Tilanne kuumenee Ukrainassa (Katso ohjeet alusta!)

[Nuivanlinna]

Mitä ihmettä ne sillä Kuznetzovilla Mustalla merellä tekisivät, maatukikohtia piisaa. Ihmeitä ei taida sillä tehdä Syyriankaan rannoilla, käsittääkseni ei oikein mainittavaa ammuskuormaa saa alle koneisiin kiitos katapultinpuutteen. Tai sitten lennetään vajailla kerosiineilla, ei hyvä sekään.

Jospa myyvät sen Erkalle? Hänhän suunnitteli tukialuksen ostoa.

[f-35fan]

Mitä ihmettä ne sillä Kuznetzovilla Mustalla merellä tekisivät, maatukikohtia piisaa. Ihmeitä ei taida sillä tehdä Syyriankaan rannoilla, käsittääkseni ei oikein mainittavaa ammuskuormaa saa alle koneisiin kiitos katapultinpuutteen. Tai sitten lennetään vajailla kerosiineilla, ei hyvä sekään.

Jos hiukan luit tarkemmin niin kysymys on koko flotillasta eikä yksinomaan Kuznetsovista.
Silloin kun Ukrainassa lähdetään sotimaan niin yksi kaikkein tärkein asia on sulkea maan pääsy Mustalle merelle. Silloin merellistä voimaa pitää olla riittävästi vastustaviin valtioihin nähden.

Puhuminen katapultista oli kuin olisi iskenyt suoraan tikarilla Generallissimus Putinin palleihin.
Asiasta on vielä paljon puhumista sopivassa yhteydessä. Lupaan ettette tule pettymään!

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

http://uatoday.tv/politics/saakashvili-accuses-poroshenko-of-corruption-support-live-801024.html

Saakashvili eroaa, syyttää Poroshenkoa.

[Nuivanlinna]

Nyt pitäisi Sipilän Juhan napata tilanteesta koppi....Berner pihalle ja hiukan rehellisempi Saakasvili tilalle. Anna mennä Juha, älä vatuloi!

[Faidros.]

Jos tämä on jo ollut täällä, kertaus on opintojen äiti! Mainio kirjoitus, varsinkin nuo lähimenneisyyteen sijoittuvat kohdat.
https://jaskanpauhantaa.blogspot.fi/2014/02/arvoisat-kriminaalit.html

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

Tjaahas, hieman kiusallista Ukrainan kannalta Trumpin voitto, kun kärki poliitikot on haukkunut miestä pelleksi jo kuukausikaupalla, Poroshenkokin tapasi vain Hillarya vaalien alla ja ignoorasi Trumpin täysin.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/11/ukrainian-politicians-scramble-to.html

[hattiwatti]

^ Erityisen kiusallista Trumpin voitto on niille kotimaan poliitikoille joiden mukaan Suomenkin pitää maksella Ukrainan kleptokratialle tukipaketteja, koska muu olisi Putinin tukemista. Trump on aiemmin sanonut, että pärjäisi mainiosti Putinin kanssa, ja Ukraina voisi jäädä Saksan ja sen akselivaltioiden maksettavaksi. Kiitos.

Ukrainan hallinnossa tilanne kuumenee joka tapauksessa. Ron Paul institute vetää aika mielenkiintoista, että neocon-leirissä hiljaista:

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2016/november/08/strange-silence-of-neo-con-trolls-as-mikheil-saakashvili-stabs-his-patron-poroshenko-in-the-back/

Strange Silence of Neo-Con Trolls as Mikheil Saakashvili Stabs His Patron Poroshenko in the Back

The sudden resignation of Mikheil Saakashvili as Governor of Odessa and his accompanying tirade of accusations of corruption and treason against the Ukrainian President, Petro Poroshenko and his coterie in Kiev came as a bombshell for the Western media on 7th November. But it was a strangely bland bombshell.

Yes, the voices of the West - the BBC, CNN, the New York Times, Wall St. Journal, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty – mentioned that the former Georgian President, who had been brought in to combat corruption in Ukraine's key port and one of its major Russian-speaking cities, had resigned, even that he criticised his patron and old university chum, Poroshenko, for being on the take. But the reportage has been strangely opaque.

