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Started by K.K., 20.12.2012, 11:39:36

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Kuinka monta sotilasta Isisillä voisi olla?

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Mato

Quote from: Nuivanlinna on 21.07.2016, 13:17:21
^^ Hieman on sotaministeripuolueenkin prioriteetit eksyksissä kun kaiken maailman al Harakat al Pääniirrotus koalitioiden hännystelyyn riittää rahaa, mutta ei niille jotka....

QuoteValtion tuki ei riitä kaikille sotaveteraaneille: sata jäi ilman kuntoutusta Etelä-Karjalassa
http://www.esaimaa.fi/m/Online/2016/05/20/Valtion%20tuki%20ei%20riit%C3%A4%20kaikille%20sotaveteraaneille%3A%20sata%20j%C3%A4i%20ilman%20kuntoutusta%20Etel%C3%A4-Karjalassa/2016520785562/563
Lähes sata sotiemme veteraania ei päässyt hakemaansa kuntoutukseen Etelä-Karjalassa viime vuonna.

Syynä on valtion määrärahan niukkuus.

Tukirahat ovat vähissä muutenkin, kertoo veteraanineuvoja Sanna Nurmiainen Eksotelta.

Kotiin annettavia tukipalveluita ei voida myöntää rahapulan takia läheskään kaikille tarvitsijoille. Jonossa on tälläkin hetkellä liki 50 veteraania.

Tilanne harmittaa veteraanineuvojaa. Hänestä palvelu pitäisi myöntää veteraanin tarpeen, eikä määrärahan riittävyyden mukaan....naps....

Mutta kun Niinistöä (ministeri) kehuttiin oikein USA:n puolustusministerin suulla, kun osallistuu jälleenrakentamiseen, niin ei siinä satakunta eteläkarjalalaista sotaveteraania paljon paina.

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000001224563.html

Niinistö voisi sitten selitellä, miksi tuolla tukimomentilla on noin paljon rahaa käytettävissä, kun ei omille veteraaneille riitä tarpeeksi.

Toinen asia, eikös kuitenkin veteraaneille ole kerätty varusmiesten toimesta aika paljon rahaa juuri tähän tarkoitukseen, vai onko nekin rahat jyvitetty johonkin muuhun 'hyötykäyttöön'?

- Mato

hattiwatti

No siis Niinistö käynee laskemassa jonkun seppeleen veteraanien haudoille, ja ehkä vielä sytyttää kynttilänkin. Näin hän kokee isänmaallista värinää.

Tärkeintä on kuitenkin führerin palveleminen autoritäärisessä hengessä, ja hänelle taas on tärkeintä 'merentakaisten ystävien' tyytyväisenä pitäminen - he kun haluavat imeä Suomen omia tarkoituksiaan varten ja jos haluaa olla vasalli niin tulee toki tunnustaa kuka on kuningas.

xor_rox

Quote from: Lasse on 19.07.2016, 21:15:15
Maltilliset päänleikkaajat:

Allahu akbar – ja pikkupojalta pää irti!
http://mvlehti.net/2016/07/19/allahu-akbar-ja-pikkupojalta-paa-irti-tata-on-islam-video-kuvat-k-18/

Ikävii kuvei - ei kande kattoa...

US considers a 'Pause' in supplies for Moderate Rebels beheading a child in Syria -- State Dept Rep

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x6yTteePJMU (02:17)

Sivustakatsoja

Quote from: Lasse on 20.06.2016, 13:13:46
Kohta jotakuta sattuu leukaan, kun tarpeeksi kikkaillaan:

F/A-18s tried to stop Russian Su-34s from bombing U.S.-back Syrian rebels

Quote from: xor_rox on 20.07.2016, 01:29:08
Presidentti Obama on viime aikoina puhunut mahdollisesta yhteistyöstä Venäjän kanssa Syyrian kriisin ratkaisemiseksi. Syitä voi vain arvailla, mutta joidenkin arvioiden mukaan Obama ei halua jättää presidenttikautensa perinnöksi nykyisen kaltaista kaaosta.

Ainakin Fox News (alunperin Wall Street Journal) uutisoi, että nämä kaksi olisivat kytköksissä: tarinan mukaan Venäjä pommitti USA:n ja brittien erikoisjoukkojen käyttämää salaista tukikohtaa Syyrian ja Jordanian rajan tuntumassa saadakseen painostettua USA:n suostumaan yhteistyöhön.

Russian warplanes reportedly bombed US base in Syria
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Russian warplanes reportedly bombed a secret military base in Syria used by elite American and British forces last month.

The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday that the Russian strike on the CIA-linked site was part of a campaign by Russia to pressure the White House to agree to closer cooperation in the Syrian skies, U.S. military and intelligence officials said.

Despite the fact that some forces could have been killed and the bombing dampened relations between Russia and the Pentagon and CIA, the White House and State Department still perused a compromise.

The U.S. and Russia agreed to a pact last week to target airstrikes against the Al Qaeda affiliate in the region – Nusra Front – despite objections from the Pentagon and CIA. Russia agreed to stop airstrikes on U.S.-backed rebels and restrain the Syrian air campaign. The two sides are still talking about designations where Russia would need U.S. approval to conduct an airstrike.

According to The Wall Street Journal, deal backers in the White House and State Department believe U.S. airstrikes on the Nusra Front in areas that were previously occupied by Russian forces would provide protection for allies in Syria.

However, officials in the Pentagon and CIA contend that Washington bowed to Moscow in the deal and believe that the U.S. needs to confront Russia.

The Russian strike on the base occurred on June 16. The U.S. and British forces help maintain what is described as a buffer zone in Jordan. Forces go into Syria to help protect Jordan from Islamic State, U.S. officials told The Journal. Forces didn't spend the night, due to security reasons.

Nearly a day before the strike, 20 of 24 British special forces pulled out of the base. The U.S. tracked a Russian plane heading toward the base. The warplane dropped a cluster bomb, according to U.S. and rebel officials.

After the first strike, U.S. central command air operations center in Qatar called Russia's air campaign headquarters in Latakia, Syria to tell them that the base shouldn't be attacked.

However, Russian forces struck again nearly 90 minutes after the call was made. Russian pilots didn't respond to U.S. calls using frequencies the two sides had previously agreed to use in case of an emergency.

törö

Quote from: Sivustakatsoja on 22.07.2016, 13:44:54
Ainakin Fox News (alunperin Wall Street Journal) uutisoi, että nämä kaksi olisivat kytköksissä: tarinan mukaan Venäjä pommitti USA:n ja brittien erikoisjoukkojen käyttämää salaista tukikohtaa Syyrian ja Jordanian rajan tuntumassa saadakseen painostettua USA:n suostumaan yhteistyöhön.

