Ask Svensken

[AstaTTT]

^ The family from my father's side was known as Henriksson before they changed their name to Tuominen, just as Lemmy explains. Further down the history the family has been traced to Sigfrid Eerikinpoika which shows that the influence of the Swedish government was very strong, if not overwhelming, at times.

[P]

Vi har circus arkadia också. Så samma är här.

På vilket vis har ni det circus i Finland också?

Well, we got near 200 clown in our circus and they do stupider and stupider tricks for pension or just for better eu-jobs.

Say, more expensive ways for taxpayers to get their new EU-jobs, like pouring money to German and French banks that over financed PIGS. And most likelly they get only promises of the jobs, that will not hold eventually.

[P]

^ The family from my father's side was known as Henriksson before they changed their name to Tuominen, just as Lemmy explains. Further down the history the family has been traced to Sigfrid Eerikinpoika which shows that the influence of the Swedish government was very strong, if not overwhelming, at times.

True in many cases. But many Swedish speaking family has  become Finnish speaking. My family lineage has Fanny, Carl Frederik, Emilia, Frederika etc. with swedish surnames to 1930-40;ties. Even origins of family can be tracked to Uppsala and the Netherlands/ Flanders. 

[P]

Mention this last thing about the blogger to give a picture of how sick the debate-climate is in the country. 

It's really interesting to get a picture of politics in Finland.

Well, we Finns have a bit sick political climate, too. Some immigration criticists, such as Jussi Halla-aho have been sentenced of blasphemy against Moslems or incitement to hatred.

But at least I think, that maybe Finland is to Sweden a little bit like Estonia is to Finland. Sorry for a bit off-topic, but I think our southern neighbor tolerates anti-immigration and nationalism much better than the Finnish establishment does.

Why was he comvicted?
Islam is a paedophilia religion because of the fact that Muhammed was a paedophile and he is the best example of how to live for all muslims. It's like 1+1=2.

Political reasons only. They tried to smere Halla-ahos public image. In the sentence were written, that the facts and logic are not a matter to reference in case of religion..    Specially in case f islam. Wery similar claimes made Jesus and chirtian sect, that were not based in facts caused the procecutor general to withdraw and keep the case out of court. (Case veriryhma). It is clear double standard dealing with islam in reference other religions.

Halla-aho didn t make any significant champaining in Helsinki muncipal elections last fall, and was third most voted person chosen to municipal council (if I remember right). The plan of Kalske and Illman..  Backfired badly. 

[Svensken]

foobar:
Very interesting to learn about a part of history I did not know much about. Are the main economic power still in swedish-finns hands today? How important, if any, is "Svenska kulturfonden" in this power?

You also mentioned Åland, just how liberal is the island and how "swedenized" with attitudes and most important how "diversity" has it become?

It's really fascinating that you accepts political views in Finland, do you have groups like EXPO who gets millions to follow, attack and destroy the lives of people who lacks political correctness. There are also many indications that EXPO and SÄPO(The Swedish secret service) are working together. EXPO has for example gotten information about private peoples SMS-traffic and what people buys for books online.

[Everyman]

Which then brings us back to the "better people" question, as if theres a Finnish school, and a Swedish school - the "cultural enrichment" usually ends up in the Finnish one.

Yeah well. Immigrant kids go to schools that are nearest to their housing in the suburban areas, and those schools happen to be finnish-speaking. They don't travel to schools that are in the city centres or other "better" areas. There are both finnish- and swedish-speaking schools that have no immigrant students to speak of.

The language isn't really significant. These things are mostly social and geographical, just like everywhere else. Finland is no exception.

[Svensken]

Lemmy, Asta Tuominen, P:

It's really interesting that there is some kind of sentiment by people that the swedish-finns are "Better people". SFP seems to have something to take care of when it comes to "racism". Why does not finnish news write about this double standard?

Jussi Halla-aho seems to be a very interesting person, really nice that he got the voters support. Good any way that you have a reality check in Finland that its legal to say the truth about Muhammed.

[-PPT-]

Isn't it true that it comes as a surprise to many Swedes when they learn that there is a Swedish-speaking minority in Finland?

[Svensken]

Hej Svensken,

Vad är din opinion gällande Svergiedemokraternas understöd bland medelsvensson? De officiella opinionsifrorna har ju trots olika "skandaler" stigit för SD men tror du att de reflekterar det riktiga understödet eller finns det ett dolt understöd som folk inte vill komma ut med?

