Yleinen Israel/juutalaiset -keskustelu

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

Miten se antisemitiksi tekee jos tiedostaa faktoja millä jopa Israelin media kerskailee säännöllisesti?
Juutalaiset vaan haluaa pelata tuota "uhrikorttia" loputtomiin.

Esim. jos noita kysymyksiä katsoo:

Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust

Jos on sitä mieltä että kyllä niin miten se antisemitiksi tekee?

Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/to the countries they live in]

Niin yleensähän uskonnolliset on lojaaleja omalle kultilleen, riippumatta siitä mikä uskonto on...

Jews have too much power in the business world

On yleinen fakta että juutalaiset on tunnettuja bisnesmiehiä, se taas on sitten mielipidekysymys onko heillä liikaa valtaa, mutta kait sitä kateellisena voi näinkin asian nähdä, tekeekö se antisemiitiksi?

[Marija]

No ei tosiaankaan ole antisemitismiä arvostella myös juutalaisia tai Israelia sellaisista asioista, jotka todella vaativat arvostelua. Eivät he mitään erehtymättömiä yli-ihmisiä ole.

Nimenomainen juutalaisvastaisuus, että nimenomaisesti etsitään juutalaisista vain virheitä, tai tuodaan korostetusti esiin joitain heissä olevia arvosteltavia asioita, tällaista voi pitää antisemitisminä.

Sitten on erikseen antijudaismi, joka ei ole sama kuin antisemitismi. Judaismi on juutalaisen uskonnon teologia. Kristitty on epäilemättä antijudaisti, eli kiistää rabbiinisen juutalaisuuden teologian, mutta tästä ei seuraa, että hänen pitäisi samalla olla myöskin antisemitisti, eli ihmisinä juutalaisvastainen.

M. Luther oli vahvasti antijudaisti, mutta ei osannut erottaa tätä antisemitismistä. Siksi hän hölmöili joissain kirjoituksissaan.

[mikkoellila]

"An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated by Jews."

― Joseph Sobran

[Marija]

Arutz Sheva: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/180688#.U3sR9ShaZAc

"Bat mitzva", n. 12-13 vuotiaiden juutalaistyttöjen "ripillepääsyjuhla" (lain tyttö, tytär), pojilla bar mitzva.

MainNewsDefense/Security

Firebombs on Bat Mitzva Girls' Bus, Only Arutz Sheva Reports It

Four terrorists hurl firebombs at bus near Hevron, engulfing it in flames, but media ignores story, preferring to cover Jewish graffiti.

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By Gil Ronen
First Publish: 5/16/2014, 8:43 AM

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Firebomb attack (illustration) Flash 90

A well-planned firebomb attack on a bus full of Jewish school girls Tuesday could easily have ended in tragedy, but no news source even reported that it took place, except for the one you are currently reading – Arutz Sheva.

The girls were sixth-graders from a religious school in central Israel. They were on a bat mitzva tour of the Cave of Machpela in Hevron, a site recognized by the government as an official  heritage site, when four terrorists ambushed it with firebombs.

The mother of one of the girls, who was accompanying the trip, told Arutz Sheva that the ambush had been well planned. She described moments of horror when the firebombs exploded, one after the other, on the bus's windows, east of the Halhoul bridge, as the bus made its way back from Hevron.

"This was a bat mitzva trip that had been approved by the Ministry of Education, which included a visit to Rachel's Tomb. The buses were bulletproofed and had an armed guard," she said.

Chananel, the woman's son, whose sister had been on the bus, wrote on Facebook on Tuesday: "Three firebombs exploded on the bus. It was a direct hit. The bus was engulfed in flames and the girls and the mothers in the bus screamed, cried, leaned down toward the floor. There was a smell of burnt plastic.

"This time, it ended without injury. The driver stepped on the gas and the bus was fortified. The traumatic effects are not known at this point... I don't even want to write how it could have ended."

Alluding to the latest incendiary comments by leftist writer Amos Oz, he added: "Neo-nazis are not Nazis and Price Tag must be denounced and we are more moral and therefore a higher moral standard is required of us. Fine. But come on, we had better look reality in the eye and understand how twisted it all is. If I had doubts about the justness of the right wing struggle on this issue, then they are all gone. Leftists, media, government, army, Shin Bet and the other people living in a fantasy world – wake up."

No Israeli or foreign news source is known to have reported the incident. However, incidents involving graffiti by Jewish youths have been receiving front page coverage and government ministers have called for their classification as terror acts. Apparently influenced by Israeli media and politicians, the United States has also equated the Jewish nationalistic vandalism with terror.