Mun on hyvin vaikea uskoa tuohon tarinaan, koska ei tuolla tyylillä ole koskaan saanut kavereita.

Pikemminkin tulee mieleen sellainen vaihtoehto, että salaiset tukikohdat haluttiin saada julkisuuteen, jotta alkaisi syntyä sekavia CIA-teorioita. Niistä on kumminkin aika paljon harmia jos vasemmisto innostuu huutamaan niistä.

xor_rox

Quote from: törö on 22.07.2016, 18:09:52
Quote from: Sivustakatsoja on 22.07.2016, 13:44:54
Ainakin Fox News (alunperin Wall Street Journal) uutisoi, että nämä kaksi olisivat kytköksissä: tarinan mukaan Venäjä pommitti USA:n ja brittien erikoisjoukkojen käyttämää salaista tukikohtaa Syyrian ja Jordanian rajan tuntumassa saadakseen painostettua USA:n suostumaan yhteistyöhön.

Mun on hyvin vaikea uskoa tuohon tarinaan, koska ei tuolla tyylillä ole koskaan saanut kavereita...

Nyt ei selvinnyt, mihin osuuteen tarinassa et usko, mutta jotain merkillistä siellä tuolloin tapahtui. Asiasta oli epämääräistä uutisointia ja melkoista diplomaattien välistä keskustelua näytettiin käydyn kulisseissa jo tapauksen jälkeen. Uutistoimistot arvioivat aiemmin kohteena olleen USA:n tukemat ryhmät, mutta tässä Foxin uutisessa uutta on tieto, että kysymyksessä olisikin ollut USAn ja Britannian omat erikoisjoukot sekä se, että Venäjä olisi tällä painostanut ko. maita, mikä toisaalta kertoisi aivan käsittämättömän kovasta pelistä Venäjän puolelta.

Kuli

#5286
Tässä pidempi juttu Venäläisten iskusta CIA:n tukikohtaan(eli jihadisti assettien) Wall street journalista:

The Wall Street Journal: Russia Bombed Base in Syria Used by U.S.

An outpost near the Jordanian border that is used by U.S. and British special forces was hit by the airstrikes last month

When Russian aircraft bombed a remote garrison in southeastern Syria last month, alarm bells sounded at the Pentagon and the Ministry of Defense in London.

The Russians weren't bombarding a run-of-the-mill rebel outpost, according to U.S. officials. Their target was a secret base of operations for elite American and British forces. In fact, a contingent of about 20 British special forces had pulled out of the garrison 24 hours earlier. British officials declined to comment.

U.S. military and intelligence officials say the previously unreported close call for Western forces on June 16, and a subsequent Russian strike on a site linked to the Central Intelligence Agency, were part of a campaign by Moscow to pressure the Obama administration to agree to closer cooperation in the skies over Syria.

The risk that U.S. and British forces could have been killed at the border garrison hardened opposition at the Pentagon and the CIA to accommodating the Russians. But White House and State Department officials, wary of an escalation in U.S. military involvement in Syria, decided to pursue a compromise.

Yury Melnik, a spokesman for the Russian embassy in Washington, referred questions about the incidents to the Russian Defense Ministry, which didn't respond to a request for comment.

A provisional agreement reached by Secretary of State John Kerry in Moscow last week—over Pentagon and CIA objections—calls for the former Cold War adversaries to join forces in strikes against the Nusra Front, Syria's al Qaeda affiliate. In exchange for the U.S. easing Moscow's international isolation, Russia would halt airstrikes on the U.S.-backed rebels and restrain the Syrian air force.

Talks are still under way between U.S. and Russian experts over the designated areas where the Russians would have to get Washington's approval before conducting strikes.

Proponents of the deal in the White House and the State Department say it will allow the U.S. to target Nusra in areas which have been off limits to American attack aircraft for months because of Russian deployments, and will provide a measure of protection to U.S. allies on the ground in Syria whom the Russians and Syrians were targeting in their air campaigns.

Critics of the deal at the Pentagon and the CIA say the White House gave in to Russian bullying and voiced doubt that Moscow would abide by the terms of the agreement. They say the U.S. needs to confront the Russians more squarely. White House and State Department officials are wary of intensifying a costly proxy fight that could exacerbate the level of violence in Syria.

Since its armed intervention on behalf of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad last September, the Russian air force has conducted hundreds of sorties against CIA-backed rebels fighting his government, fueling U.S. anger.

Mr. Melnik, the Russian embassy spokesman, said, "In reality, the only objective Russia pursues in Syria is fighting terrorism. And we believe that better coordination of Russian and American efforts would contribute to effective pursuit of this objective, as well as to a diplomatic solution of the Syrian crisis."

Officials close to Mr. Kerry said he shares the skepticism of military and intelligence officials about Russian intentions, which was why he inserted a clause during the negotiations to allow the U.S. to unilaterally suspend cooperation with the Russians if they started bombing U.S. allies again.

U.S. and British special forces based in Jordan cross the border into Syria on missions, helping maintain an unofficial buffer zone on Syrian soil to protect Jordan from Islamic State, U.S. officials said. The special forces would rendezvous with their rebel allies at the garrison, initially used by the CIA. For security reasons, the forces wouldn't spend the night.

A contingent of about 20 British special forces pulled out of the facility less than 24 hours before the U.S. tracked Russian aircraft on June 16 flying across Syria to the garrison, according to U.S. military and intelligence officials briefed on the strike. The aircraft dropped cluster munitions on the target, according to U.S. officials and rebel commanders.

After that first Russian strike, officers with the U.S. military's Central Command air operations center in Qatar called their counterparts in Russia's air campaign headquarters in Latakia, Syria, U.S. officials said. The American officers told the Russians that the garrison was part of the U.S. campaign against Islamic State and shouldn't be attacked.

Roughly 90 minutes after the U.S. warning was delivered, U.S. aircraft circling nearby watched as the Russians launched a second wave of strikes against the garrison.

A U.S. military surveillance aircraft overhead tried to hail the Russian pilots directly using the frequencies which the U.S. and Russian governments had agreed to use in emergencies.

The Russian pilots didn't respond.

U.S. officials said four rebels were killed in the Russian strikes.

After the Russian aircraft returned to base in western Syria, the Pentagon demanded that Moscow explain what happened.

Russian military officials initially told their Pentagon counterparts that Russian pilots intentionally struck the garrison, but thought it was an Islamic State facility, according to the U.S. officials briefed on the incident.

U.S. military and intelligence officials rejected that explanation and said the Russian pilots would have been able to tell from the air that the garrison wasn't an Islamic State facility because of the unique ways in which it was fortified.