Remember both Saakashvili and Poroshenko had been routinely characterised as the epitome of anti-corruption campaigners by Western neo-con voices whose echo-chamber is the supposedly liberal media, CNN, NBC in the USA and BBC and Channel Four News in the UK. No mention of Poroshenko's past service to the "notoriously corrupt" regimes in Ukraine before 2014 is permitted, nor reference to his alleged business dealings with pariahs like Iran before he came on board for the regime-change of the decade in February, 2014. As for the reality that to most Georgians their ex-president, President, Mikheil Saakashvili, was the personification of a brutal, loud-mouthed demagogue that too was passed over in silence by those who boast that "they tell truth to power" from the editorial suites of Western newsrooms and newspapers.

Saakashvili's own people remember how it was exactly nine years ago on 7th November, 2007, that his Western equipped para-military police smashed demonstrations against him in Tbilisi with a mixture of high-tech ultra-low frequency disorientation weapons and swagger sticks and jackboots. The anniversary of Lenin's seizure of power ninety-nine years ago has strange fascination for Saakashvili as his day for decisive coups.

After his fall from power in Georgia four years ago, Saakashvili had become a kind of post-Communist Flying Dutchman albeit inverted. Abandoned by his Dutch wife after revelations of the crudest kind of tax-payer-funded infidelities, he roamed the West trying to find sanctuary. Even the USA quietly but firmly denied him a haven as revelations that underneath his glass-fronted police stations – much-vaunted in the Guardian and Transitions online as model reforms - secret dungeons housed torture and sexual abuse against his opponents have shattered his reputation at home and were known to insiders abroad.

Saakashvili has of course embarrassed his US sponsors before by launching unilateral action without consulting them and getting full permission in advance. Remember how in August, 2008, he thought he could overrun South Ossetia before Russia could react and would earn the plaudits of the neo-cons in the West for his "courageous leadership". Instead, he provoked a Russian backlash and the disintegration of his army. In a grand strategy worthy of Mussolini's placement of his best troops in Ethiopia before invading Greece and Libya with badly equipped conscripts, Saakashvili had sent his 6,000 US-trained troops to do garrison duty in Iraq for his American sponsors when he decided to provoke Russia in 2008.

The worthless adventure shattered Saakashvili's value to the West less than a year after it had ignored his brutal suppression of opposition and had endorsed yet another rigged presidential election in his favour.

Ousted by even some of his ex-cronies after 2012, it was his old university contemporary, Petro Poroshenko, who threw a lifeline to the ex-Georgian President and a slew of his ex-enforcers from Georgia. Rather as the old Soviet Communist Party had deployed loyal apparatchiks from outside each republic to enforce the Kremlin's will on the multi-ethnic population of the USSR, so Washington now backed a strategy of parachuting outsiders from other ex-Soviet republics and of course the children of Nazi-era emigres from Ukraine itself into key positions to control the Ukrainian people themselves in case they took it into their heads to take democracy seriously.

The Americans often overlooked the internal contradictions of this parody of Comintern tactics. Saakashvili was notoriously anti-Armenian in power in Georgia, when he bulldozed scores of ancient Armenian buildings in Tbilisi to make way for his Reichstag-look-alike presidential palace. So it wasn't by chance that he got into a brawl with the ethnic Armenian interior minister of "independent" Ukraine last year.

Saakashvili's arrival in largely-Russian-speaking Odesa was a red rag to the locals. They resisted his attempt to massage local elections in favour of his preferred candidates for mayor and so on as he had done back home in Georgia. He denounced the opposition as corrupt but at best this was the pot calling the kettle black. Saakashvili's own tarnished reputation went before him across the Black Sea even if seminars in Oxford or Harvard took his credentials as "Mr Clean" at face value.

Now his wrestling match with the Ukrainian mafia and his attempt to impose his own Georgian clan in Odessa has come into the open.

The publication of the Panama Papers was supposed to tarnish Vladimir Putin but in reality the dirt spewed out of Poroshenko for his murky Caribbean cash pile. Just as the revelation of David Cameron's family ties to offshore accounts fatally undermined his standing in the run-up to the Brexit referendum. Poroshenko's claims to represent Westernization for Ukraine were not without an ironic plausibility.

Then to compound Poroshenko's credibility gap as an anti-corruption campaigner, an MP of Soros-sponsored Afghan Communist background got a bill passed with American backing requiring politicians and officials to publish declarations of their wealth. The published amounts commonly enraged ordinary, poverty-stricken Ukrainians even if they were often a shadow of the real wealth stashed away by the representatives of the people.

