,valtiohan on sinullekin tarjonnut ruotsin kielen opetuksen. pitäisikö sinulta periä kustannukset takaisin jos olet vain loisinut.
och samma på svenska, så "svensken" förstår.
staten har ju erbjudit dig undervisning för det svenska språket. borde man kräva kostnaderna av dig om du bara snyltat?
Väärin: valtio on
pakottanut 95 % kansasta haaskaamaan aikansa opiskelemalla hyödytöntä, kuolevaa paikallismurretta, jota
puhuu vain 5 % kansasta. Pakottanut, sen sijaan että kansa olisi voinut opiskella jotain hyödyllistä maailmankieltä, jotain käyttökelpoista ja järkevää.
Fel: staten har
påtvingat 95 % av folket slösa sin tid med att lära en onyttigt, döende lokaldialekt, som
enbart talas av 5 % av folket. Tvingat, istället för att folket skulle kunnat studera något nyttigt världspråk, något praktiskt och gynnsamt.
Quote from: Suomi2050 on 27.04.2013, 22:26:21
Does the small towns also have a lot of immigrants?
Yes, only very expensive neighbourhoods are free of immigration. All other places have been overrun, even in the swedish "wilderness".
There has been state policy to place immigrants all over the country, but more recently the policy has been to let them live where ever they want which gravitates to the big cities like Stockholm, Göteborg and Malmö. As you may know Malmö is far the worst place with about 50% immigrants.
Quote from: adam7 on 28.04.2013, 03:30:07
Quote from: Taimi on 27.04.2013, 12:40:26
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 21:01:53
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 20:58:37
Stop fighting and stick to english!
You have a wonderful country that you have to save together. The language problems is nothing compared to what is happening here in Sweden. Please don't get your selves caught up in those fights, you have to be thinking of getting more babies and closing your borders!
varför hänvisar du till engelska när du själv använt svenska n gånger. öppna dina ögon för vad händer i detta land !
Because he is an empatic and polite "svensken".
Using english here, he has possibilities to get answers, too.
"Därför".
valtiohan on sinullekin tarjonnut ruotsin kielen opetuksen. pitäisikö sinulta periä kustannukset takaisin jos olet vain loisinut.
och samma på svenska, så "svensken" förstår.
staten har ju erbjudit dig undervisning för det svenska språket. borde man kräva kostnaderna av dig om du bara snyltat?
Are you for real a swedish-finn or are you a drunk PS-provacateur?
If you are behaving like that, feel free to go to Sweden and live there. If you have to fight over the language issue instead of stopping mass immigration you are a very stupid person who deserve to live here in hell with the rest of us stupid sweds.
Quote from: far angst on 28.04.2013, 05:56:50
Quote from: adam7 on 28.04.2013, 03:30:07,,,,valtiohan on sinullekin tarjonnut ruotsin kielen opetuksen. pitäisikö sinulta periä kustannukset takaisin jos olet vain loisinut.
och samma på svenska, så "svensken" förstår.
staten har ju erbjudit dig undervisning för det svenska språket. borde man kräva kostnaderna av dig om du bara snyltat?
Väärin: valtio on pakottanut 95 % kansasta haaskaamaan aikansa opiskelemalla hyödytöntä, kuolevaa paikallismurretta, jota puhuu vain 5 % kansasta. Pakottanut, sen sijaan että kansa olisi voinut opiskella jotain hyödyllistä maailmankieltä, jotain käyttökelpoista ja järkevää.
Fel: staten har påtvingat 95 % av folket slösa sin tid med att lära en onyttigt, döende lokaldialekt, som enbart talas av 5 % av folket. Tvingat, istället för att folket skulle kunnat studera något nyttigt världspråk, något praktiskt och gynnsamt.
I agree!
It's dying for sure, that is a proven fact :(
Quote from: adam7 on 28.04.2013, 03:30:07
Quote from: Taimi on 27.04.2013, 12:40:26
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 21:01:53
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 20:58:37
Stop fighting and stick to english!
You have a wonderful country that you have to save together. The language problems is nothing compared to what is happening here in Sweden. Please don't get your selves caught up in those fights, you have to be thinking of getting more babies and closing your borders!
varför hänvisar du till engelska när du själv använt svenska n gånger. öppna dina ögon för vad händer i detta land !
Because he is an empatic and polite "svensken".
Using english here, he has possibilities to get answers, too.
"Därför".
valtiohan on sinullekin tarjonnut ruotsin kielen opetuksen. pitäisikö sinulta periä kustannukset takaisin jos olet vain loisinut.
och samma på svenska, så "svensken" förstår.
staten har ju erbjudit dig undervisning för det svenska språket. borde man kräva kostnaderna av dig om du bara snyltat?
Valtiohan on sinullekin tarjonnut
suomenkielen (kirjoitetaan yhteen) opetuksen.
Pitäisikö (lause aloitetaan isolla kirjaimella) sinulta periä kustannukset takaisin jos olet vain loisinut
? (Kysymyslauseen perään kysymysmerkki).
Och samma på svenska, så "svensken" förstår. (
Staten har ju erbjudit dig undervisning för det finska språket.
Borde man kräva kostnaderna av dig om du bara snyltat?
% 4
Quote from: Svensken on 28.04.2013, 09:59:05
Quote from: adam7 on 28.04.2013, 03:30:07
Quote from: Taimi on 27.04.2013, 12:40:26
Because he is an empatic and polite "svensken".
Using english here, he has possibilities to get answers, too.
"Därför".
valtiohan on sinullekin tarjonnut ruotsin kielen opetuksen. pitäisikö sinulta periä kustannukset takaisin jos olet vain loisinut.
och samma på svenska, så "svensken" förstår.
staten har ju erbjudit dig undervisning för det svenska språket. borde man kräva kostnaderna av dig om du bara snyltat?
Are you for real a swedish-finn or are you a drunk PS-provacateur?
If you are behaving like that, feel free to go to Sweden and live there. If you have to fight over the language issue instead of stopping mass immigration you are a very stupid person who deserve to live here in hell with the rest of us stupid sweds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ4rpH4wLMQ
Quote from: adam7 on 28.04.2013, 03:30:07
Quote from: Taimi on 27.04.2013, 12:40:26
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 21:01:53
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 20:58:37
Stop fighting and stick to english!
You have a wonderful country that you have to save together. The language problems is nothing compared to what is happening here in Sweden. Please don't get your selves caught up in those fights, you have to be thinking of getting more babies and closing your borders!
varför hänvisar du till engelska när du själv använt svenska n gånger. öppna dina ögon för vad händer i detta land !
Because he is an empatic and polite "svensken".
Using english here, he has possibilities to get answers, too.
"Därför".
valtiohan on sinullekin tarjonnut ruotsin kielen opetuksen. pitäisikö sinulta periä kustannukset takaisin jos olet vain loisinut.
och samma på svenska, så "svensken" förstår.
staten har ju erbjudit dig undervisning för det svenska språket. borde man kräva kostnaderna av dig om du bara snyltat?
Tässä on loistava esimerkki pakkoruotsihullujen sumeasta ajattelusta. Hauskinta tässä on se, että neuvostokommunistit puolustivat Neuvostoliittoa täsmälleen samoilla harhoilla.
Here we have a great example of the foggy thoughts of the pro obligatory Swedish lanquage -people. The funniest thing about it is that soviet commies used to defend Soviet Union with the same delusional arguments.
Quote from: Taimi on 28.04.2013, 11:54:51
Quote from: Svensken on 28.04.2013, 09:59:05
Quote from: adam7 on 28.04.2013, 03:30:07
Quote from: Taimi on 27.04.2013, 12:40:26
Because he is an empatic and polite "svensken".
Using english here, he has possibilities to get answers, too.
"Därför".
valtiohan on sinullekin tarjonnut ruotsin kielen opetuksen. pitäisikö sinulta periä kustannukset takaisin jos olet vain loisinut.
och samma på svenska, så "svensken" förstår.
staten har ju erbjudit dig undervisning för det svenska språket. borde man kräva kostnaderna av dig om du bara snyltat?
Are you for real a swedish-finn or are you a drunk PS-provacateur?
If you are behaving like that, feel free to go to Sweden and live there. If you have to fight over the language issue instead of stopping mass immigration you are a very stupid person who deserve to live here in hell with the rest of us stupid sweds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ4rpH4wLMQ
You got it all wrong, this is actually our national anthem now days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBiUH5KeB8
Quote from: alussaolisana on 28.04.2013, 12:29:14
Quote from: adam7 on 28.04.2013, 03:30:07
Quote from: Taimi on 27.04.2013, 12:40:26
Quote from: adam7 on 26.04.2013, 21:01:53
Quote from: Svensken on 26.04.2013, 20:58:37
Stop fighting and stick to english!
You have a wonderful country that you have to save together. The language problems is nothing compared to what is happening here in Sweden. Please don't get your selves caught up in those fights, you have to be thinking of getting more babies and closing your borders!
varför hänvisar du till engelska när du själv använt svenska n gånger. öppna dina ögon för vad händer i detta land !
Because he is an empatic and polite "svensken".
Using english here, he has possibilities to get answers, too.
"Därför".
valtiohan on sinullekin tarjonnut ruotsin kielen opetuksen. pitäisikö sinulta periä kustannukset takaisin jos olet vain loisinut.
och samma på svenska, så "svensken" förstår.
staten har ju erbjudit dig undervisning för det svenska språket. borde man kräva kostnaderna av dig om du bara snyltat?
Tässä on loistava esimerkki pakkoruotsihullujen sumeasta ajattelusta. Hauskinta tässä on se, että neuvostokommunistit puolustivat Neuvostoliittoa täsmälleen samoilla harhoilla.
Here we have a great example of the foggy thoughts of the pro obligatory Swedish lanquage -people. The funniest thing about it is that soviet commies used to defend Soviet Union with the same delusional arguments.
He many times write strange swedish which made me think he was only a drung finn from PS making fun of the people who wants to keep swedish. We will see if he returns and maybe clear things up for us.
Your unity is very important, never let the question of language get your nation into an internal fight. It's multiculturalism, radical-feminism and general stupidity which must be stopped if you don't want to be turned in to a Sweden.
This summer 2013 I promise many exiting news from your brother country full of murders, burnings, rape and other hellish behaviour. The New Sweden will show it self in all its glory, stay tuned and you will be a part of the journey.