I senaste riksdagsvalet i Finland fick ju vårt "protestparti" Perussuomalaiset, Sannfinländarna en mycket högre understöd i valet än vad den officiella opinionsmätningen visade. Tror du att samma fenomen kan hända för SD i de kommande valen?

Samma på finska:

Mikä on mielipiteesi koskien Ruotsindemokraattien tukea perusjärvisen keskuudessa?  Viralliset kannatusluvut ovat nouseet huolimatta erilaisista "skandaaleista", mutta uskotko niiden kuvastavan oikeaa kannatusta vai onko olemassa piilokannatusta.

Viime eduskuntavaaleissa Suomessa "protestipuolueemme" Perussuomalaisethan saivat korkeamman kannatuksen vaaleissa kun viralliset kannatusmittaukset osoittivat.
Uskotko, että sama ilmiö on mahdollinen SD:lle tulevissa vaaleissa?

It's really hard to know how the general opinion looks like about SD because there it is a very dangerous thing to discuss publicly. You can lose a lot but win very little by stating "wrong opinions" in these questions. Likely SD could get aroun 15% in the next election. But 85% do not vote for them and the other parties really hates SD and would never have anything to do with them and "their anti-human and anti-democratic views"(Which reads: Saying that immigration is a problem).

The thing is that I do not really view Sweden as a real democracy. There is no free debate, the politicians do not respect the voters and you get very negative consequences for joining SD. You can lose you job, lots of friends(even relatives for many), get attacked in the media or even attacked physically on the streets or in your home. In some elections time there will be no chance for SD winning the majority of votes, which might be what is demanded for being able to halt immigration a little. Here is an article from Aftonbladet about a mother who has broken contact with her son because he told her he voted for SD: http://www.aftonbladet.se/wendela/relationer/article12565415.ab

Every year about 1% of the population is imported and next year the politicians hope for 2%(about 180.000) these people would never vote for SD. Even now the situation in Sweden is very bad and it will probably get worse for each year. In ten years time there will be about 10% more immigrants (and with their children maby 3% more) and then we will have about 35-40% immigrants in Sweden.(Here is a good interactive map for the past and future http://statistics.heliohost.org/prognos2050/ )

If you put this large number part together with the fact that the majority of sweds are totally brainwashed there is little chance for a change in the future. I even know guys who been beaten and girls who have been raped two or three times by immigrants that still love multiculturalism and would never dream of voting SD.

[Svensken]

Isn't it true that it comes as a surprise to many Swedes when they learn that there is a Swedish-speaking minority in Finland?

Yes, the majority have very little knowledge about this, they maybe know about Åland because the "Finlandsfärjan" stops there.

[Everyman]

It's really interesting that there is some kind of sentiment by people that the swedish-finns are "Better people".

That's an old illusion. The Swedish-speaking Finns in Ostrobothnia are just as dumb redneck hicks as their Finnish-speaking counterparts.

Basically the Finns just have a notoriously low self-esteem. They are themselves better than they think, but they always like to feel small and poor despite having pretty much the best living standard in the world...

[AstaTTT]

It's really fascinating that you accepts political views in Finland, do you have groups like EXPO who gets millions to follow, attack and destroy the lives of people who lacks political correctness.

I don't know what EXPO is but I have learnt that there are at least two ways of trying to quiet people with "wrong opinions" down:
1. Ridiculing and tarnishing their image.
2. Censorship.

I was a candidate for the Change 2011 party in October's municipal election. Many candidates were identified as nazis, fascists or rasists (naturally by an unknown source that you cannot communicate with) and they were made public at this website, me included:
http://kunnollisvaalit-2012.blogspot.fi/
I was condemned as racist because I am openly against the lose refugee policy practiced by the Finnish government.

The other way to manage "free thinkers" is not letting them air their opinions freely. Just yesterday I was banned from a well-known, newspaper-owned forum in Finland, Uusi Suomi. I had previosly gotten two warnings against breaking the forum rules with my blog postings, and yesterday I was banned permanently for posting a law initiative there.
The law initiative suggests that we stop paying money for humanitarian refugees; it is enough to take care of their basic needs without giving them money. We have just now started collecting supporter names and if we get the required 50000 signatures within the next six months, the government has to decide on the issue.
https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/fi/aloite/42
I am the legal representative of the initiative.