Among the protective measures surrounding At-Tanf were interlocking sandbag walls that are a signature characteristic of U.S. and British bases in the region.

The Russians then told the Americans that the Jordanians had approved of the strikes in advance. U.S. officials said they checked with Amman and were told by their Jordanian counterparts that they had never given Moscow a green light.

The Russians later told the Americans that their air command headquarters in Syria wasn't in a position to call off the strikes because officers with U.S. Central Command didn't provide Moscow with the precise coordinates for the garrison.

U.S. officials said the Pentagon had never specifically asked the Russians to steer clear of the area around the At-Tanf garrison because it wasn't close to any of the front lines between the Assad regime and opposing forces and because Russian aircraft didn't operate in that part of Syria.

Moreover, distrust of Russian intentions ran so deep within the U.S. military and the CIA that U.S. officials didn't want to tell the Russians any more than they had to, officials said.

The strike sharpened divisions within the administration. Military and intelligence officials said it showed why Moscow couldn't be trusted. Administration officials in favor of the deal said the strike illustrated why refusing to cooperate with the Russians carried risks.

Following the strike, the U.S. gave the Russians some additional information about U.S. operations along the Jordanian border. U.S. officials said they told Moscow to steer clear of the border area.

But on July 12, as Mr. Kerry was preparing to fly to Moscow to complete the agreement to increase U.S.-Russian coordination, Russian aircraft targeted another base near the Jordanian border, about 50 miles from At-Tanf, used by family members of CIA-backed fighters and other displaced Syrians, according to U.S. officials briefed on the strike and rebel commanders.

Tllass Salameh, a commander with the Lions of the East rebel group which works out of the base, said 200 people were living at the "families' camp."

In the strike, the Russians used cluster munitions, which increased the number of casualties, according to Mr. Salameh and U.S. officials. Mr. Salameh said two young children, aged two and three, were killed along with two young women and a man in his mid-50s. In addition, 48 people were injured, all civilians, he said.

—Suha Ma'ayeh in Amman contributed to this article.

Source: http://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-strikes-on-remote-syria-garrison-alarm-u-s-1469137231

Kiitos kaikesta Rähmis.

hattiwatti

#5287
Quote from: xor_rox on 20.07.2016, 02:28:44
Suomelle asetettu vaatimus aseavun antamisesta on todellisuudessa poliittinen ansa, johon J. Niinistö vähääkään ajattelematta astuu. Taloudellisesti sillä ei ole USA:ole tai sen johtamalle koalitiolle mitään merkitystä, mutta poliittisesti se sitoo Suomen osaksi koalition sotilaallisesti aktiivista ryhmää.

No nyt Suomesta on jo tulossa sodan aktiivinen osapuoli. Tarkoittaa vastaiskujen mahdollisuutta juurikin täällä, sillä kuten Al-Qaidan Espanjan pommi-iskuissa, tapana on että heikoimpaan lenkkiin liittoumassa isketään kun näin voi saada tuloksiakin.

http://mvlehti.net/2016/07/23/ministeri-niinisto-lahettaa-100-suomalaissotilasta-isis-rintamalle-irakiin/

^ ei ihme, että eduskuntasalin puheissakin PS-edustajat varoittavat kansakunnan yhtenäisyyttä horjuttavien valemedioiden vaarasta. Paljastavat nimittäin jotain, minkä tahtoisivat vaieta kuoliaaksi.

Eri asia, josta ainakin nimimerkki Asra tietäisi jotain, on Irakin kurdien eli Barzanin mafian eksoottiset kuviot suurvaltapolitiikassa, jotka ihan jotain muuta kuin muilla kurdeilla naapurimaissa.

Varsinkin kun Irakissa ollaan sitä mieltä, että ulkopuolisia voimia ei tarvita tuonne alueelle sotkemaan asioita https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraq-mp-no-need-us-forces-mosul-liberation-offensive/

hattiwatti

https://southfront.org/kosovos-isis-camps-creche-for-young-terrorists/
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There are at least five ISIS military training camps in Kosovo, located in remote areas near the self-proclaimed republic's border with Albania and Macedonia, Sputnik reported Friday, citing a source close to the intelligence services.

According to the source, the largest camps are situated in areas adjacent to the towns on the Urosevac and Djakovica line as well as the Decani district, while the smaller camps are located in the Prizren and Pec regions.

The source said that about 314 Kosovo Albanians, including 38 women, are members of the ISIS terrorist group, and are fighting with government troops in Syria and Iraq now.

The recruitment of future terrorists takes in two stages; non-governmental organizations that operate in Kosovo and at numerous private schools conduct the first one, the source told Sputnik.

"The future Daesh terrorists are 'brainwashed' there and they also learn Arabic and study the Koran, something that is followed by so-called 'combat practice' training, headed by former members of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). They typically teach the rookies to wage guerrilla warfare and handle guns, among other things," the source said.

"In addition, each camp has several Daesh terrorists who decide on sending the rookies to the war or preparing them for the role of suicide bombers," he added pointing to 70 Kosovo Albanian families who decided to join ISIS.

According to the source, there is a real opportunity of the spread of such camps to Macedonia and Bosnia, where about 800 jihadists arrived during the wars in the 1990s. Macedonia is just starting to grapple with the problem, the source noted, reminding about KLA centers in Macedonian villages, which have already been turned into ISIS training camps.

Earlier this week, the director of the Center for Balkan Studies in Pristina, Fadil Lepaja, said that Kosovo's borders with Albania and Macedonia exist only on paper that makes tracking of Islamists' training camps almost impossible.

According to Fadil Lepaja, struggle with ISIS supporters is a global problem. However, he also noted that it is hard to foresee everything, even though NATO's mission in Kosovo (KFOR) and all relevant services closely monitor those who have returned from the war in Syria.

Tiettävästi jihadistit heiluivat Kosovossa jo maan irtautumissodan aikoina. Kukas avustikaan niitä ilmapommituksin? Ja kenellä olikaan massiivinen sotilastukikohta keskellä maata.

Fatbardje Hetemaj varmaan olisi sopiva taho kommentoimaan.

Toni R Jyväskylästä

Näissä kuvissa yritetään hahmottaa tuota Syyrian sotkua, tiedä sitten kuinka totuudenmukaisia ovat.

törö

Quote from: xor_rox on 22.07.2016, 18:42:03
Venäjä olisi tällä painostanut ko. maita, mikä toisaalta kertoisi aivan käsittämättömän kovasta pelistä Venäjän puolelta.

Sehän sopii venäläisien puuhiin loistavasti. Sopivasti ennen Olumppialaisia kehittyi hirveä doping-skandaali, jota ei edes yritetty peitellä, vaikka monessa muussa maassa tilanne on aika samanlainen ja siitä selvitään teeskentelemällä, että kaikki on putipuhtoista.

