Cliven Bundyn karjatilakonflikti Nevadassa

[Lasse]

Nappasin kommenttini Ukrainaketjusta:

Obongon kulttuurimarxistinen rosvoregiimi on asevoimin viemässä omaisuutta nevadalaiselta elinkeinonharjoittajalta, hänen yrittäessä jatkaa esi-isiltään saamaa perinnettä:

BREAKING: Feds prep for Waco style raid of Bundy Ranch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWhFm80Phqk

In the state of Nevada, Cliven Bundy and his family are currently caught in a fight over land with the Federal government. This is over his long standing refusal to acknowledge a 1993 modification to grazing rights on the land.

Bundy claims the land has been in his family since the 1800s. On Saturday, hundreds of federal officials, helicopters, low flying aircraft and hired cowboys, began rounding up Bundy's cattle in northeastern Clark County.

Bundy stated to the media, "I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights... who is the trespasser here? Who is the trespasser on this land? Is the United States trespassing on Clark County, Nevada, land? Or is it Cliven Bundy who is trespassing on Clark County, Nevada, land? Who's the trespasser?"

More than 100 supporters violated a crudely taped off "First Amendment Area" to rally in support of the Bundy family. They erected two flagpoles with the words "We the People" above a flag which read, "Liberty Freedom For God We Stand". The first amendment area stood empty, with one sign nearby declaring, "1st Amendment is not an area."

The feds say the move is about enforcing the law and protecting the endangered desert tortoise, but the Bundy family says the spat represents a showdown between big government and American farmers.

The Feds claim that the removal of the cattle from the land will cost taxpayers roughly $ 3 million.

Pete Santilli is a former US marine, and radio host who hopes for revolutionary change to come to America... He is coming to us Live from the Bundy ranch in Nevada.

Armed Feds and Nevada Cattle Rancher Facing Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzIiMoVckcU

Moapa Valley Town Board Meeting regarding Cliven Bundy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0_SXrs4SkQ

Stefan Molyneuxilta hieno tiivistys, mistä asiassa on kysymys:

The Truth About the Nevada Rancher's Standoff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQb0qJLhea8

Julkaistu 10.4.2014
Nevada Rancher Cliven Bundy is locked in a standoff with the federal Bureau of Land Management over illegal cattle grazing, endangered tortoises and property rights. It gets even better...

The fight involves a 600,000-acre area under BLM control called Gold Butte, near the Utah border. The is the habitat of the protected desert tortoise, and the land has been off-limits for cattle since 1998.

Five years before that, when grazing was legal, Bundy stopped paying federal fees for the right. Bundy stopped paying grazing fees in 1993. He said he didn't have to because his Mormon ancestors worked the land since the 1880s, giving him rights to the land.

"We own this land," he said, not the feds. He said he is willing to pay grazing fees but only to Clark County, not BLM.

"Years ago, I used to have 52 neighboring ranchers," he said. "I'm the last man standing. How come? Because BLM regulated these people off the land and out of business."

Nevada, where various federal agencies manage or control more than 80 percent of the land, is among several Western states where ranchers have challenged federal land ownership.

[Lasse]

Näköjään karjan ja kilppareiden yhteiseloa on tutkittu. Tulokset saattavat BLM:n laidunnusrajoitukset outoon valoon:

https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/rangelands/article/viewFile/10776/10049

Russel Means diagnosoi myrkytyksen oireet:

Russell Means: Americans Are The New Indian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3IUnFq3U0Y

American Indian Russell Means gives an eye-opening 90 minute interview in which he explains how Native Americans and Americans in general are all imprisoned within one huge reservation. "The history of the American and the history of the Indian have now come full circle and are intertwined in the dictatorial policies of those that control the monetary system of America," remarks Means.

[Tykkimies Pönni]

Koko juttu lyhyesti:

Kyseistä aluetta käytti laidunmaana alunperin 53 karjatilallista. Ilmeisesti joskus 80-luvun lopulla viranomaiset yrittivät ostaa heiltä heidän laiduntamisoikeudet pois. Kukaan ei myynyt. Siitä viisastuneena viranomaisklikki alkoi savustaa tilallisia pois alueelta muilla keinoilla antaen lopulta tilallisille laittoman häädön alueelta vuonna 1993. Perustuslaki ja Nevadan laki on ollut ranchereiden puolella kaiken aikaa.