Quote from: Svensken on 28.04.2013, 16:12:58
Quote from: Taimi on 28.04.2013, 11:54:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ4rpH4wLMQ
You got it all wrong, this is actually our national anthem now days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBiUH5KeB8
:-\
Jösses! (Jesus Christ!)
Tonight I won't sleep.
What could I say? I am wordless.
God bless the kingdom of Sweden! :facepalm:
Quote from: Svensken on 28.04.2013, 16:17:34
Quote from: alussaolisana on 28.04.2013, 12:29:14
Tässä on loistava esimerkki pakkoruotsihullujen sumeasta ajattelusta. Hauskinta tässä on se, että neuvostokommunistit puolustivat Neuvostoliittoa täsmälleen samoilla harhoilla.
Here we have a great example of the foggy thoughts of the pro obligatory Swedish lanquage -people. The funniest thing about it is that soviet commies used to defend Soviet Union with the same delusional arguments.
He many times write strange swedish which made me think he was only a drung finn from PS making fun of the people who wants to keep swedish. We will see if he returns and maybe clear things up for us.
He´s real enough. His intrests are history and military among other things. When he has been banned from his usual hangouts he goes where his intrest lies at that moment. Apparently now it is here. Now he appears to be in a manic phase.
Quote from: Svensken on 28.04.2013, 16:17:34
This summer 2013 I promise many exiting news from your brother country full of murders, burnings, rape and other hellish behaviour. The New Sweden will show it self in all its glory, stay tuned and you will be a part of the journey.
Sounds very interesting!
I just read from text-TV news that SverigeDemokraterna is only 6.7% in gallup! :o What has happened?
Just propaganda?
Quote from: Svensken on 28.04.2013, 09:59:43
I agree!
It's dying for sure, that is a proven fact :(
I have nothing against svenska språket, I am only against "tvungen".
Quote from: Emo on 28.04.2013, 20:50:12
Quote from: Svensken on 28.04.2013, 16:17:34
This summer 2013 I promise many exiting news from your brother country full of murders, burnings, rape and other hellish behaviour. The New Sweden will show it self in all its glory, stay tuned and you will be a part of the journey.
Sounds very interesting!
I just read from text-TV news that SverigeDemokraterna is only 6.7% in gallup! :o What has happened?
Just propaganda?
Maybe it's the racism scandal of Markus Wiechel? http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,81627.0.html
Quote from: Snuiva on 28.04.2013, 16:31:27
Quote from: Svensken on 28.04.2013, 16:17:34
Quote from: alussaolisana on 28.04.2013, 12:29:14
Tässä on loistava esimerkki pakkoruotsihullujen sumeasta ajattelusta. Hauskinta tässä on se, että neuvostokommunistit puolustivat Neuvostoliittoa täsmälleen samoilla harhoilla.
Here we have a great example of the foggy thoughts of the pro obligatory Swedish lanquage -people. The funniest thing about it is that soviet commies used to defend Soviet Union with the same delusional arguments.
He many times write strange swedish which made me think he was only a drung finn from PS making fun of the people who wants to keep swedish. We will see if he returns and maybe clear things up for us.
He´s real enough. His intrests are history and military among other things. When he has been banned from his usual hangouts he goes where his intrest lies at that moment. Apparently now it is here. Now he appears to be in a manic phase.
Aha, manic phases can make you do the most stupid things...
Quote from: Emo on 28.04.2013, 20:50:12
Quote from: Svensken on 28.04.2013, 16:17:34
This summer 2013 I promise many exiting news from your brother country full of murders, burnings, rape and other hellish behaviour. The New Sweden will show it self in all its glory, stay tuned and you will be a part of the journey.
Sounds very interesting!
I just read from text-TV news that SverigeDemokraterna is only 6.7% in gallup! :o What has happened?
Just propaganda?
SD have been purging a lot of people from the party. Many of those in recent times has been very well liked. I think the feeling of SD becoming more and more like a "ordinary party" is what makes people don't care for voting on them.
The "racist scandals" I think are just a media hype. We are handing our own country away, we have any right to say "racist things" and so do the voters of SD think i believe. After the firt big scandal SD actually went up in the polls, but now after the big amounts of purges the are not rising any more.
SD should have stood their ground from the beginning. Now they are just being as stupid as the rest of the parties. What people say is nothing compared to the reality that have been created in Sweden.
We just must be brave.
We don't care what they say, how they call us, when we are fighting for our societies.
Our lands are in real danger, this is not a game, this is real war: for Finland, for Sweden, for whole Scandinavia. But in this "war" we must be wise, watch carefully what we do, how we behave, that our enemies can't have anything to say against us.
We are patriots, guerrillas, but this is a cold war, I don't speak about any violence. We must stand brave and defend lands of our ancient mothers and fathers. To be proud of our history. We have fine cultures, heritage from past, it is ours and we are not going to lose it. :)
Swedish Patriots? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddgyg_5FF_0 :P
This evening it begins!
Kari Peitsamo - Ice Hockey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhw8UJt-bT4
Listen to the words very carefully! ;D
we should also act!
I wonder if there is hope... There is no hope for Sweden or Norway in my opinion. They will never send their "cultural contributors" away from their country. There is no hope for Finland thanks to this very very strong media propaganda and so-called left-wing..
Tjena Svensken! Hur är det :)
Hey, what can you tell us about current situation in Rinkeby? Is it true, that there are actually good places or decent areas over there and nice places to own an apartment in that area? For a white man that is?
Quote from: J. Lanta on 06.05.2013, 19:30:52
Tjena Svensken! Hur är det :)
Hey, what can you tell us about current situation in Rinkeby? Is it true, that there are actually good places or decent areas over there and nice places to own an apartment in that area? For a white man that is?
Last time I was in Rinkeby is was generally a crap place to live. But in the outskirts had some areas with houses that had palisades around them, almost like old medieval places. I think there lived sweds there and they looked quite nice.
If you live in a apartment close to the train-station you have a good apartment. Just make sure to spend minimum amount of time in Rinkeby and only walk from your apartment to the train that takes you to the city centre and you have a cheep living in Stockholm.
I had to stop reading this thread at around page 10, because reading these pages is like looking into a heightened nightmarish mirror.
It's all there in Sweden, all that nonsense we've had to bare coming from the patronizing mainstream media, university multiculti-experts (sosiologicus magicus) and insane politicians (usually females past their prime). But the sheer volume of the madness in Sweden is just staggering, and it's fully in operation.
Page after page I found the same self-destructive attitudes laid out, that also plague the current Finnish mental landscape; all the same "trends" and irrational ideas. Step by step into destruction. No doubt would the self-destructive multiculti leftists say the same thing about us "racists" and the things we discuss here.
("Their ideas, it's all brought from abroad", like a certain asshole historian keeps repeating on various public propaganda appearances, like it would somehow weight as an rational argument against something. Large scale madness causes a similar kind of counter-reaction in sane people, whether it the people of Switzerland or Sweden. Ideas and ideologies do not exist in a vacuum.)
And If the going gets rough, the multiculti leftits will no doubt rather ally with the Third World Other, than their fellow countrymen trying to defend what's rightfully theirs.
We're living in a culture that has no pride. A culture that looks itself down in contempt, a culture trying to destroy itself. Immigrants are just secondary in the grand scheme of things. We could change all the relevant laws in no time. But it's not going to happen. The self-destructiveness and bad faith runs so deep. It's written all across the media, the humanities and social sciences, and in the way we see yourselves and our place in the world. I've witnessed it on personal level so many times, that it's slowly becoming mentally crippling and depressing. I could ramble on more, but I think I've said enough already.
Best of luck to you Svensken.
^ Hyvin todennettu, todella hyvin!
Especially the aspect that there is no pride among us as nation. Or big parts. That is so fucking difficult to understand, since we have all the reasons to be proud about ourselves. Not with the politics, not with what has been done to this country, but with the people called Finns. As stupid as it sounds, again today in Antwerpen I almost blushed with the positive comments I (we) received from the foreigners. Why does it have to be them to say the positive things....
Hejsan Svensken,
Vad tycker du om detta:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/05/goodbye-sweden-that-was/
Min åsikt är att det är synd vad som har hänt till Sverige.
Quote from: acc on 09.05.2013, 21:31:52
Hejsan Svensken,
Vad tycker du om detta:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/05/goodbye-sweden-that-was/
Min åsikt är att det är synd vad som har hänt till Sverige.
Quote from: Gates of Vienna... How could anyone with an IQ above room temperature...
I love this one! ;D
Quote from: Leso on 09.05.2013, 22:19:50
Quote from: acc on 09.05.2013, 21:31:52
Hejsan Svensken,
Vad tycker du om detta:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/05/goodbye-sweden-that-was/
Min åsikt är att det är synd vad som har hänt till Sverige.
Quote from: Gates of Vienna... How could anyone with an IQ above room temperature...
I love this one! ;D
A very good text about a very bad country...
Yes, "Sweden-That-Was" is now forever gone.
Quote from: Svensken on 10.05.2013, 19:16:44
A very good text about a very bad country...
Yes, "Sweden-That-Was" is now forever gone.
Hej, isn't there anything nice and happy things in Sweden? It can not be total Hell?
Quote from: Svensken on 10.05.2013, 19:16:44
Quote from: Leso on 09.05.2013, 22:19:50
Quote from: acc on 09.05.2013, 21:31:52
Hejsan Svensken,
Vad tycker du om detta:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/05/goodbye-sweden-that-was/
Min åsikt är att det är synd vad som har hänt till Sverige.
Quote from: Gates of Vienna... How could anyone with an IQ above room temperature...
I love this one! ;D
A very good text about a very bad country...
Yes, "Sweden-That-Was" is now forever gone.
When the swedish men gonna grow some balls, or is it because of the water you drink?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTbL1hH19BESweden Turns Into An International Laughing Stock
I think we have no reason to laugh at anyone, situating here between Sweden and Russia! (En jaksa miettiä tuliko tuo lause oikein englanniksi... I 'm too tired to think if this english sentence is correct.)
Quote from: Emo on 10.05.2013, 19:19:16
Quote from: Svensken on 10.05.2013, 19:16:44
A very good text about a very bad country...
Yes, "Sweden-That-Was" is now forever gone.