Olumppialaisien väliin jättäminen voi olla fiksu siirto, koska ainoastaan jalkapallolla on sen verran turvallisuuspoliittista merkitystä, että terroristi jättää kisat mielellään rauhaan, mutta jos kyse olisi vain siitä, niin varmasti olisi löytynyt varmempikin perääntymistie.

Ne vain pilaavat järjestelmällisesti suhteitaan Euroopan suuntaan ja yrittävät pitää suhteet jenkkeihin kunnossa käymällä kauppaa talouspakotteista huolimatta, mikä näkyy passaavan jenkeille mainiosti.

Kohta ollaan varmaan siinä tilanteessa, että Kremlissä joku puhuu ydinsodasta ainakin kerran viikossa, koska niillä on välillä sellaisia kausia, että pitää saada olla omassa rauhassa, ja ulkopolitiikka on silloin pelkkää ärinää ja murinaa.

xor_rox

^ En kyllä ymmärtänyt, mitä hait takaa tuolla olympia-skandaaliin liittyvällä, mutta ei se mitään. Joka tapauksessa IOC on ilmeisesti juuri päättänyt, ettei Venäjää suljeta maana ulos kisoista. En ihmettelisi, jos päätökseen olisi vaikuttanut viimeaikaiset tapahtumat Syyriassa ja näistä seuranneet tapaamiset Moskovassa.

Nationalisti

Quote from: Toni R Jyväskylästä on 23.07.2016, 19:46:27
Näissä kuvissa yritetään hahmottaa tuota Syyrian sotkua, tiedä sitten kuinka totuudenmukaisia ovat.

FSA tukisi kurdeja? Ja paskat.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

törö

Quote from: xor_rox on 24.07.2016, 19:02:23
^ En kyllä ymmärtänyt, mitä hait takaa tuolla olympia-skandaaliin liittyvällä, mutta ei se mitään. Joka tapauksessa IOC on ilmeisesti juuri päättänyt, ettei Venäjää suljeta maana ulos kisoista. En ihmettelisi, jos päätökseen olisi vaikuttanut viimeaikaiset tapahtumat Syyriassa ja näistä seuranneet tapaamiset Moskovassa.

Mä en ollut tuosta tietoinen kun edellistä kirjoitin.

hattiwatti

http://atimes.com/2016/07/russian-diplomacy-aims-to-accelerate-syrian-endgame/

QuoteRussian diplomacy aims to accelerate Syrian endgame

By M.K. Bhadrakumar on July 23, 2016 in AT Top Writers

The failed coup in Turkey has come as a god-sent opportunity for Russia to connect the dots. Russian diplomacy will be in top gear in Laos on Monday when Minister of Foreign Affairs  Sergey Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry sit down to assemble the joint mechanism to fight terrorism in Syria under the 'Moscow Agreements', and to transfer synergy thereof to a trilateral meeting of US, Russian and UN officials in Geneva later in the week to kick-start peace talks.

If ten days shook the world in 1917, as John Reid put it dramatically while narrating the events of the Bolshevik Revolution, a 10-day historic pause similarly promises to shake up the geopolitics of the Middle East.

After a ten-day pause, the United States and Russia are set to pick up the threads of the important landmark agreement reached in Moscow during Secretary of State John Kerry's meeting with President Vladimir Putin on July 14-15 regarding joint efforts to fight the terrorist groups in Syria and to facilitate the resumption of peace talks in Geneva.

Kerry is slated to meet his Russian Counterpart Sergey Lavrov on the sidelines of the high-level ASEAN events in Laos on July 25-26. The meeting comes ten days after the failed coup attempt in Turkey, which profoundly changes the kaleidoscope of the Syrian conflict.


The wariness in Moscow after Kerry's talks – given the formidable resistance inside the Beltway to the very idea of US-Russia coordination on Syria – has palpably melted away. A cautious optimism has taken over. The failed Turkish coup accounts for it.

New fault lines appear, which work to Moscow's advantage. The hairline fracture in Turkey's relations with the West through recent years has aggravated. Ankara's standing in the western alliance has become hazy.

A rupture is improbable and perhaps unlikely – but not impossible, either. Surely, the testiness over each side's intentions is introducing uncertainty. Suffice it to say, Turkey under President Recep Erdogan will not be party to the anti-Russian cold war front that Washington is assembling under NATO banner.

The cold-shouldering of Erdogan by NATO counterparts at the recent summit meeting of the alliance in Warsaw (July 8-9) underscored that the contradictions are fundamental.

To be sure, there's going to be consequences. If the NATO cannot now hope to encircle Russia in the Black Sea or threaten Crimea, a rollback of Turkey's military intervention in Syria will sound the death knell for the 'regime change' agenda in that country pursued by the US and regional allies.

The neocons in the US and the lobbyists of America's Middle East allies in the Washington think tanks and the media and the cold warriors in the defense establishment are whistling in the dark.

Bizarre as it may sound, 'regime change' agenda in Syria is now predicated on overthrow of Erdogan first. For Turkey, Russia's goodwill is vital for preventing the emergence of a Kurdish enclave along its border, which is a core issue.

The 48-hour deadline given by the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) alliance to the Islamic State (IS) to leave their stronghold of Manjib is expiring today (July 23). The horrific air strikes by American and French aircraft, killing over 140 civilians, hint at an imminent no-holds barred offensive.

Now, doesn't Turkey know that SDF is a metaphor for the US' Syrian Kurdish allies? Doesn't Turkey sense that Syrian Kurds are tiptoeing toward their 'Rojava' project – contiguous enclave in northern Syria? Will Turkey remain satisfied with Washington's assurance that Kurds will vacate Manjib after capturing it?

On the eve of the capture of Manjib by Kurds (with the support of US Special Forces and airpower), Erdogan told Iranian President Hassan Rouhani in a phone conversation,
•Today, we are determined more than ever before to contribute to the solution of regional problems hand in hand with Iran and Russia and in cooperation with them.

Thus, a strategic congruence between Turkey, Russia and Iran is struggling to surface. The protagonists may have specific interests in Syria, but the bottom line is that Turkey is under enormous pressure to abandon the disruptive role it played so far by supplying and equipping Syrian opposition groups.

Moscow is closely watching. The foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova refused to condemn the horrific air strikes in Manjib, merely saying on Thursday,
•Of course, these reports should be studied and the results of verification and investigation procedures should be made public. If these horrible facts are confirmed, proper conclusions will have to be drawn and all necessary measures taken to obviate the recurrence of anything of the kind in the future.

