Ask Svensken

[ike60]

Nice your greens have some kind of feeling for dignity any way. Sweden is a full time circus and a big joke!

You probably didn't notice that I had a question at the end:

Svensken, could you elaborate on the context in which the heads of the Green party blurted the quotation "saying that ANY problems at all come from immigration is evil and wrong"? I would also be grateful for the names of the persons and the exact quotation in Swedish - I have a hunch that this can become a classic.

[Svensken]

Nice your greens have some kind of feeling for dignity any way. Sweden is a full time circus and a big joke!

You probably didn't notice that I had a question at the end:

Svensken, could you elaborate on the context in which the heads of the Green party blurted the quotation "saying that ANY problems at all come from immigration is evil and wrong"? I would also be grateful for the names of the persons and the exact quotation in Swedish - I have a hunch that this can become a classic.

Sorry, I missed your question.
Here is the information:
Åsa Romson and Gustav Fridolin are the "spokes persons"(literary translation reads "spokes pipes")
said in a interview in Dagens Nyheter that "blaming sinking grades in schools or unemployment on immigration is so wrong and it will create a policy where person is put against person." I had the notion that there somewhere else spoke about immigration and housing shortages also, but I could not find that source.

This is just some of the most highlighted problems of immigration. But the Greens want to shut their own friends in the government up even though they are just stating facts in some rather not tabu-questions. If these are not OK to discuss and to see by the greens no other problems will be ok either.

This is problems that our current mass immigration government has stated them selves because these problems are caused at least party by immigration. They are not going to stop immigration or rewind it in any way. They are just trying to make the wheels of destruction work a bit more efficient by address obvious problems caused by immigration.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/regeringen-krattar-manegen-for-sd

[Svensken]

Do you have "a Finn, a Swede and a Norwegian" -jokes over there? (Nationalities would maybe ordered differently, though.)

Do you think they might be replaced in future with "Finnish Mohamed, Swedish Mohamed and Norwegian Mohamed" -jokes?

We have like norwegian and some, like "Why dont they have doors on Norwegian toilets? The dont want to take the risk of someone looking through the keay hole." Then we also have jokes like "Norsken, dansken och Bellman(Swed)." But they are not like about typical national things, just silly.

I've heard you have loads of swedish jokes?
I would love to get many of hem here, in PM or get a link to some site with swedish jokes

There is a stereotype of Swedish men being sort of gayish by their metrosexual appearance. Many jokes are about that.

Examples:
- Two Swedish couples were bored with their sex lives and decided to do some partner swinging. They got together and did what they planned to do in separate rooms. During the session one of the women started wondering aloud: "I wonder how the boys are doing?"

- Why there is always one man and woman officer in a Swedish police car? To avoid workplace romances.

- Pekka had been on short trip in Stockholm and so totally drunk he didn't remember anything of it. One thing he mentioned: It's strange that you only get a headache after memory loss drinking anywhere except Sweden, there you get aching ass as well..

These are the best, we should really do a book about these in Swedish

[Svensken]

Ulkopuolinen:
I really like your spirit when it comes to the oppressors in media and politics.

Thanks.

Think about that "self esteem as a socio meter" -view and after thinking it think again consentrating in empowerment processes. If self esteem is a socio meter, what is the cure to low self esteem and what double standards system does to molested part of society?

Very interesting to learn about "the big guns"

305 Obuhovs in Porkkala really were guns against Finlands Capital = gun in our head.

Those guns have been made to destroy ships in the sea, tens of km:s away. Hitting Helsinki was like targetting barn door at 2 meters with shotgun.

Helsinki had a carrison in Santahamina. If Obuhovs were targetede there, it would have been in quite bad shape.

Helsinki had some stationary coastal artillery. No match for Obuhovs.

With Obuhovs and a lot of smaller artillery in Porkkala Helsinki was in very unprotected situation against russian naval forces and/or landing.

In military perspective Finland is an island if we must protect ourselves against Russia/Soviet Union. (Yeaah... Thanks Sweden...) When Soviet Union had Porkkala with Obuhovs and other artillery and heavy naval forces and they had Kaliningrad and Estonia and... Finland really had a knife pressed against throat. Swedes should allways remember that about us.

We put between a rock and a hard place in both political and military perspective.

I am so sad that we did not enter the war on your side. Better to have people killed and to bleed for you in a war of meaning and go down in history as a people who helped their brothers.

