Syyrian sisällissota/ISIS -ketju

[Onkko]

Aina kun kuvittelee, että ISIS toiminta ei voi mennä sairaammaksi, niin jotain vielä sairaampaa tulee esiin.

Painajaisesi jatkuu. Katso kun jenkkien Apache saattaa ISIS:in Toyota-kolonnaa Irakista Syyriaan.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd7_1447058458

Apache näkyy kohdasta 1.30 lähtien jonkun aikaa ja videon lopussa tunnistettavan selvästi kohdassa 2.40-2.59.

Vai onko jollain lähi-idän armeijalla samanlaisia sadan auton Toyota-letkoja ITKK:t lavalla?

Ketään ei ammuttu sinun videossa.

[Griffinvaari]

Aina kun kuvittelee, että ISIS toiminta ei voi mennä sairaammaksi, niin jotain vielä sairaampaa tulee esiin.

Painajaisesi jatkuu. Katso kun jenkkien Apache saattaa ISIS:in Toyota-kolonnaa Irakista Syyriaan.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd7_1447058458

Apache näkyy kohdasta 1.30 lähtien jonkun aikaa ja videon lopussa tunnistettavan selvästi kohdassa 2.40-2.59.

Vai onko jollain lähi-idän armeijalla samanlaisia sadan auton Toyota-letkoja ITKK:t lavalla?

Ketään ei ammuttu sinun videossa.

Juuri tämä tekee videosta painajaisen, se on suojaamassa ei tuhoamassa, mikäli ko. saattue kuuluu isikselle, hitommoinen video, ketä vastaan suojataan ellei venäläisiä, taustalta kuulemme viimeisen tuomion kellojen kolkkoa kalinaa.

[siviilitarkkailija]

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Laatu kyllä korvaa määrän, jos laatua on.
Pahantekijöissä ei laatua ole.

No kyllä se on laatua pahanlaatuinenkin.

Kun siviilitarkkailen sotavoimaa, myönnän että pidän joukkojen lukumäärää useammin merkittävänä kuin yksittäisen taistelijan voimaa. Nämä eivät ole ainoita sotavoiman mittareita. Olen suhtautunut nuorempana väheksyvästi joukkojen henkeen, ransk. elan. Kerta toisensa jälkeen paljastuu että sillä on voimaa yli hautojen.

Laatu ja määrä kulkee käsi kädessä. Joskus toinen voittaa, joskus toinen. Tai lopulta määrä korvaa aina laadun, ainakin sodassa.

Isis-daesh on saanut jenkkien maastoautot itsemurhapommien kuljetuksiin. Sillä yksi tero terroristi voi pyyhkiä mäenharjanteen tasaiseksi. Nekin epelit nostaa "laatuaan".

[Gunnar Hymén]

viimeiset 3kk

Lähi-Itä: -400 ISIS taistelijaa
Suomi: +400 ISIS taistelijaa

[Nuivanlinna]

Juuri tämä tekee videosta painajaisen, se on suojaamassa ei tuhoamassa, mikäli ko. saattue kuuluu isikselle, hitommoinen video, ketä vastaan suojataan ellei venäläisiä, taustalta kuulemme viimeisen tuomion kellojen kolkkoa kalinaa.

Jospa Toyotat kuuluivat Al Qaidalle mikä taistelee Syyriassa vapauden ja demokratian puolesta, syy ampumattomuuten lienee siinä.

[Kyklooppi]

Al- Qaida, vapauden ja demokratian asialla 

[hattiwatti]

Aina kun kuvittelee, että ISIS toiminta ei voi mennä sairaammaksi, niin jotain vielä sairaampaa tulee esiin.

Painajaisesi jatkuu. Katso kun jenkkien Apache saattaa ISIS:in Toyota-kolonnaa Irakista Syyriaan.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd7_1447058458

Apache näkyy kohdasta 1.30 lähtien jonkun aikaa ja videon lopussa tunnistettavan selvästi kohdassa 2.40-2.59.

Vai onko jollain lähi-idän armeijalla samanlaisia sadan auton Toyota-letkoja ITKK:t lavalla?

Ketään ei ammuttu sinun videossa.

Juuri tämä tekee videosta painajaisen, se on suojaamassa ei tuhoamassa, mikäli ko. saattue kuuluu isikselle, hitommoinen video, ketä vastaan suojataan ellei venäläisiä, taustalta kuulemme viimeisen tuomion kellojen kolkkoa kalinaa.

Tapasin Suomen sosiaalifoorumilal jotain kaiketi Iranilaisperäisiä joilla oli joku arabiankielinen juttu lehdestä, jonka mukaan ISIS-porattu öljy menisi Turkin kautta pitkälti EU:n ostamaksi. Tämä ei ole uutta, nimimerkki Nationalisti aiemmin tässä ketjussa myös mainitsi miten EU on Raqqan alueen Al-Qaidan tuottaman öljyn ostaja, kirjoitettu tähän ketjuun ennen ISIS saapumista. Pyytäisin kyseistä nimimerkkiä heittämään enemmän dataa aiheesta.

Pakistanin kirjeenvaihtajalla on myös hassuja uutisia aiheesta.

http://atimes.com/2015/11/is-militarily-weak-but-economically-strong/

Some recent revelations by the Australian Government have re-opened the critical question about the self-styled Islamic State's (IS) shadowy financial resources. Just like IS's very emergence, the source(s) of its financial strength, too, remain an enigma

Although IS does have certain oil fields under its control, the big question is who buys that oil and how? Unlike the recently resolved mystery of IS's 'Toyota army', the answer to this questions remains considerably shrouded.

Some of it is, somehow, available now as the latest information provided by the AUSTRAC showed that between July 2014 and June 2015, the Australian Government monitored more than 100 people 'of interest' and investigated 536 suspicious transactions valued at A$53 million, most of which were associated with militant groups in Iraq and Syria.

"Those 100 are obviously part of a wider group of people who we're worried about supporting IS," Justice Minister Michael Keenan told reporters in Canberra.

It was almost a year ago that CNN published a report stating that IS makes between $1 and $2 million in oil sales per day. Their earnings have, according to some recent reports, reached the 'hallmark' of $500 million per year.  What a progress within the time span of just one year!

Despite a year-long US 'campaign' against IS, the group's financial resources have grown immensely. It was blatantly attested to by a recently published report of Financial Times which told the world that even after more than one year and 10,500 air strikes since the beginning of the West's anti-terrorist campaign, the result has been the complete failure of US efforts to undermine the financial income of the terrorist group.

An important question is why has the US-led coalition been unable to deny IS the essential territorial channels that it uses to smuggle oil into Turkey, Ukraine and some other Mid-Eastern States?

Hypothetically speaking, and as some circumstantial evidences indicate, an important reason for this "failure" is that bumping of oil into external markets suits US interests as it allows the US, indirectly though, to cause financial damage to Russia and Iran, both of which greatly depend upon oil for their economic strength.