Having come to power by decrying Viktor Yanukovich's alleged "orgy of corruption", the Poroshenko crew looked odiously bloated with inexplicable wealth.

Into the scandal stepped the unpopular, alien governor Odessa. Despite being appointed by the President, Saakashvili chose to denounce him personally for betraying the Ukrainian people, Western values and the anti-mafia crusade which Saakashvili claimed to personify.

Western media express surprise at the ferocity of Saakashvili's attacks on the integrity of his old university friend, Poroshenko, who had rescued him from exile and given him his new lease of political life in Odessa. Don't these hacks remember how Saakashvili had been raised up by Georgia's Eduard Shevardnadze, who became godfather to his protégé's son, Eduard, while he was Minister of [In]Justice in that cruelly corrupt regime, before Saakashvili turned on his patron and ousted him in the so-called "Rose Revolution" in November, 2003? Now thirteen unlucky years later, Saakashvili has bitten the hand that fed him in Ukraine.

Part of the Western media's amnesia is of course that until yesterday both Saakashvili and Poroshenko were portrayed as model reformers, anti-corruption campaigners and so on. Suddenly, one paragon of civic virtue smears the other. CNN, BBC and Wall St. Journal can't compute it. Clearly, no-one in the Central Information Agency had distributed the script in advance of this crisis – so unlike the well-signalled abandonment of a Western darling like Shevardnadze in 2003 or the preparations for the Maidan uprising in 2013-14. Then of course, the Amanpours et al. were on hand with the moniker and mood music to encapsulate the propaganda line. Yesterday's hero was now a villain but forget about Shevardnadze or Kuchma, here comes an English-speaking motor-mouth spewing out all the New World Order guff about civil society, anti-corruption and, of course, Russophobia.

The Saakashvili-Porodshenko spat not only casts a garish light on the sleazy reality of Western-backed regime change on either side of the Black Sea – Georgia as well as Ukraine – but more importantly it illustrates the dangerous tailspin into which the casual promotion of corrupt and unstable post-Soviet politicians as paragons of civic virtue has plunged Western policy in Eastern Europe. The recent uptick in sabre-rattling by NATO reflects the bankruptcy of the political options promoted by the Euro-Atlantic regime-changers. Having toppled and re-toppled post-Communist regimes, promoting and then pulling down successive corrupt and brutal "heroes of the street", the West now faces the grim reality that its reputation is as tarnished by this sleazy process as much as its former local heroes.

Maybe one of the youthful Najibullahs of Kiev will be pushed to fill the void. But don't underrate the ability of Ukraine's oligarchs to navigate the storms of post-Communist politics and never ending flow of embarrassing revelations of hypocrisy and corruption which the Dnieper can never wash away. Saakashvili has declared war in a most Hobbesian environment on the most powerful and odious characters in the country. Above all, he has denigrated the President of Ukraine himself whose authority cannot survive allowing his former protégé to abuse him with impunity.

This cannot end well for both men. No-one should be surprised if Saakashvili and Poroshenko are suddenly reconciled, but any embrace of these two old comrades from the Komsomol can only follow Lenin's dictum: put your arms around the enemy's shoulders so you get your hands closer to his throat. Saakashvili may be counting on the Americans to save his bacon. He seems to have forgotten what President Sarkozy told him in August, 2008: "The Seventh Cavalry is not coming over the hill to rescue you." Ultimately, even the global nation par excellence does not believe that a Georgian political clan can takeover Ukraine and rule it for Washington against the will of the Ukraine's own mafias.

Saakashvili's impulsive detonation of this crisis might lead other Ukrainians to pose as champions of probity against Poroshenko, but the West's international brigade of reformers who failed at home sent in to transform Ukraine have had their day. Some slink back home to the Baltic States or Chicago, but Saakashvili has no homeland anymore.

With his Georgian citizenship revoked, and Tbilisi demanding his extradition for a host of alleged crimes in office from 2003 until 2012, Saakashvili has few places to run to. Remember the USA wouldn't give him permanent residence which was why he jumped at the chance to serve Poroshenko's bogus anti-corruption but very real anti-Russian drive in Odessa. With the boss-of-bosses' backing in Kiev, Saakashvili could find himself facing extradition back to Georgia – or even to Russia which accused him of genocide for killing so many civilians in his madcap invasion of South Ossetia in August, 2008.

