Ask Svensken

[elukka]

Dear Svensken,

I don't know if you are a troll or not.

In that case if you are a that good guy from Sweden that you seems to be, you are most welcome into Finland as a guest or refugee, when this multi-culti goes too far in Sweden.

Even if you have a good service in Swedish in Finland I strongly recommend you to learn at least little bit of Finnish, if you were refugee from Sweden....

[Svensken]

Individual lunatics are reoccurring event in politics. In Swedish system the big money and small family circkles of power remain. The whole point of swedish political system is to make sure ordinary swedish people are bombarded constantly with "pseudo news" of royal family and football.  if we strip swedish news from royal and football news, we are left with nothing but commercial annonucements.

When one thinks of female politician who apparently quite seriously suggests a male tax, we are not in a parody horizon. This just goes to show how a system has enabled throroughly insane person to institutionalize utter inequality through equal means. Can happen to any country with state sponsored media apparatus and that media having a political agenda. With suggestions like hers I can understand why Sweden is key ground to organisations like al quaida and other extreme islamic groups. In cultural reality what else there is but islamic retaliation?

Why Sweden has retarded to such level an why it keeps spreading through media criminals such as allers? Obviously the point being money. Those with money choose to keep it an prevent 'have not's' from gaining it. That is why media keeps bombarding people with pseudo news an blatant propaganda lies. It helps to maintain financial an political power within the small family circkles.

A very good example of complete and utter swedish media crap is the princess Madeleine wedding. Underneath the royal wedding brewhaa swedish people are happy to ignore tons of gangrape, unemployment and mismanagement news. It is a custom swedish people choose. Or media has chosen it for them for so many years that they find it impossible to picture true political power being in limelight. Like how much money a family like Wallenbergs made through immigration and what it costed to the state? in Finland there are uber rich families as well who are keen to exploit immigration at expense of wellfare state. Luckily there are no royal smokescreen to cover up the aftermath. Not that finnish press didnt have interest to cover up mismanagement and fraudulent immigration.

How is it with "Genus/gender theory" and radical feminism in general in Finland?

You are all wrong about the news in Sweden!
Except from sports and the royal family we have news about how horrible it is with all the swedish racists and how poor children comes to sweden from all over the world in need of protection. There are tons of news about how needed the immigrants are and how we would die directly without them. We also hear about gender schools were boys are taught to like dresses and pink. Just look at SVT and you will see the great varieties of the politicly balanced media

[foobar]

How is it with "Genus/gender theory" and radical feminism in general in Finland?

I think any kind of radical feminism doesn't have a majority support among Finns. Attempts towards actions such as quotas for less-presented gender in various (but not all) organisations is silently tolerated by the majority, but that's it. There's no trouble for regular people (aka. not employed by Green party or some minority lunacy ombudsman office) stating that quotas are rubbish, and distort natural competition between the competent. News of male tax and such stuff is often viewed as some sort of entertainment, "look at them Swedes, they're at it (saving the world from imaginary problems) again!"

At least this is the situation in my circles. People I know tend to be right-leaning, entrepreneurs, blue collar workers or equipped with university-level hard sciences education. Not entirely representative of Finns, but I guess still represents real taxpayers quite well.

[Svensken]

Dear Svensken,

I don't know if you are a troll or not.

In that case if you are a that good guy from Sweden that you seems to be, you are most welcome into Finland as a guest or refugee, when this multi-culti goes too far in Sweden.

Even if you have a good service in Swedish in Finland I strongly recommend you to learn at least little bit of Finnish, if you were refugee from Sweden....

I don't know how to prove that I am not a troll but even if I sometimes write things a bit to dramatic I have still given you loads of links to information about the situation. If you want more links I would be happy to provide it.

I mean everything I say, maybe sometimes I have overstated some small things but in general this i my opinions and they are not something that I am trying to fool you with. For example; Our prime minister mr Reinfeldt has said that people who associate with Sweden Democrats can expect to get stabbed or killed. Why would a person who likes Sweden and just want to lie a lot tell you this totally horrible fact. Here is an article from SD where they ask Reinfeldt to explain what he meant http://www.mynewsdesk.com/se/pressroom/sverigedemokraterna/pressrelease/view/reinfeldt-maaste-foerklara-sitt-uttalande-om-det-politiska-vaaldet-aakesson-kraever-svar-fraan-statsministern-472764

I am very happy for your invitation, I will do my best here in Sweden, but if we really lose (which the coming ten-twenty years will decisively show) I will really consider it. But for me to have anywhere to flee you guys have to put in another gear to save your country.