Hej, isn't there anything nice and happy things in Sweden? It can not be total Hell?
Of course there are still a lot of good in Sweden, but the tendency of destruction is very clear. Just like when Titanic was sinking. For a very long time there were nice people in Titanic, but it was sure that the boat was going to sink and the majority soon would found them selves in a horrible dark sea of death...
This is the situation in Sweden.
Quote from: Emo on 10.05.2013, 19:38:24
I think we have no reason to laugh at anyone, situating here between Sweden and Russia! (En jaksa miettiä tuliko tuo lause oikein englanniksi... I 'm too tired to think if this english sentence is correct.)
You can laugh as much as you want as long as it heightens your moral, you are the last bastion. You have extremely few immigrants and you don't get assaulted or killed for speaking up against immigration in Finland. You have a very good chance over there, never forget that.
Use us as an scary example of what will happen to you if you do the same. All the rapes, murders and general madness. Spread the word and just let people know you your brother country's state of being, then our suffering will have a greater meaning.
Hej Svensken!
Why are you giving up? Are you alone there in Sweden with your thoughts?
Hejsan Svensken,
Finns det något finnarna kunde göra för Sverige?
Acc
Quote from: Leso on 10.05.2013, 22:04:19
Hej Svensken!
Why are you giving up? Are you alone there in Sweden with your thoughts?
I never said I have given up, but as I wrote before there is extremely little chance that Sweden will survive as a working country within the coming decades. We will see very much blood and horrors in this country. I am just stating the obvious situation here and I hope it will make you even more motivated to fight for your country.
I am not alone, but there is very little resistance against the destruction...
Quote from: acc on 10.05.2013, 23:32:02
Hejsan Svensken,
Finns det något finnarna kunde göra för Sverige?
Acc
Visit us and experience the situation so that you will get a better understanding and more easy can scare your countrymen from making your country like Sweden. But of course, if you want a really long and hard struggle: Move here and start fighting multi culturalism, but you are much better of doing so in Finland. Here you may lose your work, family, house/other belongings and your life. Its not cheep not liking multiculturalism in Sweden, you will pay dearly indeed. We have had very few murders though, mostly murder attempts.
Thank you for your reply, Svensken!
Never mind what I might think of "the real you", I am getting a feeling of deep despair.
Pull yourselves together, Swedes! And all the best. Be safe.
Leso
Quote from: Leso on 11.05.2013, 13:44:51
Thank you for your reply, Svensken!
Never mind what I might think of "the real you", I am getting a feeling of deep despair.
Pull yourselves together, Swedes! And all the best. Be safe.
Leso
Ole hyvä! ;)
Hejsan everybody, privjet!
Ten days banned and back now, among in a battle, again. :)
Is a revolution allready started?
What can we do for our fatherlands?
We can be proud of our fine scandinavian heritage.
Our beutifull languages, our ancient cultures.
This is an old karelian lullaby: Nuku, nuku nurmilintu (Sleep, sleep, grassbird)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbWi4MUpHjE
Hello, Svensken!
Forgive me for not reading this whole thread through in order to make sure you have not answered the questions that I am now going to ask.
I take it you support and vote for the Sweden Democrats. If so, when did you start supporting them? Which party did you vote for earlier? What made you understand the catastrophic nature of multiculturalism?
How do you, original swedish people, think and feel your own people and its history, culture, etc, for example your old roots as wikings, or your mythology, ancient belief? What does your history mean to you? Are you living only in this day, or do you ever watch also to the past and have a native proud of your parents in your history?
I am proud I am a finn. I am very proud of it. We are the eldist folk ever in Europe, we lived here around Baltic Sea already 10000 years ago! You, swedish people, came here much later (: about 1200 years ago). Our ancient parents were fishermen, bear hunters. I very much respect my and our history, it means me much.
How is it with you? Do you ever think your past, do you remember your ancient parents? Do you remember your old songs, poets, do you have them?
:)
For those who understand swedish, here is an article about the violence you have to take if you speak out against mass immigration in Sweden and the media does not care a tiny bit:
http://avpixlat.info/2013/05/14/sd-politiker-hotas-forfoljs-och-misshandlas-men-ingen-bryr-sig/
Here is also a interesting article about all the dogs who are captured and used as live dolls and food for the immigrants attack-dogs:
http://avpixlat.info/2013/05/13/vilka-ar-det-som-stjal-vara-hundar/
Quote from: Tragedian synty on 13.05.2013, 12:18:59
Hello, Svensken!
Forgive me for not reading this whole thread through in order to make sure you have not answered the questions that I am now going to ask.
I take it you support and vote for the Sweden Democrats. If so, when did you start supporting them? Which party did you vote for earlier? What made you understand the catastrophic nature of multiculturalism?
I support them, but they are getting more and more immigration positive, we will never get the old sweden back even if they would win...
Earlier I did support the moderates, but they are all crazy now. Our finance minister who are moderat newly told us that "Sweden will in the future be just like Africa" and he meant it in a positive way...
Quote from: Taimi on 13.05.2013, 13:41:50
How do you, original swedish people, think and feel your own people and its history, culture, etc, for example your old roots as wikings, or your mythology, ancient belief? What does your history mean to you? Are you living only in this day, or do you ever watch also to the past and have a native proud of your parents in your history?
I am proud I am a finn. I am very proud of it. We are the eldist folk ever in Europe, we lived here around Baltic Sea already 10000 years ago! You, swedish people, came here much later (: about 1200 years ago). Our ancient parents were fishermen, bear hunters. I very much respect my and our history, it means me much.
How is it with you? Do you ever think your past, do you remember your ancient parents? Do you remember your old songs, poets, do you have them?
:)
No, we seldom think about our history. We are taught very little about it in school. We know nothing about our old songs or poets.
The only Viking reference is T-shirts sold to tourists. I am sorry to tell you but Sweden has very little in form of historical and cultural knowelage and pride.
Quote from: Svensken on 14.05.2013, 10:14:47
Our finance minister who are moderat newly told us that "Sweden will in the future be just like Africa" and he meant it in a positive way...
Your country is so gone. R.I.P.
Although I am quite interested to see how The New Africa will handle -30 degrees and snowstorms all by themselves. Must have strong know-how straight and fresh from The Old Africa.
A delightful human experiment! And no nazi connection...
QuoteNo, we seldom think about our history. We are taught very little about it in school. We know nothing about our old songs or poets.
The only Viking reference is T-shirts sold to tourists. I am sorry to tell you but Sweden has very little in form of historical and cultural knowelage and pride.
That's very sad.
Seems like the left wing politicians and ideologists have stolen your history and now they're feeding you the "brave new" multicultural history in which you swedes are seen as a rotten and declined culture which needs to be replaced with a new cultural story with different genes and traditions.
This is psychological warfare. Now you must stand up as a nation and remember who you are and howcome it was possible for you to become one of the most developed countries on the Earth. You must pay respect to your history, which is great and you must remember your ancestors and bloodlines. For they are sacred. If you have no past you have no future.
"If you have no past you have no future", well enough said by Eino P.
And remember, history is as it's written. Go and seek deeper. For those books forgotten.
If you can't find them, ask Finsken.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 14.05.2013, 10:32:45
QuoteNo, we seldom think about our history. We are taught very little about it in school. We know nothing about our old songs or poets.
The only Viking reference is T-shirts sold to tourists. I am sorry to tell you but Sweden has very little in form of historical and cultural knowelage and pride.
That's very sad.
Seems like the left wing politicians and ideologists have stolen your history and now they're feeding you the "brave new" multicultural history in which you swedes are seen as a rotten and declined culture which needs to be replaced with a new cultural story with different genes and traditions.
This is psychological warfare. Now you must stand up as a nation and remember who you are and howcome it was possible for you to become one of the most developed countries on the Earth. You must pay respect to your history, which is great and you must remember your ancestors and bloodlines. For they are sacred. If you have no past you have no future.
"The people who controls the present controls the past.
The people who controls the past controls the future."
Sweden is proud to tell the world that we now have a fighting Jihad-group fighting in Syria, here is the recruitment video from the group:
http://youtu.be/LQStWnLLEwI
If Allah is willing, the new sons of Sweden will win this battle and bring the religion of peace to Syria!
If Allah is willing and loving, all the new sons of Sweden will go to Syria to fight - and stay there.
Quote from: Leso on 14.05.2013, 10:37:06
"If you have no past you have no future", well enough said by Eino P.
And remember, history is as it's written. Go and seek deeper. For those books forgotten.
If you can't find them, ask Finsken.
nobody has a future but every living creature has a past
Quote from: Svensken on 14.05.2013, 12:24:30
Sweden is proud to tell the world that we now have a fighting Jihad-group fighting in Syria, here is the recruitment video from the group:
http://youtu.be/LQStWnLLEwI
If Allah is willing, the new sons of Sweden will win this battle and bring the religion of peace to Syria!
Perhaps there is an escape from the islamization for Sweden after all.
Just send the immigrant muslim fools to whatever war is out there. Charter a direct jihad-flight from Stockholm to the war-zone and give them a governement sponsored dynamite stick (Swedish invention!) as a martyrs return ticket to the paradise.
You get rid of them once and for all and the muslims get express transportation to the paradise they long for. Cheap and effective for all parties.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 14.05.2013, 10:32:45
That's very sad.
Seems like the left wing politicians and ideologists have stolen your history and now they're feeding you the "brave new" multicultural history in which you swedes are seen as a rotten and declined culture which needs to be replaced with a new cultural story with different genes and traditions.
This is psychological warfare. Now you must stand up as a nation and remember who you are and howcome it was possible for you to become one of the most developed countries on the Earth. You must pay respect to your history, which is great and you must remember your ancestors and bloodlines. For they are sacred. If you have no past you have no future.
Hallelujah! :)
will Sweden become the first Islamic nation in Europe
Quote from: veikko1980 on 14.05.2013, 13:20:14
will Sweden become the first Islamic nation in Europe
We hope, not.
But hope alone is not enough, we must work for our fatherlands.
Now take hold of yourselves. Stand up and start to defend your homeland, fatherland, Sweden.
Remember: it's your home. It is Sweden. You have rights to defend your own home.
