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Started by Svensken, 23.12.2012, 10:47:44

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Svensken

Hello!

I was asked by a Finnish friend to write here. I am a man from Sweden that lives in Stockholm and I would happily answer all your questions about the situation in Sweden. I though speak or write no Finnish so please write in English.

Best regards from

Svensken

Marko Parkkola

How's the weather there?

Tabula Rasa

What you think about Jimmie Åkesson?
Hedelmistään puu tunnetaan.

''UPMn Kyselytutkimuksessa 40 prosenttia ei sisäistänyt sitäkään että puu on vessapaperin ja pahvin raaka-aine.''

Svensken

In Stockholm it's now about -4 and a really good Christmas weather.
How is it in Finland?

nurkkakuntalainen

Well, I would like to ask whether you have an appropriate immigration-critical webforum like we do. I don't mean extremist racist forums, but something like this Hommaforum. This forum is, by the way, quite productive: the users ("hompanzees") have even founded a new political party.
Ghettoutuminen parempi kuin assimilaatio. Paluumuutto parempi kuin ghettoutuminen.
Kotiutus kotoutuksen tilalle!
Eroa valtiosta

far angst

#5
Welcome, Svensken, and thank you for coming.

What would you have Finland learn of the Swedish experience of the immigration policies?

If you had the power to change the Swedish Experience of immigration, what would be the three most important things you'd change immediately?

Thank you for your replies.
Rasisteille muistutan, että maahanmuuttajat ovat yhtä hyviä naapureita, kunnollisia, ammattitaitoisia ja rehellisiä, hyvin koulutettuja, lainkuuliaisia ja töissä käyviä veronmaksajia ja yhteiskunnan hyödyllisiä jäseniä kuin ovat Suomen somalit ja mustalaisetkin.

Svensken

What you think about Jimmie Åkesson?

I think he is a good politician, better than the others we have in our parliament.

Well, I would like to ask whether you have an appropriate immigration-critical webforum like we do. I don't mean extremist racist forums, but something like this Hommaforum. This forum is, by the way, quite productive: the users ("hompanzees") have even founded a new political party
Oh, witch party?
We have flashback.org but there the people discussion are from radical left to radical right but immigration is absolutely a hot an well debated forum. But this forum is generally looked down upon by the media and establishment.

I can smell the scent of a troll.
I hope to prove I am not a troll by time, but I appreciate you awareness. 

nurkkakuntalainen

^ The party is Change 2011. They gained one municipal seat at the last election.
Ghettoutuminen parempi kuin assimilaatio. Paluumuutto parempi kuin ghettoutuminen.
Kotiutus kotoutuksen tilalle!
Eroa valtiosta

Svensken

What would you have Finland learn of the Swedish experience of the immigration policies?
Not to have PUT and not to overflow your country with immigrants and please let there be a civilized and real debate about the problems that comes from immigration. Sweden has had a enormous demographic shift the last twenty years (http://www.vitbok.se/2/dia/utrfodda0009.jpg) but there has been no serious debate about it. People who has been critical has been silenced with being called racist in media, getting kicked from their job and getting beaten up.

PUT means (Permanent UppehållsTillstånd) if you are defined as a refuge at any time you get a permanent visa. You never have to go back to your home country even if there would be peace and prosperity the month after you get your PUT.

If you had the power to change the Swedish Experience of immigration, what would be the three most important things you'd change immediately?
-Take away PUT and have visas that can be taken back if there would be safe to send people back. This would make it possible to help more refugees that really need protection than today.
-Give incentives for people to return to their home countries.
-Shift our focus from people who are so rich that they can get to Sweden and instead help the really poor refugees who are in camps around the conflict areas.


Malla

Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 10:47:44
Hello!

I was asked by a Finnish friend to write here. I am a man from Sweden that lives in Stockholm and I would happily answer all your questions about the situation in Sweden. I though speak or write no Finnish so please write in English.

Best regards from

Svensken

Varför inte på svenska?