Instead we are getting killed and are bleeding in a war against our selves and we will go down in history as one of the first countries who exterminated them selves by self hatred.

I will always remember what you did and all the suffering you went through.

[Svensken]

Could you told about swedish schools and pre-schools sexual-neutral education? What kind of methods they use to grow pupils? Boys in pink dresses and girls with lorrys or what's going on in swedish schools?     

The pre-shools in Sweden are all forced to work for "equality" which means to try making boys and girls the same(without operation and hormones). First the literature has changed. The old books about princes, knights and boys doing adventures have been taken out and replaced by correct books. If there is a male knight in a new children's book he now days has of course to be a homosexual or at least black.

They are also getting boys to wear dresses, this is not forced but encouraged. They are feminizing the boys trying to make girls more boy like. But the political schooling in the Swedish pre-schools  are also about loving multi culture and as I said before, to promote "other sexual preferences". There has also been projects in Sweden trying to sexualize  children by making "Fuck-cottages" in the pre-school.( http://www.rfsu.se/fi/Sex-och-politik/Ottar/Ottar-arkivet/Ottar-2005/Ottar-nr-2-2005/Lat-barnen-leka-sex/
https://biblioteket.stockholm.se/titel/793516) 

[Ördög]

Hej, Svensken, och känn dej som hemma på Homma!

Jag ska inom kort övergå till engelska, det språk som merparten av skribenterna på det här forumet trots allt föredrar. Men mina första ord till dej vill jag författa på vårt gemensamma modersmål, ärans och hjältarnas språk.

Jag hoppas att du lärt dej ett och annat om Finland i den här tråden, om de inte alltid lättbegripliga språkförhållandena, och om det dilemma man som finlandssvensk med så att säga "okonventionella" åsikter ofta ställs inför. Du har kunnat ta del av Svenska folkpartiets invandringspolitiska program och säkert känt rättmätig förvåning och oförståelse över de teser som läggs fram där.

Anyway, there's a significant number of Swedish-speaking Finns and even SFP voters who don't share these views. To get a clue of what they may think, I recommend you to follow the website of Hufvudstadsbladet, Finland's largest Swedish daily. Even if its politically correct line makes it more or less an equivalent of Dagens Nyheter or Sydsvenskan, the commentary policy is very open. All articles about immigration, multiculturalism and Islam generate dozens of comments from ordinary readers, and as long as you avoid personal abuses or rude words, even very critical viewpoints are allowed.
Read, for instance, these articles from the second half of 2012, and especially the comments!

Invandrare vill gärna bo bland finländare (Artikel från 5.9.2012)
http://hbl.fi/lokalt/2012-09-05/invandrare-vill-garna-bo-bland-finlandare
(Lägg märke till den intervjuade Saif Aydars minnesvärda fras Vi vill inte att det uppstår slumkvarter här som i Sverige.)

"Hatretoriken mot islam måste utmanas" (Artikel från 9.9.2012)
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-09-09/hatretoriken-mot-islam-maste-utmanas

Helsingfors tampas med gettoisering (Artikel från 27.11.2012)
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-11-27/helsingfors-tampas-med-gettoisering-0

Antirasisterna vaknar (Kolumn av Maria Wettlöserstrand från 6.12.2012)
http://hbl.fi/i-dag/2012-12-06/antirasisterna-vaknar

Your recent post, about gender equality in Swedish schools, made me immediately think of what I  heard on the radio this morning. (Yle is, as you maybe know, our national broadcasting company, with news in Swedish as well.)

http://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2013/01/02/karjalainen-konsstereotypier-under-lupp-i-skolbocker

I've been a registered member at this forum for a number of years, but I've written almost nothing. Som någon form av nyårslöfte har jag föresatt mej att hemsöka forumet lite oftare än förr, och även skriva några rader då och då.

Annars har jag varit medlem på Flashback i snart elva år, och inhämtar där varje dag nya fakta om allt möjligt. Nog är du väl aktiv där också?

[Tuju]

An armed conflict in Sweden I think would be possible (if ever which I doubt) in the far future and then its very hard to say who would be able to "get the guns" so to say. But while the rest of society falls in complexity and quality so would also the military and it's protection of it's installations.

Hmmm... has there ever been discussion in Sweden that immigrants would have stolen army's guns?

[Svensken]

Hej, Svensken, och känn dej som hemma på Homma!