Arutz Sheva was founded in 1988, after Rabbanit Shulamit Melamed experienced an attack on a bus she was in, and was shocked to hear the radio report about the event, which made it sound as if the Jews on the bus had been the attackers and not the victims. She turned to her husband, Beit El co-founder Rabbi Zalman Melamed, who established Arutz Sheva together with Beit El co-founder Yaakov "Ketzaleh" Katz.

The incident Tuesday in Hevron proves, sadly, that more than 25 years down the line, the problem that made Arutz Sheva necesary has only gotten worse.

[Taikakaulin]

Where is the REAL Apartheid in the Middle East?

So you heard that Israel is an Apartheid State?
Let's take a look at human rights in the Middle East.

[no future]

Where is the REAL Apartheid in the Middle East?

So you heard that Israel is an Apartheid State?
Let's take a look at human rights in the Middle East.

Ja toi videohan ei siis liittynyt mitenkään Israelin/Palestiinan konfliktiin. 

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

Residents of small Guatemalan town want Jews to leave

There are 10 Jewish families in San Juan La Laguna. Indigenous Mayans want to 'defend their rights' against the 'ill will' they're purportedly causing

BUENOS AIRES — Indigenous residents of San Juan La Laguna, a small town of under 10,000 in the Guatemalan state of Sololá, have asked members of the Jewish community — comprising 10 ultra-Orthodox families, most of whom arrived only recently — to identify themselves in a municipal registry and leave within the next few months.

The registry was established to verify whether immigrants from the Jewish community are legally in the country and where they are from, information which has not been asked of other foreigners granted temporary visas.

"We, as a local authority, have nothing against the Jewish community," city mayor Rodolfo López told The Times of Israel on Tuesday. "But every community, and especially ours, as indigenous Mayans, has very special customs and traditions and we have to defend our rights."

Residents have filed complaints with the municipality that the community of ultra-religious Jews have used a public body of water as a mikveh (ritual bath), practiced unhygienic rituals like kaparot (where a chicken is swung around a rabbi's head before being slaughtered), and made disparaging comments about immodesty to tourists.

According to the mayor, the indigenous population has also been suspicious since a Canadian couple accused of child abuse reportedly moved to San Juan La Laguna with their six children.

"There is almost every other religion here, and there have never been any problems. When they came, there started to be ill will," the mayor said of the Jewish families.

Members of the Orthodox community said that they do not bathe in front of others, and have been the target of verbal and physical attacks.

"I put myself in their place and perhaps they are right to feel scared because before we were two families and now there are 10. And seeing us with our traditional dress, which is black, out of devotion and humility, in the streets, may cause fear," said Misael Santos, in an interview with the newspaper Prensa LIbre.

Santos, a Guatemalan Christian who is converting to Judaism, said that residents uploaded photos of Hitler and said they would put members of the Jewish community in cremation ovens.

"They asked us to get out of town because they said that we kidnap children, and then added to the fire by saying the town would be invaded by Jews," he said.

After rocks hurled at his house broke windows and a firework bomb exploded nearby, Santos requested an urgent meeting with the city to discuss the attack and ask for security.

"At the meeting, a lady presented 300 alleged signatures, asking us to leave the village," he said to Prensa Libre. According to the mayor, the Jewish community was also told that other entities, not the local municipality, were the ones who provide security.

In a telephone interview with The Times of Israel, Santos was reluctant to speak and said there was tranquility in San Juan La Laguna.

"Some of us are foreigners, so they asked for ID," he said, "but we are living very peacefully."
http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-a-small-guatemalan-town-expelling-its-jews/

[Punaniska]

Israelin haredi-juutalaisia halutaan integroida Israelin yhteiskuntaan pakottamalla ne armeijaan. Haredi-juutalaiset on noin 10% Israelin juutalaisista ja 30% vastasyntyneistä, joten heidät halutaan kiivaasti integroida osaksi yhteiskuntaa, puolet heistä kun ei käy edes töissä vaan opiskelee kaiket päivät torahia.

Siinä vaiheessa kun tuon jengin määrä ylittää kriittisen rajan, käy Israelille huonosti. Ei kiinnosta armeija eikä työnteko, ja arabit eivät kaihda sotaa, kun katsovat sen mahdolliseksi. Kikkaratukat Itkumuurilla mutisevat omiaan kun vihollisen panssarit ajavat yli.

Jos tuota jengiä olisi ollut liikaa 1948, olisi Israelin valtio ollut olemassa ehkä kuukauden.