IDA

How are You?
qui non est mecum adversum me est

Goman



Are You and Your friends worried about swedish culture fading away, and transforming something new and unknown universal culture?

How about jobs which are manned by immigrants, is it good or bad or inevitable situation?

Svensken

Alltså svenska är ju såklart bäst, men jag tänkte att det var större chans att man ville prata engelska på det här forumet. Vill en majoritet att jag hellre skriver på svenska så är detta inget som helst problem.

Slartibartfast

Tjena Svensken. Vad är den korrekta svenska benämningen på de bidrag som asylsökande får under den tid de vistas på flyktingförläggningen?
"Det känns som Irak eller något annat arabland. Jag trivs jättebra i Malmö." -Fatima Obaid

Malla

Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 11:11:30
Oh, witch party?
Very few witches, I'm afraid  :)

Tabula Rasa

Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 11:03:47
In Stockholm it's now about -4 and a really good Christmas weather.
How is it in Finland?

-27 in north-savo. Quite warm, but very clear and good weather for christmas.

Hedelmistään puu tunnetaan.

''UPMn Kyselytutkimuksessa 40 prosenttia ei sisäistänyt sitäkään että puu on vessapaperin ja pahvin raaka-aine.''

Svensken

How are You?
I am just fine, thanks for asking.

Are You and Your friends worried about swedish culture fading away, and transforming something new and unknown universal culture?

How about jobs which are manned by immigrants, is it good or bad or inevitable situation?


Yes, me and others are very worried about the transformation that is happening here in Sweden. All that used to be are changing and mostly for the worse. Every day we can read about horrible crimes and other things that never happened twenty years ago. The only universal culture that is being created in Sweden is gangster culture. Being big, bad and getting money in any way possible. This is the culture that I see is taking over in the future years. I feel that I no longer know my own country.

The immigrants are everywhere and it depends on witch groups you meet. Some are nice and very well orderly and others are out right crazy. Here in Stockholm SL(Local traffic in Stockholm) employs loads of immigrants and some of them that drives the buses are really bad at driving and are often talking in their phones when it's actually forbidden because they are so bad at driving. About half the amount of doctors here in Stockholm are immigrants some of them are good but mainly there use to be language issues.

Svensken

Rörande bidraget när flyktingar bor på flyktingförläggning så är jag inte helt säker då jag inte själv arbetat där, men etableringsbidraget är från vad jag kan läsa mig till ett av de bidragen de får. Men om de har barn osv så får de väl även barnbidrag osv?

Slartibartfast

Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 11:46:08
Rörande bidraget när flyktingar bor på flyktingförläggning så är jag inte helt säker då jag inte själv arbetat där, men etableringsbidraget är från vad jag kan läsa mig till ett av de bidragen de får. Men om de har barn osv så får de väl även barnbidrag osv?
På finlandssvenska heter det "mottagnings- och brukspenning". Det kanske är något snarlikt på rikssvenska. 
"Det känns som Irak eller något annat arabland. Jag trivs jättebra i Malmö." -Fatima Obaid

Svensken

På finlandssvenska heter det "mottagnings- och brukspenning". Det kanske är något snarlikt på rikssvenska.
Allt heter så roligt på finlandssvenska, många gånger inte bara roligt utan främst väldigt vackert och högtidligt. Jag gillar verkligen finlandssvenskan, i brist på att förstå mig på finskan.

Vet du hur ser finlandssvenskarna på det som sker i Sverige?

Slartibartfast

Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 12:08:20
På finlandssvenska heter det "mottagnings- och brukspenning". Det kanske är något snarlikt på rikssvenska.
Allt heter så roligt på finlandssvenska, många gånger inte bara roligt utan främst väldigt vackert och högtidligt. Jag gillar verkligen finlandssvenskan, i brist på att förstå mig på finskan.