On the contrary, Syrian National Coalition, which is supported by Turkey, demands immediate halt to air strikes in Manjib (which, Pentagon, of course, promptly rejected.)

The point is, Russia also keeps line of communication open to the Kurds (who maintain representative office in Moscow) and can be expected to leverage its influence to extract constructive cooperation from Turkey.

Moscow is walking a fine line, signalling the terms of a constructive Russian-Turkish engagement. Foreign Minister Lavrov said on Friday that development of relations between Russia and Turkey will depend on their cooperation on Syria and on Ankara's readiness to "take steps against those who finance terrorists in Syria". To quote Lavrov,
•Much will depend on how we will cooperate on the settlement of the Syrian crisis... During discussions of the Syrian crisis, we provided many facts that prove that Turkish territory is used for providing supplies to terrorists and sending militants to Syria. These facts remain on the table. Now that we've restored our relations, it will be hard to ignore the facts that we provided, and we hope that our Turkish partners will now start answering these questions, will take measures to stop their territory being used for supporting the fratricidal war in Syria.

Lavrov hinted that this is also Iran's expectation. He stressed the urgency:
•All the more so because the situation in Syria has changed over the past few months, and conditions are being created for defeating terrorists and launching a genuine intra-Syrian dialogue.

All in all, Russian diplomacy is working on several inter-related templates simultaneously to create synergy – coordination with the US; axis with Iran (delivery of S-300 has seriously begun); kick-starting peace talks; reconciling opposition groups; getting Turkey to cooperate, and so on.

At the same time, there is no let-up in the military operations. The Iranian media reported that Russian jets are intensively bombing the region north of Aleppo city. The Kremlin spokesman said on Friday that if need arises, Russia may send more troops to Syria.

Moscow estimates that Obama administration will somehow ride out the domestic criticism of Russian-American coordinated strategy to fight extremist groups in Syria. Indeed, Washington has run out of options in Syria and Moscow cannot be oblivious of that.

The Obama administration cannot afford to overlook the intelligence reports that Nusra Front, al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria, is planning to attack targets in the West. Simply put, the Russian prognosis is coming true.

However, it is the failed coup in Turkey that becomes a god-sent opportunity for Russia to connect the dots and accelerate the endgame in Syria.

Russian diplomacy will be in top gear in Laos on Monday when Lavrov and Kerry sit down to assemble the joint mechanism to fight terrorism in Syria under the 'Moscow Agreements', and to transfer synergy thereof to a trilateral meeting of US, Russian and UN officials in Geneva later in the week to kick start peace talks even as August 1 deadline draws closer.

Putin hopes to receive Erdogan for a 'bilateral' soon thereafter.

Ambassador MK Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India's ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001). He writes the "Indian Punchline" blog and has written regularly for Asia Times since 2001.
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Faidros.

Hollande lupaa sotaa isisiä vastaan kaikin mahdollisin keinoin. Joojoo... ei lähde lentotukialukset Syyrian rannikolle, ei pauku risteilyohjukset isisin asemiin Irakissa... kunhan paskaa jauhaa sosialistiseen tapaansa. :facepalm:
www.suomenmaa.fi/?app=NeoDirect&com=6/39/138204/574c427ae7
Kun yksi ihminen kärsii harhasta, sitä sanotaan hulluudeksi. Kun monta ihmistä kärsii harhasta, sitä sanotaan uskonnoksi. -Robert M Pirsig-
Millainen luonne 2000-luvun mekaanikolla pitäisi olla,jotta hän sietäisi koneiden päälle kasattuja elektronisen hevonpaskan kerrostumia.
-Matthew B.Crawford-

MustaLeski

Toisin sanoen mikään ei juurikaan muutu, koska painotus on demokraattisin keinoin mikä näillä yleensä meinaa sitä, että käydään hieman pommittamassa ählyjen kotikonnuilla, mutta pyllistetään ja otetaan kakkoseen ählyiltä omalla maaperällä.

MustaLeski

QuoteISIS turns to encryption to elude western intel agencies

ISIS is increasingly turning to encryption-based technology as it continues to elude Western counterterrorism agencies desperate to breakdown the terror group's digital footprint.

Despite jihadi groups' widespread and persistent online presence on social media platforms, a complex 'toolbox' of encryption instruments are being used by ISIS and other terror organizations to obscure their online communications with one another in the Islamic State's Caliphate and in the West, according to a report by tech security analysts Flashpoint Intel.

The report notes a list of 36 different online tools, identified as "only a small sampling of the technologies required to overcome security challenges," that are being employed by jihadis to stay under the radar and operate secretly beneath the surface on social media platforms like Twitter and Facebook.

The list includes mobile security applications, virtual private networks (VPNs), programs used to generate fake phone numbers and temporary secure e-mail addresses that are then used to help generate hundreds of Twitter accounts, encrypted messenger applications like Telegram and WhatApp, and secure browsers like Tor, in particular.

Tor is an encrypted web browser that allows the user to browse the web anonymously using onion routing, which encrypts and relays communications through networks around the globe, and VPN's allow for encrypted connections on private networks across the internet and are commonly employed in countries with repressive regimes who crack down on uncensored internet.

Earlier this year, the Pentagon declared the start of an unprecedented cyber war against ISIS jihadis, aimed at "disrupting their command-and-control communications," President Obama said in April 2016.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/07/26/isis-turns-to-encryption-to-elude-western-intel-agencies.html?

Java

Quote from: MustaLeski on 26.07.2016, 20:03:27
Toisin sanoen mikään ei juurikaan muutu, koska painotus on demokraattisin keinoin mikä näillä yleensä meinaa sitä, että käydään hieman pommittamassa ählyjen kotikonnuilla, mutta pyllistetään ja otetaan kakkoseen ählyiltä omalla maaperällä.
Niimpä, ählyt paskat nakkaa länkkärien demokraattisista keinosta, iskut senkun kiihtyvät vaan!
Älä usko mitään mitä kirjoitan!

Nationalisti

Quote from: MustaLeski on 26.07.2016, 20:03:27
Toisin sanoen mikään ei juurikaan muutu, koska painotus on demokraattisin keinoin mikä näillä yleensä meinaa sitä, että käydään hieman pommittamassa ählyjen kotikonnuilla, mutta pyllistetään ja otetaan kakkoseen ählyiltä omalla maaperällä.

Poliittinen yhdistelmä, jossa pommitetaan niitä siellä ja samalla otetaan niitä tänne johtaa väistämättä terrori-iskuihin.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

MustaLeski

QuoteISIL Building Surface-to-Air Missiles Based through Israeli Technology

According to the Arabic-language Sputnik news website, the plan includes equipping the ISL missiles with cameras similar to the systems used in Rafael Python-5 missiles produced by Israel which can be fired both from surface and air.