Jag ska inom kort övergå till engelska, det språk som merparten av skribenterna på det här forumet trots allt föredrar. Men mina första ord till dej vill jag författa på vårt gemensamma modersmål, ärans och hjältarnas språk.

Jag hoppas att du lärt dej ett och annat om Finland i den här tråden, om de inte alltid lättbegripliga språkförhållandena, och om det dilemma man som finlandssvensk med så att säga "okonventionella" åsikter ofta ställs inför. Du har kunnat ta del av Svenska folkpartiets invandringspolitiska program och säkert känt rättmätig förvåning och oförståelse över de teser som läggs fram där.

Anyway, there's a significant number of Swedish-speaking Finns and even SFP voters who don't share these views. To get a clue of what they may think, I recommend you to follow the website of Hufvudstadsbladet, Finland's largest Swedish daily. Even if its politically correct line makes it more or less an equivalent of Dagens Nyheter or Sydsvenskan, the commentary policy is very open. All articles about immigration, multiculturalism and Islam generate dozens of comments from ordinary readers, and as long as you avoid personal abuses or rude words, even very critical viewpoints are allowed.
Read, for instance, these articles from the second half of 2012, and especially the comments!

Invandrare vill gärna bo bland finländare (Artikel från 5.9.2012)
http://hbl.fi/lokalt/2012-09-05/invandrare-vill-garna-bo-bland-finlandare
(Lägg märke till den intervjuade Saif Aydars minnesvärda fras Vi vill inte att det uppstår slumkvarter här som i Sverige.)

"Hatretoriken mot islam måste utmanas" (Artikel från 9.9.2012)
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-09-09/hatretoriken-mot-islam-maste-utmanas

Helsingfors tampas med gettoisering (Artikel från 27.11.2012)
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2012-11-27/helsingfors-tampas-med-gettoisering-0

Antirasisterna vaknar (Kolumn av Maria Wettlöserstrand från 6.12.2012)
http://hbl.fi/i-dag/2012-12-06/antirasisterna-vaknar

Your recent post, about gender equality in Swedish schools, made me immediately think of what I  heard on the radio this morning. (Yle is, as you maybe know, our national broadcasting company, with news in Swedish as well.)

http://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2013/01/02/karjalainen-konsstereotypier-under-lupp-i-skolbocker

I've been a registered member at this forum for a number of years, but I've written almost nothing. Som någon form av nyårslöfte har jag föresatt mej att hemsöka forumet lite oftare än förr, och även skriva några rader då och då.

Annars har jag varit medlem på Flashback i snart elva år, och inhämtar där varje dag nya fakta om allt möjligt. Nog är du väl aktiv där också?

Very interesting to see the "normal" swedish-speaking side of it. They seems mainly quite agitated about the immigration situation. Its really cool to see that you still have the possibility to comment articles in Finland. Very few media allows it today, even if people are forced to use their real name.

[Svensken]

An armed conflict in Sweden I think would be possible (if ever which I doubt) in the far future and then its very hard to say who would be able to "get the guns" so to say. But while the rest of society falls in complexity and quality so would also the military and it's protection of it's installations.

Hmmm... has there ever been discussion in Sweden that immigrants would have stolen army's guns?

No, I don't think there i a big risk of immigrants steeling guns today. We have quite few guns and they are stored in secure places, for now. And looking at robberies like the recent one in Södertälje were a robber where shot in the head. There they used AK-47 which is not a swedish army weapon.

[Lisä-Tuomas]

Hello Svensken,

I'd like to elaborate on a question already presented here.

As we know, one of the traditional stereotypes of Sweden includes the "culture of eternal discussion". I call this sentiment "the political culture of a Viking-ship": there, you couldn't have anyone later challenging the decisions made (for instance, heading to France or Frisia instead of England). So, everybody had to be committed to the goals taken, and with time, this sentiment rooted itself in Sweden and manifests itself today as the culture of lengthy discussions where decisions are taken only after full certainty of the participants' commintment.

My original question was: Exactly why and how could immigation policy escape this rooted mentality of decision-making in Sweden?

The why part is answered, the political monopoly ("democratorship") of the social democrats, but to my glimpse of the thread the how-section isn't.

By a slight exaggeration, it would be more understandable if Woden had commanded multiculti to the Swedes than that a political party could move a question from the sphere of political argumentation to the garden of taboos. So how was this accomplished?

[I only read the first ~10 pages, so if you already have an answer in length, please feel free to refer to it.]

