Ask Svensken

[wannabe]

Hejsan Svensken, nice having you here and thanks for all the information you've provided!

It is unfortunate, but to me the only change for Swedes to open their eyes is war. A big and profound one, where every family tastes famine and loss of best sons. Hate and blood is the only fuel of resistance. Swedes still have hope as long as the army & police is under rule of the Swedes. One scenario is the divide to North and South Sweden. The immigrant population is formed out from many ethnic and religious groups, so no central intelligence is not expected to appear to present them all. The south will plunge into anarchy and chaos overtime.

It just takes one CAT 5 depression and collapse of EU to trigger on this down spiral unrest. Finns have nickname "the magic wall" for the ATM machines when welfare money is withdrawn. Money coming out of nowhere with no payback need. ATM's are actually the peace keepers of the West. Once those run dry we are in trouble and on our reserves. Immigrants don't have any so they are after ours and they'll use any means to get their share.         

In Lebanon, the Moslems gained equal numbers with the Christians in the 1970's. The result was a civil war, one consequence of which was the splitting of the armed forces between the Christians and the Moslems. With Israel's help, the Christians were able to defend themselves and their living area for about 25 years until final capitulation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_Army

A book written by a young Christian woman from Marjayoun, describes how young Christian men from her village went to military bases to retrieve tanks for themselves and succeeded in it. Moslems elsewhere in Lebanon did the same. At this point, the Lebanese military already had a large Moslem representation. Which brings me to the point that even though the Swedish military is still in the hands of the Swedes (if I understood correctly), should it start breaking up, who would wind up controlling it, and what would the consequences be?

Edith: numero korjattu

[Marko Parkkola]

Just a side note. I haven't followed this thread after people started writing swedish. I can't understand a fricking word in swedish even though I "studied" swedish in school for years. Now I see we are back in english and I can follow this.

Yes, this was language politic statement

[crissaegrim]

When there will be a civil war, at least in Finland WE have the army and the police force. By 'we' I mean non-muslims. This should mean a great deal and it would be us (the government) against them (the rebels). This is the situation so far, don't know if it'll change. A cop can't have a criminal register, so that rules out many of them trying to become cops  . And, I don't think many muslims go to army either in here.

How is it in there? Have the muslims so far started to infiltrate the army and/or the police force?

[Svensken]

Hejsan Svensken, nice having you here and thanks for all the information you've provided!

It is unfortunate, but to me the only change for Swedes to open their eyes is war. A big and profound one, where every family tastes famine and loss of best sons. Hate and blood is the only fuel of resistance. Swedes still have hope as long as the army & police is under rule of the Swedes. One scenario is the divide to North and South Sweden. The immigrant population is formed out from many ethnic and religious groups, so no central intelligence is not expected to appear to present them all. The south will plunge into anarchy and chaos overtime.

It just takes one CAT 5 depression and collapse of EU to trigger on this down spiral unrest. Finns have nickname "the magic wall" for the ATM machines when welfare money is withdrawn. Money coming out of nowhere with no payback need. ATM's are actually the peace keepers of the West. Once those run dry we are in trouble and on our reserves. Immigrants don't have any so they are after ours and they'll use any means to get their share.         

In Lebanon, the Moslems gained equal numbers with the Christians in the 1970's. The result was a civil war, one consequence of which was the splitting of the armed forces between the Christians and the Moslems. With Israel's help, the Christians were able to defend themselves and their living area for about 15 years until final capitulation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_Army

A book written by a young Christian woman from Marjayoun, describes how young Christian men from her village went to military bases to retrieve tanks for themselves and succeeded in it. Moslems elsewhere in Lebanon did the same. At this point, the Lebanese military already had a large Moslem representation. Which brings me to the point that even though the Swedish military is still in the hands of the Swedes (if I understood correctly), should it start breaking up, who would wind up controlling it, and what would the consequences be?

The state and military are doing their best to get more immigrants in the army. (http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/forsvaret-lockar-unga-med-lumparliv?rm=print and http://www.friatider.se/militaren-vill-ha-fler-med-utomeuropeisk-bakgrund)

An armed conflict in Sweden I think would be possible (if ever which I doubt) in the far future and then its very hard to say who would be able to "get the guns" so to say. But while the rest of society falls in complexity and quality so would also the military and it's protection of it's installations. I know from friends who have worked or have relatives who works in the army that the state today is horrible.