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

Israel's Kidnapped Boys Found Dead in Field

Israeli forces have identified the bodies of the three missing Israeli teens, ABC News, The New York Times and other international outlets are reporting.
The teens, who went missing in the Israeli-occupied West Bank on June 12, have been the subject of a massive search in recent weeks. Israeli forces have arrested hundreds of Palestinians in the course of the search.
The Times reports that senior government officials in Israel said military searchers found the three bodies buried "in a field near Hebron," a large West Bank city:
"They know it's the three, they will know for sure after they do the autopsy." The official said the three appeared to have been shot to death, likely "very close to the kidnap" time, and that the prime suspects had still not been caught.
A gag order in effect on Israeli media has meant that no Israel-based outlets have reported on the discovery of the teen's bodies. A press conference is scheduled for this afternoon, according to Tweets from reporters. New York Times Jerusalem bureau chief Jodi Rudoren tweeted that Israeli forces are blocking roads into and out of Hebron.

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Read more: http://forward.com/articles/201064/israels-kidnapped-boys-found-dead-in-field/#ixzz369H8vuxB

Jaahas, levottomuuksia luvassa.

[Ant.]

Jaahas, levottomuuksia luvassa.

Israelissa nuo tapetut nuoret sentään tiesivät viime hetkinään, että Israel kostaa heidän kuolemansa.

Kun Euroopassa muslimit joukkomurhaavat eurooppalaisia (kuten Lontoossa, Madridissa jne jne), uhrit voivat katsoa pilven reunalta, kuinka oman valtion johtajat ja media asettuvat murhamiesten puolelle ja vaativat suvaitsevaisuutta heitä kohtaan.

[Marija]

Langetkoon kirous Hebronin ja heidän murhaajiensa ylle.

[no future]

Jaahas, levottomuuksia luvassa.

Israelissa nuo tapetut nuoret sentään tiesivät viime hetkinään, että Israel kostaa heidän kuolemansa.

Kun Euroopassa muslimit joukkomurhaavat eurooppalaisia (kuten Lontoossa, Madridissa jne jne), uhrit voivat katsoa pilven reunalta, kuinka oman valtion johtajat ja media asettuvat murhamiesten puolelle ja vaativat suvaitsevaisuutta heitä kohtaan.

Missä on vaadittu terroristeille suvaitsevaisuutta? Olisiko Espanjan, Britannian etc (hyvä muuten tuo jne jne, koska euroopassa ei ole näiden lisäksi vakavaa muslimiterroria harjoitettu  ) pitänyt julistaa sota terroristien kotimaita vastaan? Tai Naton kauttahan molemmat tuota sotaa ovat jo käyneetkin...

[Marija]

The Jerusalem Post:  http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Shin-Bet-reveals-identity-of-two-main-kidnappers-360738

Shin Bet reveals identity of two main suspected kidnappers

By YAAKOV LAPPIN
06/26/2014 20:03

Hamas in Hebron members Marwan Quasma, 29, and Amar Abu Eisha, 32, are the kidnappers, intelligence agency says.

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Wanted for kidnapping: (left to right) Marwan Quasma and Amar Abu Eisha
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The Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) revealed on Thursday the identity of the two chief suspects wanted for involvement in the kidnapping of three Israeli youths earlier this month.

Both Marwan Kawasme and Amar Abu Aysha are from Hebron and longstanding Hamas members. The Shin Bet added that both were wanted as soon as security forces learned of the kidnapping.

"Since then, the Shin Bet and IDF have been carrying out a wide-scale search aimed at capturing the wanted suspects," the security agency stated. "The first aim is to track down the location of the abducted youths."

Eyal Yifrah, 19, and Naftali Fraenkel and Gil-Ad Shaer, both 16, went missing on the night of June 12 while hitchhiking outside a settlement in Gush Etzion, south of Jerusalem.

During a speech at a graduation ceremony for new air force pilots, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu related to the naming of the two suspects, saying he now expected Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas – whom he again pointedly praised for strongly condemning the kidnappings – to dissolve his recent pact with Hamas.

Kawasme, 29, was arrested in the past for Hamas-related activity. At 18 he was sentenced to 10 months in prison.

After his release he was arrested another four times, and on some of those occasions placed under administrative detention. When questioned in 2010, he confessed to having been recruited to Hamas's military wing in Hebron the year before, taking part in military training in caves in the area, and obtaining raw materials for the assembly of bombs. He also took part in the recruitment of other Palestinian youths to Hamas.