You have not been in a war for many hundried years, thats why you have a little languished. Stop it now, stand up, or you will loose your homes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvN52ItM_kI
Quote from: Taimi on 14.05.2013, 13:52:34
Quote from: veikko1980 on 14.05.2013, 13:20:14
will Sweden become the first Islamic nation in Europe
We hope, not.
But hope alone is not enough, we must work for our fatherlands.
Now take hold of yourselves. Stand up and start to defend your homeland, fatherland, Sweden.
Remember: it's your home. It is Sweden. You have rights to defend your own home.
You have not been in a war for many hundried years, thats why you have a little languished. Stop it now, stand up, or you will loose your homes.
We have never had a real civil war like this might become...
We understand, this is a new situation there in Sweden and you don't understand yet, that the enemy must be beaten down before it becomes too strong and later it will be much more difficult, perhaps impossible to do.
Quote from: Svensken on 14.05.2013, 13:53:54
Quote from: Taimi on 14.05.2013, 13:52:34
Quote from: veikko1980 on 14.05.2013, 13:20:14
will Sweden become the first Islamic nation in Europe
We hope, not.
But hope alone is not enough, we must work for our fatherlands.
Now take hold of yourselves. Stand up and start to defend your homeland, fatherland, Sweden.
Remember: it's your home. It is Sweden. You have rights to defend your own home.
You have not been in a war for many hundried years, thats why you have a little languished. Stop it now, stand up, or you will loose your homes.
We have never had a real civil war like this might become...
It has and still may take some time for you guys to wake up in general but, hey, don't forget that you are a very civilized nation what builds highly sophisticated aeroplanes, cars, weapons etc. After you wake up it will be a peace of cake for you to take care of things and doesn''t really require violence at all. Only justice. You've got the technical advantage and you've got the heart. All you need is a bit bigger balls but they are growing all the time for sure. And i bet we will help you as soon as possible.
Quote from: Svensken on 14.05.2013, 10:14:47
Quote from: Tragedian synty on 13.05.2013, 12:18:59
Hello, Svensken!
Forgive me for not reading this whole thread through in order to make sure you have not answered the questions that I am now going to ask.
I take it you support and vote for the Sweden Democrats. If so, when did you start supporting them? Which party did you vote for earlier? What made you understand the catastrophic nature of multiculturalism?
I support them, but they are getting more and more immigration positive, we will never get the old sweden back even if they would win...
This can be strategy. Timo Soini, the chair of the Basic Finns, our anti-multiculturalism party, rarely speaks anything about immigration. That is why the media cannot blame him of being monomaniac. Still, when asked, he supports the critical policy of Jussi Halla-aho.
Quote from: Svensken on 14.05.2013, 10:14:47
Earlier I did support the moderates, but they are all crazy now. Our finance minister who are moderat newly told us that "Sweden will in the future be just like Africa" and he meant it in a positive way...
Do you have a source for this in the Internet? I would gladly spread it around. For the transformation of Sweden into a third world country is a security threat for Finland. Thus it would be an argument for Finland to intervene in the Swedish politics.
This is a Timo Soini's blog. You can translate it in swedish.
http://timosoini.fi/ :)
He is a good and a respected politician around the world, even in Vatican, too!
(He is a romancatholic christian.)
Quote from: Svensken on 14.05.2013, 13:53:54
Quote from: Taimi on 14.05.2013, 13:52:34
Quote from: veikko1980 on 14.05.2013, 13:20:14
will Sweden become the first Islamic nation in Europe
We hope, not.
But hope alone is not enough, we must work for our fatherlands.
Now take hold of yourselves. Stand up and start to defend your homeland, fatherland, Sweden.
Remember: it's your home. It is Sweden. You have rights to defend your own home.
You have not been in a war for many hundried years, thats why you have a little languished. Stop it now, stand up, or you will loose your homes.
We have never had a real civil war like this might become...
You must love muslims behind the ocean-I heard that you take in more than 1000 aweek.
If you had to list the worst hoods in Sweden, what would they be?
1. Stockholm subs
2. Södertälje
3 Malmö
4 Göteborgs subs
5 Borlänge
6 ...
is there any bigger spot that has not yet been raped and islamized?
A clerical error, I ment: "...stand up, or you will lose your homes." (not "loose") :P
Quote"The people who controls the present controls the past.
The people who controls the past controls the future."
If you do not remember who you are, you control nothing.
The past is not who you are. The future is not who you are. Your heart and soul is who you are. And understanding this will give you the keys to reclaim both the past and the future.
Remember, who you are.
:)
Wau. Yesh! :)
Quote from: Tragedian synty on 14.05.2013, 14:26:14
Do you have a source for this in the Internet?
Here are three sources published something about Anders Borg's visit to Africa
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/05/towards-a-more-multicolored-sweden/
http://www.document.no/2013/05/nar-sverige-blir-like-farverikt-som-afrika/
http://m.expressen.se/nyheter/afrika-borjar-horas-pa-ett-annat-satt/?partner=www
Quotehttp://m.expressen.se/nyheter/afrika-borjar-horas-pa-ett-annat-satt/?partner=www
- Alla de vackra färgerna man ser på kvinnorna här. På tio års sikt kommer det att se ut så i hela Europa. Hemma är det ju bara svart överallt, det är så avmätta färger hos oss. När våra barn växer upp är det en och en halv till två miljarder människor i Afrika, och vi är fortfarande 500 miljoner. Det är klart att de kommer att vara oerhört normsättande för både mode och smaker.
- Europa kommer bli bättre, mer multikulturellt, fortsätter han.
This is old, swedish Sweden:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7IUk9bh21A :)
Quote from: Svensken on 14.05.2013, 10:14:47
Earlier I did support the moderates, but they are all crazy now. Our finance minister who are moderat newly told us that "Sweden will in the future be just like Africa" and he meant it in a positive way...
I wanted to know more about him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Borg
QuoteAnders Erik Borg (born 11 January 1968) is a Swedish economist and politician, who serves as Minister for Finance in the Swedish government. He is a member of the Moderate Party. His unorthodox appearance, as well as his intellect, have created the persona of a cabinet member "who doesn't fit into the grey, sometimes boring mold of finance ministers."
QuoteAs a teenager, Borg was a libertarian and advocate of drug legalization, on one occasion writing a newspaper article calling for drug decriminalization in Sweden. He has admitted to smoking cannabis in his youth.
QuoteKlas Eklund, senior economist at SEB, said that Borg "is very quick, he reads profusely, he soaks up information like a sponge and he's very receptive, very intelligent. Before he became minister of finance, he was a technocrat, a brilliant technocrat. He was like a volcano, always erupting with new ideas."
QuoteUnlike most of the Moderate Party members of the cabinet, Borg describes himself as a feminist
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Borg
???
Not to mention that it would be a great shame if The Finns shoud save Swedish asses - once again.
More about our party:
Basic Finns:
http://www.perussuomalaiset.fi/
Our newspaper:
http://www.perussuomalaiset.fi/getfile.php?file=2363
http://timosoini.fi/
Timo Soini's speech in 1. May (Första Maj):
http://uutiset.perussuomalaiset.fi/?p=3850
Look at our flag in our 1. May happening:
Our dear Lion head down, up and down!
What a scandal!
http://www.perussuomalaiset.fi/getfile.php?file=2367 :facepalm:
Quote from: acc on 14.05.2013, 17:07:15
Quotehttp://m.expressen.se/nyheter/afrika-borjar-horas-pa-ett-annat-satt/?partner=www
- Alla de vackra färgerna man ser på kvinnorna här. På tio års sikt kommer det att se ut så i hela Europa. Hemma är det ju bara svart överallt, det är så avmätta färger hos oss. När våra barn växer upp är det en och en halv till två miljarder människor i Afrika, och vi är fortfarande 500 miljoner. Det är klart att de kommer att vara oerhört normsättande för både mode och smaker.
- Europa kommer bli bättre, mer multikulturellt, fortsätter han.
??? :o :facepalm:
This is the worst argument for third world immigration I have read. Europe needs African immigration because African ladies know how to wear colours? Seriously?? Is this what we should believe now, that we need illiterate third world people for fashion tips? After the pro-immigration arguments regarding the economy have failed and the working, tax-paying sector of the population is worse off than ever, well, at least we can wear batik skirts in all the colours of the rainbow and feel enriched.
And if only it was about cultural influences like food and fashion and the immigration consisted of women, bringing their vivid style to the streets and dancefloors of Europe, I wouldn't object. I'm not afraid of African women, they have never insulted or harassed me like African or MENA-men tend to do. It's because of the immigrant men that I feel safer wearing muted colors, jeans and sneakers, so I don't attract unwanted attention and am able to run. Multiculture ruts my style.
Why is it that I can name-drop at least a dozen Japanese designers and brands, without effort or interest in fashion/design, but I know zero brands or designers from the whole African continent? Japan has 126 million inhabitants, with a population that is 98,5% Japanese, the remaining 1,5% mostly other, well integrated, Asian. The Japanese prefer muted, neutral and black, they have a very strict immigration policy, they are proud of their culture and intend to keep it, and still, their designs are norm-setting and sell all over the planet. The African continent, with more than 1 billion people, hundreds of ethnicities and cultures and the richest natural resources in the world only has a total GDP of 1,184 trillion $, while the archipelago state with very scarce resources produces 4,638 trillion $ a year.
två kronor eller Sisu idag?
Suomen Sisu?
Mihin se ruotsalainen on taas haihtunut?
Where is Svensken?
Var är Svensken?
>:(
Kaipa se svedupetteri on juhlimassa mm-voittoaan jo näin etukäteen... :facepalm:
Mä euroviisuhuumassa laittelin hänelle eilen parit dingeliviestit, ennenkuin minulle toisaalla selitettiin, mitä tuo sanonta itseasiassa tarkoittaa... :-\
Ja mää luulin, että se tarkottaa vaan jotain iloista fiilistä No, kai sitä voi joku niinkin kuvata... :facepalm:
Juoksin äkkiä poistamaan ne täältä.
Quote from: Micke90 on 19.05.2013, 15:23:31
Mihin se ruotsalainen on taas haihtunut?
Where is Svensken?
Var är Svensken?
>:(
I am here, sorry for not responding in a while.
Sorry about the hockey...
Quote from: Svensken on 20.05.2013, 13:38:03
I am here, sorry for not responding in a while.