What I "fight" against is the deterioration of values in Finland: inequality and positive discrimination, not listening to the people, bailouts that are against the Lisbon treaty, CEAS and so forth. My "sword" is the truth, openness and transparency. I am writing with my real name and being as authentic as I possibly can. It is very difficult to "attack" a person who has already shown the world the skeletons in their closet.

SFP is one of the strongest organisations in Finland to guide and support the deterioration of our nation. I consider it my duty to expose the "secret agenda", that is the dual standards prevailing, and make people wake up to what's going on. By being truthful, honest and transparent that might be established. And if not, at least we tried.

I think the northern nations should find a way to join forces to keep our Nordic cultures alive.

Why does not finnish news write about this double standard?

My answer is: 1984.

[Emo]

Alltså svenska är ju såklart bäst, men jag tänkte att det var större chans att man ville prata engelska på det här forumet. Vill en majoritet att jag hellre skriver på svenska så är detta inget som helst problem.

In english, please. Vi kan skriva (some of us) litet svenska, men engelska är bättre. And welcome to Hommaforum! 

I feel so pity for you swedish people nowadays, it must be terrible to live there in Sweden among minarets and äbäläwäbälä.
I wonder what's wrong with swedish people; why do you want to destroy your own beautiful country?

As it is Christmas now, the Finnish television shows Astrid Lindgren's Emil i Lönneberga movies on TV, and I'm watching Emil  with my child and missing old swedish culture that's gone.     

[AstaTTT]

Basically the Finns just have a notoriously low self-esteem.

I have to disagree with that. 

[foobar]

foobar:
Very interesting to learn about a part of history I did not know much about. Are the main economic power still in swedish-finns hands today? How important, if any, is "Svenska kulturfonden" in this power?

I believe there is no party with more powerful and financially equipped lobby than SFP, and foundations like Svenska kulturfonden are basis of that lobby. These lobbies are not only making life safe for those that want to take all-SFP stance among Swedish speakers, but also back Finnish speaking politicians on major parties to run their cause. It's strange how for instance the ex prime minister Paavo Lipponen sees cause of Swedish speaking minority as more or less his primary interest in the politics. After all, he's a social democrat with no "blood ties" to Swedish speakers. While many of the major parties have been pretty close to bankruptcy, SFP has seemed to not see such problems. At least some claims exist that they effectively sponsor campaigns of SFP-friendly parties to some extent, and so keep them - each party more than fivefold in size in comparison to SFP - loyal to them.

These statements have to be taken with a grain of salt, though. It is not very clear in the public how much SFP and foundations closely connected to it play this kind of a game, but I'd still say they do have strong influence - which they wouldn't like to be entirely public.

You also mentioned Åland, just how liberal is the island and how "swedenized" with attitudes and most important how "diversity" has it become?

Ålanders have relatively strong ties towards Sweden (their current parliamentary representative has born in Sweden), but it's a bit strange setup otherwise. Many of them don't want to be related to Finland in any way, but they probably wouldn't want to be "just Swedes" living in "regular Sweden" even if they managed to somehow get rid of Finland. They want to be special. In that way, I have my suspicions how wholeheartedly they would be ready to commit policies such as Swedish immigration policy.

Immigration in Åland is not the kind of immigration SFP promotes in public in Finland. Also, technically Åland doesn't have SFP but its' own parties as autonomous region, but traditionally parliamentary representative of Åland has sat with SFP in the parliament.

Yet, you have to notice an interesting attitude among SFP and also Ålanders towards immigration; their talking heads seem to favor open doors policy that would let almost anyone in, but don't publicly disclose that it definitely shouldn't occur in their neigborhood. In their neighborhood, they want some quality from immigration. At least very recently, Åland had not a single somali immigrant, and immigration centers seem to magically avoid being placed on middle of Swedish-speaking regions, even when SFP strongly favors *any* kind of immigration.