[gloaming]

Kanske är det bättre att skriva på engelska att så många som möjligt kan delta.

How is it with "Genus/gender theory" and radical feminism in general in Finland?

Well, the public laughs at these idiots while the press by-and-large worships them. For a politician it is not possible to criticize their follies unless you want to be labeled as a misogynist and an oppressor of the weak by the press. They have a steady foothold in the academia where you either condone them or you are done with your career.

edit: In other words, it is the same story as with (ideological) multiculturalism.

[foobar]

Kanske är det bättre att skriva på engelska att så många som möjligt kan delta.

How is it with "Genus/gender theory" and radical feminism in general in Finland?

Well, the public laughs at these idiots while the press by-and-large worships them. For a politician it is not possible to criticize their follies unless you want to be labeled as a misogynist and an oppressor of the weak by the press. They have a steady foothold in the academia where you either condone them or you are done with your career.

It is true that press is almost exclusively in support for leftist lunatics... and that the people in general show sympathy to people that the "progressive" press wants to bash. For politicians it may be hard to be against things like gender quotas, but they know very well that it doesn't bode well in next election to be eager supporter of such concepts. With exception of Greens and maybe the Left Alliance, voters tend to be much less interested in imposing this kind of limits than what journos are.

[Svensken]

foobar, gloaming :
In Sweden radical feminism is in its quotations form (people saying what they said on TV) very spread. The problem is very seldom their view in them selves because they are often very illogical and right out stupid. There would be very little problem to explain for these people what they are doing wrong (even if you stick to their own universe of views).

The problem though, because there is a major problem with these people, is that you are not allowed to discuss with them. They very fast goes crazy and even if you would be able to explain things to them they will not allow you. We have no what so ever public and open discussion about radical feminism and gender studies. In sweden there is a very spread facebook group called "White oppressed men". Its created by a Kurdish man who does his best of shutting the mouth of every one who disagrees with the whole PC-project. He recently got a person to shut his blogg and then say something like: "I will not any longer be into politics discussions because I am afraid and tired." It's this type of fascism in a pink dress that really scares me!

Do the feminists in Finland allow you to discuss their views in TV etc?

[Svensken]

Greetings to Svensken also on my behalf,

To answer your question "How are the normal finns reacting to the fact that Sweden is becoming a gansterland?"

Very often I discuss these matters with my relative who has lived in Stockholm for 30 years. I am somewhat aware of the 'development' that has taken place in such places like Husby, Rinkeby, Hallonberget or many other places in Stockholm. It is my Finnish and Swedish friends living in Stockholm, who are being told (by immigrants) to fuck off and go home (??). What impudence, what liberalism...

Now to give one form of answer to that question. I am sorry to say this, and this opinion is very much only my individual opinion, but I believe that 'normal Finns' do not know shit about the problems of the world. Not environmental problems, not socio-cultural problems or not economical problems. However, they do know more than probably majority of people in general . You see many of us Finns tend to have a symptom of not wanting or not caring about these dark matters. Many times those people who are interested in Sweden, they are Finnish hipsters who just want to visit the fancy cafes and clothes stores in Södermalm. Södermalm is of course a nice place, but many Finnish want to take the nice stuff out of Sweden and totally ignore the existence of any negative aspects. Especially since at the moment it is a huge hype to be interested in 'exotic' and 'rootsy' people. How could they possess any sort of negative impacts...

So the normal people are not aware of what is going on in Sweden. I have many times tried to encourage to read the book 'Svensk maffia' or sending them articles etc. But nothing changes...

So where it all boils down to, in my opinion it is the mind-set of people. Psychological and biological mindset that prevents them to address the problems. And this mind-set of theirs is very, very difficult to change because their huge ego is protecting it.

Vi hörs!

I really like your answer, extremely finnish, straight forward and strong
I really hope that finns are at least grumpy enough to think living with the half of africa and the middle east sounds like a very bad idea.

[Lemmy]

Lemmy, Asta Tuominen, P:

It's really interesting that there is some kind of sentiment by people that the swedish-finns are "Better people". SFP seems to have something to take care of when it comes to "racism". Why does not finnish news write about this double standard?

Guess who owns it?

[Svensken]

Lemmy, Asta Tuominen, P:

It's really interesting that there is some kind of sentiment by people that the swedish-finns are "Better people". SFP seems to have something to take care of when it comes to "racism". Why does not finnish news write about this double standard?

Guess who owns it?