The resistance forces also said that the ISIL group which has been entrusted with implementing the plan includes Iraqi and foreign members headed by Nineveh governor called al-Seidali who have equipped and armed the missiles in a region in Wadi al-Akab in Western Mosul and then fled to Raqqa in Syria.

They added that the ISIL group's activity is not limited to the equipment and enhancement of the missiles; "it also produces the chemical materials used in the bombs and mortars, including poisonous gases like chlorine and mustard gas, which were earlier discovered by the Iraqi and Kurdish forces near Mosul and al-Anbar province.

By implementing the plan, the ISIL seeks to equip the missiles with tracking, tracing and controlling systems which include special electronic circuits and a micro computer chip that receives and processes the information and gives digital orders to the control circuit in the engine impellers through 5-volt micro computer chip.

Based on the information gained by the resistance forces, the ISIL uses Sony cameras to equip its missiles.

The reports came after evidence indicated in July 2014 that Japan's electronics giant, Sony, had assisted Israel in its deadly offensive against the besieged Gaza Strip.

A piece of an Israeli rocket was discovered in Gaza showing that Sony Corporation has provided the Israel regime with cameras and high-tech control boards to equip its missiles.

A camera apparently manufactured by Sony was mounted on the rocket piece to help Israeli warplanes choose their targets in the Gaza Strip.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950506000756

Nationalisti

Quote from: Nationalisti on 24.07.2016, 20:20:27
Quote from: Toni R Jyväskylästä on 23.07.2016, 19:46:27
Näissä kuvissa yritetään hahmottaa tuota Syyrian sotkua, tiedä sitten kuinka totuudenmukaisia ovat.

FSA tukisi kurdeja? Ja paskat.

Nyt "FSA:n tukemat" kurdit sulkivat Aleppon saartorenkaan yhdessä hallituksen joukkojen kanssa.

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/758292103319392256
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

MustaLeski

QuoteUS seize haul of 10,000 documents and 4.5 terabytes of information from ISIS – clues on 'foreign fighters' entering Europe

US intelligence agents are studying files captured from ISIS in a bid to identify potential terrorists returning to the west.

The cache includes some 10,000 documents and 4.5 terabytes of information containing the identities and countries of origin of the terror group's fighters. Also contained in the intelligence files are details of the routes used to smuggle terrorists in and out of the warzone. The information was captured in Manbij in Northern Syria after the terror group was pushed back from the city.

Brett McGurk, President Obama's special envoy confirmed the details of foreign fighters was being shared among coalition allies. McGurk told the New York Times: 'We want to make sure that all that information is disseminated in a coherent way among our coalition partners so that we can track the networks from the core and all the way to wherever the dots might connect, whether that is in Europe or in North Africa or Southeast Asia.'

Intelligence agents hope the information will help them identify ISIS terrorist cells while also providing details of the group's finances and might even lead to military strikes against senior terror leaders.  It is estimated that almost 43,000 terrorists from 12 countries have at least attempted to go to Iraq and Syria.

McGurk added: 'The operation in Manbij is about shutting down the main corridor from Raqqa and then out, in which some of the attackers that launched the Paris attacks we know traveled through that route. By shutting that down, you make it harder for them to kind of plan the larger-scale, kind of more coordinated attacks.'

However, despite the successful operation against ISIS in the city, the coalition has been criticized over an airstrike which killed innocent civilians on July 19. Colonel Chris Garver said there was credible evidence to support the complaint.

DailyMail

QuoteRussia announces humanitarian operation in Aleppo

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu says Russia and the Syrian government will open humanitarian corridors and offer a way-out for Islamic State fighters wanting to lay down their arms.

Syrian government forces and allied troops have tightened the noose on the main rebel enclave in the city of Aleppo, urging fighters there to surrender. Humanitarian groups have warned of a major catastrophe if the siege on the rebel-held parts of Aleppo continued.

Shoigu said in televised comments Thursday that President Vladimir Putin has a "large-scale humanitarian operation" that will be launched outside Aleppo to "help civilians who were taken hostage by terrorists as well as fighters who wanted to lay down the arms." Shoigu mentioned three humanitarian corridors as well as food and first aid points outside the city.

FoxNews

Nationalisti

Quote from: MustaLeski on 28.07.2016, 11:47:18

QuoteRussia announces humanitarian operation in Aleppo

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu says Russia and the Syrian government will open humanitarian corridors and offer a way-out for Islamic State fighters wanting to lay down their arms.

FoxNews

Muuten hyvä mutta kaupungissa ei ole isis-taistelijoita. Onkohan kämmi Foxin vai Shoigun?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

MustaLeski

#5304
Quote from: Nationalisti on 28.07.2016, 15:10:59
Quote from: MustaLeski on 28.07.2016, 11:47:18

QuoteRussia announces humanitarian operation in Aleppo

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu says Russia and the Syrian government will open humanitarian corridors and offer a way-out for Islamic State fighters wanting to lay down their arms.

FoxNews

Muuten hyvä mutta kaupungissa ei ole isis-taistelijoita. Onkohan kämmi Foxin vai Shoigun?

Laajempi artikkeli aiheesta The New York Timesissa.

QuoteRussia and the Syrian government said they will open humanitarian corridors in Syria's embattled city of Aleppo on Thursday and offer a way out for opposition fighters wanting to lay down their arms, even as Syrian forces took another district from rebels in the city.

The Russian announcement by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu came as Syria's President Bashar Assad offered a general amnesty for rebels who give up their weapons and surrender to authorities over the next three months.

Rebels and residents of Aleppo said they were deeply skeptical of the offer, and there was no immediate sign of people massing to leave the besieged parts of the city.

For days now, Syrian government forces and allied troops have encircled the main rebel enclave in Aleppo, urging fighters there to surrender. The encirclement set the stage for a prolonged siege that the government hopes will eventually stare out and force the rebels to surrender, a tactic Assad's forces have used elsewhere, including in the central city of Homs.

But humanitarian groups have warned of a major catastrophe if the siege on the rebel-held parts of Aleppo continues. Some 300,000 residents are trapped in the eastern part of the city that is controlled by rebels, according to the United Nations.

Shoigu said in televised comments that President Vladimir Putin has ordered a "large-scale humanitarian operation" that will be launched outside Aleppo to help civilians as well as allow fighters who wanted to lay down the arms to surrender.

He said three corridors will be open for civilians and fighters who lay down their arms and a fourth corridor providing fighters a "safe exit with weapons."