SFP would want to train these immigrants to be Swedish speakers - which is a bit odd. Not speaking Finnish (nor English!) puts one in pretty weak position in Finland even if it's technically a bilingual country. It would "improve" statistics for Swedish speakers, but it would also make the immigrants very weak in the job market, dependent on the grace of other Swedish speakers. For some sectors like greenhouse farming, weak low-wage employees would be actually a benefit to SFP supporters. (These success-stories-turned-immigrant-abuse have been even shown on TV.) In some ways SFP probably trusts on others paying the bill with those they don't want to employ; since all services have to be bilingual and immigrant-gravitating regions (mostly Helsinki, Turku and Tampere) are regions of Finnish majority nowadays, they could just wait their failed "Swedish speaking" immigrants to move there, when they're unemployed. It wouldn't be their problem any more.

It's really fascinating that you accepts political views in Finland, do you have groups like EXPO who gets millions to follow, attack and destroy the lives of people who lacks political correctness. There are also many indications that EXPO and SÄPO(The Swedish secret service) are working together. EXPO has for example gotten information about private peoples SMS-traffic and what people buys for books online.

High-profile politicians in Perussuomalaiset have been under legal inquiry since the immigration policy critical movement gained strength, but results have been almost laughably weak, like fines of couple hundred euros. This is probably because previous president was very strong pushing people with unbelievably totalitarian-leftist attitudes in strong positions, but all of that couldn't have happened without acceptance by majority of ruling parties. Yet, situation in Finland seems to be dramatically better than in Sweden, and common folk has pretty strong freedom of opinion in practice.

I do have a less flattering theory why this is so, though: this political climate works since immigration is not the five-ton elephant in the room. It's just a 100 kg baby elephant. People can really think of doing things without taking the elephant into account on their every move, almost controlling all that they would do. There are situations where blaming immigration can be called to be rightfully off-topic. It would seem that margins for that are gone in Sweden, and reality-based speech has become impossibly hard to accept on political circles. After all, could a whole society choose wrong for decades and decades? "Surely not."

And last but not the least: these are my personal opinions, and I believe in every aspect I've written there's considerable leeway, even for writers on this forum. The funny part about politics is that people have differing opinions which may all be equally good even if they conflict. We just have to accept it, if we want to maintain an open-ended society. Maybe it's best not to have factually misinformed opinions (I bet I'm not perfect, but who is), but every subject should be open to debate, and open to policymaking through democratic representation. Fortunately that works at least to some extent in Finland.

[Svensken]

It's really interesting that there is some kind of sentiment by people that the swedish-finns are "Better people".

That's an old illusion. The Swedish-speaking Finns in Ostrobothnia are just as dumb redneck hicks as their Finnish-speaking counterparts.

Basically the Finns just have a notoriously low self-esteem. They are themselves better than they think, but they always like to feel small and poor despite having pretty much the best living standard in the world...

How can you have a low self-esteem?
You survived a civil war, survived a war with Soviet Union and your country was one of the three in Europe that was not occupied(together with Britain and Soviet). You after that paid your war debt to the soviets on in scheduled time. After that you handled this dangerous neighbour you build up your country to be one of the riches in the world and now after all you are world leading in so many ways and one of the most important way is corruption. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index)

You are surely one of the best country and people in the world, how can you be so humble in front of your own superbness?
(This humbleness only makes you even better )

[matkamiehiii]

1. What kind of you think Sweden will be in year 2100
2.Who do you think is behind all this multiculturalism hype- in Sweden.
3.What do you think about this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg ?

[Svensken]

Alltså svenska är ju såklart bäst, men jag tänkte att det var större chans att man ville prata engelska på det här forumet. Vill en majoritet att jag hellre skriver på svenska så är detta inget som helst problem.

In english, please. Vi kan skriva (some of us) litet svenska, men engelska är bättre. And welcome to Hommaforum! 

I feel so pity for you swedish people nowadays, it must be terrible to live there in Sweden among minarets and äbäläwäbälä.
I wonder what's wrong with swedish people; why do you want to destroy your own beautiful country?

As it is Christmas now, the Finnish television shows Astrid Lindgren's Emil i Lönneberga movies on TV, and I'm watching Emil  with my child and missing old swedish culture that's gone.     

Thanks, it's nice to know that there are people who cares about our situation...

[Svensken]

It's really fascinating that you accepts political views in Finland, do you have groups like EXPO who gets millions to follow, attack and destroy the lives of people who lacks political correctness.

I don't know what EXPO is but I have learnt that there are at least two ways of trying to quiet people with "wrong opinions" down:
1. Ridiculing and tarnishing their image.
2. Censorship.