Abu Aysha, 32, was first arrested in November 2005 and placed in administrative custody until June 2006. He was rearrested for a short time in April 2007. His brother was killed in November 2005 while trying to hurl an explosive device at soldiers.

Security forces, including the police's elite YAMAM counter-terrorism unit, arrested several suspects in recent days on suspicion of being involved in the kidnapping.

A senior security source told The Jerusalem Post that the Shin Bet confirmed the identity of the two suspects within 24 hours of the kidnapping.

He stressed the fact that both were in administrative detention in the past. The additional suspects who have been arrested by security forces are part of the Hamas infrastructure in Hebron, and are suspected of playing a role in the kidnapping, the source said.

Ahmed Kawasme, a relative of one of the suspects and a member of a large West Bank family estimated to number 10,000 people, said the clan represented all lines of political thought.

"I personally am against such acts because our political leaders have chosen the path of peace with Israel," he told Maariv-Sof Hashavua, a sister publication of The Jerusalem Post.

"We all must adhere to the way of peace that our leaders chose," Kawasme said. "Most family members concur with my view, but there are those who think differently."

The end point of Operation Brother's Keeper, launched by the IDF two weeks ago in an effort to retrieve the three Israelis and arrest their kidnappers, is clear. But when that point will be reached continues to be an unknown, a senior officer in the Paratroopers Brigade told the Post on Thursday.

Maj. Ran Friedman, deputy commander of the brigade's 101st Battalion, said his men had been carrying out searches for the missing youths in the Judea region, Gush Etzion and around Hebron in recent days.

"We've been searching villages at night, and turning over every stone to find them. On the way, we've found additional things," Friedman said, adding that soldiers from the 101st Battalion arrested several Hamas member this week and recovered a firearm and ammunition.

"I don't know if this will contribute to the general [intelligence] picture," he said, "but we want to contribute anything we can to the mission."

The paratroopers have encountered minor resistance along the way because we come with large forces and arrive covertly at a village at night," Friedman said.

"When we do encounter resistance we know how to keep it within reasonable proportions and not get involved in a complex incident," he continued.

"This involves non-lethal riot-dispersal techniques when needed, and an intelligent use of force. We don't escalate where we don't have to, and we are aggressive where we have to be."

Friedman said his soldiers were ready for the scenario of finding the hiding spot where the youths are being held.

"I hope this privilege falls into our hands," he said. "We have drilled for this possibility. We are ready for all scenarios, and we are able to deal with them in the most professional manner."

The 101st is one of four paratrooper battalions operating in the West Bank, with the entire brigade having been deployed.

"This is a brigade-wide operation. That hasn't happened in a while," Friedman said.

The deputy battalion commander recalled how his forces trained two weeks ago, returned to their homes for weekend leave and then were quickly mobilized to the West Bank after the kidnappings.

"Since then it's been non-stop for two weeks. We will continue to do whatever is necessary until the mission's goal is completed," he vowed.

"I don't remember a period when the soldiers were so highly motivated and wanted to take part in missions so much," he continued. "They insist on being involved in missions even when told that they can't take part. Hardly anyone has gone home in the past two weeks."

Despite the uncertainty about how long the operation might drag on, Friedman said he and other paratrooper commanders were experienced in open-ended missions.

"In Operation Cast Lead [in 2009] and the Second Lebanon War [in 2006], we knew how to enter, but it wasn't clear when we would exit," he explained. "As paratroopers we hold long exercises simulating the fog of battle and ambiguity. From our perspective, we are ready for the long-term."

Meanwhile, security forces arrested 10 Palestinian suspects overnight between Wednesday and Thursday in the West Bank.

During one raid in the village of Samua in the southern Mount Hebron region, a Hamas member who attempted to flee while ignoring calls to halt by the elite unit that had come to arrest him was shot and seriously wounded. He was taken by the army to hospital.

One of the suspects, arrested in Bethlehem, is a member of Hamas's military wing and was involved in a recent drive-by shooting on an IDF position near the city, the army said, adding that he was also involved in an attempt to run over soldiers in recent days. During searches of his home, troops recovered a handgun and ammunition.

Soldiers encountered some disturbances during the raids in villages such as Beit Umar, near Hebron.

Security forces also conducted searches of 133 sites in the West Bank overnight, a senior security source said.

Meanwhile, a Palestinian who was seriously wounded during clashes last week with the IDF in Kalandia, north of Jerusalem, has died of his wounds. A total of five Palestinians have been killed in clashes with the army since the start of the operation to retrieve the three abducted Israeli youths.

Herb Keinon contributed to this report.