The West can afford to throw away Saakashvili. Poroshenko and his prime minister, Groysman – godson of Poroshenko's father – have been Washington's key allies in Kiev. If they were to fall, or, if fearing Washington was about to push them, they jumped ship back to their old comrades in Moscow, the neo-cons' house of cards in Eastern Europe could collapse.

Maybe the strange silence of the West's normally vocal media analysts about Saakashvili's bombshell reflects their bewilderment that the best-laid plans for domination in the East are beginning to crumble like one of the stale cookies handed out in Kiev by that pin-up for regime-change, Victoria Neuland. After all the hullaballoo about Donald Trump being the cat's paw of pro-Russian interests who had backed Viktor Yanukovich in the swirling crisis in Ukraine three years ago, that none of the hacks decrying his "hidden Kremlin links" have explained how Saaki and Porky Poroshenko fell out so spectacularly or what it means for Western grand strategy. Their silence is very revealing. Even Google's Orwellian approach to news-management has rarely been so crude: the story was a bombshell, headlined with "live updates" – but not anymore.

Amnesia not analysis is increasingly the Western media elite's response to the crisis besetting its most cherished policies. Does this silence imply retreat or will the West lash out after Tuesday's US Presidential election? Maybe Saakashvili's tantrum will set the Seventh Cavalry in motion, not to rescue him today any more than in 2008, but to mask the failure of regime-change with open war in the East. Now that is something the Western media has been talking about a lot recently.

[JKN93]

Torsti Sirenin fcb-seinälle joku heittäny näin lennokkaan skenaarion;

Trump tulee palauttamaan suhteet Venajaan ja tuki Ukrainalle loppuu ja siihen loppuvat rahat ja (lansi)kalusto kayda sotaa Ita-Ukrainassa. Donbass itsenaistyy ja Suomi solmii sen kanssa diplomaattisuhteet. Nain jotta suhteet Venajaan ja USA:han pysyvat edes jonkinlaisessa tolkussa. EU tullee menettamaan merkitystaan ja jopa NATO uudelleenorganisoidaan/hajoaa. Suomi palaa historialliselle paikalleen pois ytimesta Venajan reunavaltioksi. Venaja ei tule olemaan Suomelle uhka."

Saapa nähdä mihin suuntaan lähtee kehittymään...

[JKN93]

Itä-Ukrainassa ollaan nyt sitä mieltä että Soroslaisten "globalistien marssi" olisi nyt ainakin toistaiseksi keskeytynyt ja tauonnut Trumpin takia...ja sitten jos vielä tulee Le Pen valtaan jne..
https://dninews.com/article/rise-peoples-republics-globalist-march-moscow-stopped

[hattiwatti]

Puolustusministeri jyrähtää.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9292802

Puolustusministeri Jussi Niinistö (ps.) arvioi, että puolustusvoimien entisen komentajan Ukraina-kommenteilla on vaara sekoittua maailmalla Suomen viralliseen kantaan.

Gustav Hägglund ehdotti Etelä-Saimaa-lehden haastattelussa (siirryt toiseen palveluun), että Yhdysvaltain presidentiksi valittu Donald Trump voisi tehdä Venäjän presidentin Vladimir Putinin kanssa sopimuksen, jolla Ukraina jaettaisiin kahtia. Maan itäosassa asuisivat venäläiset.

– Jaettaisiin vaan valtio kahtia ja sillä selvä, Hägglund sanoi Etelä-Saimaan mukaan.

– On parempi, että entinen komentaja sanoo sen kuin virassa oleva komentaja, jos nyt sananvapautta pitää harjoittaa, puolustusministeri Niinistö kommentoi Hägglundin lausuntoa Brysselissä.

Hänen mukaansa vaarana on kuitenkin se, että entisen komentajan lausunnot voivat lähteä ulkomailla leviämään Suomen virallisena kantana.

– On aina mahdollista, että uutinen vääntyy johonkin muotoon ja alkaa elää omaa elämäänsä. Siinä mielessä tässä hieman kyllä tulella leikitään, Niinistö sanoi.

Gustav Hägglund toimi puolustusvoimien komentajana 1994–2001, ja EU:n sotilaskomitean puheenjohtajana 2001–2004.