The oil that they produce is sold at the cost 2-3 times lower than the global price. Every day, IS receives $3-3.5 million into its budget. The IS' oil business was established as a 'National Oil Corporation.' Even warring Syrian rebels, including the US' so-called "friendly forces", do not disdain from purchasing IS products.

Although the US President Barak Obama did restrain certain "individuals", following Vladimir Putin's strong criticism of US policies with regard to curbing IS's financial resources, involved in providing funds to IS, Washington continues to support those countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey, that have been (and still are) supporting IS. That it has not placed embargoes on any of them speaks volumes about the inner reality of the US policy vis-à-vis IS i.e., US' own support for the group.

An evidence of this policy can be had from the statements given by Yousaf al Salafi, an IS commander who was arrested in Pakistan in January 2015.

"During the investigations, Yousaf al Salafi revealed that he was getting funding – routed through America – to run the organisation in Pakistan and recruit young people to fight in Syria," a source privy to the investigations revealed to the Pakistan-based Express Tribune, an affiliate of New York Times, on the condition of anonymity.

Indeed, the story reveals several troubling aspects regarding IS' operations in Syria. First, Al Salafi's ability to effortlessly enter into Syria through NATO-member Turkey and then escape back to Pakistan, again, via Turkey confirms that the source of IS' strength is not only captured Syrian oil fields or ransoms paid in exchange for hostages, but rather from a torrent of fighters, arms, equipment, and cash, transaction for which are globally distributed to avoid leaving any trails behind.

As a matter of fact, according to a report of the UK-based The Independent, IS receive substantial funds through a "sophisticated money laundering scheme". These funds, the report said, are partly generated by shady transactions carried out in the south of the UK with banking services provided on the phone and the import of cars from England to Africa.

Indeed, IS's financial strength is no just oil fields only.  It has literally expanded its "business" into other fields as it is reported to have set its foot in smuggling, bank robberies, kidnapping and extortion.

In particular, in June 2014 IS gunmen robbed a branch of the Central Bank of Iraq in Mosul, pocketing, according to various estimates, a sum ranging from $900 million to $2 billion. Almost two weeks ago, IS gunmen captured a branch of the Al-Rafidin bank in Mosul, and according to witnesses, they drove away with three trucks full of money. The exact amount of the money robbed remains unknown.

They receive substantial amount of money through 'private sources' from Gulf countries, especially Saudi Arabia and Qatar where 'Islamic charities' continue to operate rather freely, and without the fear of government clampdown.

A member of Iran's Majlis (Parliament) Mohammad Saleh asserted that IS has received financial assistance, including from Saudi Arabia, of $4 billion to conduct terrorist activities in Iraq.

Besides it, according to the estimates of some experts, the organization's budget could reach $ 7 billion, which until recently, allowed the terrorist organizations to actively recruit mercenaries to its ranks and finance various propaganda, especially anti-Shia campaigns in Sunni majority areas to attract finance and jewelry from them.

On February 18, 2015, Mohammed al-Hakim, the representative of Iraq to the United Nations, said IS has been killing people to sell their organs. According to him, in the mass graves of IS victims, bodies of people have been found with signs of surgery and kidneys and other internal organs missing.

IS also gains income from drug trafficking. According to Viktor Ivanov, the head of the Federal Drug Control Service in Russia, IS' annual income from the transit of heroin from Afghanistan to Europe is up to one billion dollars.

Given these "various sources" of income, it appears highly unlikely that IS has suffered, as the US upbeat assessments claim, any real damage, especially financially. Despite claiming that Qatar provides a "permissive environment for financing terrorist groups", the US has largely failed to do anything to change this "permissive environment" into a "non-permissive" one.

The question that we must therefore be asking is this: given Russia's aggressive campaign against IS, as also other terrorist organizations, will Russia decide to send its troops to Syria to deny IS enough territorial space to seek production as well as smuggling of oil to regional countries? And, if such an eventuality takes place, how will the US and its allies react to it and where will such a development take the Syrian war to?

The situation on the ground is certainly extremely dicey. However, what is abundantly clear is that the US and Russia are far from the point of really coordinating. As a matter of fact, both of them are as much fighting terrorists as each other.

While some tend to be skeptical about the US' real intentions behind its policy against IS, there is hardly any doubt that Russia's military presence in the Middle East is the source of American discomfiture. Will this discomfiture turn into a potentially direct war? Only time will tell.

However, if the US does want to avoid such a scenario, it will have to develop a comprehensive strategy to bock IS' financial resources. Russia cannot be expected to do the task because IS (and other terrorist organizations as well) operates through the Western banking system which is largely under the control of the United States of America.

Without addressing all dimensions of this financing, groups like IS will continue to exist and grow in a system that has consistently permitted them to run economies and consolidate their power.

Salman Rafi Sheikh is a freelance journalist and research analyst of international relations and Pakistan affairs. His area of interest is South and West Asian politics, the foreign policies of major powers, and Pakistani politics. He can be reached at salmansheikh.ss11.sr@gmail.com

Sputniknewsillä oli myös juttu, että ISIS on havainnut VOK-teollisen kompleksin toisen puoliskon eli matu-bisneksen logistiikan olevan äärimmäisen tuottoisia rahoituslähde logisiikalleen. Mikäs siinä, kun EU tässäkin asiassa toimii saumattomassa yhteistyössä, erityisesti Suomi. Tämäkään ei ole uutta, Jugoslavian sodassa oli myös kuvio miten NATO ja The Länsi olivat liittouneita Öljymonarkioiden rahoittamien jihadistien kanssa Venäjään nojanneita serbejä vastaan joka kuvio tuntuu loputtomiin juuripa Syyrian akselilla, kuin muuallakin. Tästä sodasta syntyi NATOn pommittama Kosovo, jonka keskelle jenkit tekivät giganttisen sotilastukikohdan Bondsteelin. Kosovo on mafiataloudella, ja samoin juuri siellä on harrastettu myös matubisnestä josta on tullut perinteistä heroiini, ase, ja sisäelinkauppaa tuottoisampaa. Aika selkesti tämä NATO-pommituskampanjalla aikaansaatu oblasti näytteli keskeistä logistista osaa matujen pumppaamisella Balkania pitkin Saksaan työntäen mukavasti kohti kaaosta Serbian ja Unkarin kaltaisia maita jotka olivat Hegemonialle tottelemattomia vaikkapa tekemällä esisoppareita kaasuputkista joista Hegemonia ei tykännyt. ISIS - rooli matubisneksessä tulisi kartoittaa samoin kuin sen rooli öljykaupassa ja miten EU on kätevästi luonut itsestään putken toisen pään.

[hattiwatti]

http://atimes.com/2015/11/the-pentagons-empire-of-whining/

.......
It all gets curioser and curioser — or at least muddier — when we remember that roughly a month ago Ash was warning, at a meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels, that Russia would "soon" start paying the price for its "escalation" in Syria.

The price might have been paid via the Metrojet crash. Nothing of course links Ash and the Pentagon with it; wishful thinking, at best. Still, the possible bombing by the Sinai branch of Daesh was cracked by GCHQ in London profiting from its vast "we spy on everyone" NSA-style network. James Bond in Spectre – good old ground intel – would never had had that kind of knowledge.