Vielä eilen ei tiedetty miksi tilalliset haluttiin savustaa alueelta pois. Ainoa varma asia oli että virallinen syy eli Desert Tortoisen suojelu oli valhe. Tänään selvisi että senaattori Harry Reid ja hänen poikansa on suunnitellut alueelle solar-power-busineksia jo pitkän aikaa ja viime aikoina yhteistyössä kiinalaisen(lue lontoolaisten pankkiirien omistaman) energiayhtiön kanssa. Laiduntaminen on sotkenut heidän suunnitelmansa jo 80-luvun lopulta lähtien ja ihmekös tuo kun nyt on jo SWAT-tiimit snipereineen paikalla. Ei senaattorilla riitä pinna loputtomiin kun pitäis rahaa päästä tekemään. Taustalla voi tosin olla paljon muutakin. Alueella on tehty öljy- ja liuskekaasututkimuksia.

"[Reid] and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert," he wrote. "Reid has been one of the project's most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada."

http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/

Kyllä tässä taas muutamat silmät avautuu.

[PaulR]

Ainoa varma asia oli että virallinen syy eli Desert Tortoisen suojelu oli valhe.

Joskus tuntuu, että saattavat vahingossa lipsauttaa totuuden perusasetuksensa ollessa valehtelu. Patologinen valehtelu silloinkin, kun sitä ei tarvitsisi.

Federal Government Plans To Kill Hundreds Of Desert Tortoises To Save $1 Million A Year [August 26, 2013]

Outside Las Vegas is a facility that has served as the last line of defense for the beautiful desert tortoise — an animal forced near extinction by developers and sprawling suburbs. Tortoises are brought to the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center, which is largely supported by developer fees and federal support. Now, due to a lack of federal funding, the federal government plans to euthanize hundreds of the tortoises — animals added to the endangered species list in 1990. The cost? One million dollars a year. So our government continues to waste billions in Iraq and Afghanistan while exploring a new war in Syria, but we cannot support a $1 million budget that is so important to the preservation of this species. The Administration would prefer to deliver bags of money to Karzai, buy Russian aircraft that Afghans can't fly or maintain, or build huge buildings to be then torn down unused. Of course, we have invaded their habitat, but it appears that they are not entitled to the years of upon ended reconstruction funding because they do not threaten to tortoise extremism around the world.

The facility will close in the coming months. They will start to put down arrivals in the fall. Bureau of Land Management spokesperson Hillerie Patton noted that, with fewer homes and developments being constructed, the tortoises will have to die: "With the money going down and more and more tortoises coming in, it never would have added up." No it doesn't. Congress and the White House needs billions to burn in Iraq and Afghanistan so environmental, educational, and scientific programs must go.

These magnificent creatures have roamed the Southwest for 200 million years. Where millions once dwelled in areas of Utah, California, Arizona and Nevada, no more than 100,000 tortoises remain. They can live 100 years, but that will no longer be the case for hundreds arriving at this government site for shelter.

http://jonathanturley.org/2013/08/26/federal-government-plans-to-kill-hundreds-of-desert-tortoises-to-save-1-million-a-year/

[Lasse]

Suoraa kuvaa:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/pmbeers
(e: A flaming L.A. liberal girrl, but hey it's live...)

(http://oathkeepers.org/oath/wp-content/uploads/Cliven-Bundy-Pocket-Constitution-500x281.jpg)
Cliven Bundy with Pocket Constitution

Cliven Bundy speaking at the Moapa Valley Town Board meeting 04/09/14.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWljeiAhYI

e:

Vanha patu paikan päällä: http://thewileydrakeshow.com/livechatsocialstreamandarchivedepisodes/

[Lasse]

Tilanne päällä, Cliven Bundy aikoo tukkia Interstate 15 Highway:n.

Pari toimivaa streamiä:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thepetesantillishow

http://www.ustream.tv/AlexJonesLive

Myös lukuisia poliisiyksiköitä näytti olevan matkalla paikalle.

e:

Nevada Highway Patrol - Southern Command Live Audio Feed
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/14431/web

[Lasse]

Victory! Nevada's last rancher gets his 'stolen' cattle back after federal agents agree to back down in 'range war'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2603026/Senator-speaks-favor-Nevada-rancher-militias-join-battle-federal-agents-accused-acting-like-theyre-Tienanmen-Square-fight-disputed-ranch-land.html

To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public.
http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=877

[PaulR]

LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas/AP) — Militia groups are rallying behind a rancher whose cattle are being seized by the federal government.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports that two militia members from Montana and one from Utah have arrived at Cliven Bundy's ranch.