[Emo]

Svensken, tell about those two armed robberies (Södertelje and Täby) and especially the discussion about them in swedish media. Is public opinion on the policemen's side?

We have also here a long discussion about this subject, but it is in finnish:

http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,78471.0.html

[Svensken]

Hello Svensken,

I'd like to elaborate on a question already presented here.

As we know, one of the traditional stereotypes of Sweden includes the "culture of eternal discussion". I call this sentiment "the political culture of a Viking-ship": there, you couldn't have anyone later challenging the decisions made (for instance, heading to France or Frisia instead of England). So, everybody had to be committed to the goals taken, and with time, this sentiment rooted itself in Sweden and manifests itself today as the culture of lengthy discussions where decisions are taken only after full certainty of the participants' commintment.

My original question was: Exactly why and how could immigation policy escape this rooted mentality of decision-making in Sweden?

The why part is answered, the political monopoly ("democratorship") of the social democrats, but to my glimpse of the thread the how-section isn't.

By a slight exaggeration, it would be more understandable if Woden had commanded multiculti to the Swedes than that a political party could move a question from the sphere of political argumentation to the garden of taboos. So how was this accomplished?

[I only read the first ~10 pages, so if you already have an answer in length, please feel free to refer to it.]

I as a swed do not feel this cultural thing of lengthy discussions to be really true, maybe it was like that more before, but today this is only done if the line of the rulers are sure to win. Free discussion are today very dangerous because a lot of people think in "the wrong way." 

But if we assume that you are right in your argument that we at least used to have lengthy discussions about all. The question of immigration was just avoided. In the beginning when the immigrants were very few people were critical they were called names and told to shut up "We just have to help these people." The whole media and school system were and still are full of radical people. Believing in multiculturalism, genus and hate against the white man. These people very thoroughly made sure that no discussion would be held.

In large portion this was obtained by using the atrocities in the second world war to show that intolerances was viewed as being semi-nazi. If you spoke out against immigration you were considered a "hater" a "nazi" and more. This might be why Sweden for a while had the worlds largest nazi ratio pro capita in the whole world. Because all the people who were critical against the immigration was directly pushed a side and marginalized. These people than became even more frustrated and could more easily be recruited in the nazi-groups. The establishment in Sweden have never of course acknowledged this, that it might have been them radicalising a lot of people, specially young people.

The last question about political taboo I did not really understand, please clarify    

[Svensken]

Svensken, tell about those two armed robberies (Södertelje and Täby) and especially the discussion about them in swedish media. Is public opinion on the policemen's side?

We have also here a long discussion about this subject, but it is in finnish:

http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,78471.0.html

The Kurd Hassan, who was shot in the head was using a fake rifle and pointing it towards the police, who with all right opened fire.

Not all are of course liking this situation, so now there is going to be a demonstration in the centre of Stockholm against the police action. To quote the main slogan from the Facebook page: "We all know it's wrong to rob, but shooting people in the head is not okay either."

[Svensken]

Not all are of course liking this situation, so now there is going to be a demonstration in the centre of Stockholm against the police action. To quote the main slogan from the Facebook page: "We all know it's wrong to rob, but shooting people in the head is not okay either."

They miss the point that that guy did not get shot for robbing.

The point I think is that he was a tanned Kurd and the one who shot him was a white swed, what more is required to start an out cry?

[Emo]

In case a criminal has a gun looking like AK-47, police must do something very quickly. There is no time to think and talk and wonder what to do.

[Svensken]

In case a criminal has a gun looking like AK-47, police must do something very quickly. There is no time to think and talk and wonder what to do.

I think the most sweds agree with you, but we have a growing proportion that do not see it like that. Criminals are people to care for, specially when they are not white.   

[J. Lannan haamu]

Dear Svensken,

Have you read the book(s) Svensk Maffia?

[wannabe]

Dear Svensken,

what do you think about the freedom of education (state school/private school/homeschool) in general,
and the case of Dominic Johansson http://friendsofdomenic.blogspot.fi in particular?

[Svensken]

Dear Svensken,

Have you read the book(s) Svensk Maffia?

Yes I have read the book, but it was long time ago. What in it did you think about in particular?

[Svensken]

Dear Svensken,

what do you think about the freedom of education (state school/private school/homeschool) in general,
and the case of Dominic Johansson http://friendsofdomenic.blogspot.fi in particular?