"Given the fact that our American counterparts have not provided intelligence about the Nusra Front and Syrian Free Army squads (we) will create a fourth corridor for a safe exist with weapons in the north of Aleppo in the direction of the Castello highway," he said. The Nusra Front is al-Qaida's branch in Syria while the Syrian Free Army is the name of the main Western-backed rebels. Both have fighters in Aleppo.

törö

Quote from: Nationalisti on 28.07.2016, 15:10:59
Quote from: MustaLeski on 28.07.2016, 11:47:18

QuoteRussia announces humanitarian operation in Aleppo

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu says Russia and the Syrian government will open humanitarian corridors and offer a way-out for Islamic State fighters wanting to lay down their arms.

FoxNews

Muuten hyvä mutta kaupungissa ei ole isis-taistelijoita. Onkohan kämmi Foxin vai Shoigun?

En osaa sanoa, mutta tällaiset uutiset ovat tavallaan hauskoja, koska Aleppon ruokatilanne on pitkästä sodasta huolimatta parempi kuin Venezuelassa, missä nykyinen tilanne on se, että eläintarhojen eläimet ovat kuolemassa nälkään. Sisällissota ei ole vielä alkanut, mutta sitä tuskin tarvitsee enää kauan odotella, koska nälkä on näissä asioissa melkoinen kannustin.

Vasemmistopopulismi tekee pahempaa jälkeä kuin ISIS.

MustaLeski

QuoteThe jihadi-inspired wave of 'lone wolf' attacks

NEW YORK – A wave of attacks against civilians in Europe over the past month has rekindled fears of self-radicalized, "lone wolf" perpetrators inspired by and acting in the name of Islamic State, but without having direct contact with the group.

The attacks began on July 14 in Nice, France, when a Tunisian man drove a 19-ton refrigerated truck into a large crowd watching Bastille Day fireworks, killing 84 people and injuring hundreds. It took 36 hours for IS to claim responsibility for the atrocity, issuing a statement that called the attacker "a soldier of the Islamic State" who had responded to its leaders' call "to target states participating in the Crusader coalition that fights the caliphate." But despite the claim, French investigators have so far found no evidence that the driver had been in contact with any IS operatives.

Four days after the Nice attack, a 17-year-old asylum seeker from Afghanistan went on a rampage on a train near the German city of Wuerzburg, wounding five people with an ax. On July 24, a Syrian man who had been denied asylum in Germany blew himself up outside a wine bar in the city of Ansbach, wounding 15 people. Before the attack, the man had recorded a cellphone video in which he pledged allegiance to IS and declared that Germans "won't be able to sleep peacefully anymore."

And on Tuesday two assailants linked to IS attacked a church in northern France, killing an elderly priest by slitting his throat and seriously wounding a hostage. French police shot the perpetrators as they left the church.

IS claimed responsibility for all four attacks, and it now seems that the group will be quick to adopt nearly every attack on civilians in the West. These claims of responsibility tend to be somewhat generic — they don't show Islamic State's involvement in the planning or execution of attacks — but they do help the group in its propaganda efforts.

These "lone wolf" attacks are not an accident. They are the result of an organized, decade-old movement within Islamic jihadism to decentralize attacks and make them more diffuse. This trend predated the emergence of IS — it can be traced back to al-Qaida after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. While al-Qaida was a hierarchical organization, its leader Osama bin Laden and his deputy and eventual successor, Ayman al-Zawahiri, realized that maintaining training camps and central control was not going to work after the group was forced out of its base in Afghanistan under U.S. bombing. Before the 9/11 attacks, bin Laden had relied on recruits trained at Afghan camps, and many had personally pledged allegiance to him.

But even while in hiding, bin Laden and Zawahiri frequently addressed their supporters through dozens of videos, audiotapes and internet statements. They encouraged new recruits to act autonomously under al-Qaida's banner, and they helped inspire hundreds of young men to carry out suicide or conventional bombings in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, Spain, Britain and elsewhere.

After a large number of al-Qaida's leaders were killed, captured or forced to flee, one of bin Laden's former bodyguard in Afghanistan described the group's revamped operations to an Arabic newspaper. "Every element of al-Qaida is self-activated," he said. "Whoever finds a chance to attack simply goes ahead. The decision is theirs alone."

Today, IS has expanded and perfected this concept of the "leaderless jihad." And it is now wreaking havoc and spreading fear, both in the West and in the Middle East.

The latest wave of attacks in France and Germany fits into a series of appeals by IS leaders for their supporters to carry out lone wolf assaults that use any means necessary to kill civilians, especially in the West. As the group continues to face a U.S.-led bombing campaign against its strongholds in Syria and Iraq, it is losing the territory and fighters that make up the backbone of its self-declared caliphate. As a result, IS is turning toward both centrally organized plots and individual attacks carried out by sympathizers to reassert its claim as the world's leading jihadist movement.

One of the major inspirations for this strategy is Abu Musab al-Suri, a veteran jihadist ideologue and an al-Qaida leader who worked with bin Laden and Zawahiri in the 1990s. After he became disillusioned with al-Qaida's leaders and direction following the September 9/11 attacks, Suri published a 1,600-page manifesto titled "A Call to a Global Islamic Resistance" on the internet in 2005. In the document, which is still widely shared in jihadi circles, Suri calls for a wave of "individual jihad" in which independent operatives — sometimes self-radicalized and other times assisted by recruiters on the web — would target Western civilians in an effort to sow chaos and terror. Suri described his jihadi philosophy as "no organizations, just principles."

With a $5 million U.S. bounty on his head, Suri was captured by Pakistan's security services in late 2005. He was reportedly turned over to the CIA, and was then renditioned to his native Syria, where he was wanted by Bashar Assad's regime. After the Syrian war began in 2011, there were reports that Suri was among hundreds of al-Qaida and other militant operatives freed by the Assad regime. Many of those militants went on to become leaders of IS and the Nusra Front, al-Qaida's affiliate in Syria. But other reports, including statements by al-Qaida leaders, say that Suri is still being held by Assad's regime.

Regardless of his status, Suri's conception of the individual, or leaderless, jihad continues to resonate. In relying on lone wolf attacks by individuals who are self-radicalized and have only a tangential understanding of jihadist ideology — and, in some cases, are mentally disturbed — Islamic State is able to project a greater reach than it actually has.

In September 2014, Abu Muhammed al-Adnani, an IS spokesman, issued an appeal that reflected Suri's tactics. Adnani urged the group's sympathizers to use whatever means at their disposal to attack American and French citizens, and virtually any other Western civilians. "If you are not able to find an IED or a bullet, single out the disbelieving American, Frenchman or any of their allies," he said. "Smash his head with a rock, or slaughter him with a knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place, or choke him, or poison him."

With the spate of attacks over the past month, a few individuals are heeding Islamic State's call — and causing a far greater fear to sweep Europe.