[Pärmi]

Torsti Sirenin fcb-seinälle joku heittäny näin lennokkaan skenaarion;

Trump tulee palauttamaan suhteet Venajaan ja tuki Ukrainalle loppuu ja siihen loppuvat rahat ja (lansi)kalusto kayda sotaa Ita-Ukrainassa. Donbass itsenaistyy ja Suomi solmii sen kanssa diplomaattisuhteet. Nain jotta suhteet Venajaan ja USA:han pysyvat edes jonkinlaisessa tolkussa. EU tullee menettamaan merkitystaan ja jopa NATO uudelleenorganisoidaan/hajoaa. Suomi palaa historialliselle paikalleen pois ytimesta Venajan reunavaltioksi. Venaja ei tule olemaan Suomelle uhka."

Saapa nähdä mihin suuntaan lähtee kehittymään...

Sikäli kuin - ja todennäköisesti - Trump toteuttaaa protektionismiaan Naton eurooppalaisten jäsentensä ja EU:n suhteiden kustannuksella, EU:n merkitys vähenee vastapainona Venäjän ulko- ja sotilaspoliittisille toimille. "Karhu" ei jätä tilaisuuttaan käyttämättä, ja niinhän se tuppaa olemaan, että Suomi saa kunnian olla indikaattorina muulle Euroopalle, laitetaanko duumasta toimeen, ja millä aikataululla. Odotan Venäjän edelleen vahvistavan sotilaallisesti Jäämereltä Syyriaan ulottuvaa etupiiri-ajatteluaan.
Aikaisempien suomalaisvaltiomiesten idänpolitiikan arviontikykyä tarvittaisiin.

[törö]

Puolustusministeri jyrähtää.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9292802

Puolustusministeri Jussi Niinistö (ps.) arvioi, että puolustusvoimien entisen komentajan Ukraina-kommenteilla on vaara sekoittua maailmalla Suomen viralliseen kantaan.

Mun on hyvin vaikea nähdä tuollaista riskiä, koska muualla maailmassa tiedetään, miten sanavapaus toimii ja kuka sen virallisen mielipiteen kertoo.

Jos täällä ei tuon parempia poliitikkoja onnistuta löytämään edes protestipuolueeseen, niin kannattaisi ryhtyä taas Ruotsin maakunnaksi, koska muita yhtä natsihenkisiä ihmisoikeusmaita ei kuitenkaan löydy kavereiksi.

[hattiwatti]

^ Jussi Niinistön tahattoman koominen yliautoritäärisyys tulee taas esiin. Jonkun pitäisi kertoa sille, että führerinsä Soini kerskailee uusimmassa plokauksessaan joskus tunteenensa Nigel Faragen, joka sentään aikaansai vähän isompaa separatismia kuin Ukrainassa voi tapahtua.

Ukraina-separatismista puheenollen, Donbassin uutistoimiston Janus Putkosella on iso inspiraatio Trumpin voiton suhteen :

https://dninews.com/article/rise-peoples-republics-globalist-march-moscow-stopped

Finally, we can see, that the globalist elite, which is behind the western power structure, is forced to stop its long lasted advance. Actually, the West is loosing rapidly it's military-political thrive toward Moscow and Peking, in its geopolitical demand for the world hegemony. The World War 3, between two main camps, has been fought mostly with the weapons of mass information, and the huge battle is now in decisive stage.

"March towards Moscow seems to be stopped. The western globalist occupiers are forced to dig into defensive positions - again, and just when the power of the Kremlin was placed in the binoculars of the western propagandists, just like in 1941. Russia, with demand for the multipolar world, has succeeded to build defenses for its people, and its allies, and what is expected, the time for the people's counter attack has come."
According to the latest news, Bulgarian and Moldovian new presidents are also so called "pro-Russians", which means in the other word, that people have chosen again in favor of their national independence, towards the world multipolarism, and away from multinational globalist rule over their own nations.

A very powerful new political trend is spreading, and it's really on high steam, when Donald Trump was chosen to lead the Washington's policies. His loud message has been clearly and strongly anti-Globalist, challenging directly the western multinational elite power, which is ruling above the US domestic and foreign policies. Trump is promising something other, then the policy of world hegemony, like it was promised by Hillary Clinton.

We have already seen the shock around the West, forcing specially the western puppet regimes, like in occupied Kiev, to hesitate, and waiting for their new orders. In USA we can see Soros-backed movement, which is seeking for "new Maidan" in the Washington, to keep the leadership to in globalist hands. Factually, USA is fueled today with the same poison of color revolution, which has destroyed so many nations in past decades.