Sanoma and Bonnier?
I just looked it up: (http://www.ejc.net/media_landscape/article/finland/)

[Lemmy]

I am really sad that we did not help you out in the war.

Well, some of you did actually
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svenska_frivilligk%C3%A5ren
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_19_Finland
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svenska_frivilligbataljonen

But of course we like to rip you 
http://youtu.be/pw3e64sosEg

[foobar]

Do the feminists in Finland allow you to discuss their views in TV etc?

I think situation regarding "feminist" development in Finland is largely in a "trench warfare" phase. Neither side can expect to gain considerable success by stronger push. I think there are occasional debates on gender quotas (lately, on boards of privately owned companies - that's what they're mostly pushing) or income equality ("inequality" which usually disappears if statistics are normalized regarding the field and level of expertise and such). It seems relatively unlikely that feminists would reach any "big wins" in close future. There certainly are loonie feminists in the public, but by no means public opinion is such that they would have some sort of last expert say on how things should be done.

Discussion on television and the press might be a bit muted, but it's well present in public blogs, and as far as I know, even people blogging with their own name haven't got threats on this regard.

[Lemmy]

Guess who owns it?

Sanoma and Bonnier?

Exactly. And Sanoma is owned by Swedish-speaking foundations like Kulturfonden. Follow the money someone once said. And whose bread you eat their songs you sing said another.

The only "independent" media left is some marginal publication like the crime magazine "Alibi". There used to be some "scandal magazines" that had this "investigative journalism" streak in the 60's and 70's but they've lost their touch since.

[Lemmy]

I really like your answer, extremely finnish, straight forward and strong

Yes, we don't "diskutera" much, its "management by perkele". In my former company the Swedes always got upset the Finns wanted a meeting to make a decision, not to discuss.

[Svensken]

I really like your answer, extremely finnish, straight forward and strong

Yes, we don't "diskutera" much, its "management by perkele".

The notion that Sweden is some kind of Democratic utopia where everything has to be discussed and then voted for is not true. There are many discussions, but its mostly not ok to be to negative or differ much from the group(read group leaders). Sweden may many times look democratic and speak democracy but it very seldom acts or lives it.

"Fascism in a pink dress and with a catchy song" is a very good description of Sweden.

[gloaming]

Do the feminists in Finland allow you to discuss their views in TV etc?

In reality, they are not that considerable a political force to reckon with. In general they don't get much network time for their agenda apart from in the cultural magazine shows (yes, the cultural elite is exclusively red-green in Finland as well), which really is fringe TV ratings wise.

As foobar mentioned, they try to push for quotas in the boards of private companies and for something they call "wage equality" which is just another word for socialism as that "equality" would not compensate for performance, hours spent, how demanding the task is, or the level of expertise or experience, all of which are self-evident drivers of wage disparity.

Further, now that we no longer have a leftist female president to champion their cause, I'm quite sure that they are looking at more meager times.

[gloaming]

The notion that Sweden is some kind of Democratic utopia where everything has to be discussed and then voted for is not true.

I visit Sweden many times a year and I have relatives there - which is the case for most Finns I think - and I feel very much at home in Sweden, at least in the parts which have not been turned into third world hellholes.

Although the Finns and the Swedes are very much alike for obvious historical reasons, there is a clear difference in the male culture between the two countries. In the Finnish male culture (and consequently the society) there is a perception of who possesses fundamental power and who is powerless and that this setup is demonstrated by force if necessary. Thus the weak should have no misconceptions about their weakness. This is (usually) not communicated explicitly but it is clearly present in the undercurrents of both small (for example family) and large (society) scale social interaction. This mentality is not stringent nor generally oppressive, quite the opposite, it has a delicate sense of justice. It does not interfere with the organization of the society testified by the fact that we are extremely organized. However, there is a line that you do not cross without risking your future. Most people and groups in Finland have a reasonably good understanding where this line lies and in the interest of self preservation avoid crossing it. There are several small (numerous family incidents) and large (civil war) scale examples in the history where the line has been tested and the punishment has usually been harsh (loss of life or permanent loss of health). This mentality is inherently incompatible with the new left ideas like radical feminism and third world multiculturalism.

[Emo]

I really like your answer, extremely finnish, straight forward and strong

Yes, we don't "diskutera" much, its "management by perkele". In my former company the Swedes always got upset the Finns wanted a meeting to make a decision, not to discuss.

There is no more time for "diskutera". Especially not in Sweden.

[-PPT-]

Exactly how did this woman from the Centre-Party think of how to support 40 million people in sweden, no matter what race or nationality they are? I think she is forgetting the latitudes Sweden is located on.