The same meeting in Brussels also decided to boost NATO's so-called "spearhead force" to "deliver deterrence," in the words of NATO secretary-general, Norwegian figurehead Jens Stoltenberg. Stoltenberg even bragged that the sole existence of this force would scare the hell out of Russia – as well as the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) – about alleged "incursions into Turkish territory." Still, no NATO force was deployed to Turkey. After all, NATO was too busy invading Spain.

We're excused for allowing a Bubba Clinton "I feel ya" moment as we consider Ash's whining. There are so many "we didn't have a clue" Pentagon instances he cannot possibly acknowledge on the record.

For instance, the performance of Russian Kaliber missiles compared to Tomahawks. Launched by the Caspian Sea fleet, they flew over 1,500 km before hitting their ISIS/ISIL/Daesh targets, which implies their maximum range, according to Russian military sources, is about 1,800 km – much larger than the Tomahawks. On top of it, each target was hit with only two missiles, and in very few cases, three. This suggests ultra-high precision and reliability, considering that the US usually targets command centers or depots with as many as four missiles.

Russia has also deployed ultra-sophisticated electronic warfare systems in Syria, such as the Krasukha-4, easily capable of jamming AWACS and satellites. Ash cannot possibly admit on the record Russia de facto controls the skies over Syria. Sultan Erdogan at least was clever enough to understand that his no-fly zone across the Turkish-Syrian border will never fly.

What's left is, well, a Vietnam post-modern remix; send more troops. Ash is enthusiastic, as long as the US can find more "capable" local forces to partner with.

So let's take a quick look at the "capable" local scenario.

ISIS/ISIL/Daesh is active in central Syria alongside Jaysh al-Fatah, an Islamist coalition with quite a few members affiliated with Jabhat al-Nusra, a.k.a. al-Qaeda in Syria. In the Hama frontlines, the fake "Caliphate" and al-Nusra are de facto allies. Ash cannot possibly find "capable" allies here.

But there's an enormous back door. Al-Nusra got into camouflage, changing their gear for Ahrar al-Sham's, which the Beltway hails as "moderate rebels." Ahrar al-Sham is in fact a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, fully supported by Turkey.

So no wonder everyone wants to join the "moderate rebel" bandwagon, hoping to be showered with made in USA anti-tank TOW missiles. That includes outfits such as the brigade Tawhid Al Asimah in Damascus, the brigade Wa Atasimu also in Damascus, the Abu Amarah batallion in Aleppo, the brigade martyr Ahmad Al-Omar, and the Binaa Umma movement active in Deraa and Quneitra. Working with this lot may be Ash's opening. But that implies sending fresh American troops all over Syria.

And now, the 50 immortals

But first the Special Forces deployed to northern Syria — Obama's 50 immortals — need to fulfill their mission. Say one name: Kuweyres. Everything depends on what happens in Kuweyres, a military airbase.

Here are the facts on the ground. The SAA, at least for now, has secured its all-important supply route to Aleppo. What they're aiming for next – supported by Russian air strikes – is much more complicated; cut off for good the resupply routes from Turkey for the gaggle of Salafi-jihadis/"moderate rebels."

Arguably the only local "capable" force for this mission is the Syrian Kurd YPG. But to solidify their position, the YPG  need to build a strong link between Kobani and the Kurdish enclave of Afrin.

And guess why they can't do it; because the Pentagon is telling them to strike south instead, towards Raqqa, ISIS/ISIL/Daesh "capital." And Turkish intelligence – which controls the resupply corridor – warned the YPG they will be bombed to oblivion if they try to expand their northern Syria base.

So the YPG needs protection to keep moving. It won't come from Ash's people. And the Russians are far away, with no boots on the northern Syrian ground.

The SAA though is only a few kilometers away from Kuweyres. It will be a nasty battle. But if they capture the military air base, they get the perfect hub for Russian and Syrian jets to protect the YPG as they close the gap between Kobani and Afrin.

The Pentagon well knows the Russians have made a deal with the Syrian Kurds; the SAA, with as much Russian support as possible, takes Kuweyres; the YPG advances towards Afrin; and the Russians keep the Turks in check. Without this chain of crucial events, it will be virtually impossible for the "4+1" – Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, plus Hezbollah – to cut off the Turkish-enabled resupply corridor for the myriad Salafi-jihadi/"moderate rebel" gaggle.

And here's where Obama's 50 immortals come in. They have been sent to the YPG command to "assist" them in not fulfilling the deal. What else is new? It makes more sense for Ash's boys to work side-by-side with Ayman al-Zawahiri's goons. The Pentagon and al-CIAaeda; what could possibly go wrong? Gotta keep the global war on terror (GWOT) as much an endless war (remember Rumsfeld?) as possible. Now that's a good reason to stop whining.

[Myrkkymies]

Painajaisesi jatkuu. Katso kun jenkkien Apache saattaa ISIS:in Toyota-kolonnaa Irakista Syyriaan.

Mistä tiedät, että

a)Autot ovat islamilaisen valtion?
b)Video on maiden rajalta?
c)Kyseessä on apache?

[Griffinvaari]

Painajaisesi jatkuu. Katso kun jenkkien Apache saattaa ISIS:in Toyota-kolonnaa Irakista Syyriaan.

Mistä tiedät, että

a)Autot ovat islamilaisen valtion?
b)Video on maiden rajalta?
c)Kyseessä on apache?

Hyviä kysymyksiä, salaa kuvattu jonkinlaisen muovin tms läpi, näyttäisi siltä että ainakin yksi ohjus laukaistaa joko maasta tai kopterista, kopteri ei käytä tykkiään lainkaan, sen profiili sopii apacheen, mutta voi sopia johonkin muuhunkin, olisi mainiota jos joku osaisi kääntää kuullun puhe äänen.

[Myrkkymies]

Kyseessä saattaa hyvinkin olla jonkin shiiamilitian saattue, jota suojaa Irakin armeijan kopteri.

Esim.

The convoy was made up of at least 130 vehicles, almost all of them flying the group's distinctive flag.

Most of the vehicles are civilian pick-ups, minivans and trucks, some converted into weapons platforms, as well as supporting tankers and ambulances.

http://www.janes.com/article/48411/iraqi-shia-militia-spotted-with-abrams-tank

Otin kuvankaappauksen videosta ja muokkasin kuvankäsittelyohjelmalla tuon kopterin ääriviivat paremmin näkyville.

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Irakin armeijalla on Mil Mi-35 koptereita, jotka ainakin omasta mielestäni ovat huomattavasti lähempänä kuvan kopteria kuin apache. Vertaa itse:
(http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/boeing_ah_64a_apache.jpg)
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[Tykkimies Pönni]

Painajaisesi jatkuu. Katso kun jenkkien Apache saattaa ISIS:in Toyota-kolonnaa Irakista Syyriaan.