"People's resistance against globalist forces, like in the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics in former Ukraine, is the spearhead of the anti-Globalist counter actions, just like the partisans behind the lines, which caused the havoc among the occupiers in 1942. At the time of information world war, people's strongest weapon will be the truth." 
In the recent times we have seen the anti-Globalist trend growing, and the political development, especially in countries like Philippines and Chech, has shown that people and their leaders are bravely turning against the western demand of world hegemony. Events are a sign, that western politicians, and most of all, the western mainstream media propaganda, is loosing its strong grid from the western people's minds.

By understanding the destruction of the Middle-East and Ukraine, massive lies and treasons, western backed state terrorism, armed coups and horrible wars, people have finally started to wake up in masses, turning in crowds against the globalist hegemony, which has been waged over the nations. Anti-Globalist trend against liberal-globalism is, in fact, that people are demanding their money back, currencies and central banks to the public hands, from the private oligarch banksters.

People are demanding their jobs back, they disagree loudly in front of the policies of multinational debt slavery, high taxes, global mercenary armies, corporate laws and police control. People want's back their local security, independent countries, their freedom of the speech, and they demand to hear from their leaders clear support for their own public interests. The will to defend against western occupation is gaining momentum.

"To defend themselves, the western people will start seeking for the truth, which has been kept a secret for them all these years, and they will find educative examples about successful defense against globalists. The West will learn about idea of people's republics, and they will hear about the heroic battles, which stopped the Ukrainian color revolution in Donbass. The first armed resistance against the globalist agenda has been fought, and also won, in the Europe by people's republics."
The next big success toward the multipolar world has been expected to be fought in France, where Marine Le Pen has led the National Front towards the landslide victory. Now, when the fight is forced by new global anti-Globalist trend, Le Pen's coming victory is certain. At the same time, worldwide publicity for the strong geopolitical message, which will be again totally something other than what has been offered by the globalist media for decades, will be spread to the full spectrum of global information war.

How many battles the West can loose, how much time the globalist afford to lose?

The greed of elite power is something what is needed to feed daily, and every day with larger sums of money, power and other robbed achievements. It's clear that there is no will to lose anything, share with the others, and give up the elite privileges, wealth and income, because the globalist elite have been raised, promised for decades about huge fortunes together with global supremacy, with the ultimate satisfaction for the greed, corporate power. 

What the globalist is really afraid today is the truth, history written by the undesired winners of war against globalism:

"The Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, the civil war, which has lasted over 2,5 years in the heart of Europe, is an educative example, that people can achieve the power, truth and freedom, but only with weapons, which are chosen by the globalist forces. They, the banksters, don't care about the will of majorities, they don't care about referendums, rules or even international laws what they usually wrote by themselves - they care only about their globalist interests, which are multinationally driven together with global geopolitical demands.  In the DPR and LPR, there are no banks, or banksters left, and that`s the core reason why the local economy is thriving even in the time of war, under heavy Ukrainian shelling, because the corporate rule is not here ordering the possibilities of the people."
The main question will be in front of us, when people's demands about the respect of democracy - the will of the majorities, our national self determination, and economic democracy - is rising: will the West collapse, or will it explode, when the geopolitical defeat of global hegemony against the world multipolarism is imminent?

If a western power structure, with all its secret societies and hidden elements explodes, we will see rapidly rising flow of civil wars, people against the elite mercenaries, and even a global war between the main armed forces of geopolitical poles - Russia, China, India and Iran, against the USA, NATO and EU forces.

If  the West collapses in front of global defeat, which certainly is the preferred for the world's people, planet's environment and humanity, we will see the devastating agony in the West, economic crash, huge panic and cultural devastation, many civil wars, and a long, painful rebuilding process of the western nations towards true economic democracy.
"But what's learned here in the free Donbass, is that there is something much worse than a war: the fascist occupation, the hegemony of the globalist corporate elite, their mercenaries ruling our life and culture, and threatening debt slaved homes. We should just let them choose the weapons, stay calm and firm in front of all possible threats, because there is still something what is worth of fighting for - yours and ours - people's republics."
Editorial article, Janus Putkonen, director

[Faidros.]

Etyj tarkkailijat: Kymmeniä tuhansia venäläissotilaita siirtynyt Ukrainaan.
www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/etyj_rajanylitys-57890

[Jukka Wallin]

Etyj tarkkailijat: Kymmeniä tuhansia venäläissotilaita siirtynyt Ukrainaan.
www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/etyj_rajanylitys-57890

Meinaako Venäjä palauttaa Ukrainan takaisin itselleen? Tuskin. Ehkä muutamia kymmeniä tai satoja sotilaita, mutta ei 30 000

[Faidros.]