There are said to be many incidents every year with obvious russian agents taking photos and investigating military areas and the sweds know it but they do nothing about it. I dont think that the russians today are the big enemy but if the army is so sleepy when it comes to one potential enemy why would they care when our own jihad people come by.

Or when I think about it I think the army would care, they would try to employ them and give them access to the weaponry, otherwise the army would be islamofobic and that is something the swedish army would never be. 

[Svensken]

I've been thinking, when there will be a civil war, at least in Finland WE have the army and the police force. By 'we' I mean non-muslims. This should mean a great deal and it would be us (the government) against them (the rebels). This is the situation so far, don't know if it'll change. A cop can't have a criminal register, so that rules out many of them trying to become cops  . And, I don't think many muslims go to army either in here.

How is it in there? Have the muslims so far started to infiltrate the army and/or the police force?

I just answered this concerning the military but the police is the same. This is they have targeted advertising for the groups they want(http://www.friatider.se/polisen-vi-soker-dig-som-inte-ar-svensk).

The Police in Sweden have even lowered their demands on new students to make it more attractive to immigrants. One thing they took away was the demand to speak good swedish.

[Svensken]

Just a side note. I haven't followed this thread after people started writing swedish. I can't understand a fricking word in swedish even though I "studied" swedish in school for years. Now I see we are back in english and I can follow this.

Yes, this was language politic statement

Sorry I answered some in swedish in the beginning, I know the language issue is a sensitive subject in Finland and I then wanted to show my respect for you by only speaking in english.

I think initially many people who wrote to me in swedish did this to make sure I did actually speak swedish and was not a finnish troll here to make fun of sweds.

[Tunkki]

Va konstigt, Svensken kommer inte ihåg Hemvärnet.

[Spesialisti]

Still in case of Finland, Russia must be always considered as the first and most dangerous aggressor. If Europe and especially Nordics will fall into chaos, Russia will absolutely take it's chance on Finland and Baltic states, those are so vulnerable if there is no support from other parties.   

By the way, I find flashback.org quite disturbing in that sense that there are long discussion threads for apparent junkies; use of drugs, also for hard drugs and misuse of medication to get high. In Homma we have only thread for "what's your favorite drink.." Well, Flashback.org seems to be a general discussion forum of just about any subject. Homma is only focused on criticism of immigration policies and multiculturalism.

[alussaolisana]

Svensken, we dont hate Swedish lanquage, we hate the politics about it here. I asked people to write in English only because its a familiar lanquage to almost all. We all have watched Pippi and Emil and listened to Kent, so in general I think we find Swedish lanquage very positive.

[Miniluv]

I think use of English is the most practical solution.

[Suomi2050]

What do you think of Malmö?

[Emo]

I think initially many people who wrote to me in swedish did this to make sure I did actually speak swedish and was not a finnish troll here to make fun of sweds.

No no no... I wrote to you på svenska because I wanted to be polite to you 

[Svensken]

What do you think of Malmö?

Malmö is a very bad place and it's only getting worse. This fall it has been a little calmer then usual but this is because big parts of the whole police in the south of Sweden has been bound to Malmö. This is planned to end by the new year. Malmö is not really a part of Sweden any more, but which parts are today really...

If you want to see the future, visit Malmö, walk through Rosengård. To be called "Svennejävel" is to be expected.

[Svensken]

Still in case of Finland, Russia must be always considered as the first and most dangerous aggressor. If Europe and especially Nordics will fall into chaos, Russia will absolutely take it's chance on Finland and Baltic states, those are so vulnerable if there is no support from other parties.   

By the way, I find flashback.org quite disturbing in that sense that there are long discussion threads for apparent junkies; use of drugs, also for hard drugs and misuse of medication to get high. In Homma we have only thread for "what's your favorite drink.." Well, Flashback.org seems to be a general discussion forum of just about any subject. Homma is only focused on criticism of immigration policies and multiculturalism.

Flashback has many strange and bad sides, but that is freedom of expression...
Many young people in Sweden does drugs and if you have to live in Sweden it's not strange to understand why this helps you go on.
I agree with you but the main discussion of immigration is done on flashback.

[Svensken]

Concerning the army they just told on the news that the Swedish army is in so bad shape that we could not even receive military help if we needed to (http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=5389825). This is a quite good example of why our military is completely scraped. A general said recently like this: "We would not even be able to defend our own parking lots".