Mistä tiedät, että

a)Autot ovat islamilaisen valtion?
b)Video on maiden rajalta?
c)Kyseessä on apache?

a) Oletan että ne kuuluu jollekin terroristiporukalle koska oikeat armeijat käyttävät maastokuorma-autoja. Todennäköisin vaihtoehto olisi ISIS, koska niiden Toyota-letkoista on meille paljon kuvia näytetty. Voi olla joku muukin militanttiporukka.
b) Sitä en voi tietää. Kopioin sen videon otsikosta.
c) Sitäkään en voi varmuudella tietää, mutta se näyttää hyvin paljon Apachelta ja on varmuudella tst-kopteri, mitä ei rättipäiltä löydy ja minkä liikkeet sekä ammattitaitoisten pilottien nimetkin tunnetaan Pentagonissa hyvin.

Jokaiseen postaukseen ei voi kirjoittaa auki kaikkia itsestäänselvyyksiä. Pahoittelen epävarman tiedon levittämistä. Maailma olisi varmasti parempi paikka ilman tuota videota.

[hattiwatti]

Ihan äsken tuli tieto, että ainakin osittain Kuweiresin lentokentän saarto olisi nyt murrettu Aleppossa. Rähinää alueella odotettavissa jonkun aikaa, sillä kohde on strategisesti äärimmäisen tärkeä. Se nimittäin antaisi mahdollisuuden majoittaa Venäjän ilmavoimaa lisää alueella, ja tämä osasto olisi tarkoitettu Kurdien YPG-joukkojen käyttöön. Koska Syyrian omalla armeijalla on mieshukkaa, kurditaistelijoiden integrointi tiiviimmin mukaan ISIStä vastaan edes osittain olisi tärkeää. Kaikkein isoin juttu minkä voisivat tehdä, olisi katkoa ISIS ja Jabhat-Al-Nusra huoltolinjat NATO-arvoyhteisöön kuuluvasta Turkista, Venäjän ilmavoimien tuella. Se on käytännössä kaikkein tärkein tavoite, jos ISIS olisi tarkoitus liiskata. Se olisi myös tärkeää Euroopan turvallisuuden kannalta - ISIS pakolaiset eivät pääsisi tällöin Turkin kautta Eurooppaan. Oikeastaan Euroopan kannattaisi lähettää kaikki mahdollinen sotilastuki tämän toteuttamiseksi oman turvallisuutensa turvaamiseksi, mutta transatlantistisest suhteet estävät tämän.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syrian-kurdish-leaders-planning-to-capture-last-border-crossing-with-turkey-held-by-isis-10511666.html

Mutta jos näin kävisi, Turkissa tapahtuisi aika myllerrys. Aika hyvin asiaa selittää mainio journalisti Patrick Cockburn, jonka kirjan ISIStä luin tuossa viikonloppuna.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-in-syria-air-strikes-pose-twin-threat-to-turkey-by-keeping-assad-in-power-and-strengthening-a6712626.html

Although it is not playing much of a role in the election, Turkey's policy towards the war in Syria has been a complete failure. Its aim was to get rid of Mr Assad and his regime, but both are still power. Even more seriously, whatever Ankara's intentions at the start of the conflict in 2011, it did not dream that four years later the Syrian Kurds, 10 per cent of the Syrian population, would have established a de facto state they call Rojava in north-east Syria which runs along half of Turkey's 550-mile Syrian Kurdish border. Furthermore, the mini-state is tightly controlled by the PYD, the Syrian branch of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) with whom the Turkish army has been fighting since 1984. ...  Turkey sees the Syrian Kurds – controlling a swathe of territory between the Tigris and the Euphrates – expanding under the cover of US air strikes along its southern frontier. Hence, Mr Davutoglu's warning against the YPG crossing the Euphrates and seizing Jarabulus, the last Isis-held border crossing with Turkey, and then pushing on to link up with the Kurdish enclave at Afrin.   

Turkki onkin pitkään vaatinut 'no-fly-zonea' Syyrian rajoille (kuten Libyassakin julistettiin), jotta maan ilmavoimat eivät voisi estää jihadistien pumppaamista maahan. Nyt Venäjä on tuonut S-300 IT-ohjuksia ja estänyt Turkin tai NATOn ilmavoimien mahdollisen intervention ISIS huoltolinjojen sulkemista varten. NATO-kokouksissa taidetaan olla vähän hämillään...

[hattiwatti]

Vasemmalle kallellaan oleva Independent -lehti kirjoitaa jihadistien tavasta laittaa talojen katoille häkkejä, jotka ovat täynnä paikallisia naisia. Tarkoituksena on välttyä Venäjän ilmaiskuilta käyttäen siviilejä ihmiskilpinä. Asia tuli muissa tiedotusvälineissä jo pari päivää sitten esille, mutta mielenkiintoista tässä tapauksessa on Independent -lehden tapa kirjoittaa asiasta.

Russia in Syria: Assad loyalists paraded in cages through Damascus by rebels trying to stop air strikes

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Syrian rebels have put hundreds of Assad loyalists in cages in a besieged Damascus suburb and are believed to be using them as propaganda to end the air strikes.

Local activists have said that as many as 400 men and women from President Bashar al-Assad's Alawite kin have been put in cages by members of the Army of Islam rebel group.

The militants, one of the most powerful rebel factions operating in the Douma suburb of Damascus, have been videoed driving at least 100 cages around residential areas on pick-up trucks to pressure the government to call off Russian airstrikes, according to the anti-government Shaam news agency.

(...)

Joo, kuten Nationalisti ehdotti, alawiittisiviilejä ovat. Ja mikä mielenkiintoista, nää on niitä 'maltillisia' kapinallisia.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151101/1029441835/syrian-rebels-cage-alawites.html

Vaan mikä porukka tuota tekee, joka mediaspektaakkelilla meni julkisuuteen, on identifioitu Jais-al-islam, josta vaikka tässä artikkeli:

http://sputniknews.com/military/20151109/1029811193/lesser-known-jihadists-syria.html

Commenting on the affair, French daily newspaper Le Figaro asked Alain Rodier, a terrorism expert and retired French intelligence officer about who these thugs are, and what they're about.

Rodier, a senior fellow at the French Intelligence Research Center, explained that the Army of Islam "is a nationalist Salafi movement, which limits its fight to within Syria's borders, and not an 'internationalist' group, in contrast to Al-Qaeda (Jabhat al-Nusra) or ISIL." The group "is headed by Mohammad Zahran Allouche, a former member of the Free Syrian Army. This is the largest group of rebels in the suburbs of Damascus, particularly in Ghouta. The group is believed to have about 10,000 fighters, some of whom were released from Syrian prisons in 2011, when Bashar Assad was trying to show his openness to the opposition. The Army of Islam is supported by Saudi Arabia and Qatar."

According to Rodier, the group had "refused to join a new coalition of rebels formed in Damascus in October called the Jund al-Malahim (the 'Soldiers of the Epics'). The latter group had absorbed the Jabhat al-Nusra Front (the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda), Ahrar al-Sham (the 'Islamic Movement of the Free Men of the Levant') and the Ajnad al-Sham (the 'Islamic Union of the Soldiers of the Levant'). Upon its formation, the Jund al-Malahim declared that the Ummah (community of believers) had been subjected to a 'violent attack' in the Levant and beyond, with 'the Russians joining in, having gone along the footsteps of the apostates, the crusaders and their allies'."