    "We need to be the barrier between the oppressed and the tyrants," Ryan Payne of the West Mountain Rangers told the Review-Journal. "Expect to see a   band of soldiers."

     Payne said that militias from New Hampshire, Texas and Florida are likely to join and stand with Bundy and stay at his ranch.

     "They all tell me they are in the process of mobilizing as we speak," Payne told the Review-Journal, adding that hundreds of militia members are expected.

     Lawmakers are adding their voices into the fray, criticizing the federal cattle roundup fought by Cliven Bundy who claims longstanding grazing rights on remote public rangeland about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas.

     Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada said he told new U.S. Bureau of Land Management chief Neil Kornze in Washington, D.C., that law-abiding Nevadans shouldn't be penalized by an "overreaching" agency.

     Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval pointed earlier to what he called "an atmosphere of intimidation," resulting from the roundup and said he believed constitutional rights were being trampled.

[...]

The kindling for social upheaval has been growing in America for quite some time. Disrespectful and ignorant statements from billionaire oligarchs like Sam Zell only make it worse. The question in my mind has always been what will the catalyst be to spark the brushfire? Will it be the Bundy Ranch? We'll have to wait and see.

Personally, I hope cooler heads prevail and there is no violence, because once you head down the road of violent confrontation between the people and the feds you are opening up a can of worms that will not easily be bottled up again. In such a situation, everybody loses. However, my long-term fear is that unless the government and its puppet masters on Wall Street and elsewhere in big business change course, social upheaval will prove inevitable, whether the Bundy Ranch sparks it, or some other incident down the road. These are troubled times and they are likely going to get worse before they get better.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-12/why-standoff-bundy-ranch-very-big-deal

(http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Bundy-ranch.jpg)

[Lasse]

The REAL Bundy Ranch Story: Feds Forced to Surrender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keL5zhbK25w

Julkaistu 14.4.2014
Here is the video you WILL NOT SEE on the mainstream media. FACEBOOK BLOCKED THE ORIGINAL UPLOAD SO PEOPLE CAN'T POST IT OR SHARE IT! USE THIS ONE!

The BLM did NOT simply "leave" and return the Bundy cattle. They were going to KEEP the cattle --- until a group of brave patriots and cowboys from 7 Western states stood up to sniper guns and FORCED the release themselves.

Rawhide!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KPplYp7K7M

[Tykkimies Pönni]

The REAL Bundy Ranch Story: Feds Forced to Surrender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keL5zhbK25w

Julkaistu 14.4.2014
Here is the video you WILL NOT SEE on the mainstream media. FACEBOOK BLOCKED THE ORIGINAL UPLOAD SO PEOPLE CAN'T POST IT OR SHARE IT! USE THIS ONE!

The BLM did NOT simply "leave" and return the Bundy cattle. They were going to KEEP the cattle --- until a group of brave patriots and cowboys from 7 Western states stood up to sniper guns and FORCED the release themselves.

Rawhide!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KPplYp7K7M

Oli hienoa katseltavaa kun ratsastaen liikkuneet karjapaimenet saivat painostettua hampaisiin asti aseistautuneet liittovaltio-poliisit perääntymään.

[Lasse]

Oli hienoa katseltavaa kun ratsastaen liikkuneet karjapaimenet saivat painostettua hampaisiin asti aseistautuneet liittovaltio-poliisit perääntymään.

Jeps, niin oli. Pelkään vain pahoin, että federaaleilla on tapana loukkaantua nöyryytyksistä, ja yrittävät vielä antaa asennekasvatusta ns. isän kädestä...

Noin muuten, kummallinen Kiina-kytkentä noihin maihin tuntuu olevan, korruptoituneen senaattori Harry Reidin aurinkopaneeleiden lisäksi. Kymmenillä miljardeilla Kiinasta tavaraa tuovan Walmartin Walton Family Foundation on asettanut ehdollisen 400.000 taalan avustuksen BLM:lle, jos saavat Bundyn karjan ulos:

http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/

Kyllä tässä taas muutamat silmät avautuu.

Linkistä:

[Ink Visitor]

Auction houses in Nevada and now Utah are refusing to accept Bundy cattle delivered by BLM.

Resistance.  Pure and simple.  These people should be commended.

I would suggest this situation can only be remedied with the return of the Bundy cattle to the Bundy ranch.  Perhaps one auction house may accept the cattle – then hire trucks to take them back home to the Bundy Ranch?  When you choose to stand against tyranny, you must engage on the issue at hand.  When you protest Barry-cades, you return them to sender, dropping them back at the front door of the White House.  When you protest 2A infringements in Connecticut, you do so while armed.  When you protest a "First Amendment Area" you relocate that bitch.  And when you protest the theft of cattle - you get the damned cattle.