Sorry about the hockey...
It's forgiven. :)
Quote from: Taimi on 20.05.2013, 13:39:44
Quote from: Svensken on 20.05.2013, 13:38:03
I am here, sorry for not responding in a while.
Sorry about the hockey...
It's forgiven. :)
... Never. And you know that.
Quote from: Leso on 21.05.2013, 10:29:48
Quote from: Taimi on 20.05.2013, 13:39:44
Quote from: Svensken on 20.05.2013, 13:38:03
I am here, sorry for not responding in a while.
Sorry about the hockey...
It's forgiven. :)
... Never. And you know that.
We got our "Hockey riots" so we get paid back by our "new sweds". I promise loosing in hockey is much less a problem and a pain than loosing whole neighbourhoods to fire, violence and criminal gangs in general.
can you still feel smell the smoke daytime?
Quote from: veikko1980 on 21.05.2013, 11:07:28
can you still feel smell the smoke daytime?
I don't live in Husby but a friend of mine told me it stills smells from the fight. Sweden is on it's way becoming "Apocalypse now".
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning" ;)
Quote from: Svensken on 21.05.2013, 11:44:51
Sweden is on it's way becoming "Apocalypse now".
Could these be the kindlings for the real inferno?
Quote from: Svensken on 21.05.2013, 10:41:27
We got our "Hockey riots" so we get paid back by our "new sweds". I promise loosing in hockey is much less a problem and a pain than loosing whole neighbourhoods to fire, violence and criminal gangs in general.
Losing, dear Svensken, losing. One o.
And now all sweds and finns together, let's sing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNxELGnGiGM
(What would you sweds think, if we'll later called few jolly russian, to drink with us, too?
Only at this forum, of course.)
:roll:
(Mä en oo puhunut lähes 30 vuoteen englantia, joten anteeksi mahd. virheet. Tää käy hyvästä harjoituksesta, kun joudun miettimään oikeaa kielioppia.)
Quote from: Malla on 21.05.2013, 12:02:27
Quote from: Svensken on 21.05.2013, 10:41:27
We got our "Hockey riots" so we get paid back by our "new sweds". I promise loosing in hockey is much less a problem and a pain than loosing whole neighbourhoods to fire, violence and criminal gangs in general.
Losing, dear Svensken, losing. One o.
I am terrible sorry, but I have only been to a swedish school :)
Ett par nysvenskar bara firar den nysvenska våren. Alltså inget allvarligt, move along, there is nothing to see!
Quote from: gloaming on 21.05.2013, 15:23:31
Ett par nysvenskar bara firar den nysvenska våren. Alltså inget allvarligt, move along, there is nothing to see!
So true, you know the way how to think swedish-style :D
Quote from: Svensken on 21.05.2013, 15:33:53
Quote from: gloaming on 21.05.2013, 15:23:31
Ett par nysvenskar bara firar den nysvenska våren. Alltså inget allvarligt, move along, there is nothing to see!
So true, you know the way how to think swedish-style :D
You bet. I know the ways of the arab world, including the new Islamic republic of Swedenistan.
Maybe Sweden could make some money by organising "extreme-tours" for tourists to the suburbs.
Fume filling nasals yet this night(wish)?
Quote from: veikko1980 on 23.05.2013, 22:23:45
Fume filling nasals yet this night(wish)?
They almost burned down a house with many families with children in Ronna, Södertälje. They also destroyed a school in one of the suburbs.
Sweden is burning while our leaders are fiddling... just like the old ones in Rome... fiddling while Rome were burning.
I have said it before so many times, Sweden is sinking of course. The only hope is more burnings and more troubles and fast. Otherwise people will not wake up at all and they will be boiled in this new country.
ya, you are trapped in your own homes, soon you can' get out no more. better get out n do something before you can't get out at all
I almost feel schadenfreude towards the Swedes in this situation as they are drowning in a cesspit they have created themselves but on seconds thoughts I dont as we in Finland are heading for the same direction and the ones in Sweden who have to suffer the consequences of this madness are mostly totally innocent people who never wanted this multiculti-bullshit in the first place.
The politicians who have pushed for this lunacy live themselves in safe comfortable areas unaffected by all this.
Your country, kingdom, is having an unbelievable tragedy.
It touches also us, we can see and we must understand it also here in Finland, that in few days shall everything be altered. Our world is changed.
But we can still believe, be strong, not give in, fight!
We will of course do our best, but the majority of the sweds do not care if their country goes up in flames. As long as the people who care about survival and having a country that works are a minority nothing will be changed in a democracy.
These riots will soon be forgotten and sweds will continue with the death dance...
Quote..the majority of the sweds do not care if their country goes up in flames
Maybe they are thinking that it is not my home, my car, my block, my town.. it's somewhere else. But it's not. It is everywhere, because the mentality which allows this hell to happen is everywhere. And it is called multiculturalism and it is spreading like cancer destroying your freedom, cultural heritage and civilized society. But there will be a day when the Swedes are forced to care, because eventually there will be no place to escape the hell - neither physical or psychological place. That will be the day your history is going to be re-created. Because there is no other choice. Be prepared. Be alert. Be ready. Be proud. Be there.
Quote from: Svensken on 25.05.2013, 22:07:28
We will of course do our best, but the majority of the sweds do not care if their country goes up in flames. As long as the people who care about survival and having a country that works are a minority nothing will be changed in a democracy.
These riots will soon be forgotten and sweds will continue with the death dance...
if it makes you feel youd and consoles you, we are no better than you. Apathy and unwillingness to stand up for our value is our Finnish trademark
Quote from: Svensken on 24.05.2013, 09:17:30
The only hope is more burnings and more troubles and fast. Otherwise people will not wake up at all and they will be boiled in this new country.
I hope the same, as many burnings and other troubles as possible, and all over the Europe. It will be war, it is the only thing that helps.
Svenskan, when will Finland be on fire? We could use your experience to know when to get shelter
Quote from: Svensken on 25.05.2013, 22:07:28
We will of course do our best, but the majority of the sweds do not care if their country goes up in flames. As long as the people who care about survival and having a country that works are a minority nothing will be changed in a democracy.
These riots will soon be forgotten and sweds will continue with the death dance...
So...What do you think, is there behind the riots something else also, example some islam-fanatics who are using this situation and trying to get more influence and more chaos?
Quote from: veikko1980 on 25.05.2013, 23:29:05
Svenskan, when will Finland be on fire? We could use your experience to know when to get shelter
2017 is my guess
Quote from: CaptainNuiva on 25.05.2013, 23:50:10
Quote from: Svensken on 25.05.2013, 22:07:28
We will of course do our best, but the majority of the sweds do not care if their country goes up in flames. As long as the people who care about survival and having a country that works are a minority nothing will be changed in a democracy.
These riots will soon be forgotten and sweds will continue with the death dance...
So...What do you think, is there behind the riots something else also, example some islam-fanatics who are using this situation and trying to get more influence and more chaos?
Only really stupid muslim idiots would support the fires. Smart muslims are just waiting for the demographic bomb to go off and by fertility rate become a serious majority. Stupid muslims do terror, smart muslims get children, many children.
Quote from: Eino P. Keravalta on 25.05.2013, 22:37:44
Quote..the majority of the sweds do not care if their country goes up in flames
Maybe they are thinking that it is not my home, my car, my block, my town.. it's somewhere else. But it's not. It is everywhere, because the mentality which allows this hell to happen is everywhere. And it is called multiculturalism and it is spreading like cancer destroying your freedom, cultural heritage and civilized society. But there will be a day when the Swedes are forced to care, because eventually there will be no place to escape the hell - neither physical or psychological place. That will be the day your history is going to be re-created. Because there is no other choice. Be prepared. Be alert. Be ready. Be proud. Be there.
But by then ethnic sweds will be in a minority and even if all of them vote for Sweden democrates it wont change a thing. Its hard to be proud over being swedish, its a really shitty identity to have I must say.
Any body who wants to trader their Finnishness for some Swedishness please let me know ;)
Quote from: veikko1980 on 25.05.2013, 23:29:05
Svenskan, when will Finland be on fire? We could use your experience to know when to get shelter
When you have between 20-30% immigrants in your country there will be riots too. The best part is that this is happening when things are still OK in economic terms. Most of the immigrants get much social benefits and are still well fed and can still afford a new Iphone and some gangster clothes of a respected brand.
When this is not the case and especially if they would get hungry.... the you will see fire, blood and death.
This is just a small taste of the main course that are down the road.
could you make a summary?
how many burnt
-cars, schools, containers, train-stations, police-stations, cities, policemen...
Quote from: Svensken on 26.05.2013, 09:15:20
But by then ethnic sweds will be in a minority and even if all of them vote for Sweden democrates it wont change a thing.
The situation in Sweden really does not look too bright. Still, continuing riots and burning cars can be a good thing if the original swedes and the integrated part of the immigrated population in some point really wake up and think that "this is too much" and realize that BIG and fast changes in policies and attitudes cannot be avoided if Sweden wants to continue its existence as a sivilized and highly developed country in the future as well. Leftist and too liberal policies can destroy any country in just some decades...
Quote from: Mika on 26.05.2013, 10:14:14
Quote from: Svensken on 26.05.2013, 09:15:20
But by then ethnic sweds will be in a minority and even if all of them vote for Sweden democrates it wont change a thing.
The situation in Sweden really does not look too bright. Still, continuing riots and burning cars can be a good thing if the original swedes and the integrated part of the immigrated population in some point really wake up and think that "this is too much" and realize that BIG and fast changes in policies and attitudes cannot be avoided if Sweden wants to continue its existence as a sivilized and highly developed country in the future as well. Leftist and too liberal policies can destroy any country in just some decades...
The thing is, it doesn't seem to me like they're waking up, but I hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: ateisti on 26.05.2013, 10:52:24
The thing is, it doesn't seem to me like they're waking up, but I hope I'm wrong.
Not yet, but maybe after 2-3 months? Hopefully the boys in the suburbs do not run out of petrol and sticks :P
Quote from: veikko1980 on 26.05.2013, 09:23:57
could you make a summary?
how many burnt
-cars, schools, containers, train-stations, police-stations, cities, policemen...
150 cars had been burned until 24th of May. Now it's
150+(My guess 170-200)
Schools have been partly burned, at least two schools have I heard of.