Vet du hur ser finlandssvenskarna på det som sker i Sverige?
Jag är inte själv finlandssvensk, så jag kan inte svara på din fråga. Den frågan får du nog bäst svar på i Huvudstadsbladets kommentarsfält.
"Det känns som Irak eller något annat arabland. Jag trivs jättebra i Malmö." -Fatima Obaid

Svensken

#21
Här fann jag information som berör det du frågade om bidragen: (For all the people who don't speak swedish this is about how much money you get as a immigrant in sweden.)
Sedan etableringsreformen trädde i kraft får en nyanländ arbetslös invandrarmamma med tre barn följande bidrag varje månad.

6 510 kr i etableringsersättning
4 500 kr i etableringstillägg
4 500 kr i bostadsbidrag
3 754 kr i barnbidrag
2 546 kr i underhållsstöd

= 21 810 kr i månaden skattefritt.

Utöver detta har invandraren rätt till:

259 200 kr i retroaktiv föräldrapenning

12 000 kr i skattefri SFI-bonus.

Invandraren kan själv välja i vilken takt föräldrapengen ska betalas ut. SFI-bonusen betalas ut vid avklarad kurs.

Inget av ovanstående bidrag kan dras in för att invandraren vägrar att ta ett erbjudet jobb.

Goman


What do You think about Finland as a state, and  finnish-swedish co-operation? Is it getting better or is it cooling down a bit?

It seems that Finland is looking more and more to east, not west. Our trade and business operations are growing all the time with Russia and Baltics. Business with Sweden is staying about the same.

One example is our travelling statistics. In the last 10 years we have been doing in a year about 1,7 million travels to Sweden, but 2,5 million travels to Russia and Baltics.  So we have two close examples how to manage business, economy, money  policy, and also immigration.
If we adopt more eastern style of immigration policy, we have the possibility to avoid imported "gangster culture", which has not arrived in Finland yet.

Svensken

What do You think about Finland as a state, and  finnish-swedish co-operation? Is it getting better or is it cooling down a bit?

It seems that Finland is looking more and more to east, not west. Our trade and business operations are growing all the time with Russia and Baltics. Business with Sweden is staying about the same.

One example is our travelling statistics. In the last 10 years we have been doing in a year about 1,7 million travels to Sweden, but 2,5 million travels to Russia and Baltics.  So we have two close examples how to manage business, economy, money  policy, and also immigration.
If we adopt more eastern style of immigration policy, we have the possibility to avoid imported "gangster culture", which has not arrived in Finland yet.


What I know from Finland I am very impressed. You have a very low rate of corruption and you have a modern history that very few countries compares to. When it comes to Swedish-Finnish state cooperation I hope for your sake that it's cooling down. You have very little to learn from us, more than "what not to do".

For your sake I really hope you will look more to Russia than to Sweden. Even if Russia has enormous problems they are at least talking about some of them.

Why do you need mass immigration? Better to adopt the what Putin newly spoke about "I would wish for all Russian families to have at least three children." ;)

Sweden is a warning to Finland and to the world; how to destroy something good so fast and not seeming to care.

crissaegrim

#24
Quote from: Svensken on 23.12.2012, 13:27:00
Sweden is a warning to Finland and to the world; how to destroy something good so fast and not seeming to care.
Your warning hasn't reached the mainstream opinion here, neither has Great Britain's, Holland's, France's etc. It's the media's fault: they constantly talk about how much racism there is in Sweden. They talk about the racist murders in Malmö, not mentioning Malmö's situation. The worst thing is how they say that a crime is committed by a Swede in malmö, whereas a "Swede" means someone non-Western.
And the ironic thing is, in the form of doublethink they also preach how we should be as TolerantTM as you, our big cousinsin.

Normal people don't know about the bad immigration situation in Europe and therefore don't expect it arrive here. We need to work on how to inform them more efficiently. Im thinking, youtube-videos are good and easy to approach. There aren't much videos of the decadent suburbs from Finland, since they haven't yet gone that bad.

1) Could you link some crucial bad videos of the ghettoes in Sweden?