Oh good I love this country... NOT!   

[Marko M]

Immigrant scumbag in Malmö.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8XRpxxPOk

[Svensken]

Immigrant scumbag in Malmö.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8XRpxxPOk

The well known "Laserturken", he was even invited to the radio and TV I think. He is a nice B-celebrity here now days. People like him will in i not distant future populate the whole country.

[J. Lannan haamu]

Svensken,

I have a bit different sort of multicultural question about the current Swedish sociological thinking. And by the way, the question when the original Finnish people and (other) Scandinavian natives are having enough of this bullshit, has also appeared in the Forum. And it should be discussed even more thoroughly.

I had a good talk with my relatives and other Finnis-Swedish people about how the Swedes perceive 'us'. I know that this relates to the point when some Finnish people are curious of what the other people think about us, but that is already an old story and I'm hoping it is vanishing more and more. When I was working there, it turned out that most Finns were valued among that sort of 'Blue-collar' jobs, as it is often the case in Oslo too. And since there are so many Finnish people working in construction or related work there, in some groups the place is called 'lilla Finland'. Correct me if I'm wrong in that argument.

However, recently in one discussion some Finnish people who had stayed many years in Stockholm were telling me that there is a huge socio-cultural bomb and it has already begun. They actually said that the collapse has started. Not one person but several in different ages mentioned about this, but it seemed many people did not have the courage to discuss about their preferences. I think at least in Finland there are a lot of people who do not know about the cultural values of different ethnic groups and the way they relate to power, feminism vs. masculinity, ethics and morals etc. BUt I don't know the average people in Sweden have already started to understand these or do they even question them when they hear about the multicultural 'incidents'.

Again, they mentioned that a lot of Swedish people are not interested in Finland in any or many ways. So my question is, what is culturally hip and pop now over there? Besides Thailand, is it Africa, new-age Nepal, etc.?

And maybe this has already been answered here but if not: which group of people in Sweden still identify as 'native Scandinavians' and are fed up with the current immigration phenomenon? I would assume that there are relatively many neo-green-leftish young people who are in many ways religious with the idea of 'global social responsibility'. Not that there is anything wrong with that ideology of responsibility, but most of these who speak and supposingly act towards it, seem to be high as kite without any concept of understanding of how much damage their actions are doing in social, cultural, environmental or econmical terms.

Not to speak for any other, but at least to my mind there are a lot of environmentally aware and proactive people here, who see beyond the current green-valueism which itself as phenomenon has fishy purposes and objectives that are based on unethical thinking. In here, I became across with the slogan said by Winston Churchill (was it even that cat?), "at the age of 20 if you're not a liberal, you have no heart. At the age of 40 if you're not a conservative, you have no brain". Seldom have flashbacks been so clear...

It would be nice to hear a few thoughts on how you perceive the current Swedish cultural thinking about us, Europe, AFrica, Asia...or even one of those .

[Emo]

If you want to see the future, visit Malmö, walk through Rosengård. To be called "Svennejävel" is to be expected.

Svennejävel!?      What an insult!      Vi är finnjävlar!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi5wKs_CYgM

Varför det påstås att finnarna är tysta på alla språk (talar ingenting) och är rädda för språkfel ?  Pojkarna ju talar svenska på filmen!

[Svensken]

Svensken,

I have a bit different sort of multicultural question about the current Swedish sociological thinking. And by the way, the question when the original Finnish people and (other) Scandinavian natives are having enough of this bullshit, has also appeared in the Forum. And it should be discussed even more thoroughly.

I had a good talk with my relatives and other Finnis-Swedish people about how the Swedes perceive 'us'. I know that this relates to the point when some Finnish people are curious of what the other people think about us, but that is already an old story and I'm hoping it is vanishing more and more. When I was working there, it turned out that most Finns were valued among that sort of 'Blue-collar' jobs, as it is often the case in Oslo too. And since there are so many Finnish people working in construction or related work there, in some groups the place is called 'lilla Finland'. Correct me if I'm wrong in that argument.

However, recently in one discussion some Finnish people who had stayed many years in Stockholm were telling me that there is a huge socio-cultural bomb and it has already begun. They actually said that the collapse has started. Not one person but several in different ages mentioned about this, but it seemed many people did not have the courage to discuss about their preferences. I think at least in Finland there are a lot of people who do not know about the cultural values of different ethnic groups and the way they relate to power, feminism vs. masculinity, ethics and morals etc. BUt I don't know the average people in Sweden have already started to understand these or do they even question them when they hear about the multicultural 'incidents'.