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[Marija]

RT:  http://rt.com/news/169812-jerusalem-arab-teen-kill/

​Arab teen kidnapped and killed in Jerusalem in suspected revenge attack
Published time: July 02, 2014 05:52
Edited time: July 02, 2014 10:51

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Relatives and friends gather around a grave, as Gilad Shaer, 16, Naftali Frenkel, 16, and Eyal Ifrach, 19, are buried side-by-side in the central Israeli town of Modiin on July 1, 2014. (AFP Photo / Jack Guez)


Israeli police are investigating the death of an Arab teenager, whose body was discovered in a forest near Jerusalem. He may have been kidnapped in a revenge attack after three Israeli teenagers were found dead after an apparent abduction.

The body of Muhammad Hussein Abu Khdeir, 17, was charred and bore signs of violence. It was found hours after police were informed of a youth being forced into a car in a Palestinian neighborhood of East Jerusalem, according to Israeli media.

Israeli Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the youth was possibly kidnapped. Police later "discovered a body in the Jerusalem forest and were looking to see if there was a connection between the missing youth and the body that was found," he said as cited by Reuters.

Dozens of angry Arabs held a rally in in the neighborhood of Shuafat, where the alleged kidnapping happened, and clashed with Israeli security forces early Wednesday after the news of the killing broke. Many of them are convinced that the boy was abducted and killed in a revenge attack, a version reportedly being investigated by police.

It comes after radical Israelis held protests on Tuesday, blaming the government for not responding properly to the apparent kidnapping and killing of three Israeli youths, who were buried on Tuesday. The crowd was chanting slogans such as "Death to the Arabs" and "No Arabs, no terror attacks." At least 47 of them were detained by the police.

Smaller incidents of anti-Arab violence were reported in Jerusalem on Tuesday as well, including an attempted attack of a masked man on an Arab McDonald's patron.

Daleen Elshaer ‏@daleen_elshaer

Mohammed Abu Khader ,17, was tortured, killed, & burned by Israeli settlers #PalUnderAttack pic.twitter.com/ZwKJvyzx4V

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Tällaista kostoa ei kyllä voi hyväksyä edes vihamiehelleen.

Tarinasta puuttuu kuitenkin se, mitä kolmelle juutalaispojalle oli tehty arabien toimesta, mahd. samoin. Siltikään, en itse, kuten varmasti ei suurin osa israelilaisistakaan hyväksy tällaista tekoa.

Mutta, juutalaiset kostavat aina heihin kohdistuneet, varsinkin rasistiset / sotilaalliset murhat. Giladin, Naftalin ja Eyalin murhaajat tiesivät tämän, jo tehdessään.

[jmm]

Daleen Elshaer ‏@daleen_elshaer

Mohammed Abu Khader ,17, was tortured, killed, & burned by Israeli settlers #PalUnderAttack pic.twitter.com/ZwKJvyzx4V

Tällaista kostoa ei kyllä voi hyväksyä edes vihamiehelleen.

Yritin etsiä tietoa tästä tapauksesta. Eräällä foorumilla väitettiin, että kyseessä saattaa olla kunniamurha pojan seksuaalisen suuntautumisen takia.

Kannattanee odottaa kunnes tekijöistä saadaan tarkempaa tietoa.

[Marija]

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http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Netanyahu-calls-on-police-to-quickly-find-culprits-motive-for-murder-of-Arab-youth-361251

Netanyahu calls on police to quickly find culprits, motive for murder of Arab youth
By JPOST.COM STAFF, BEN HARTMAN
07/02/2014 13:11

Prime minister warns against vigilantism amid Palestinian claims that murder of east Jerusalem youth was a revenge attack for kidnap and murder of 3 Israeli teens; Abbas calls for PM to directly condemn murder.

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Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. Photo: AVI OHAYON - GPO


Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu called for law enforcement  to work as quickly as possible to find the perpetrators and motives of the "reprehensible" murder of an Arab youth whose body was found in Jerusalem on Wednesday.

The premier attempted to calm  tensions amid rioting in east Jerusalem,  calling on all sides not to take the law into their own hands. He emphasized  that Israel is "a nation of laws and everyone must act according to the law."

Related:
Hundreds of Arabs riot across Jerusalem after Palestinian teen found murdered
The body of an Arab youth was found in the Jerusalem Forest near a gas station on Wednesday morning.  Palestinians believe the youth was kidnapped from Beit Hanina on Tuesday night.

Police said that they were yet to determine whether the boy's killing was nationalistic or criminal in nature, while Palestinian rioters believe he was killed by Israelis as revenge for the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas called on Netanyahu to make an outright condemnation of the killing of the Arab youth, Palestinian news agency Ma'an reported.