"The Army of Islam's refusal to join this coalition," the intelligence expert suggests, "may be connected with a desire to show themselves as a 'moderate movement' with no ties to Jabhat al-Nusra. At the same time, the Army of Islam belongs to the Islamic Front, which includes seven Salafist groups, including Ahrar al-Sham, which is part of the Jund al-Malahim, and which maintains ties with the Jabhat al-Nusra. Allouche is the Islamic Front's military commander, and Hassan Aboud, the emir of the Ahrar al-Sham, its political leader."

The situation is [further] complicated," the expert explained, "by the fact that several groups can claim the same name simultaneously, and others are periodically renamed. Finally, their members can move from one organization to another, or may even be part of several at the same time. Therefore, determining their precise affiliation can actually be extremely difficult."

"Put more simply," the terrorism expert noted, "in addition to the special case of the Islamic State, there are several coalitions fighting on different fronts in Syria."

These, in Rodier's words, include the Jaish al-Fateh (the Army of Conquest) an umbrella organization which has 30,000 fighters, including Jabhat al-Nusra, Ahrar al-Sham and five other movements. "This coalition took Idlib [northwestern Syria] in the spring of 2015, and is a threat to Latakia to the southwest, to Aleppo in the northeast and to Hama in the south. The group threatened to destabilize the Syrian government, forcing Russia to start its intervention in September. It is worth noting that in Aleppo (also in the northwest), there exists another coalition, consisting of 13 groups, including Jabhat al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham. As we have already noted, a single group can often be found in several coalitions simultaneously. The Jaish al-Fateh has rear bases in Turkey, and enjoys the secret support of a number of Gulf States."

Pepe Escobar taas kirjoitti aiheesta jo yli kaksi vuotta sitten, kun Saudirahoituksella kasa epämääräisiä kapinallisia yhdistettini Jaish-Al-Islam lipun alle, mutta suurin osa taistelijoista ja aseista totuttuun tapaan lipesi ISISiin tai Al-Nusraan.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-02-111013.html

It starts with Syria. Everybody now knows that shadow master Bandar bin Sultan, aka Bandar Bush, has been fully in charge of the war on Syria since he was appointed Director of National Intelligence by his uncle, Saudi King Abdullah.

Bandar is taking no prisoners. First he eliminated Qatar - the major financier of the so-called Free Syrian Army (FSA) - from the picture, after having a helping hand in Qatar's emir, Sheikh Hamad, deposing himself to the benefit of his son, Sheikh Tamin, in late June.

Then, in late July, Bandar spectacularly resurfaced in public during his now famous "secret" trip to Moscow to try to extort/bribe Russian President Vladimir Putin into abandoning Syria.
lisätty linkki: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-02-130813.html

Notoriously, the House of Saud's "policy" on Syria is regime change, period. This is non-negotiable in terms of dealing a blow to those "apostates" in Tehran and imprinting Saudi will on Syria, Iraq, in fact the whole, mostly Sunni Levant.

In late September, the Jaish al-Islam ("Army of Islam") entered the picture. This is a "rebel" combo of up to 50 brigades, from supposedly "moderates" to hardcore Salafis, controlled by Liwa al-Islam, which used to be part of the FSA. The warlord in charge of Jaish al-Islam is Zahran Alloush - whose father, Abdullah, is a hardcore Salafi cleric in Saudi Arabia. And the petrodollars to support him are Saudi - via Bandar Bush and his brother Prince Salman, the Saudi deputy defense minister.

If this looks like a revamp of the David Petraeus-concocted "Sunni Awakening" in Iraq in 2007 that's because it is; the difference is this Saudi-financed "awakening" is geared not to fight al-Qaeda but towards regime change.

This (in Arabic) is what Alloush wants; a resurrection of the Umayyad Caliphate (whose capital was Damascus), and to "cleanse" Damascus of Iranians, Shi'ites and Alawites. These are all considered kafir ("unbelievers"); either they submit to Salafist Islam or they must die. Anybody who interprets this stance as "moderate" has got to be a lunatic.

Incredibly as it may seem, even Ayman al-Zawahiri - as in al-Qaeda central - has issued a proclamation banning the killing of Shi'ites.
linkki: english.al-akhbar.com/content/al-qaedas-new-orders-avoid-killing-christians-and-shia

Yet this "moderate" tag is exactly at the core of the present, Bandar Bush-concocted PR campaign; sectarian warlords of the Alloush kind are being "softened", so they are palatable to a maximum range of Gulf sources of funds and, inevitably, gullible Westerners. But the heart of the matter is that Jaish al-Islam, essentially, sports just a slight chromatic difference with the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) - the al-Qaeda-linked umbrella which is the prime fighting force in Syria; as in a bunch of weaponized fanatics on varying degrees of (religious) crystal meth addiction.

Sittemmin tilanne on muuttunut että mainittu Bandan Bin Sultan, tai Bandar Bush koska oli 22 v Saudien USA suurlähettiläänä ja oikein hyvä kaveri Bushin perheen kanssa - sai kenkää, kun megalomaaninen rahanpumppaus jihadisteille kilpailleen Qatarin kanssa kuka johtaa rahanheittoa tähän toimintaan, johti lopulta lopputuloksiin jotka alkoivat hirvittää muita Saudi-hallitsijoita. Luomansa Jaish-Al-Islamin sirpaleet näemmä säilyvät, ja pääsivät nyt kunnolla julkisuuteen häkitys-tempauksensa myötä.

[jka]

Otin kuvankaappauksen videosta ja muokkasin kuvankäsittelyohjelmalla tuon kopterin ääriviivat paremmin näkyville.

Aivan loistavaa. Kiitos tästä. Internet näytti taas voimansa.

Kun näin tuon videon eilen niin katselin jo heti että ei tuo kopteri kyllä AH-64 ole. Enneminkin joku neukkuvispilä. Oli tarkoitus palata asiaan tänään ja tutkia tarkemmin mutta täällähän tuo on jo tehty.

[risto]

Otin kuvankaappauksen videosta ja muokkasin kuvankäsittelyohjelmalla tuon kopterin ääriviivat paremmin näkyville.

Aivan loistavaa. Kiitos tästä. Internet näytti taas voimansa.

Kun näin tuon videon eilen niin katselin jo heti että ei tuo kopteri kyllä AH-64 ole. Enneminkin joku neukkuvispilä. Oli tarkoitus palata asiaan tänään ja tutkia tarkemmin mutta täällähän tuo on jo tehty.

Salaliittoteoria ja todellisuus ei siis kohdannutkaan? Miten yllättävää. No, sen pahempi tosiasioille.

Yhdyn myös näkemykseen siitä, että hahmo ei näytä Apachelta.