Not being able to home school your children in Sweden is horrible. The Swedish school is the worst place to put your children. If they don't get robed, beaten, stupified, gendrefied or PC-fied they at least have a very very boring time with very bad teachers. In Sweden they really want to force your children to lean the new thinking of the new sweden.

I know nothing about the child you linked to, but the swedis state is in many cases behaving very badly.

[Emo]

Dear Svensken,

what do you think about the freedom of education (state school/private school/homeschool) in general,
and the case of Dominic Johansson http://friendsofdomenic.blogspot.fi in particular?

Not being able to home school your children in Sweden is horrible. The Swedish school is the worst place to put your children. If they don't get robed, beaten, stupified, gendrefied or PC-fied they at least have a very very boring time with very bad teachers. In Sweden they really want to force your children to lean the new thinking of the new sweden.

I know nothing about the child you linked to, but the swedis state is in many cases behaving very badly.

I know some families (moved from Sweden to Finland) whose children go to school here in Finland now, and these parents think that Finnish schools are very demanding compared to Swedish schools.

Are you aware of that because home schools are forbidden in Sweden, some Swedish families have moved to Åland as they want their children to go to home schools. I understand that home schools are forbidden because the state wants to brainwash every child! And I think that will be the same also in our country in the near future.

[J. Lannan haamu]

Dear Svensken,

Have you read the book(s) Svensk Maffia?

Yes I have read the book, but it was long time ago. What in it did you think about in particular?

Well, to me that book was an eye-opener. In terms of how the (east) European groups of people have been able to establish such a strong organized crime units in Sweden. Not only the motorcycle gangs, but merely people from Jugoslavia and Turkey plus some other countires. I was surprised that it is possible for them to operate such way without getting caught. For example Denho Acar, the leader of Original Gangsters. He just puts videos to youtube where he is having a holiday on a cruise ship and firing a real assault rifle. Then again if I'm correct they actually send him out of Sweden. Plus all the other stuff that is going on. Even if it doesn't affect the 'normal citizens', but the fact that there is such behaviour and business going on in Sweden, feels bad. Then again, we have our stuff as well but it is rather small-scale in comparison to the stuff you have in Sweden.

[Svensken]

Dear Svensken,

what do you think about the freedom of education (state school/private school/homeschool) in general,
and the case of Dominic Johansson http://friendsofdomenic.blogspot.fi in particular?

Not being able to home school your children in Sweden is horrible. The Swedish school is the worst place to put your children. If they don't get robed, beaten, stupified, gendrefied or PC-fied they at least have a very very boring time with very bad teachers. In Sweden they really want to force your children to lean the new thinking of the new sweden.

I know nothing about the child you linked to, but the swedis state is in many cases behaving very badly.

I know some families (moved from Sweden to Finland) whose children go to school here in Finland now, and these parents think that Finnish schools are very demanding compared to Swedish schools.

Are you aware of that because home schools are forbidden in Sweden, some Swedish families have moved to Åland as they want their children to go to home schools. I understand that home schools are forbidden because the state wants to brainwash every child! And I think that will be the same also in our country in the near future.

The schools are of course more demanding in Finland, because they are really good and educate the children. In Sweden political education is the most important aspect of swedish schools. Learning the official state ideology of the glories of mass immigration radical feminism and the destruction of norms is where our tax moneys are put.

Sadly this education sticks badly in the immigrant children, they mostly stick to gangster moral and "might is right" thinking. This is though not seen as such a big problem.

They reported on SVT a while ago about families moving to Åland, so I am aware about it.

[Svensken]

Dear Svensken,

Have you read the book(s) Svensk Maffia?

Yes I have read the book, but it was long time ago. What in it did you think about in particular?

Well, to me that book was an eye-opener. In terms of how the (east) European groups of people have been able to establish such a strong organized crime units in Sweden. Not only the motorcycle gangs, but merely people from Jugoslavia and Turkey plus some other countires. I was surprised that it is possible for them to operate such way without getting caught. For example Denho Acar, the leader of Original Gangsters. He just puts videos to youtube where he is having a holiday on a cruise ship and firing a real assault rifle. Then again if I'm correct they actually send him out of Sweden. Plus all the other stuff that is going on. Even if it doesn't affect the 'normal citizens', but the fact that there is such behaviour and business going on in Sweden, feels bad. Then again, we have our stuff as well but it is rather small-scale in comparison to the stuff you have in Sweden.