Abbas demanded that Netanyahu denounce what he said was the kidnapping and murder of the 16-year-old. He also blamed the current atmosphere of tensions in the region on Israel, calling for "real action" to prevent attacks by settlers.

The Palestinian leader said that Netanyahu should condemn the murder of the Arab youth, just as Abbas had condemned the recent kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens.

After the body of the teenage boy was found on Wednesday, National Police Commissioner Yochanan Danino said authorities will not allow civilians to take the law into their own hands and the public must practice restraint in these days of tension and violence.

The volatile potential of the crime - which has still not been proven to be nationalist - was evident in statements police made to the press on Wednesday.

Police said they had increased their level of readiness across the country, in particular around "areas of tension" between Arabs and Jews, such as mixed-cities in the Northern and Coastal districts.

That said, Tel Aviv Police said they have not taken any special measures or that they expect any incidents in the Jaffa-Bat Yam area, which has been the site of violent clashes in the past.

[Marija]

Joo. Laitoin The Jerusalem Postin logon näkyville. Ei sitte... 

[Onkko]

Marija voisit laittaa linkit noihin uutisiis ja lyhyesti selostaa mistä on kyse, ei kai tämä ole mikään "kopioi uutisia tänne".

[Marija]

No, mutta noinhan muutkin tekevät. Yhtälailla löytyy pitkiä lainauksia ja vielä isompiakin kuvia. En minä mitä tahansa "uutisia" kopioi tänne, vaan ainoastaan asiaan liittyviä.

[Miniluv]

Marija voisit laittaa linkit noihin uutisiis ja lyhyesti selostaa mistä on kyse, ei kai tämä ole mikään "kopioi uutisia tänne".

Tästä on sanottu hänelle.

[Marija]

The Jerusalem Post: http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Father-of-slain-Palestinian-from-east-Jerusalem-I-feel-like-I-lost-my-boy-361350

Father of slain Palestinian from east Jerusalem: My boy was killed in revenge
By JPOST.COM STAFF
07/03/2014 10:26

Hussein Abu Khdeir remains convinced that his son was murdered in revenge for the deaths of three Jewish teenagers in the West Bank.

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Suha, mother of Mohammed Abu Khudair, shows a picture of her son on her mobile phone at their home in Shuafat. Photo: REUTERS

The father of a Palestinian teen who was abducted and killed in Jerusalem on Tuesday remains convinced that his son was murdered in revenge for the deaths of three Jewish teenagers whose bodies were found in the Hebron area on Sunday.

"My son went to the mosque for morning prayers," Hussein Abu Khdeir, the father of Muhammad Abu Khdeir, told Army Radio on Thursday. "Two people got out of a car, took him, kidnapped him, forced him into the car, and sped away. We have their picture and their license plate number. We called the police right away, and we told the police that we know where he is because he has a cell phone, and they did nothing."

"I feel as though I lost my boy," he said. "He was an excellent student. He loved a lot of people and they loved him. There are a lot of people in my house right now, maybe a thousand."

Just after noon on Wednesday, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's Office issued a statement saying Abu Khdeir's killing was a "reprehensible murder."

Netanyahu asked Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch to ensure that law-enforcement works as quickly as possible to investigate the boy's death.

The prime minister called "on all sides not to take the law into their own hands," and remarked that "Israel is a nation of laws and everyone must act according to the law."

The Palestinian Authority charged that Jewish extremists had killed Abu Khdeir in an act of revenge for the murder of the three Israeli youths.

Poikaparka.

[Onkko]

Marija voisit laittaa linkit noihin uutisiis ja lyhyesti selostaa mistä on kyse, ei kai tämä ole mikään "kopioi uutisia tänne".

Tästä on sanottu hänelle.

Edelliseen viestiin viitaten unohditko kertoa "lyhyesti selostaa" kohdan?

[Marija]

Marija voisit laittaa linkit noihin uutisiis ja lyhyesti selostaa mistä on kyse, ei kai tämä ole mikään "kopioi uutisia tänne".

Tästä on sanottu hänelle.

Edelliseen viestiin viitaten unohditko kertoa "lyhyesti selostaa" kohdan?

Mikä nyt on vikana? Ed. lainaus on lyhyt, eikä sitä tarvitse "selostaa". Joka ymmärtää englantia, osaa itse lukea asian. Joka ei osaa, voi käyttää googlekäännöstä. Toin suoran tiedonannon ja surmatun arabipojan isän haastattelun. Äidin valokuva on linkin takana.