[Nationalisti]

Syyrian armeija on vapauttanut kolme vuotta piiritettynä olleen Kuweiresin lentotukikohdan Aleppon maakunnan itäosassa. Parin viime kuukauden aikana armeija on vallannut alueella satoja neliökilometrejä. Jostain syystä suomalainen media ei ole asiasta juuri hiiskunut. Tämä on monessakin mielessä tärkeä saavutus, sillä Assad pääsi näyttämään, että iskukykyä on edelleen ja mikä tärkeintä, hän pääsi näyttämään omille joukoilleen ja kannattajakunnalleen, että armeija ei jätä kaveria pulaan vaan yrittää vapauttaa saarretut osastot. Suuri syy miespulaan on kutsuntojen välttely ja se taas johtuu siitä, ettei armeijaan luoteta. Kuvat sadoista telotetuista ja päättömistä sotilaista on tehnyt tehtävänsä. Venäjä taas pääsi näyttämään, että tosiaankin taistelevat isistä vastaan ja että heidän ansiostaan kurkunleikkaajat ovat joutuneet ahtaalle.

[hattiwatti]

^^ Nyt on vapautumassa toinenkin lentokenttä Damascuksen lähistöltä. Kyse ei ole vain symboliikasta, niihin voi asentaa lentokoneita tekemään iskuja. Toisaalta tämän kaltaisissa sisällissodissa puoli valitaan sen mukaan mikä osapuoli näyttää jäävän voitolle tai häviölle. Venäjä tulee tästä saamaan valtavasti soft poweria, sillä sotilasiskujen lisäksi koittaa järjestää myös poliittista prosessia tilanteen rauhoittamiseksi. Ilmaiskujen vaikutus kun on viime kädessä vain hyvin rajallinen, ja Syyrian armeijalla ei ole tarpeeksi sotilaita epäsymmetriseen sodankäyntiin.

http://southfront.org/syrias-internal-opposition/

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has compiled a list of Syrian opposition leaders suitable to sit at the negotiating table opposite of Bashar al-Assad. The list includes both former and current leaders of the National Coalition of Opposition and Revolutionary Forces (NCORF), the leaders of the so-called National Coordination Committee (NCC), leaders of several movements and parties as well as ethnic and religious communities, (including the Muslim Brotherhood), north-eastern tribes, influential businessmen, and cultural figures.

The list is interesting in that whereas the NCORF has as its objective the overthrow of the Assad regime which implies a certain lack of interest in a political dialogue, the NCC and several other entities represented in that list do allow for the possibility of entering into negotiations with the Assad regime. Moscow's inclusion (which no doubt was coordinated with Damascus) of even the more hardline leaders of the NCORF may represent an olive branch to the Syrian opposition as well as a veiled hint that these leaders risk being sidelined by the peace process should they decide not to participate. That olive branch is, moreover, being offered against the backdrop of the Russian military campaign and military assistance program which has rendered the prospect of opposition military victory ephemeral at best.

Russian MFA representative Mariya Zakharova said as much in her statement that "the list includes all the healthy political forces which do not use extremist or terrorist methods in order to defend their political interests."

At the same time, the list does not include about 30 opposition parties and organizations which operate on territories controlled by the Syrian Army or local regime-affiliated militias. These include the Syria National Dialogue Committee (which unites the National Party, the Party of National Youth for Justice, National Syrian Kurd Coalition, Syrian National-Social Party, and the local national dialogue committee coordinators. The SNDC, whose activities are coordinated with Damascus, has over 700 members representing these local committees which are supported by Syrian businesses and whose aim is to defend the interests of ordinary civilians against the consequences of war and economic collapse.

Another Syrian political entity, the Committee for National Democratic Action in Syria, incorporates left-wing parties and organizations which represent moderate Islamism and the business community. Its membership includes the  Druze activists from the southern province of Suveida which is currently the area of operations of the US-supported Free Syrian Army. These organizations and movements, some of which hold to strictly left-wing, even Marxist, views, have developed a plan for national reconciliation over the course of protracted and complex negotiations, and are therefore worthy of continued attention.

The Russian plan which was presented for review by the Syrian government calls for organizing a dialogue in Damascus between the government and all opposition factions willing to participate, in the form of an all-national assembly with concomitant guarantees of personal immunity and safety. Remarkably, the opposition views Russia as the guarantor of the Syrian government abiding by these terms. The all-national assembly would continue the process which was begun in Geneva, Moscow, Cairo, and Astana and culminate with the formation of a national unity government which would include the most distinguished members of key opposition and loyalist factions. The transition government would be headed by an authoritative opposition figure whose candidacy would be acceptable to all the members of the assembly. The transition government would rule for two years, following which parliamentary and presidential elections would be held.

Who are the people deemed suitable for negotiations by Moscow?

1. Abbas Habib, representing tribes of north-eastern Syria.
2. Abdelkader Senkeri, business community.
3. Ayman Asfari, owner of the Asfari Fund charity organization.
4. Amina Ossi, north-eastern Syria local government representative.
5. Aref Dalila, leader of Damascus Spring liberal movement.
6. Ahmed al-Jarba, former NCORF chair.
7. Ahmed Muaz al-Hatib, former NCORF chair.
8. Badr Jamus, former NCORF general secretary.
9. Walid al-Bunni, independent opposition, former member of the Syrian National Council.
10. Jamal Suleiman, actor, intelligentsia representative.
11. Qadri Jamil, National Front for Change and Liberation.
12. Luai Husein, Party for Syrian State Building leader.
13. Lama al-Attasi, Party of Syrian Unity general secretary.
14. Majed Habbo, Christian movement for Democracy and Peace.
15. Mazen Maghribiyya, National Front for Change and Liberation.
16. Mahmud Marai, head of the Committee for Patriotic Democratic Action.
17. Michel Kilo, leader of Syrian Democratic Platform.
18. Mona Ganim, Party for Syrian State Building.
19. Munir Hamish, associate of the Haisam Manna, former coordinator of the NCC.
20. Mohammed Faruk Taifur, Muslim Brotherhood.
21. Muhammed Habash, Muslim Brotherhood.
22. Nimrud Slaiman, Assyrian community, lives in Chicago.
23. Randa Kassis, Movement for Pluralist Society.
24. Rim Turkmani, human rights defender, astrophysicist at the Imperial College of London.
25. S. al-Shami, religious leader, lives in Istanbul.
26. Salih Muslim Muhammad, representative of the Kurdish party Democratic Union.
27. Salim Kheir-bek, Democratic Tribune.
28. Samir Aita, former member of the Democratic Forum.
29. Savfan Aqqyash, Party of Communist Action.
30. Surhabib Barsum, oppositionist from Khasek.
31. Fanar al-Quait, oppositionist from Khasek.
32. Fateh Hamus, National Front for Change and Liberation.
33. Khadi al-Bakhra, former NCORF chair.
34. Khaled al-Makhamid, business community
35. Khaled Isa, representative of the Kurdish party Democratic Union.
36. Khaled Khodja, NCORF chair.
37. Hasan Abdel-Azim, National Coordinating Committee main coordinator.
28. Khaisam Manna, former foreign coordinator of the NCC, head of the Quamnah organization.