30 years ago we had almost no maffia at all in Sweden, now we have a lot of it. It's really nice that you have understand the situation in Sweden. Most people that is a bit older in this country still think that they live in the old nice gangster free Sweden. They will because of this work against any kinds of change of the current situation.

[Emo]

They reported on SVT a while ago about families moving to Åland, so I am aware about it.

How this was reported? In the neutral way? Or disapproving?

[Lisä-Tuomas]

...

I as a swed do not feel this cultural thing of lengthy discussions to be really true, maybe it was like that more before, but today this is only done if the line of the rulers are sure to win. Free discussion are today very dangerous because a lot of people think in "the wrong way." 

But if we assume that you are right in your argument that we at least used to have lengthy discussions about all. The question of immigration was just avoided. In the beginning when the immigrants were very few people were critical they were called names and told to shut up "We just have to help these people." The whole media and school system were and still are full of radical people. Believing in multiculturalism, genus and hate against the white man. These people very thoroughly made sure that no discussion would be held.

In large portion this was obtained by using the atrocities in the second world war to show that intolerances was viewed as being semi-nazi. If you spoke out against immigration you were considered a "hater" a "nazi" and more. This might be why Sweden for a while had the worlds largest nazi ratio pro capita in the whole world. Because all the people who were critical against the immigration was directly pushed a side and marginalized. These people than became even more frustrated and could more easily be recruited in the nazi-groups. The establishment in Sweden have never of course acknowledged this, that it might have been them radicalising a lot of people, specially young people.

The last question about political taboo I did not really understand, please clarify

So, in short words, you think the public opinion was "taken captive" by the left-wing side, and the conservatives were in opposition for such a long time they could not make their opinion heard until the general opinion as already "contamined" by the long dominance of  leftists?

I'll try to explan a little on the later comment.

Normally, political questions are seen to be within the sphere of evereday politics; to be debated, argumented on, and decisions are made after considering the pro and contra of choises available. I presume that, for instance, economic policy is debated in this way.

Immigration policy, then, seems to be a quite different story. It is not within this "sphere of political discussion". On the contrary, if one expresees disagreement, contrary arguments to the present policy, or that there might be problems involved in the choices made, I've understood that you rapidly are seen as right-wing extremist in Sweden.

So, arousing any discussion about immigration policy seems to be a taboo, in comparison to any other line of policy in the society. Any protagonist questioning it is easily seen as the Evi litself.

That's what I meant when noting that immigration policy in Sweden doesn't seem to be within the field of political discussion - rather included in the taboos of the society - something holy, not to be touched, not to be questioned. And this is achieved by something as mundane as a political party, not a religious authority...   

So, do you have an idea why any reference to instrumental rationality (nyttorationalism, hyötyrationalismi in Finnish) seems to be entirely absent when discussing the foreigner policy in Sweden? It seems that they say you're denying the equal worth of every citizen (mänskovärde) if you make any notion that all the immigrants are not really contributing to the comon good.

For us Finns, it is still legitimate to debate from the point that the immigrants should contribute something to the Finnish society. Raising such a question among us is - at least not yet - seen as a sacrilege. Do you think it is such in Sweden?

[JoKaGO]

Här fann jag information som berör det du frågade om bidragen: (For all the people who don't speak swedish this is about how much money you get as a immigrant in sweden.)
Sedan etableringsreformen trädde i kraft får en nyanländ arbetslös invandrarmamma med tre barn följande bidrag varje månad.

6 510 kr i etableringsersättning
4 500 kr i etableringstillägg
4 500 kr i bostadsbidrag
3 754 kr i barnbidrag
2 546 kr i underhållsstöd

= 21 810 kr i månaden skattefritt.

Utöver detta har invandraren rätt till:

259 200 kr i retroaktiv föräldrapenning

12 000 kr i skattefri SFI-bonus.

Invandraren kan själv välja i vilken takt föräldrapengen ska betalas ut. SFI-bonusen betalas ut vid avklarad kurs.

Inget av ovanstående bidrag kan dras in för att invandraren vägrar att ta ett erbjudet jobb.

Jävla skitprat! Säg du lurar oss! Annars är det alltför surt åt mig! 

[Elemosina]

Hi Svensken,

Have You heard about blog Framtidsland? Now HBL (Hufvudstadsbladet) here in Finland has..
http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2013-01-16/aland-framstalls-som-framtidsland-rasister

Åland framställs som framtidsland för rasister

Vill ni slippa mångkultur och flyktingar? Flytta till Åland! Så lyder budskapet i bloggen Framtidsland som skrivs av en svensk rasist som flyttat till Åland.