I was a candidate for the Change 2011 party in October's municipal election. Many candidates were identified as nazis, fascists or rasists (naturally by an unknown source that you cannot communicate with) and they were made public at this website, me included:
http://kunnollisvaalit-2012.blogspot.fi/
I was condemned as racist because I am openly against the lose refugee policy practiced by the Finnish government.

The other way to manage "free thinkers" is not letting them air their opinions freely. Just yesterday I was banned from a well-known, newspaper-owned forum in Finland, Uusi Suomi. I had previosly gotten two warnings against breaking the forum rules with my blog postings, and yesterday I was banned permanently for posting a law initiative there.
The law initiative suggests that we stop paying money for humanitarian refugees; it is enough to take care of their basic needs without giving them money. We have just now started collecting supporter names and if we get the required 50000 signatures within the next six months, the government has to decide on the issue.
https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/fi/aloite/42
I am the legal representative of the initiative.

What I "fight" against is the deterioration of values in Finland: inequality and positive discrimination, not listening to the people, bailouts that are against the Lisbon treaty, CEAS and so forth. My "sword" is the truth, openness and transparency. I am writing with my real name and being as authentic as I possibly can. It is very difficult to "attack" a person who has already shown the world the skeletons in their closet.

SFP is one of the strongest organisations in Finland to guide and support the deterioration of our nation. I consider it my duty to expose the "secret agenda", that is the dual standards prevailing, and make people wake up to what's going on. By being truthful, honest and transparent that might be established. And if not, at least we tried.

I think the northern nations should find a way to join forces to keep our Nordic cultures alive.

Why does not finnish news write about this double standard?

My answer is: 1984.

EXPO is a foundation that keeps track of all immigration-critics in Sweden and does their best to discredit them. They are very rich because of loads of donations and money they receive from Stieg Larssons million selling books. He was one of the founder but he died some years ago. As I said there is many things  pointing to the fact that they likely are in collaboration with SÄPO (The swedish secret service). I know this sounds crazy, but please visit Sweden and investigate this for your self, Sweden is very crazy now days.

The blogg you link to looks like the mildest form of attacks you can get in Sweden. Have people on the blogg received any death threats, lost their jobs or getting any kind of beating, burnings or other damage?

Join the nordic countries, you want to join with sweden for real?

[Svensken]

1. What kind of you think Sweden will be in year 2100
2.Who do you think is behind all this multiculturalism hype- in Sweden.
3.What do you think about this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg ?

1. Gangsterland, play GTA and modern warfare and you get a good picture.

2. It's a cool thing to love multiculturalism. Its demanded if you are a teacher, priest or have any other kind of public employment. The media and schools daily promote this issue in a massive way and if you want to get benefits in Sweden today or advance in many places you need your amount of PC-worship.

3. Very stupid of them, jews in mamlö gets attacked all the time and there has even been a bomb out side the synagogue there. Malmö is the most multicultural city in Sweden with about 30-50% immigrants right now. They sounds like normal sweds who blindly wants more multiculturalism even though them selves gets attacked on a daily basis. Sad to see, really.

[AstaTTT]

Join the nordic countries, you want to join with sweden for real?

Union makes force. 

We have a long history together and I would love to continue it, together. I don't believe it for a second that our nations would willingly transform into a blended society where the highest values are rootlessness, greed and positive discrimination without justice, freedom of speech and true democrary.

[AstaTTT]

The blogg you link to looks like the mildest form of attacks you can get in Sweden. Have people on the blogg received any death threats, lost their jobs or getting any kind of beating, burnings or other damage?

When I joined the Change 2011 party a tire of my car was punctured with a knife. I know that some candidates withdrew their candidacy because of the Kunnollisvaalit blog. I think the common fear that prevents people from coming out of the closet with their own names, faces and opinions is to lose their jobs, businesses and the standard of living that they currently maintain. We should somehow find a way to cross this barrier of fear, and every person who does that is worth their weight in diamonds for our shared future.

[Emo]

Thanks, it's nice to know that there are people who cares about our situation...

I do care. I know personally many swedish people, some of them are of finnish origin and some are native swedish (no immigrant background). Some are still living in Sweden, and some of them have moved to Finland. I even know native swedish persons (with NO FINNISH ROOTS) that have moved to Finland!!

The situation of your country is soon also our situation, if nothing is to be done. And naturally I'm also worried about swedish people, I'm christian and I'm sentimental woman. 