[foobar]

Damaskoksesta ja lentokentistä: tulin kotiin eilen erään Arabian niemimaalla olevan kentän kautta. Viereiseltä portilta lähti lento kohteeseen, josta suomalaisen mediapropagandan mukaan voi liikkua lähinnä jalan ja meren yli uimalla. Niin, Damaskokseen. Asiassa ei ollut koneeseen menneiden mielestä mitään kovin erikoista.

Itse sanoisin, ettei valtiosta jonka pääkaupunkiin pääsee isolla koneella, säännöllisillä reittilennoilla ei ole välttämättä mitään tarvetta pakenemiseen. Puhumattakaan sen naapureista...

[Nationalisti]

Itse sanoisin, ettei valtiosta jonka pääkaupunkiin pääsee isolla koneella, säännöllisillä reittilennoilla ei ole välttämättä mitään tarvetta pakenemiseen. Puhumattakaan sen naapureista...

No nyt on taas pettämätöntä logiikkaa. 

[sr]

Damaskoksesta ja lentokentistä: tulin kotiin eilen erään Arabian niemimaalla olevan kentän kautta. Viereiseltä portilta lähti lento kohteeseen, josta suomalaisen mediapropagandan mukaan voi liikkua lähinnä jalan ja meren yli uimalla. Niin, Damaskokseen. Asiassa ei ollut koneeseen menneiden mielestä mitään kovin erikoista.

Itse sanoisin, ettei valtiosta jonka pääkaupunkiin pääsee isolla koneella, säännöllisillä reittilennoilla ei ole välttämättä mitään tarvetta pakenemiseen. Puhumattakaan sen naapureista...

Miten ihmeessä yhden lentokentän käytössä olo todistaa tuon asian koskien koko maata ja kaikkia siellä asuvia kansanryhmiä? Heitetään tähän nyt kuuluisa natsi-kortti. Sinun logiikallasi juutalaisilla ei ollut mitään syytä paeta Saksasta niin kauan, kun Berliinin lentokenttä oli käytössä.

[hattiwatti]

http://atimes.com/2015/11/and-heres-the-top-ten-terrorist-list-escobar/

Episode two of the Vienna charade – sorry, the Syrian peace talks – this Saturday comes with a show biz package; all 20 players on the table are supposed to come up with a definitive Syria terrorist list. As in who gets a seat to talk about prospective Syria unity in the future, and who qualifies for being bombed.

This is inbuilt – Chinese box-style – in a truly surrealist ploy; a purported Syria peace plan that should include a ceasefire between Damascus and some "opposition groups." As if ISIS/ISIL/Daesh goon squads would respect any ceasefire.

So imagine the frenzy at that Viennese table. One man's jihadi is another man's "freedom fighter." Not to mention that according to the Beltway ethos, anyone subscribing to "Assad must go" is a "moderate rebel."

The usual suspects – US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar – have unsurprisingly pre-empted the move, fiercely defending their (moderate) Rebels With a Cause. These are the ones that would respect democratic elections in Syria; respect other religious groups; would be willing to negotiate with anybody; would respect a ceasefire, de-weaponize and abide by the political transition; and would never engage in global jihad. All of the above, of course, if you take them at face value.

Turkish Sultan Erdogan is the undisputed protector saint of "moderate rebels." So let's see how some outfits praised his recent electoral landslide.

What passes for the Free Syrian Army (FSA) sent congratulations. Same for Khaled Khoja, chairman of the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces.

The Army of Conquest, which groups all sorts of goons, from hardcore jihadis to discreet Salafis, and is heavily weaponized via Saudi money said, "We are ardently awaiting the day of Assad's collapse and the building of brotherhood bridges between the people of Turkey and Syrians."

The Syrian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood – totally supported by the ruling AKP, not to mention Qatar – predictably praised the AKP and "the Turkish people."

All in all, around 15 opposition outfits hailed the Sultan. These will definitely not make the Top Ten terrorist list.

But Vienna, we got a problem. Many, if not the majority of these outfits, are striking "non-hostility pacts" with ISIS/ISIL/Daesh. Daesh will lead the terrorist list. In fact it may be THE terrorist list itself; Jabhat al-Nusra, a.k.a. al-Qaeda in Syria, are regarded as "moderate rebels" by Washington. What gives?

Meanwhile, as reported by Lebanon's Al Mayadeen, US military advisors are already training "moderate rebels" near Salma, in Latakia province, very close to Russia's air base.

For his part Muhammad Bazarbashi, the leader of the Army of Damascus outfit (3,000 fighters north of Aleppo), told the Anatolian News Agency they are ready to help Ankara fight PKK/PYD Kurds in Syria. Compare it with the fact PKK/PYD are side-by-side with the Americans in the fight to liberate Sinjar in Iraq.

So expect NATO member Turkey to forcefully defend outfits such as these in Vienna – even if they go against American interests.

Bets can be made that Sultan Erdogan, now on a full-fledged ego trip, won't admit his "strategy" in Syria is in tatters. Even the ultimately demented option – the Turkish Army invading northern Syria – is not out of the cards. Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu – who buried his own "zero problems with our neighbors" policy – is now frantically spinning Turkey would join a hypothetical "coalition ground operation" targeting ISIS/ISIL/Daesh, with Washington leading from behind.

Ankara is planning by itself to send no less than 10,700 soldiers to invade northern Syria 46 kilometers deep in mid-December to allegedly fight ISIS/ISIL/Daesh. The real target would not be ISIS/ISIL/Daesh, of course; but PKK/PYD Kurds. And ultimately, that would pit Turkey directly against the "4+1" (Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq plus Hezbollah).

Neglecting all setbacks so far, Erdogan has not given up on his pet "buffer zone" north of Aleppo. That would be Erdogan's "gift" to the EU: "solving" the refugee crisis via 17 security zones, 11 logistics bases and 6 refugee camps. Inside Syrian territory.

This is arguably Erdogan's pièce de résistance at the G20 summit in Antalya starting this weekend. After unveiling the cake, he will pass the hat around the Big Table; after all he needs the cash to buy it. Russia, of course, reserves the right to smash the cake in the Sultan's face.

Selected sound minds in the Pentagon – they do exist — must have been forced to admit that facing the recent advances of "4+1", Erdogan's dream is now a no-go.

Or not. Take this hallucinatory, straight from the Cheney regime-era spin that the US needs boots on the ground to "occupy" and even "govern" parts of Syria.

Vienna and Antalya may end up with a certified terrorist list of One (the fake "Caliphate") and a check for the invasion of northern Syria.

The rest of us may find consolation in Shelley's long-lost 1811 poem – composed when he was a 18-year-old student at Oxford – just acquired by the Bodleian Library, where he writes about "cold advisers of yet colder kings" and political leaders who lend "to each smooth rogue a courtier's smile."

[hattiwatti]

Kommenttina ylläolevaan; niin groteskilta kuin se kuulostaakin, niin Pariisissa vuotanut veri saattaa vielä ehkäistä paljon verenvuodatusta.