[siviilitarkkailija]

Exactly how did this woman from the Centre-Party think of how to support 40 million people in sweden, no matter what race or nationality they are? I think she is forgetting the latitudes Sweden is located on.

I don't think her forgetting anything. She has no idea but that is not her point. Her interest was to make her name known by suggesting something utterly stupid even if it has devastating effect. It is quite common phoenomenon with leftist-green politics to pursue agenda without slightest chance of success or sense.

In urban and industrialized countries with long tradition of wellfare services provided by state, percentage of voters without any idea of how to make money or work is stabile 10-20 %. These are people who are not only unemployed but proud. And they have made career out of blaming, lying and spending. Politicians like this literally insane centerparty woman are not stupid. They go and advertice literally insane ideas simply because they know their supporters. People who don't think but feel and act on feelings. In Finnish green party there are plenty of equally stupid and irresponsible people who don't mind even a war as long as it has ecological or enviromental aspect.

[Svensken]

The notion that Sweden is some kind of Democratic utopia where everything has to be discussed and then voted for is not true.

I visit Sweden many times a year and I have relatives there - which is the case for most Finns I think - and I feel very much at home in Sweden, at least in the parts which have not been turned into third world hellholes.

Although the Finns and the Swedes are very much alike for obvious historical reasons, there is a clear difference in the male culture between the two countries. In the Finnish male culture (and consequently the society) there is a perception of who possesses fundamental power and who is powerless and that this setup is demonstrated by force if necessary. Thus the weak should have no misconceptions about their weakness. This is (usually) not communicated explicitly but it is clearly present in the undercurrents of both small (for example family) and large (society) scale social interaction. This mentality is not stringent nor generally oppressive, quite the opposite, it has a delicate sense of justice. It does not interfere with the organization of the society testified by the fact that we are extremely organized. However, there is a line that you do not cross without risking your future. Most people and groups in Finland have a reasonably good understanding where this line lies and in the interest of self preservation avoid crossing it. There are several small (numerous family incidents) and large (civil war) scale examples in the history where the line has been tested and the punishment has usually been harsh (loss of life or permanent loss of health). This mentality is inherently incompatible with the new left ideas like radical feminism and third world multiculturalism.

This post gave me massive insight in finnish culture in a way I have not gotten before, thanks alot!

[Svensken]

Exactly how did this woman from the Centre-Party think of how to support 40 million people in sweden, no matter what race or nationality they are? I think she is forgetting the latitudes Sweden is located on.

They tell us that we earn money from getting immigrants, they cost a little bit in the beginning but then you make a huge profit. So we would just be extremely wealthy. And the most important thing that they tell us often "There is much room in Sweden."

[siviilitarkkailija]

eer...forum moderator gives you ban for gay-disco related topics. They are tired for the gay related issues as feelings tend to boil over and attacks turn personal insults. 

general rule of thumb, all matters gay, ask svensken....

[Svensken]

eer...forum moderator gives you ban for gay-disco related topics. They are tired for the gay related issues as feelings tend to boil over and attacks turn personal insults. 

general rule of thumb, all matters gay, ask svensken....

Interesting, I did not know this. I deleted the post, so this kinds of topics are very infected in Finland?

[AstaTTT]

^ Religions (except sometimes islam), gays, abortion, euthanasia and Ilkka Partanen are the topics to avoid if you want to keep in good terms with the moderators. 

[foobar]

^ Religions (except sometimes islam), gays, abortion, euthanasia and Ilkka Partanen are the topics to avoid if you want to keep in good terms with the moderators. 

Well... mandatory Swedish in school is also one. There *can* be reasonable on-topic discussion on these topics (as you've seen), but discussions have a habit of deteriorating quickly...

[Svensken]

^ Religions (except sometimes islam), gays, abortion, euthanasia and Ilkka Partanen are the topics to avoid if you want to keep in good terms with the moderators. 

Understood
Whats about Ilkka?

[gloaming]

Interesting, I did not know this. I deleted the post, so this kinds of topics are very infected in Finland?

Nah, not really, but we do get our fair share of bigotry from different religious and/or just otherwise ignorant homophobes. The topic itself is hardly interesting these days.

[AstaTTT]

^^ Cannot answer - otherwise I'll be banned!1!! 

[Everyman]

Guess who owns it?

Sanoma and Bonnier?

Exactly. And Sanoma is owned by Swedish-speaking foundations like Kulturfonden.

Umm no, not really. It isn't. Not unless you stretch the truth pretty creatively.