TheJapanTimes

MustaLeski

 Farida Khalafin kirja on julkaistu eilen: The Girl Who Beat ISIS. Luulisi, että teos kiinnostaa erityisesti naisia, mikä on naisen asema Daeshin maailmassa. Naistenlehti Glamour on julkaissut kohtuullisen pitkän pätkän kirjasta kiinnostuneille.

Quote... The first month

The bus drove to Mosul, a city in northern Iraq, where they took us to a large multi-storey building. Hundreds of other girls were already being kept prisoner here in overcrowded rooms. There were carpets on the floor, but it was almost impossible to lie down because there were so many of us. Some were not even 12 years old and were begging to be sent back to their parents. But the terrorists were unmoved; the men just laughed. They told us we were "infidels" and therefore had no rights.

The day after we arrived, we were transported to Raqqa, the ISIS 'capital' and main trading centre for women and girls. The terrorists also called it the 'slave market'. It was a foul-smelling old warehouse, close to the riverside. Men would come several times a day to buy women to cook, clean and serve them, but the main purpose was sex.

I can remember in perfect detail the first time I experienced this procedure. We had to line up in a row, stand straight, chins out, our palms facing upwards. They even ordered us to open our mouths and show our teeth. I felt like livestock when the men strutted about, ogling us. That's why I covered my face with my long hair. Other girls followed my example. "What are you doing that for? You're not Muslims," they barked at us. "Why are you hiding yourselves?" "Because your gaze defiles me," I replied, before we were beaten for our defiance.

I despised the buyers. Only once did I witness a man display something approaching shame: when he was alone with us he said, "If it were up to me, I'd let the lot of you go." My friend Evin, who was also from Kocho, fell to her knees before him and begged him to take us. "Save us!" she pleaded. But the man just shook his head, sadly...

Toinen kirjanäyte teoksesta Time, Temporality and Global Politics

QuoteIslam and the Politics of Temporality: The Case of ISIS

... I should emphasise that my purpose here is not to posit a binary opposition between Western and Islamic temporalities. Ideas and technological developments that originated in the West have had a profound effect on how Muslims today understand their own pasts. And we can also show that Muslim and other temporalities matter for understanding the West. But crosscutting impact of this nature cannot be seen as preordained according to the way Euro-American societies may have developed. To assess Muslim temporalities requires analysis of data emanating directly from the subjects in question. Recent discussions in the philosophy of history have shown that Western societies have been (and are) host to many different understandings of temporality (Jordheim 2014). The same needs to be presumed for Islamic contexts: analysis should proceed from the fact that Muslim understandings of the experience of time are multiple and changeable. When it comes to temporality, neither the 'West' nor 'Islam' are hermetically sealed entities. Both words reference internally variegated fields, encompassing description as well as rhetoric, in which temporalities are critical elements within the evolution of ideas and practices. To concentrate on Islamic temporalities is, therefore, the opposite of the effort to specify the exclusive essence of Islam as sought in orientalist scholarship or Islamic theological discourses...

MustaLeski

QuoteTerroristijohtaja ensi kertaa julkisuuteen - otti eron al-Qaidasta

Terroristijärjestö al-Nusran johtaja esiintyi ensimmäistä kertaa videolla ja ilmoitti samalla ryhmänsä eroavan al-Qaidasta.

Johtaja Abu Mohammad al-Julani sanoi, että al-Nusran rintama (Jabhat al-Nusra) vaihtaa samalla nimensä. Tästä eteenpäin se tunnetaan nimellä Jabhat Fath as-Sham eli Syyrian valloituksen rintama.

Tv-kanava Al-Jazeera sai terroristijohtajan videojulistuksen käsiinsä yksinoikeudella. Paperista lukenut, maastopukuun sonnustautunut mies kiitti aluksi al-Qaida-johtaja Aiman al-Zawahiria ja viittasi myös tämän edeltäjään Osama bin Ladeniin.

Ideologisella tasolla eroa ei otettu.

Al-Julani sanoi, ettei uudelle ryhmälle tule mitään siteitä mihinkään ulkomaiseen järjestöön ja sen tavoite on yhdistää taistelevat ryhmät, vapauttaa Syyrian kansa, syrjäyttää Bashar al-Assad ja asettaa voimaan sharia-laki. Hän viittasi myös "kansainvälisen yhteisön petokseen" ja massojen pommittamiseen sillä varjolla, että pommitusten kohde olisi al-Qaidan liittolainen al-Nusra. Pääsyyllisiksi hän nimesi Yhdysvallat ja Venäjän.

Molemmat maat ovat iskeneet al-Nusran asemiin ja surmanneet sen johtoa. Asiantuntija-arvioiden mukaan eron tarkoitus on vähentää ryhmään kohdistuvaa painetta.

Al-Nusran taistelijoita on runsaasti kapinallisten hallussa olevassa Aleppossa sekä sen lähialueilla. Järjestö on jätetty Isisin tavoin ulos tulitauon piiristä. Se taistelee kapinallisten puolella Isisiä ja al-Assadia vastaan.

Valkoisen talon tiedottaja Josh Earnest sanoi tiedotustilaisuudessa myöhemmin torstaina, ettei arvio ryhmittymästä ole muuttumassa mihinkään ilmoituksen myötä. Al-Nusra ei ole iskenyt länsimaissa, mutta Earnestin mukaan huoli siitä on kasvussa.

- Heitä pidetään yhä ulkomaalaisena terroristiorganisaationa. Me arvioimme ryhmittymiä sen perusteella, mitä ne tekevät, emmekä sen, miksi he itseään kutsuvat, ulkoministeriön tiedottaja John Kirby puolestaan sanoi.

Al-Nusra ilmaantui Syyrian kartalle tammikuussa 2012 eli kymmenen kuukautta sen jälkeen kun väkivaltaisuudet alkoivat. Seuraavana vuonna se vannoi liittolaisuutta al-Qaidalle. Järjestöllä on arviolta 7 000 - 8 000 taistelijaa.

http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/2016072921973861_ul.shtml

xor_rox

QuoteERDOGAN: U.S. COMMANDER SIDED WITH THE COUP PLOTTERS: CNN-TURK

https://mobile.twitter.com/zerohedge/status/758989865325256704?p=v

Käsittämätön tilanne. Jos Erdogan on noin katkera USA:lle, niin (kohta) entisenä NATO-maana Turkki aiheuttaa järjettömän tiedusteluriskin suuntautuessaan itään ja kumppanoituessaan Venäjän ja jopa Iranin kanssa. Se voi halutessaan paljastaa kaiken oleellisen mm. Syyrian kriisistä ja näin pitää kourallaan Obaman palleista kiinni. Palliton Clinton on tietysti oma lukunsa tässä kuviossa.