Se nimittäin pakottaisi rajoittamaan Syyrian rauhanneuvotteluissa harrastettavaa pelleilyä 'moderaattikapinallisten' kuten Al-nusran & hengenheimolaisten kanssa. Eihän sillä mitään väliä jos tappavat kymmenin tuhansin vaikkapa Syyrian kristittyjä. Mutta anti olla jos vähänkin leviää niiden kotikentälle jotka Assadia ja Qaddafia olivat kaatamassa, niin sitten otetaan kyllä vakavasti. Tavallaan oksettaa moinen kaksinaismoralismi, mutta näinhän se menee.

Friday's night string of terror attacks in Paris will affect the agenda of Syria talks due to begin in Vienna, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Saturday.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151114/1030089021/paris-attack-syria-agenda.html#ixzz3rSSmF0I8

[foobar]

Damaskoksesta ja lentokentistä: tulin kotiin eilen erään Arabian niemimaalla olevan kentän kautta. Viereiseltä portilta lähti lento kohteeseen, josta suomalaisen mediapropagandan mukaan voi liikkua lähinnä jalan ja meren yli uimalla. Niin, Damaskokseen. Asiassa ei ollut koneeseen menneiden mielestä mitään kovin erikoista.

Itse sanoisin, ettei valtiosta jonka pääkaupunkiin pääsee isolla koneella, säännöllisillä reittilennoilla ei ole välttämättä mitään tarvetta pakenemiseen. Puhumattakaan sen naapureista...

Miten ihmeessä yhden lentokentän käytössä olo todistaa tuon asian koskien koko maata ja kaikkia siellä asuvia kansanryhmiä? Heitetään tähän nyt kuuluisa natsi-kortti. Sinun logiikallasi juutalaisilla ei ollut mitään syytä paeta Saksasta niin kauan, kun Berliinin lentokenttä oli käytössä.

Mihin asti ne juutalaiset sieltä Saksasta pakenivat? Monille tuntui riittävän yksinkertaisesti Natsi-Saksan valta-alueelta poispääsy. Nykyisellään kuitenkin vakuutellaan, että on täysin luontevaa, että rauhallisilta Irakin alueilta on perusteltua paeta muiden arabimaiden sijaan esimerkiksi Suomeen. Eivät ne juutalaiset väenväkisin hakeutuneet paikkoihin joissa eivät voisi elättää itseään ja joita vihaavat yli kaiken. Monet tämän päivän tulijoista tuntuvat niin tekevän, koska heillä on mielessään vain kaksi ajatusta: taikaseinä ja vallankumous. Ne jotka hakevat vain turvallista elinpaikkaa eivät tänne asti tule.

[ArtturiE]

Pariisin iskuun pitää nyt vastata massiivisella iskulla isiksen tukikohtiin.
Isiksen hallussa olevat öljyntuotantolaitokset pitää tehdä toimimattomiksi.
En sulkisi pois ydinaseenkaan käyttöä alueella.

[Jaska Pankkaaja]

No tämä media on varmasti  riiippumaton mutta kuitenkin:

http://riippumatonmedia.com/2015/11/14/putin-turkin-lahettilaalle-%C2%A8kaske-diktaattoripresidenttisi-painua-vittuun-ja-ottaa-isis-terroristi-ystavansa-mukaansa%C2%A8/

PUTIN TURKIN LÄHETTILÄÄLLE: ¨KÄSKE DIKTAATTORIPRESIDENTTISI PAINUA VITTUUN JA OTTAA ISIS TERRORISTI YSTÄVÄNSÄ MUKAANSA!¨

Putin uhkasi katkaista kaikki yhteydet Turkin kanssa mikäli se ei lopeta Islamilaisen valtion tukemista.

Videolla tarkempaa analyysia.

Putin uhkasi katkaista kaikki yhteydet Turkin kanssa mikäli se ei lopeta Islamilaisen valtion tukemista.

Mikäli totta niin pisteet Putinille, ja somaleille tietysti.

Ilman Turkkia ISIS olisi enemmän kusessa joten Turkki on varmasti ainakin osasyyllinen alueen kauhuun..

[Nuivanlinna]

Pariisin iskuun pitää nyt vastata massiivisella iskulla isiksen tukikohtiin.
Isiksen hallussa olevat öljyntuotantolaitokset pitää tehdä toimimattomiksi.
En sulkisi pois ydinaseenkaan käyttöä alueella.

Euroopan pitää luoda painetta terrorismin ykköstukijaan Saudi-Arabiaan, sieltä se islamismi saa tukensa ja rahoituksensa.

[ArtturiE]

Pariisin iskuun pitää nyt vastata massiivisella iskulla isiksen tukikohtiin.
Isiksen hallussa olevat öljyntuotantolaitokset pitää tehdä toimimattomiksi.
En sulkisi pois ydinaseenkaan käyttöä alueella.

Euroopan pitää luoda painetta terrorismin ykköstukijaan Saudi-Arabiaan, sieltä se islamismi saa tukensa ja rahoituksensa.

USA:n liittolaisena ja toisaalta äärivanhoillisena islamin tulkitsijana Saudit ajaa kaksilla rattailla, ja öljyntuottajana sillä on valtaa. Paineen luonti on haasteellista.

[ArtturiE]

No tämä media on varmasti  riiippumaton mutta kuitenkin:

http://riippumatonmedia.com/2015/11/14/putin-turkin-lahettilaalle-%C2%A8kaske-diktaattoripresidenttisi-painua-vittuun-ja-ottaa-isis-terroristi-ystavansa-mukaansa%C2%A8/

PUTIN TURKIN LÄHETTILÄÄLLE: ¨KÄSKE DIKTAATTORIPRESIDENTTISI PAINUA VITTUUN JA OTTAA ISIS TERRORISTI YSTÄVÄNSÄ MUKAANSA!¨

Putin uhkasi katkaista kaikki yhteydet Turkin kanssa mikäli se ei lopeta Islamilaisen valtion tukemista.

Videolla tarkempaa analyysia.

Putin uhkasi katkaista kaikki yhteydet Turkin kanssa mikäli se ei lopeta Islamilaisen valtion tukemista.

Mikäli totta niin pisteet Putinille, ja somaleille tietysti.

Ilman Turkkia ISIS olisi enemmän kusessa joten Turkki on varmasti ainakin osasyyllinen alueen kauhuun..

Isis uhkasi iskeä Venäjää vastaan tai Venäjällä.  Toistuuko Pariisin terrrori-iskun tapainen teko Venäjää vastaan, se jää nähtäväksi.  Venäjälläkin maan eteläiset rajat on huonommn vartioitu kuin läntiset ja pohjoiset.  Lähetystöt on perinteisiä kohteita.  Helsingissäkin tällainen voisi olla mahdollista.

[Gunnar Hymén]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGfSbxNsk3U

Venäjä on vissiin ihan tosissaan, fosforipommia ISIS-ukkojen niskaan, rumannäköstä touhua. eivät hirveästi siis kunnioittaneet Isiksen iskua ranskaan näemmä.