Isä kertoo: "Minun poikani meni moskeijaan aamurukoukseen, kertoi surmatun isä (nimi) Armeijaradiolle torstaina. Kaksi ihmistä tuli autolla, kaappasi hänet, pakotti autoon ja kaahasi nopeasti pois. Meillä on heidän kuvansa ja auton rekisterinumeronsa. Me soitimme välittömästi poliisille ja me kerroimme poliisille missä hän on, sillä hänellä on matkapuhelin, mutta he eivät tehneet mitään.

.... Hän oli loistava opiskelija. Hän rakasti suuresti ihmisiä ja he rakastivat häntä. Täällä on paljon ihmisiä, kotonani juuri nyt. Ehkä tuhat ihmistä...."

Netanyahu on pyytänyt kansallista turvallisuusministeriä, Yitzhak Aharonovitzia tekemään kaikkensa pojan kuoleman selvittämiseksi...

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Marija voisit laittaa linkit noihin uutisiis ja lyhyesti selostaa mistä on kyse, ei kai tämä ole mikään "kopioi uutisia tänne".

Tästä on sanottu hänelle.

Edelliseen viestiin viitaten unohditko kertoa "lyhyesti selostaa" kohdan?

Mikä nyt on vikana? Ed. lainaus on lyhyt, eikä sitä tarvitse "selostaa". Joka ymmärtää englantia, osaa itse lukea asian. Joka ei osaa, voi käyttää googlekäännöstä. Toin suoran tiedonannon ja surmatun arabipojan isän haastattelun. Äidin valokuva on linkin takana.

Isä kertoo: "Minun poikani meni moskeijaan aamurukoukseen, kertoi surmatun isä (nimi) Armeijaradiolle torstaina. Kaksi ihmistä tuli autolla, kaappasi hänet, pakotti autoon ja kaahasi nopeasti pois. Meillä on heidän kuvansa ja auton rekisterinumeronsa. Me soitimme välittömästi poliisille ja me kerroimme poliisille missä hän on, sillä hänellä on matkapuhelin, mutta he eivät tehneet mitään.

.... Hän oli loistava opiskelija. Hän rakasti suuresti ihmisiä ja he rakastivat häntä. Täällä on paljon ihmisiä, kotonani juuri nyt. Ehkä tuhat ihmistä...."

Netanyahu on pyytänyt kansallista turvallisuusministeriä, Yitzhak Aharonovitzia tekemään kaikkensa pojan kuoleman selvittämiseksi...

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Lyhyt selostus uutisesta mitä lainaat.
Lyhyesti se mistä on kyse eikä mitään "kato vitu googlesta" avautumisia.

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Äärijuutalaiset tunnustivat palestiinalaisnuorukaisen kidutusmurhan.

Three of the six young Jewish extremists arrested in the murder of Muhammad Abu Khdeir in Jerusalem last week have confessed and reenacted the crime, an Israeli official said Monday.

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/1-of-6-Jewish-nationalist-arrested-confesses-to-Jerusalem-revenge-killing-of-Arab-teen-361687

Noilla sadistimurhaajilla ei ole mitään eroa äärimuslimeihin.

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Yhtä asiaa en ole vielä tajunnut, että miksi Israel jatkaa siirtokuntien rakentamista palestiinalaisalueille? Vai onko kyseessä vain se, että maa kuuluu heille ja piste?

[Marija]

Äärijuutalaiset tunnustivat palestiinalaisnuorukaisen kidutusmurhan.

Three of the six young Jewish extremists arrested in the murder of Muhammad Abu Khdeir in Jerusalem last week have confessed and reenacted the crime, an Israeli official said Monday.

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/1-of-6-Jewish-nationalist-arrested-confesses-to-Jerusalem-revenge-killing-of-Arab-teen-361687

Noilla sadistimurhaajilla ei ole mitään eroa äärimuslimeihin.

Mitä ihmeen "äärijuutalaisia"? Huomautin tuosta sanasta jo IS:lle. Jos joku suomalainen tappaa maahanmuuttajia, miltä tuntuisi jos ulkomailla kerrottaisiin äärisuomalaisten olevan murhien takana?