Is that friend of yours who told you to write to Homma, is that friend of finnish backgroud?

[AstaTTT]

Svensken, is this the EXPO that you are referring to:
http://expo.se/2010/about-expo_3514.html
---

We have an excellent website here in Finland that follows mainly what is happening in the Nordic Countries, Sikolätti:
http://rahmispossu.net/

It is one of the reasons why we know so much about what is happening around us, especially in Sweden.

[Svensken]

Svensken, is this the EXPO that you are referring to:
http://expo.se/2010/about-expo_3514.html

Spot on!

[Everyman]

How can you have a low self-esteem?
You survived a civil war, survived a war with Soviet Union and your country was one of the three in Europe that was not occupied(together with Britain and Soviet). You after that paid your war debt to the soviets on in scheduled time. After that you handled this dangerous neighbour you build up your country to be one of the riches in the world and now after all you are world leading in so many ways and one of the most important way is corruption. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index)

You are surely one of the best country and people in the world, how can you be so humble in front of your own superbness?
(This humbleness only makes you even better )

Yeah but we've lost to Sweden in ice hockey so many times.

[Svensken]

foobar:
Very interesting to learn about a part of history I did not know much about. Are the main economic power still in swedish-finns hands today? How important, if any, is "Svenska kulturfonden" in this power?

I believe there is no party with more powerful and financially equipped lobby than SFP, and foundations like Svenska kulturfonden are basis of that lobby. These lobbies are not only making life safe for those that want to take all-SFP stance among Swedish speakers, but also back Finnish speaking politicians on major parties to run their cause. It's strange how for instance the ex prime minister Paavo Lipponen sees cause of Swedish speaking minority as more or less his primary interest in the politics. After all, he's a social democrat with no "blood ties" to Swedish speakers. While many of the major parties have been pretty close to bankruptcy, SFP has seemed to not see such problems. At least some claims exist that they effectively sponsor campaigns of SFP-friendly parties to some extent, and so keep them - each party more than fivefold in size in comparison to SFP - loyal to them.

These statements have to be taken with a grain of salt, though. It is not very clear in the public how much SFP and foundations closely connected to it play this kind of a game, but I'd still say they do have strong influence - which they wouldn't like to be entirely public.

You also mentioned Åland, just how liberal is the island and how "swedenized" with attitudes and most important how "diversity" has it become?

Ålanders have relatively strong ties towards Sweden (their current parliamentary representative has born in Sweden), but it's a bit strange setup otherwise. Many of them don't want to be related to Finland in any way, but they probably wouldn't want to be "just Swedes" living in "regular Sweden" even if they managed to somehow get rid of Finland. They want to be special. In that way, I have my suspicions how wholeheartedly they would be ready to commit policies such as Swedish immigration policy.

Immigration in Åland is not the kind of immigration SFP promotes in public in Finland. Also, technically Åland doesn't have SFP but its' own parties as autonomous region, but traditionally parliamentary representative of Åland has sat with SFP in the parliament.

Yet, you have to notice an interesting attitude among SFP and also Ålanders towards immigration; their talking heads seem to favor open doors policy that would let almost anyone in, but don't publicly disclose that it definitely shouldn't occur in their neigborhood. In their neighborhood, they want some quality from immigration. At least very recently, Åland had not a single somali immigrant, and immigration centers seem to magically avoid being placed on middle of Swedish-speaking regions, even when SFP strongly favors *any* kind of immigration.

SFP would want to train these immigrants to be Swedish speakers - which is a bit odd. Not speaking Finnish (nor English!) puts one in pretty weak position in Finland even if it's technically a bilingual country. It would "improve" statistics for Swedish speakers, but it would also make the immigrants very weak in the job market, dependent on the grace of other Swedish speakers. For some sectors like greenhouse farming, weak low-wage employees would be actually a benefit to SFP supporters. (These success-stories-turned-immigrant-abuse have been even shown on TV.) In some ways SFP probably trusts on others paying the bill with those they don't want to employ; since all services have to be bilingual and immigrant-gravitating regions (mostly Helsinki, Turku and Tampere) are regions of Finnish majority nowadays, they could just wait their failed "Swedish speaking" immigrants to move there, when they're unemployed. It wouldn't be their problem any more.