A big house full of people also burned last night.
No policemen killed but some wounded. This is because the police only have been attacking sweds who tries to stop the immigrants from burning things rather then the immigrants. There have been several threats made on twitter by immigrants that they will kill policemen but until yet no police have been killed
When all this stop there will of course be a better summary of it all.
Many countries are warning their citizens not to travel to Sweden now!
Aamulehti ("The Morning News", in finnish): http://www.aamulehti.fi/Ulkomaat/1194815733270/artikkeli/ulkomailla+varoitetaan+jo+ruotsiin+matkustavia+ihmisia.html
(http://www.aamulehti.fi/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1196374436466&ssbinary=true)
This is not fair in a country, in your Sweden, which wanted to help foreigner people in their troubles.
This is outrageous, ungratitude. Just few ten years ago your country was the most admired country in the world! And now it is burning by the Islamistes! We are really sorry for you, sweds. This is terrible. This is not right. This is not fair. This is a crime. This is awful.
What can you do? Even it could mean a war, I think, all you sweds just must stand up and start to defend our own land. You have rights to do it. Sure, you have rights to do it. Could it ever be worst than it is now?
Quote from: Mika on 26.05.2013, 11:13:33
Quote from: ateisti on 26.05.2013, 10:52:24
The thing is, it doesn't seem to me like they're waking up, but I hope I'm wrong.
Not yet, but maybe after 2-3 months? Hopefully the boys in the suburbs do not run out of petrol and sticks :P
I am sure they will stop. After a while its boring to burn things all the time and there will be less and less things to burn down. I give it at the most some days more, it might even stop tonight.
This will give SD a few more % but it wont change something real. The sweds have to much of a death wish.
The thing you should do is to use this in Finland as a tool telling your countrymen what will happen to you if you do like Sweden.
Do you want to be a sea of fire, rape, assault and death then open your borders and dance the death dance swedish style;)
first immigrants built up your country-then they built it down. Where can they go now and build up something?
Quote from: Taimi on 26.05.2013, 11:25:14
Many countries are warning their citizens not to travel to Sweden now!
Aamulehti ("The Morning News", in finnish): http://www.aamulehti.fi/Ulkomaat/1194815733270/artikkeli/ulkomailla+varoitetaan+jo+ruotsiin+matkustavia+ihmisia.html
(http://www.aamulehti.fi/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1196374436466&ssbinary=true)
This is not fair in a country, in your Sweden, which wanted to help foreigner people in their troubles.
This is outrageous, ungratitude. Just few ten years ago your country was the most admired country in the world! And now it is burning by the Islamistes! We are really sorry for you, sweds. This is terrible. This is not right. This is not fair. This is a crime. This is awful.
What can you do? Even it could mean a war, I think, all you sweds just must stand up and start to defend our own land. You have rights to do it. Sure, you have rights to do it. Could it ever be worst than it is now?
Many of the people who are burning things might have a muslim identity but this is not work of islamists(political islam) stop blaming them for everything. Islamists do things like the murder in England recently or try to kill Lars Vilks.
This is the ganster-youth of Sweden rather than anything that have to do with Islam. Islam is a bad religion but its retarded to blame everything on it. Hardcore violence from the middle east and Africa merged with Swedish secular nihilist values is what this is.
Quote from: Svensken on 26.05.2013, 11:26:17
The thing you should do is to use this in Finland as a tool telling your countrymen what will happen to you if you do like Sweden.
They have been told, many times. However, because the situation is not that bad yet, they keep telling that Finland does not have that kind of problems and we can learn from the mistakes everyone else have done.
As Einstein put it: "Two things are infinite. The universe and the human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe".
Quote from: Svensken on 26.05.2013, 11:32:03Many of the people who are burning things might have a muslim identity but this is not work of islamists(political islam) stop blaming them for everything. Islamists do things like the murder in England recently or try to kill Lars Vilks.
This is the ganster-youth of Sweden rather than anything that have to do with Islam. Islam is a bad religion but its retarded to blame everything on it. Hardcore violence from the middle east and Africa merged with Swedish secular nihilist values is what this is.
I agree with you but only to a certain degree. For sure, these riots are not motivated by religion. But Islam is definitely an integral part of the identity of many of the rioters. Why would they yell "Allah-u-akbar" in some of the video footage from Husby etc. that is circulating the net if that was not the case?
Quote from: gloaming on 26.05.2013, 11:45:59
Quote from: Svensken on 26.05.2013, 11:32:03Many of the people who are burning things might have a muslim identity but this is not work of islamists(political islam) stop blaming them for everything. Islamists do things like the murder in England recently or try to kill Lars Vilks.
This is the ganster-youth of Sweden rather than anything that have to do with Islam. Islam is a bad religion but its retarded to blame everything on it. Hardcore violence from the middle east and Africa merged with Swedish secular nihilist values is what this is.
I agree with you but only to a certain degree. For sure, these riots are not motivated by religion. But Islam is definitely an integral part of the identity of many of the rioters. Why would they yell "Allah-u-akbar" in some of the video footage from Husby etc. that is circulating the net if that was not the case?
might be, but riots are terror and islamic texts are (full of) terror. Might be that certain pigments generate more terror than other pigments do
Quote from: gloaming on 26.05.2013, 11:45:59
Quote from: Svensken on 26.05.2013, 11:32:03Many of the people who are burning things might have a muslim identity but this is not work of islamists(political islam) stop blaming them for everything. Islamists do things like the murder in England recently or try to kill Lars Vilks.
This is the ganster-youth of Sweden rather than anything that have to do with Islam. Islam is a bad religion but its retarded to blame everything on it. Hardcore violence from the middle east and Africa merged with Swedish secular nihilist values is what this is.
I agree with you but only to a certain degree. For sure, these riots are not motivated by religion. But Islam is definitely an integral part of the identity of many of the rioters. Why would they yell "Allah-u-akbar" in some of the video footage from Husby etc. that is circulating the net if that was not the case?
The society split that islam is creating is of course a reason behind the burnings but I would really think that extremely few or any rioters are islamists(political islam).
But it's true what you say about "Allah akbahr", but they would be so extremely stupid to do this. All the political islamist groups in Sweden I know about mainly focus on getting a lot of children and "saying the rights" in public for the stupid sweds.
Quote from: gloaming on 26.05.2013, 11:45:59
For sure, these riots are not motivated by religion. But Islam is definitely an integral part of the identity of many of the rioters. Why would they yell "Allah-u-akbar" in some of the video footage from Husby etc. that is circulating the net if that was not the case?
I believe that many rioters who shout "Allah-u-akhbar" actually mean "Fuck you" because they know, that shouting that phrase (allah-u-akhbar) irritates the police and many swedes who do not like immigrants.
Quote from: veikko1980 on 26.05.2013, 11:49:28
Quote from: gloaming on 26.05.2013, 11:45:59
Quote from: Svensken on 26.05.2013, 11:32:03Many of the people who are burning things might have a muslim identity but this is not work of islamists(political islam) stop blaming them for everything. Islamists do things like the murder in England recently or try to kill Lars Vilks.
This is the ganster-youth of Sweden rather than anything that have to do with Islam. Islam is a bad religion but its retarded to blame everything on it. Hardcore violence from the middle east and Africa merged with Swedish secular nihilist values is what this is.
I agree with you but only to a certain degree. For sure, these riots are not motivated by religion. But Islam is definitely an integral part of the identity of many of the rioters. Why would they yell "Allah-u-akbar" in some of the video footage from Husby etc. that is circulating the net if that was not the case?
might be, but riots are terror and islamic texts are (full of) terror. Might be that certain pigments generate more terror than other pigments do
I recall reading somewhere ''the whole suburb will be fried-Allahu Ahkbar'' that came from an immigrants mouth.
-this could perhaps be a good justification.
4:10
And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen,
and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination.
http://quran.com/4/10
Why don't you Swedes get your thumbs off your asses and defend your country and way of life, btw? I thought these riots would prove to be the tipping point but on the contrary, you are only sinking deeper to self-guilt and self-detestation, and eventually self-destruction. Currently you have but a single factor that according to your academical, political and cultural elite that explains every societal problem: that of the omniscient and almighty white racism. Why-oh-why do you still bow to these idiots? Why don't you just rub it in their face and overthrow them? Clearly they aren't worthy of their position of power and aren't worth a shit any other way either. Your situation pisses me off way more than the Finnish one.
:P
Quote from: gloaming on 26.05.2013, 12:15:27
Why don't you Swedes get your thumbs off your asses and defend your country and way of life, btw? I thought these riots would prove to be the tipping point but on the contrary, you are only sinking deeper to self-guilt and self-detestation, and eventually self-destruction. Currently you have but a single factor that according to your academical, political and cultural elite that explains every societal problem: that of the omniscient and almighty white racism. Why-oh-why do you still bow to these idiots? Why don't you just rub it in their face and overthrow them? Clearly they aren't worthy of their position of power and aren't worth a shit any other way either. Your situation pisses me off way more than the Finnish one.
for the same way as we refuse to do it here. Professor Timo Vihavainen put it well a few years back when introducing his book 'the destruction of the west', the one who is more determined will win eventually. We head down the same dimmified road on political correctness in Finland.
Does it really matter whether the low level thugs see themselves as islamists or not? Although a lot of them are doing this because they are frustrated and they just like to break things, they are also effectively showing the natives who controls those zones now. It may be that some of those suburbs will become real no go zones now that the "youths" have zero respect towards the Swedish authorities. It would also probably mean that in those areas sharia would become the law. Of course, hardcore islamists don't want to cause riots because it might wake people up, but since that isn't happening, this "battle" could be seen as a victory for islam. IMO, actions and results matter, not ideologies and intentions.
Berätta gärna vad som händer i Stockholm. Vad säger folk, hur är läget?
Quote from: Suomi forever on 26.05.2013, 13:49:41
Berätta gärna vad som händer i Stockholm. Vad säger folk, hur är läget?
People are angry and have hard time to understand the "youths". But there is also extreme amounts of political correctness. Many people feel sorry for the unemployed people in the suburbs and blame police and sweds in general.
But there is no "waking up moment". Sweds are quite sound a sleep, but maybe if the fires came closer they might get a little nightmare at least...
This is though only my experience of the situation.