Kyseessä oli israelilaiset natsit, nationalistit, eikä heidän uskonnollisuutensa järin ihmeellistä ole, jos ovat juutalaisia ollenkaan. Samalla tavoin, kuin Suomeen tuli inkeriläisten siivellä venäläisiä maahanmuuttajia, samaten Israeliin on muuttanut niin NL:n aikaan, kuin nyt uuden Venäjän aikaan "juutalaisia", joiden juutalaisuus on monilla sitä, että joku isoisoisä mahdollisesti oli juutalainen, tai sitten ei. Nuo Israelin nationalistit, eli natsit ovat pääasiassa Venäjän nashi-nuoria, rotukiihkoilijoita, jotka kohdistavat rasismia myöskin juutalaisiin ja ovat jo kauan olleet riesa Israelin viranomaisille.

Myöskin mm. haredi-juutalaisista kirjoitetaan mediassa "äärijuutalaisina". Tässä kohdin on kysymys tiukimmasta ortodoksijuutalaisuudesta, eikä heillä ole mitään tekemistä noiden nimenomaisten natsien kanssa. Juutalaisuudessa on lukuisia erilaisia lahkoja ja poliittisia kuppikuntia.

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Äärijuutalaiset tunnustivat palestiinalaisnuorukaisen kidutusmurhan.

Three of the six young Jewish extremists arrested in the murder of Muhammad Abu Khdeir in Jerusalem last week have confessed and reenacted the crime, an Israeli official said Monday.

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/1-of-6-Jewish-nationalist-arrested-confesses-to-Jerusalem-revenge-killing-of-Arab-teen-361687

Noilla sadistimurhaajilla ei ole mitään eroa äärimuslimeihin.

Mitä ihmeen "äärijuutalaisia"? Huomautin tuosta sanasta jo IS:lle. Jos joku suomalainen tappaa maahanmuuttajia, miltä tuntuisi jos ulkomailla kerrottaisiin äärisuomalaisten olevan murhien takana?

Huomauta ennemmin  Jerusalem Postille. Se käyttää ilmaisua: "Jewish extremists". Tuolle "äärijuutalainen" on aivan luonteva käännös.

[Marija]

Tuon sanan voisi kääntää "juutalainen äärijärjestö".

Tällöin se kertoisi sen, että kyseessä ovat juutalaiset, sekä juutalaiskansan sisällä toimiva tietty äärijärjestö. Mutta itse juutalaisuuteen, uskontoon ja kansaan nähden ei kyseessä ole mikään äärijuutalaisuus, eli esim. jokin juutalaisen uskonnon äärimmäinen ilmentymä.

Haredit ehkä ovat "äärijuutalaisia", sillä he edustavat ortodoksijuutalaisuuden kenties tiukinta ryhmää.

Israelin natsit ovat itseasiassa myös sikäli juutalaisvastaisia, että he väittävät olevansa muita juutalaisia korkeampaa rotua ja käyttäytyvät rasistisesti Israelin "alempia juutalaisia" kohtaan. Tuo "korkeampi rodullisuus" siis heidän mielestään tulee kirkkaasta venäläisestä verestä.

Ei heti uskoisi.

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Tuon sanan voisi kääntää "juutalainen äärijärjestö".

Tällöin se kertoisi sen, että kyseessä ovat juutalaiset, sekä juutalaiskansan sisällä toimiva tietty äärijärjestö. Mutta itse juutalaisuuteen, uskontoon ja kansaan nähden ei kyseessä ole mikään äärijuutalaisuus, eli esim. jokin juutalaisen uskonnon äärimmäinen ilmentymä.

Haredit ehkä ovat "äärijuutalaisia", sillä he edustavat ortodoksijuutalaisuuden kenties tiukinta ryhmää.

Israelin natsit ovat itseasiassa myös sikäli juutalaisvastaisia, että he väittävät olevansa muita juutalaisia korkeampaa rotua ja käyttäytyvät rasistisesti Israelin "alempia juutalaisia" kohtaan. Tuo "korkeampi rodullisuus" siis heidän mielestään tulee kirkkaasta venäläisestä verestä.

Ei heti uskoisi.

Pitkälti samaa mieltä. Edes haredit eivät ole minusta "äärijuutalaisia", koska moni muu vakavasti juutalaisuuden ottava näkee asiat aivan toisin. Omasta näkökulmastani Jeesus on tavallaan ainoa "äärijuutalainen", koska täytti lain. Kaikki muut epäonnistuvat. "Äärijärjestöt" on parempi ilmaisu. Toki samaa ajattelua voidaan soveltaa islamiin. Tosin ilmaisu "äärimuslimi" varmaan sopii Muhammediin ja kaverit, jotka matkivat häntä ovat juuri niitä, joita otsikoissa näemme. Ehkä on niin, että koko "ääri"-liite on hieman epäonnistunut.