Again, they mentioned that a lot of Swedish people are not interested in Finland in any or many ways. So my question is, what is culturally hip and pop now over there? Besides Thailand, is it Africa, new-age Nepal, etc.?

And maybe this has already been answered here but if not: which group of people in Sweden still identify as 'native Scandinavians' and are fed up with the current immigration phenomenon? I would assume that there are relatively many neo-green-leftish young people who are in many ways religious with the idea of 'global social responsibility'. Not that there is anything wrong with that ideology of responsibility, but most of these who speak and supposingly act towards it, seem to be high as kite without any concept of understanding of how much damage their actions are doing in social, cultural, environmental or econmical terms.

Not to speak for any other, but at least to my mind there are a lot of environmentally aware and proactive people here, who see beyond the current green-valueism which itself as phenomenon has fishy purposes and objectives that are based on unethical thinking. In here, I became across with the slogan said by Winston Churchill (was it even that cat?), "at the age of 20 if you're not a liberal, you have no heart. At the age of 40 if you're not a conservative, you have no brain". Seldom have flashbacks been so clear...

It would be nice to hear a few thoughts on how you perceive the current Swedish cultural thinking about us, Europe, AFrica, Asia...or even one of those .

Did you ask for if there is a place called "Lilla Finland"? If this was the case it's true. There is such a place(http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=4165&grupp=18290%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&artikel=5292599)

Thanks for your very interesting questions, if I misunderstand something just feel free to correct me.

There are some knowledge about other cultures in Sweden but quite little. Sweds very seldom hangs out with the "new sweds" and if they do they never discuss values or politics so they never get the understanding of the many times extreme gaps that exists between the different groups.

Sweds know very little about Finland. They in general know that there are something with the war, knives, alcohol and sauna. The interest to know more is very little or non existing. What I have understood as cool and hip for the moment is as ever to travel. Sweds are obsessed with travelling. If you are young and cool south america or east europe is the place to go right now.  In relations to other cultures China is getting more cool and more and more students are studying chinese. Africa is always cool, they are perceived to be so happy and easy going. There have been some celebrities adopting from Africa recently. Some years ago there was some parents that tried to make it a hype to adopt HIV-infected children but I don't know how spread it became.

When it comes to religion some form of mild spiritism and atheism is the big things. The main ideology of helping the rest of the world, promoting the perspective of the minority(might it be sexual, ethical or religiously) has transformed into a fate also. Some people are also believing that doing less harm to nature is heavenly. They never care for the bigger picture(for example: if there is any chance of lessening the CO2 emissions) but they let this notion of doing good steer their life. They don't fly, buy hybrid cars and buy products with other markings. So you are very right in your thoughts about the political neo-green/left youth.

The people who are feed up(and hated for it in media) is the young swedish male. They have seen their sex being demoted by the radical feminists. They have seen their job opportunities gone away. For example the "Instegsjobb" the state pays 80% of the immigrants salary so they are very searched for by employers. They are the ones who have been beaten up by immigrants and that feels they have been betrayed. This group of people still see them selves as swedes and don't get why they should act like little girls and happily get taken over by the "New Sweds".

I have been writing this before, but Sweden is a extremely polarized society politicly and the two poles can barely speak to each other. Where the one will scream "Racist! Fascist!" the other scream "PC-idiot!, Antiswedish!". The polarization are though at the biggest inside the ethical swedish group. Immigrants can in general discuss immigration and other issues in a much freer and more diverse way.   

[Emo]

^ I have exactly this picture about swedes! They like to travel, like easy life, don't know much about other cultures and are not interested in their eastern  neighbour Finland at all, and occultism/atheism is the thing in Sweden at the moment.

[Suomi2050]

What do you think Sweden will look like in 2030-2050?

[Svensken]

^ I have exactly this picture about swedes! They like to travel, like easy life, don't know much about other cultures and are not interested in their eastern  neighbour Finland at all, and occultism/atheism is the thing in Sweden at the moment.

I am happy that my description actually goes together with what other people think to. I can not say that I know these things for sure but I do my very best to describe Sweden as I have come to see it. Much of what I write stems from many peoples opinions and statement that I have examined during the years.