When people really start to attack against the society, also burning properties, it is a civil war.
Quote from: Svensken on 27.05.2013, 13:30:38Many people feel sorry for the unemployed people in the suburbs and blame police and sweds in general.
I think they are partly right. It is mostly to blame swedes. Swedes have elected politicians who are pro immigration (without limitations). So I think it IS after all your own fault. Rioters are to blame to set up the fires but swedes are to blame that they are there to set up the fires. ;)
I do not know if you can blame the Swedes, immigration has been a taboo for years and simply a topic outside discussion. I remember having heard from somewhere that Swedes were negative to immigration in 1990 as the previous year you had the so called strict immigration decision a lá Lucia beslutet.
Somebody opened the gates again with absolutely fatal results. i reckon anyway that the day will come when you really've had enough, hopefully that day dawns soon.
And that's why: we must wake our peoples up!
Peekaboo! It's a morning!
We are cheated. >:(
(Or: some of our politicians have a brain of a chicken. It is not their fault, they are just themselves, but: we voted them).
:facepalm:
we lost it here also
Are the city planners (person planning infra, residenses etc) to blame?
Yesterday ''tighter asylum policy'' today ''no tightenings'' by Prime Minster MR Cash
Li Andersson left who strives for crimes in Sweden thinks that it is the society's fault more or less
Now the cost for the riots is about 60-70 million SEK. http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/notan-for-upploppen-63-miljoner_8213590.svd
Svensken, vad tycker du om den här?
Facket utslöt SD-förtroendevald (http://www.svt.se/nyheter/sverige/facket-utslot-sd-fortroendevald)
:facepalm:
Quote from: Micke90 on 29.05.2013, 15:30:17
Svensken, vad tycker du om den här?
Facket utslöt SD-förtroendevald (http://www.svt.se/nyheter/sverige/facket-utslot-sd-fortroendevald)
:facepalm:
Yes, this is Sweden in normal action. People who does not love mass immigration are being forced to leave the trade union, thats just the way it is. Its hard to have a lot of other jobs to if you have anything to do with SD. I wonder if you could be a police, work for the municipality or be a teacher I am not sure at all. I have read about teachers being fired because of their SD-beliefs.
What do you think, is this they way in Finland too?
Malmö (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0nKZg4u6Eo)
Göteborg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-SowWl_Oyk)
Sweds have a death wish as I said: http://www.friatider.se/efter-kravallerna-satsa-mer-pengar-pa-skolor-och-fritidsgardar
Well, obviously more money is needed as the old ones have been incinerated ;).
Quote from: Rändöm on 30.05.2013, 19:32:34The Finland-Swede elite is Finland´s problem, not Sweden´s.
Den finlandssvenska eliten som både skiter i de svenskspråkiga finländarnas rejäla problem och importerar blatteproblem i Finland är Finlands sak. Men det kriminella blatteproblemet är gemensamt, tyvärr och för evigt. Det säger sossarna och den typen och de har makten. Tyvärr. Och för evigt.
I think I understand why you call the Stockholm-syndrom, Stockholmsyndrom. This must be so exceptional in Sweden, how
can they feel sorry for these gangsters who destroy their lives, their properties, their cars, and houses.
Jag tror att svensken överlag har ett mycket allvarligt problem-ingen självbefarelsedrift. That will be a very very dangerous situation.
Efter kriget hade vi i alla fall Sverige som inte attackerade oss, ska vi nu bli tvungna att bli vaksamma för hotet från väst.
Trodde inte den dagen skulle komma, när man är mera oroad vad som händer i Sverige än vad som händer i RYssland........
Quote from: Suomi forever on 30.05.2013, 22:23:44
I think I understand why you call the Stockholm-syndrom, Stockholmsyndrom. This must be so exceptional in Sweden, how
can they feel sorry for these gangsters who destroy their lives, their properties, their cars, and houses.
Jag tror att svensken överlag har ett mycket allvarligt problem-ingen självbefarelsedrift. That will be a very very dangerous situation.
Efter kriget hade vi i alla fall Sverige som inte attackerade oss, ska vi nu bli tvungna att bli vaksamma för hotet från väst.
Trodde inte den dagen skulle komma, när man är mera oroad vad som händer i Sverige än vad som händer i RYssland........
The finnish lion will soon need a dagger in the back hand to protect against Sweden or maybe it has to turn and have it back against Russia. Sweden is really going bad... sorry for being so blue... but its simply true.
Hur den svenska migrationen egentligen fungerar?Insider reportage från Migrationsverket i Sverige http://meritwager.wordpress.com/ (http://meritwager.wordpress.com/)läsvärda texter av en vet vad som hon talar om!
Quote from: Suomi forever on 30.05.2013, 22:23:44
I think I understand why you call the Stockholm-syndrom, Stockholmsyndrom. This must be so exceptional in Sweden, how
can they feel sorry for these gangsters who destroy their lives, their properties, their cars, and houses.
The americans have a good medicine for that. Just look at downtown Detroit. If the apes want to live in broken down houses and burned down neighbourhood they should be allowed to do so. It is a waste of tax-payers money to fix everything these idiots destroy. Just leave it as it is.
Quote from: Mika on 01.06.2013, 13:43:55
Quote from: Suomi forever on 30.05.2013, 22:23:44
I think I understand why you call the Stockholm-syndrom, Stockholmsyndrom. This must be so exceptional in Sweden, how
can they feel sorry for these gangsters who destroy their lives, their properties, their cars, and houses.
The americans have a good medicine for that. Just look at downtown Detroit. If the apes want to live in broken down houses and burned down neighbourhood they should be allowed to do so. It is a waste of tax-payers money to fix everything these idiots destroy. Just leave it as it is.
I profoundly agree with this latter comment.
Sweden will in many ways look like Detroit in the future, when we an no longer afford to rebuild:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Fisher_Body_plant_21_-_Detroit_Michigan.jpg
http://www.calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Detroit-house.jpg
http://sometimesinteresting.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/ds-2.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2009/reliques/reliques_01.jpg
Quote from: Svensken on 02.06.2013, 07:27:42
Sweden will in many ways look like Detroit in the future, when we an no longer afford to rebuild:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Fisher_Body_plant_21_-_Detroit_Michigan.jpg
http://www.calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Detroit-house.jpg
http://sometimesinteresting.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/ds-2.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2009/reliques/reliques_01.jpg
Svensen, question for you please: I was reading "Reader's digest" the other day, and there was an article about imigration in Malmö. The article itself was neutral but the comments of Swedish politicians interviewed, were... awakening to say the least. Politicians told about the problems they see but commented at the end, "but we want to allow everybody to come in to the country, we are permissive".
Do you knwo or can you explain, WHY is it so important for them to be permissive? Because of "what would people think"? Our politicians are suffering from same illness, especially in Helsinki area....
Hi! Where are you? :)
What do you think about the swedish royal wedding last week?
I liked it. I much respect Queen Silvia, also Princess Victoria and her family.
Madde was very beautiful and the wedding was modest and beautiful, too.
What do you think about monarchy? I admire the monarchy, it is so dignified. I think, soon, less than in 100 years, the world will lose this kind of societies. Only republics and elsewhere tyranny. Perhaps the world will be "better", but also much grayer.
100 years ago also Finland was under a tsarist monarchy, we got the independence in the year 1917. I think, our last tsaries were quite good persons. I much respect and admire the Romanovs, the glorious Tsar family.
(http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/romanovs/lastphoto1.jpg) Tsar Nikolai II and his family
Do you, Svensken, have any new information about this? Husband or racist?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23761737
In Finland swedishspeaking journalists are also wearing headscarves :D Finnishspeaking are racists or they are wearing headscarves tomorrow.
http://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2013/08/21/radiohuset-bar-huvudduk
(http://static.yle.fi/ims/imssv/2013/34/14086852147d324da93/14086852147d324da93_1.jpg)
QuoteRadiohusets vill genom att bära huvudduk visa sin solidaritet med dem som utsätts för hatbrott på grund av tro eller klädsel.
Other funny multicultural news?
Quote from: Emo on 22.08.2013, 00:20:25
Do you, Svensken, have any new information about this? Husband or racist?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23761737
In Finland swedishspeaking journalists are also wearing headscarves :D Finnishspeaking are racists or they are wearing headscarves tomorrow.
http://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2013/08/21/radiohuset-bar-huvudduk
(http://static.yle.fi/ims/imssv/2013/34/14086852147d324da93/14086852147d324da93_1.jpg)
QuoteRadiohusets vill genom att bära huvudduk visa sin solidaritet med dem som utsätts för hatbrott på grund av tro eller klädsel.
Other funny multicultural news?
So the cure for racism is to put on a headscarf? Scarf=non-racist
Taitaa kyseinen ruotsalainen olla ihan aito huijari. Tyypin asetuksissa näkyy kielipaketin kohdalla "Finnish". Ei haaskata häneen enenpää aikaa. >:(
Quote from: Micke90 on 27.08.2013, 00:32:30
Taitaa kyseinen ruotsalainen olla ihan aito huijari. Tyypin asetuksissa näkyy kielipaketin kohdalla "Finnish". Ei haaskata häneen enenpää aikaa. >:(
No ei kai tuo mitään vielä todista? Olihan hänellä suomalainen kaveri, joka tänne kehoitti kirjoittamaan.
Sitäpaitsi en tiedä mitään kielipaketeista... mistä näen mitä minulla mahtaa olla?
Quote from: Emo on 28.08.2013, 17:08:39
Quote from: Micke90 on 27.08.2013, 00:32:30
Taitaa kyseinen ruotsalainen olla ihan aito huijari. Tyypin asetuksissa näkyy kielipaketin kohdalla "Finnish". Ei haaskata häneen enenpää aikaa. >:(
No ei kai tuo mitään vielä todista? Olihan hänellä suomalainen kaveri, joka tänne kehoitti kirjoittamaan.
Sitäpaitsi en tiedä mitään kielipaketeista... mistä näen mitä minulla mahtaa olla?
Sulla on "Finnish", lukee tuolla profiili-sivulla.
Quote from: suvisnuiva on 28.08.2013, 17:10:51
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Sulla on "Finnish", lukee tuolla profiili-sivulla.
Aijaajoojoo... niinkuin tietokone ex-pertit tapasivat Ugrilampaissa sanoa... kas kun en ole aiemmin huomannut.