Tulihan Suomeenkin taannoin 30 000 sotilasta, miksei siis Venäjän miehittämälle Ukrainan kaistalle?

[Dangr]

Etyj tarkkailijat: Kymmeniä tuhansia venäläissotilaita siirtynyt Ukrainaan.
www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/etyj_rajanylitys-57890

Meinaako Venäjä palauttaa Ukrainan takaisin itselleen? Tuskin. Ehkä muutamia kymmeniä tai satoja sotilaita, mutta ei 30 000

Olisko sulla lähteitä tuohon?

[Korpitutkija]

Etyj tarkkailijat: Kymmeniä tuhansia venäläissotilaita siirtynyt Ukrainaan.
www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/etyj_rajanylitys-57890

Meinaako Venäjä palauttaa Ukrainan takaisin itselleen? Tuskin. Ehkä muutamia kymmeniä tai satoja sotilaita, mutta ei 30 000

Varmaankin tarkoitetaan koko ajalta kun kahdella rajanylityspaikalla on ollut tarkkailijoita.

Despite the strict limits imposed on the Observer Mission's mandate and operating procedures, the Mission has still been able to document Russia's destabilizing and destructive activity in eastern Ukraine. The Observer Mission has observed more than 30,000 individuals in military-style dress crossing just at the two checkpoints to which it has access.

https://osce.usmission.gov/response-chief-observer-observer-mission-russian-border-checkpoints-gukovo-donetsk-statement-pc/

[Jukka Wallin]

Etyj tarkkailijat: Kymmeniä tuhansia venäläissotilaita siirtynyt Ukrainaan.
www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/etyj_rajanylitys-57890

Meinaako Venäjä palauttaa Ukrainan takaisin itselleen? Tuskin. Ehkä muutamia kymmeniä tai satoja sotilaita, mutta ei 30 000

Varmaankin tarkoitetaan koko ajalta kun kahdella rajanylityspaikalla on ollut tarkkailijoita.

https://osce.usmission.gov/response-chief-observer-observer-mission-russian-border-checkpoints-gukovo-donetsk-statement-pc/

Nato tiedustelu löysi 40 000 Venäjän armeijan sotilasta Ukrainan vastaiselta raja-alueeta, mutta kukaan muu ei heitä löytänyt vaikka etsivät päiväkausia...

[Faidros.]

Nato tiedustelu löysi 40 000 Venäjän armeijan sotilasta Ukrainan vastaiselta raja-alueeta, mutta kukaan muu ei heitä löytänyt vaikka etsivät päiväkausia...

Ja missä linkissä?

[Jukka Wallin]

Nato tiedustelu löysi 40 000 Venäjän armeijan sotilasta Ukrainan vastaiselta raja-alueeta, mutta kukaan muu ei heitä löytänyt vaikka etsivät päiväkausia...

Ja missä linkissä?

Siitä on keskustetu myös tässä keskustelussa aikaisemmin, joten kannattaa selata joitakin sivuja taaksepäin..

[f-35fan]

Ei ole vaikea huomata kuinka generallissimus Putinin suupielistä on alkanut virrata kuola.
Tietenkin Putinin uskolliset eunukit (tälläkin palstalla)yrittävät peitellä parhaansa mukaan tätä tosiasiaa.

Luulenpa vaan että Syyrian rannikolla oleva laivasto-osasto saa pian kutsun Mustalle Merelle.
Syyria oli vain hämäystä kätkeäkseen flotillan oikean kohteen.

Enää on kysymys vain siitä mistä kohtaa Ukraina katkaistaan. Luulenpa vain että Ukrainalle ei enää jää yhteyttä Mustalle Merelle. Arvelen myös että Admiral Kuznetsov tulee ajan myötä telakoitumaan vielä toistaiseksi Ukrainan hallussa olevalle telakalle.