It's really fascinating that you accepts political views in Finland, do you have groups like EXPO who gets millions to follow, attack and destroy the lives of people who lacks political correctness. There are also many indications that EXPO and SÄPO(The Swedish secret service) are working together. EXPO has for example gotten information about private peoples SMS-traffic and what people buys for books online.

High-profile politicians in Perussuomalaiset have been under legal inquiry since the immigration policy critical movement gained strength, but results have been almost laughably weak, like fines of couple hundred euros. This is probably because previous president was very strong pushing people with unbelievably totalitarian-leftist attitudes in strong positions, but all of that couldn't have happened without acceptance by majority of ruling parties. Yet, situation in Finland seems to be dramatically better than in Sweden, and common folk has pretty strong freedom of opinion in practice.

I do have a less flattering theory why this is so, though: this political climate works since immigration is not the five-ton elephant in the room. It's just a 100 kg baby elephant. People can really think of doing things without taking the elephant into account on their every move, almost controlling all that they would do. There are situations where blaming immigration can be called to be rightfully off-topic. It would seem that margins for that are gone in Sweden, and reality-based speech has become impossibly hard to accept on political circles. After all, could a whole society choose wrong for decades and decades? "Surely not."

And last but not the least: these are my personal opinions, and I believe in every aspect I've written there's considerable leeway, even for writers on this forum. The funny part about politics is that people have differing opinions which may all be equally good even if they conflict. We just have to accept it, if we want to maintain an open-ended society. Maybe it's best not to have factually misinformed opinions (I bet I'm not perfect, but who is), but every subject should be open to debate, and open to policymaking through democratic representation. Fortunately that works at least to some extent in Finland.

Extremely interesting about SFP and other parts of the politics.

Concerning Åland, I think I will take a look and get off next time I go with "Finlandsfärjan". Would be really interesting to know what the sentiment on Ålands is towards the Swedish self destruction.

It's really good that the attacks on PS politicians have not paid off, in Sweden it always pays of. People are always taking back statements and leave their posts when there is for example a wrong word said. I understand them, you would never want to be public about these opinions in Sweden. Then your a "racist" and they can be injured badly or even killed without people even caring. Swedish schools are careful in teaching the students that fighting "racism" is like fighting hitler and mass murder.

Our prime minister Fredrick Reinfeldt during the last election said that "People who have things to do with Sweden Democrats can expect to get attacked in their homes and get badly injured." This was said in connection to an claimed attack against a Sweden Democrat where he was stabbed in his head.

[Eino P. Keravalta]

Hi Svensken, thank you for writing in this forum. I am Eino, living southern Finland in Kerava.

It saddens me a great deal to see the situation in Sweden, really. You see, for me Sweden has always been an admirable country and swedish people are without doubt among the most advanced ethnic groups in the whole world: you are innovative, intelligent, kind, fun loving, humane, talented and creative. The country you have built and created has been one of the best places on this planet and so it shocks me to see that your fellow citizens and politicians are ready to destroy it all within a generation or two. Losing traditional Sweden and it's culture is a terrible loss for all mankind. I cannot understand why something so great and beautiful must be turned into a living hell plagued with gangster morals, corruption, gang rapers, ghettos, ethnic violence and racism towards swedish people.

Maybe someday in the future ethnic swedes, finns, norwegians and danes create together a new Northern Paradise cherishing their own culture and values, living together in peace without the violence, chaos and poverty so embodied in many exotic cultures and traditions.

[Svensken]

How can you have a low self-esteem?
You survived a civil war, survived a war with Soviet Union and your country was one of the three in Europe that was not occupied(together with Britain and Soviet). You after that paid your war debt to the soviets on in scheduled time. After that you handled this dangerous neighbour you build up your country to be one of the riches in the world and now after all you are world leading in so many ways and one of the most important way is corruption. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index)

You are surely one of the best country and people in the world, how can you be so humble in front of your own superbness?
(This humbleness only makes you even better )

Yeah but we've lost to Sweden in ice hockey so many times.

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[Svensken]

Asta Tuominen:

Sweden is not much to for a union with I am afraid...

The car thing was more like Sweden, I understand this could scare people. And if they even fear losing their jobs we are talking the similar amount of oppression. But what is the difference between you and PS? I mean are they any reason for the crazy people to get more crazy over you, or is it just that you are a smaller group that more easily can be attacked?