En kuitenkaan halua antaa itsestäni kuvaa hassahtaneena tanttana, toivottavasti kukaan ei ajattele minusta niin :-\
Lukeeko siinä kellään mitään muuta kuin finnish? Finnish taitaa tulla automaattisesti rekisteröitymisen yhteydessä?
Quote from: Emo on 28.08.2013, 17:15:11
Quote from: suvisnuiva on 28.08.2013, 17:10:51
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Sulla on "Finnish", lukee tuolla profiili-sivulla.
Aijaajoojoo... niinkuin tietokone ex-pertit tapasivat Ugrilampaissa sanoa... kas kun en ole aiemmin huomannut.
En kuitenkaan halua antaa itsestäni kuvaa hassahtaneena tanttana, toivottavasti kukaan ei ajattele minusta niin :-\
Lukeeko siinä kellään mitään muuta kuin finnish? Finnish taitaa tulla automaattisesti rekisteröitymisen yhteydessä?
Taidamme kaikki olla finnishejä. :o
Quote from: suvisnuiva on 28.08.2013, 17:16:18
Taidamme kaikki olla finnishejä. :o
Se selittää sen, miksi Svenskenilläkin on finnish. Se ilmeisesti tulee automaattisesti. Onhan täällä ihmisiä joilla voisi olla suomen lisäksi ranska tai espanja, mutta ei näytä profiileissa olevan.
Eli Svenskenin maine puhdistettu, ellei lisätodisteita ilmaannu.
Hei, sinä hassahtanut tantta!
Svenskeniä ei ole kiinnostanut kommentoida huivikaustia ollenkaan.
Ei, vaikka hällä on oma ketju kuin Katarinan kammari konsanaan.
Kyse ei ole siitä, ettäkö ruotsalainen mocukoneisto olisi ottanut hänet hampaisiinsa ja iskenyt kivikirveellä koneensa mäsäksi.
Olen siis samaa mieltä Micke90n kanssa.
En ole vakuuttunut vieläkään.
Miksi hän sitten ylipäätänsä ollenkaan olisi tänne nuivia kirjoitellut, jos hän on itsekin :flowerhat: ? Tai huivipää.
Mutuni on, ettei tyyppi ole kukkis eikä huivis, eikä ainakaan nuiva.
Kollektiivi mahdollisesti. Perimmäisenä teemanaan jokin, jota en osaa arvata.
Mutta tää on vaan mun mielipide ja mutu.
Mielenkiintoista. Tuskin on Supo tai Säpokaan, mitä järkeä meitä on tulla Ask Svensken-ketjuun erikseen haastattelemaan kun meidän mielipiteemme ovat netissä julki jo muutenkin?
Quote from: Emo on 28.08.2013, 18:06:45
Mielenkiintoista. Tuskin on Supo tai Säpokaan, mitä järkeä meitä on tulla Ask Svensken-ketjuun erikseen haastattelemaan kun meidän mielipiteemme ovat netissä julki jo muutenkin?
Islam has come and therefore Säpo is gone, eiks mennyt oikein
Kuten koetin sanoa, ei aavistustakaan.
Tai aavistusta ja aavistusta.
Ehkä joku halusi mitata pakkoruotsin käyttöastetta ja -taitoa sameimmissa vesissä syvimmällä uivien kansalaisten keskuudessa?
Quote from: Leso on 28.08.2013, 18:15:28
Ehkä joku halusi mitata pakkoruotsin käyttöastetta ja -taitoa sameimmissa vesissä syvimmällä uivien kansalaisten keskuudessa?
Ihan kohtalainen hypoteesi, mutta mitä sanot siihen että Svensken on kirjoittanut melkein kaikki viestinsä englanniksi?
Pyydän keskustelijoita miettimään sellaisiakin mahdollisuuksia, että Svenskenillä on muita kiireitä tai että hän on omaa elämäänsä eläessään unohtanut käydä täällä.
On hyvä ja tavaa Svenskenin profiilia.
Emo esitti huivikaustikysymyksen 22.8.
Svensken oli viimeksi paikalla 25.8.
Paitsi että nyt koko profiili on kadonnut.
???
Tarkennus: en löydä profiilia jäsenlistauksesta.
Voihan olla, etten osaa aakkosia ja siten etsiä oikein.
Tarkennus #2: Svenskenin viimeinen läsnäolo todistuu klikkaamalla aloitusviestiä kohdalla Svensken.
Quote from: Leso on 28.08.2013, 19:55:46
On hyvä ja tavaa Svenskenin profiilia.
Emo esitti huivikaustikysymyksen 22.8.
Svensken oli viimeksi paikalla 25.8.
Onko tuossa jotain ristiriidassa sen kanssa että Svenskenillä on muita kiireitä? Nopea vilkaisu forumille vaatii vähemmän aikaa kuin kysymyksiin vastaaminen.
Toki sekin on mahdollista että Svensken on kyllästynyt kirjoittelemaan tänne.
Quote from: Leso on 28.08.2013, 19:55:46
Paitsi että nyt koko profiili on kadonnut.
Tarkennus: en löydä profiilia jäsenlistauksesta.
Tarkennus #2: Svenskenin viimeinen läsnäolo todistuu klikkaamalla aloitusviestiä kohdalla Svensken.
Ei löydy ei. Veikkaan että Svensken on poistattanut tunnuksensa forumilta.
EDIT: jonninjoutavaa teknistä spekulointia poistettu.
No joo. Olihan Svenken alunperinkin perin haluton kirjoittelemaan tänne.
Miksiköhän siten edes kirjoitti alunperin?
Quote from: Emo on 28.08.2013, 17:08:39
No ei kai tuo mitään vielä todista? Olihan hänellä suomalainen kaveri, joka tänne kehoitti kirjoittamaan.
Sitäpaitsi en tiedä mitään kielipaketeista... mistä näen mitä minulla mahtaa olla?
Luulisi kuitenkin, ettei ruotsalainen pystyisi käyttämään suomenkielistä Hommaa. Kielen voi itse valita. Tältä oma profiilini näyttää eri kielillä. Luulisi, että kyseinen "ruotsalainen" käyttäisi Hommaa joko in English tai på svenska.
Mä en ala. Onko meillä juudas joukossamme?
Eikö kaikkiin voikkaan luottaa?
Jumpelinjumpelinjumpeli! :-[
Quote from: Marija on 29.08.2013, 16:36:20
Mä en ala. Onko meillä juudas joukossamme?
Eikö kaikkiin voikkaan luottaa?
Jumpelinjumpelinjumpeli! :-[
Ei näillä perusteilla voi muuta sanoa kuin että Svensken otti loparit Hommalta. Siitä mikä tai kuka hän oli minulla ei ole tietoa, mutta uskon hänen olleen se mikä hän sanoi olevansa. Miksipä muutakaan?
Jos svenski on vaikka kuollut? Voihan niinkin olla. Autokolari, tai prätkäonnettomuus, tai juna suistui kiskoilta, tai arapiterroristi kaappasi lentokoneen ja svenski yritti pelastaa Ruotsin ja veisasi viimeksi asennossa seisten du gamla, du friia ja arapiterroristi ampui sen!!!!! :facepalm:
Quote from: Leso on 28.08.2013, 19:55:46
On hyvä ja tavaa Svenskenin profiilia.
Emo esitti huivikaustikysymyksen 22.8.
Svensken oli viimeksi paikalla 25.8.
Paitsi että nyt koko profiili on kadonnut.
Ei ole.http://hommaforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11660
Anteeksi vaan, mutta kaikilla salapoliiseilla eivät aikaisemmat tutkimuksetkaan ole menneet ihan nappiin...
Hello svensken, if you're reading this: there seemed to be need for your account to be reactivated. This is now done. Try to sign in, if you wish.
Quote from: Marija on 29.08.2013, 16:36:20
Mä en ala. Onko meillä juudas joukossamme?
Eikö kaikkiin voikkaan luottaa?
Jumpelinjumpelinjumpeli! :-[
Tervetuloa joukkoon jahtaamaan juuttaita, Marija, neljä viestiä ;) :roll: :D
Quote from: Miniluv on 29.08.2013, 22:30:12
Tervetuloa joukkoon jahtaamaan juuttaita, Marija, neljä viestiä ;) :roll: :D
Pännää ny samointeoin Miniluv. Jookos?
Nyt jäi takaraivoon epäilys, että svenski olikin SÄPOn miehiä, vaikka toisaalta... hän vaikutti ihan ihmiseltä.
SÄPOhan muutoin seuraa kaikkea nettiliikennettä niin etteivät muut vakoojat ole sekaan mahtua. Ja myyvät sitten saamansa tiedot eniten tarjoavalle. Juudakset. Ilkeät ruåttalaiset! (Potkaisen!) >:(
Quote from: Marija on 30.08.2013, 12:49:29
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SÄPOhan muutoin seuraa kaikkea nettiliikennettä niin etteivät muut vakoojat ole sekaan mahtua. Ja myyvät sitten saamansa tiedot eniten tarjoavalle.
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Aivan sama vaikka Hommalle rekisteröityisi itse Pelsepuupi, täältä sekin saa oikeaa tietoa uskonfaktoilla höystettynä!
Quote from: Miniluv on 29.08.2013, 22:28:38
Quote from: Leso on 28.08.2013, 19:55:46
On hyvä ja tavaa Svenskenin profiilia.
Emo esitti huivikaustikysymyksen 22.8.
Svensken oli viimeksi paikalla 25.8.
Paitsi että nyt koko profiili on kadonnut.
Ei ole.
http://hommaforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11660
Anteeksi vaan, mutta kaikilla salapoliiseilla eivät aikaisemmat tutkimuksetkaan ole menneet ihan nappiin...
No enpä löytänyt jäsenluettelosta. Kuten myös ilmaisin, saattaahan olla, etten hallitse aakkosia.
PS. Ilmaisin myös, että Svenskenin läsnäolo ilmenee nimimerkkiä klikkaamalla...
Hän kävi morjestamassa samanmielisiä naapurimaan nuivalla sivustolla mutta siinä se. Koska hän ei osaa kieltämme niin pitempiaikainen oleskelu tällä saitilla olisi ollut turhaa.
Svensken Vierasmaalainen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBWsYTBMVV8 :-*