2) What is the media's propaganda like of Finnish immigration critics in there? I suppose it's about the same as of You here: SD is an embodiment of evil and the Swedes are so racist as hell.
In a world of fiction everything is true.

Defend Finland!

Välkommen! Läste just om Herman Linqvists krönika i AB. Han tycks ha blivit sverigedemokrat. Egentligen så säger han uppenbara sanningar, men intressantast är hans analys angående religionen i Sverige. I och med islams aggressiva attityder och ständiga krav så har svenska skolelever fått den uppfattningen att religion är samma som islam, andra finns inte!

Skall senare analysera Lindqvist på min blogg:http://frontlinjen.blogspot.fi

Eli Herman Lindqvistin kirjoitus löytyy tästä:http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kolumnister/hermanlindqvist/article15974504.ab

Arvostettu historioitsija Herman Lindqvist kirjoittaa  kuin hän olisi ruotsidemokraatti! Siihen ei tarvita muuta kuin että kertoo totuuden, eli "keisarilla ei ole vaatteita!"

Mielenkiintoisin huomio on uskonnosta. Koska islam on itsevarma, aggressiivinen ja vaativa, niin Ruotsin kouluissa on syntynyt sellainen käsitys, että islam ja uskonto ovat samoja asioita, muita uskontoja ei taida olla. Ja uskontoa ei saa pilkata, siitä seuraa heti rantaistus.

Uuno Nuivanen

#26
OT: Onko tuo se takavuosien' Herman's Historia' -ukkeli? Katselin sarjaa aikoinaan, ja tykkäsin kovasti vauhdikkaasta ja kansantajuisesta kerronnasta.  :)

Lemmy

#27
Hejsan svedupelle och välkommen.

a) Vad tänker du om det Svenska Centerpartiets ny immigreringsprogramm? Är det framtiden?

b) Jag har förstått att Saab och Volvo och mest av det gamla industri som krävde arbetskraft i 70-talet har flyttat till Kina. Har ni ännu en "skrikande krav för (slav)arbetskraft" som i Finland?

c) Ska Sverige stanna på kronan eller ta euro?

d) Om a) , b), och c) är positivt: vem i helvete ska betala allt detta berikandet?
- Emmekä enää euroakaan lähetä näihin etelän hulivilimaihin. Tässä on laki ja profeetat. Timo Soini YLE 01.06.2011

Slartibartfast

Quote from: Uuno Nuivanen on 23.12.2012, 14:02:49
OT: Onko tuo se takavuosien' Herman's Historia' -ukkeli? Katselin sarjaa aikoinaan, ja tykkäsin kovasti vauhdikkaasta ja kansantajuisesta kerronnasta.  :)
Sama ukkeli.
"Det känns som Irak eller något annat arabland. Jag trivs jättebra i Malmö." -Fatima Obaid

Svensken

1) Could you link some crucial bad videos of the ghettoes in Sweden?

2) What is the media's propaganda like of Finnish immigration critics in there? I suppose it's about the same as of You here: SD is an embodiment of evil and the Swedes are so racist as hell.


I think you should start alternative media sources in Finland, we have been doing that in Sweden. It has worked quite well and the mainstream media is now with anger attacking these sites. What you talk about concerning the mainstream media is totally correct. They are always telling us that it's "sweds" who is for example fighting with Al Quaida in Syra. Some moths ago a "swed" was put on trial for the genocide in Rwanda in the 90s.

1. I will happily provide any kind of material from sweden, here are some films(the problem is that they are in swedish, but if you just want violence in sweden from immigrants that can easily be fixed also :
"Malmö feels like any arab country" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHrmSTRmjyw
"Fox has been in Malmö, this one is mainly in english" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfJmBRpTn0
"Studentriot in Göteborg" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPGT3A0hEQ

2. The swedish media, when they do mention Finland, which is not often, they mainly say that you are racists and don't want to help the poor refugees. I know some of you can actually se SVT in Finland, do you believe them at all because in sweden people are turning more and more to alternative media to get real information about the situation.