[Svensken]

What do you think Sweden will look like in 2030-2050?

2030 sweds will surely be in minority in Sweden(if nothing extremely radical happens). I think that in 2050 there will be three factions Ethnic sweds, radicalised through the decades of horrors, muslims and brutal gangsters. There will be even more murders, rape and killings than there is today. The welfare state would be dead. More people will also be muslim and the organized crime syndicates will control much more than they do today.

The best thing that could happen is if the Sweds decided for a special part of Sweden and moved there and broke loose to form a new country. Then the muslims and gangsters could fight between them selves for the other parts.

[J. Lannan haamu]

Svensken,

To your last answer where you gave a nice overview of the swedish intercultural perceptions, I must admit that the same sort of behaviour can be seen among people here in Finland. Traveling, being hip. I came up with this saying: One seeks to go to Shangri-La, the other one to Babylonia, but neither of them, to Impiwaara (someone can explain where Impivaara derives from or means to them, but for me it's the ultimate Finnish retrosexual land of shamanistic warrior spirit and women with old-school female bodies. The place where you have swamp, shovel and fly agaric mushroom).

However, it was news to me that the young(ish) male are being fed up and understand the whole thing more multidimensionally. One can only think of how big that segment is in the big picture. And do they have spirit enough to do something about it.

Have a nice rest of the year 2012

[-PPT-]

I don't think Swedes on the average enjoy mass-immigration any more than people in other countries do. It is only that people in Sweden beware appearing in public being viewed as anti-immigration. Ordinary people between themselves are very outright in their views about how immigration on the whole has been detrimental to Sweden. Or at least that is my experience of Sweden and speaking to ordinary people over there.

Politicians, of course, are a different ball-game altogether. If I recall correctly, the former SDP-leader, Mona Sahlin, was nicknamed in some circles as muslim-Mona because of her statements about how only muslims have any worthwhile culture.

Politicians in other parties are not very much better either. I guess that as you have an electioral system of closed lists, if you speak too critically of mass-immigration your name is at the bottom of the list of the candidates of a party in an election or erased from the list completely.

[Svensken]

Svensken,

To your last answer where you gave a nice overview of the swedish intercultural perceptions, I must admit that the same sort of behaviour can be seen among people here in Finland. Traveling, being hip. I came up with this saying: One seeks to go to Shangri-La, the other one to Babylonia, but neither of them, to Impiwaara (someone can explain where Impivaara derives from or means to them, but for me it's the ultimate Finnish retrosexual land of shamanistic warrior spirit and women with old-school female bodies. The place where you have swamp, shovel and fly agaric mushroom).

However, it was news to me that the young(ish) male are being fed up and understand the whole thing more multidimensionally. One can only think of how big that segment is in the big picture. And do they have spirit enough to do something about it.

Have a nice rest of the year 2012

It's not white males in general who are feed up, but those who are fed up are mainly young white males.

[Svensken]

I don't think Swedes on the average enjoy mass-immigration any more than people in other countries do. It is only that people in Sweden beware appearing in public being viewed as anti-immigration. Ordinary people between themselves are very outright in their views about how immigration on the whole has been detrimental to Sweden. Or at least that is my experience of Sweden and speaking to ordinary people over there.

Politicians, of course, are a different ball-game altogether. If I recall correctly, the former SDP-leader, Mona Sahlin, was nicknamed in some circles as muslim-Mona because of her statements about how only muslims have any worthwhile culture.

Politicians in other parties are not very much better either. I guess that as you have an electioral system of closed lists, if you speak too critically of mass-immigration your name is at the bottom of the list of the candidates of a party in an election or erased from the list completely.

In Sweden there are always two sets of opinions, one private and one public. This is the reality in all questions but in some it can vary very much. A politician or other public person who says he loves multiculturalism in one arena can say that he "hates immigrants" in another more private setting.

It was the name Mona-Muslim and here party had the slogan in the 2006 years election "Alla ska med"(Meaning Everybody are going to go with) but this was changed by critics to "Allah ska med" which you mean "Allah will go with".

[Lemmy]

It's not white males in general who are feed up, but those who are fed up are mainly young white males.

I thought they were selling ass on Kungsgatan?

[Svensken]

It's not white males in general who are feed up, but those who are fed up are mainly young white males.

I thought they were selling ass on Kungsgatan?

I did not believe discussions about homosexuals were allowed?