2011-09-01: Der Spiegel: Tuomiovalta siirtymässä sharia-oikeuksille

[M.]

Der Spiegel kirjoittaa tuomiovallan siirtymisestä muslimien omille sharia-oikeusistuimille Saksassa.

The public prosecutor's office in Berlin initiated proceedings against Mustafa O., a Palestinian man who had come to their attention repeatedly for violent acts. Police had investigated him in a number of cases, and now prosecutors saw an opportunity to convict a dangerous repeat offender. But when the case began, Fuat S., the principle witness, unexpectedly withdrew his testimony. It was not Mustafa who had tortured him, he said, but an Albanian man he didn't know. Mustafa, he said, wasn't even in the basement at the time. This was clearly a lie, as police analysis of telephone data showed, but the judge was forced to acquit the defendant due to lack of evidence.

The decision, in fact, was reached by a different judge. According to police, the victim's and the perpetrator's families had met at a restaurant in the presence of an Islamic "justice of the peace," an arbitrator who mediates conflicts between Muslims. The two families had reached a compromise: Fuat would drop the charges, and in exchange be relieved of part of his debt.

The late juvenile court judge Kirsten Heisig drew attention to this problem a year ago: "The law is slipping out of our hands. It's moving to the streets, or into a parallel system where an imam or another representative of the Koran determines what must be done."

In Wagner's book, judges and prosecutors tell of threats toward public officials and systematic interference with witnesses. "We know we're being given a performance, but the courts are powerless," says Stephan Kuperion, a juvenile court judge in Berlin. Federal public prosecutor Jörn Hauschild warns, "It would be a terrible development if serious criminal offences in these circles could no longer be resolved. The legal system would be reduced to collecting victims."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,783361,00.html

[chacha2]

Der Spiegel kirjoittaa tuomiovallan siirtymisestä muslimien omille sharia-oikeusistuimille Saksassa.

The public prosecutor's office in Berlin initiated proceedings against Mustafa O., a Palestinian man who had come to their attention repeatedly for violent acts. Police had investigated him in a number of cases, and now prosecutors saw an opportunity to convict a dangerous repeat offender. But when the case began, Fuat S., the principle witness, unexpectedly withdrew his testimony. It was not Mustafa who had tortured him, he said, but an Albanian man he didn't know. Mustafa, he said, wasn't even in the basement at the time. This was clearly a lie, as police analysis of telephone data showed, but the judge was forced to acquit the defendant due to lack of evidence.

The decision, in fact, was reached by a different judge. According to police, the victim's and the perpetrator's families had met at a restaurant in the presence of an Islamic "justice of the peace," an arbitrator who mediates conflicts between Muslims. The two families had reached a compromise: Fuat would drop the charges, and in exchange be relieved of part of his debt.

The late juvenile court judge Kirsten Heisig drew attention to this problem a year ago: "The law is slipping out of our hands. It's moving to the streets, or into a parallel system where an imam or another representative of the Koran determines what must be done."

In Wagner's book, judges and prosecutors tell of threats toward public officials and systematic interference with witnesses. "We know we're being given a performance, but the courts are powerless," says Stephan Kuperion, a juvenile court judge in Berlin. Federal public prosecutor Jörn Hauschild warns, "It would be a terrible development if serious criminal offences in these circles could no longer be resolved. The legal system would be reduced to collecting victims."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,783361,00.html

Kristen Heisig oli Saksan "rohkein nuorisotumari". Kuoli hyvin oudoissa olosuhteissa juuri ennenkuin hanen kirjansa "Das Ende der Geduld" julkaistiin.

Kirsten Heisig puhuu tyøstaan ja nuorisovakivallasta (saksan television reportaasi)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOQda5kOTUo
Opettajia hakataan sairaalakuntoon, nuoria saksalaisia ryøstetaan julmasti ja uhreja nøyryytetaan: " Senkin saksalainen sika", "Saatanan kristitty" jne.
Videossa mainitaan myøs etta bussikuskit ovat suosittu vakivallan kohde (6.36). Puhutaan ilmiøsta "Happy slapping".
Ja etta tekijat ovat useimmiten ulkomaalaistaustaisia.

Suosittelen. Valaiseva.

[Juha J.]

Totuutta vai vihapuhetta?

[LW]

Totuutta vai vihapuhetta?

Kuinka niin totuutta vai vihapuhetta? Oikeudenkäynneissä "kansanryhmää vastaan kiihottamisesta" kunnostautunut Mika Illman kirjoitti muistaakseni Ellilän oikeudenkäynnissä lainaamastaan väitöskirjassaan tästä aiheesta suurinpiirtein niin, että laissa kielletty "solvaaminen" pitää sisällään myös "sinänsä paikkansapitävät väitteet, jotka on esitetty loukkaustarkoituksessa".

Wikipedia määrittelee vihapuheen puolestaan näin:

"Hate speech is, outside the law, any communication that disparages a person or a group on the basis of some characteristic such as race, color, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, religion, or other characteristic. In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group."

Sillä, pitääkö joku väite paikkansa vai ei, ei ole yhtään mitään tekemistä sen kanssa, onko se vihapuhetta. Tämä on kenties tärkein syy sille, että koko käsite on niin syvältä harmonikasta.

[Juha J.]

Kiitos LW.

[chacha2]

Social Democrat Heinz Buschkowsky, mayor of the Neukølln district of Berlin, said as early as 2004 that "Multiculturalism has failed".

www.ip-global.org/2010/12/20/no-escape-from-integration

Ei minulla muuta.

[Jouko]

Google-kääntäjällä tulee karmeaa kapulasuomea. Sitä ei ole syytä käyttää ainakaan allekirjoitussitaateissa. Eikä oikein muutenkaan.

[mishrak]

Samaa asiaa englanniksi Deutsche Wellessä.

Author sees domestic Islamic threat to German justice system

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15353693,00.html

[foobar]

Google-kääntäjällä tulee karmeaa kapulasuomea. Sitä ei ole syytä käyttää ainakaan allekirjoitussitaateissa. Eikä oikein muutenkaan.

Googlen kääntäjä tulee kohtuullisesti toimeen suomen kanssa kun se on lähdekieli, mutta toimintaperiaatteensa vuoksi kohdekieleksi suomen valinta on yksinkertaisesti typerää. Kannattaa käyttää englantia kohdekielenä, jos sitä edes auttavasti ymmärtää ja haluaa saada aiheesta jotain tolkkuakin.