[Jaakko Sivonen]

Aika naurettavaa tämäkin touhu:

Venäjän pääministeri vaatii americano-kahvin muuttamista "russianoksi"

Venäjän pääministeri tukee Krimiltä lähtenyttä aloitetta americano-kahvin nimen muuttamisesta.

http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/americano_rusiano-57743

[Jukka Wallin]

Aika naurettavaa tämäkin touhu:

Venäjän pääministeri vaatii americano-kahvin muuttamista "russianoksi"

Venäjän pääministeri tukee Krimiltä lähtenyttä aloitetta americano-kahvin nimen muuttamisesta.

http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/americano_rusiano-57743

Kuka tai ketkä nimesivät ranskalaiset "vapausperunoiksi" 

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

Ei ole vaikea huomata kuinka generallissimus Putinin suupielistä on alkanut virrata kuola.
Tietenkin Putinin uskolliset eunukit (tälläkin palstalla)yrittävät peitellä parhaansa mukaan tätä tosiasiaa.

Luulenpa vaan että Syyrian rannikolla oleva laivasto-osasto saa pian kutsun Mustalle Merelle.
Syyria oli vain hämäystä kätkeäkseen flotillan oikean kohteen.

Enää on kysymys vain siitä mistä kohtaa Ukraina katkaistaan. Luulenpa vain että Ukrainalle ei enää jää yhteyttä Mustalle Merelle. Arvelen myös että Admiral Kuznetsov tulee ajan myötä telakoitumaan vielä toistaiseksi Ukrainan hallussa olevalle telakalle.

Noh eikö se olisi parasta, Ukrainahan on varsin jakautunut maa joten maan balkanisointi tulee olemaan edessä jossain muodossa jokatapauksessa. Onko se sitten pelkkä Donbass vai puoli Ukrainaa on toinen asia. Olennaista on lopettaa turha sotiminen, ja päästää Länsi-Ukraina osaksi Euvosto-Unelmaa, halpoja vessanpesijöitä tarvitaan aina. Itä-Ukrainalaiset pääsee sitten tekemään samaa Venäjälle. The end.

[Faidros.]

Venäjä tarkisti taloutensa valmiuden sotaan - jopa leipomoiden ruokintakyky syynissä.
www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000004280132.html
Vielä on puutteita liikekannallepanoon. Ei se kuitenkaan estänyt kymmenien tuhansien sotilaiden siirtoa Ukrainaan, huomenna leipomoissa voi olla jo paremmat hiivat.
Haluja Venäjällä on varmasti hyökätä Ukrainaan, koska esim. siellä valmistetaan varaosia lähes kaikkiin Venäjällä käytettäviin ohjustyyppeihin.

[hattiwatti]

Rosatom / Fennovoimakin aikoo tehdä reilun kaupan ostoksen Itä-Ukrainaan samovaarin paineastian muodossa.

http://www.nykysuomi.com/index.php/2016/11/21/hanhikiven-paineastia-valmistetaan-rauniokaupungissa/

Varmasti alueen teollisuus on niin merkittävä globaali tekijä, että alueista on pitänyt taistella.

[ikuturso]

Venäjä on ajanut separatistisen Itä-Ukrainan itsehallintoa. Venäjä on mu*kku
Venäjä on ajanut Syyrian istuvaa hallintoa, YK-lähettiläs esitti separatistiselle Itä-Aleppolle itsehallintoa. Syyria ei syttynyt ajatukselle. YK on... eiku Venäjä on mu*kku.

Niin tai näin, Venäjä on aina se pahis. Juuri taas uutisoitiin, että avustusjärjestöjen paukut eivät riitä Mosulissa, kun tulee niin paljon siviiliuhreja. Kukaan ei esitä Mosulin valtauksen keskeyttämistä sen vuoksi. Mites Aleppo?

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[Faidros.]

Jotenkin tuntuu siltä, että joku taho Ukrainassa on alkanut elvyttää ohjustuotantoa länsimaisin komponentein($$$) ja myymään ohjuksia ja niiden päivityksiä  entisiin neukkuaseistuksen omaaviin maihin, esim. Suomeen ja moniin muihin vielä neuvostoaseistuksen omaaviin aseteknologian kehitysmaihin.
Tietolähteeni suomalaisen BUKin uusista päivityksistä alkaa saamaan entistä enemmän painoarvoa!
Venäjän oma aseteollisuus ei ole pystynyt vastaamaan lännen ja Kiinan elektroniikkatuotannon asettamiin vaatimuksiin, mihin viitataan tuossa aiemmassa linkissäni.

Panssarit peliin ja miehittämään Ukrainan asetehtaat, muu ei nyt riitä Putlerille.

[Faidros.]

Putinin puheita kritisoidaan jo hänen valvomassaan mediassakin.
www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/kiistelty_ulkomaan_dokkari-57914
Onhan tuo melkoista tuubaa!