Diskussionen om Åland som ett paradis för svenskar som tröttnat på mångkulturalismen startade på internetforumet Flashback där extrema åsikter inte rensas bort. I september 2009 skrevs inlägget om flytten och samtidigt informerades läsarna om att rasisten startat bloggen Framtidsland.

Sedan dess har Ålands målats upp som mer eller mindre ett paradis i bloggen med få mörkhyade människor, låg inkomstskatt och många lediga jobb.

Dessutom diskuteras möjligheterna att snabbt få hembygdsrätt och köpa sig en villa med sjötomt. Den låga brottsligheten och de låga skatterna hyllas och ålänningarna framställs som ett hjälpsamt folk.
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http://hbl.fi/nyheter/2013-01-16/aland-framstalls-som-framtidsland-rasister

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They reported on SVT a while ago about families moving to Åland, so I am aware about it.

How this was reported? In the neutral way? Or disapproving?

It was actually reported in a neutral way, but the family that was interviewed were full blooded hippies. I can image this did it's part to the way the reporter behaved.

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I as a swed do not feel this cultural thing of lengthy discussions to be really true, maybe it was like that more before, but today this is only done if the line of the rulers are sure to win. Free discussion are today very dangerous because a lot of people think in "the wrong way." 

But if we assume that you are right in your argument that we at least used to have lengthy discussions about all. The question of immigration was just avoided. In the beginning when the immigrants were very few people were critical they were called names and told to shut up "We just have to help these people." The whole media and school system were and still are full of radical people. Believing in multiculturalism, genus and hate against the white man. These people very thoroughly made sure that no discussion would be held.

In large portion this was obtained by using the atrocities in the second world war to show that intolerances was viewed as being semi-nazi. If you spoke out against immigration you were considered a "hater" a "nazi" and more. This might be why Sweden for a while had the worlds largest nazi ratio pro capita in the whole world. Because all the people who were critical against the immigration was directly pushed a side and marginalized. These people than became even more frustrated and could more easily be recruited in the nazi-groups. The establishment in Sweden have never of course acknowledged this, that it might have been them radicalising a lot of people, specially young people.

The last question about political taboo I did not really understand, please clarify

So, in short words, you think the public opinion was "taken captive" by the left-wing side, and the conservatives were in opposition for such a long time they could not make their opinion heard until the general opinion as already "contamined" by the long dominance of  leftists?

I'll try to explan a little on the later comment.

Normally, political questions are seen to be within the sphere of evereday politics; to be debated, argumented on, and decisions are made after considering the pro and contra of choises available. I presume that, for instance, economic policy is debated in this way.

Immigration policy, then, seems to be a quite different story. It is not within this "sphere of political discussion". On the contrary, if one expresees disagreement, contrary arguments to the present policy, or that there might be problems involved in the choices made, I've understood that you rapidly are seen as right-wing extremist in Sweden.

So, arousing any discussion about immigration policy seems to be a taboo, in comparison to any other line of policy in the society. Any protagonist questioning it is easily seen as the Evi litself.

That's what I meant when noting that immigration policy in Sweden doesn't seem to be within the field of political discussion - rather included in the taboos of the society - something holy, not to be touched, not to be questioned. And this is achieved by something as mundane as a political party, not a religious authority...   

So, do you have an idea why any reference to instrumental rationality (nyttorationalism, hyötyrationalismi in Finnish) seems to be entirely absent when discussing the foreigner policy in Sweden? It seems that they say you're denying the equal worth of every citizen (mänskovärde) if you make any notion that all the immigrants are not really contributing to the comon good.

For us Finns, it is still legitimate to debate from the point that the immigrants should contribute something to the Finnish society. Raising such a question among us is - at least not yet - seen as a sacrilege. Do you think it is such in Sweden?

My opinion is that there is no problem having refugees that cost money. When people flee from war and oppression they can not always be of use to the host country. This said there is still no discussion about how we could help as much people as possible. The UN tells us that we could help about 100 people in refugee camps for every single refugee we have in Sweden.(But the one here will have luxurious standard and be able to get brainwashed Swedish girls.)

If you criticise immigration what so ever you are quite sure to get in trouble. If you do it repeatable times your a evil racist.