To our Patriots on the ground – America is watching you.  History is watching you.  Your allies in the Liberty Community are watching you and helping every way we know how.  Stand tall.  Do your duty.  Do not die on this hill.  Remember your Patton, if it comes to that end.  Do not surrender, it is too late for that.  See it through, wherever that may lead.

Your actions will set the pace and direction of the hunt for Liberty for years to come – whether you stand fast or yield.  It is in your hands now.  You are writing our history.

http://beforeitsnews.com/tea-party/2014/04/resistance-can-be-seen-in-many-acts-bravo-to-nevada-utah-auction-houses-2524772.html

[Tykkimies Pönni]

Joo, FED:it kyllä tulee vielä. On tosiaan mielenkiintoinen tapaus eikä tuo kiinalaiskytkös todellakaan mielenkiintoa vähennä. Hiljattainhan on edistetty kiinalaisten investoimista jenkkien energiateollisuuteen missä on jenkkien kannalta erittäin vähän järkeä ja juuri siksi sitä edistetäänkin. Selkeästi on Bundyn karja jonkun tärkeän projektin tiellä.   

[Lasse]

Pari väsynyttä heppua kertoo tapahtuneesta:

ALERT Sheriff Gillespie Seeks Slaughter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilDfAqDNUe4

Julkaistu 13.4.2014
I am putting this up WAY out of chronological order because of its importance. LVPD Sheriff Gillespie said that the BLM would pull out and release the cattle back to Mr. Bundy within an hour of his (Gillespie's) speech to the crowd. It did not happen as he promised. Worse, an MRAD and a LVPD SWAT team were only one exit away. Why? After the discovery of the MRAD and the SWAT Team, Gillespie claimed they were to keep the peace. But, if the cattle were released according to the promise of Gillespie, no need to "keep the peace" would have existed. Therefore, Brand and I conclude that a more sinister and deadly trap was being set to end the lives of many people, especially BLM officers, and to use the massacre as an excuse to implement far more stringent and tyrannical controls over the American People. Gillespie sits on the board of the despicable Southern Poverty Law Center and the DHS. This was a highly sophisticated manipulation to kill as many as possible and blame it on the liberty/conservative movement.

SPLC laittoi Cliven Bundyn Domestic Extremist -listalleen. Sheriffi Gillespie on rottalistalla.

[Kaappihommailija]

Oli hienoa katseltavaa kun ratsastaen liikkuneet karjapaimenet saivat painostettua hampaisiin asti aseistautuneet liittovaltio-poliisit perääntymään.

Laittoihan tuo taas miettimään.

EU tyrannia kasvaa. Asetta et saa hankkia itsepuolustukseksi. Täällä ei näy cowboy:ta. Täällä näkyy lampaita.

[törö]

EU tyrannia kasvaa. Asetta et saa hankkia itsepuolustukseksi. Täällä ei näy cowboy:ta. Täällä näkyy lampaita.

Täytyy sitten tyytyä venäläisien trokareiden tarjontaan kun valtio alkaa hyppiä tosissaan silmille. Luulisi, ettei siinä tilanteessa ole paljonkaan merkitystä onko aseisiin luvat vai ei.

[Tykkimies Pönni]

Oli hienoa katseltavaa kun ratsastaen liikkuneet karjapaimenet saivat painostettua hampaisiin asti aseistautuneet liittovaltio-poliisit perääntymään.

Laittoihan tuo taas miettimään.

EU tyrannia kasvaa. Asetta et saa hankkia itsepuolustukseksi. Täällä ei näy cowboy:ta. Täällä näkyy lampaita.

Joo, aika harvoin Suomessa törmää sellaisiin Harry Callahan-tyyppisiin kavereihin jotka pelkällä katu-uskottavuudellaan hoitaa vaativatkin tilanteet. Sen sijaan soijapohjaisten ruokien suurien naishormonipitoisuuksien vaikutus kyllä näkyy tämän päivän miespuolisessa väestössä.

[Ink Visitor]

"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."

― George Orwell

[Lasse]

Bundy NV Update From Doug Hagmann
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/04/bundy-nv-update-from-doug-hagmann-1031-et-2937674.html

Special Note: As I stated in my report yesterday, additional information would be forthcoming today (Sunday). To those who object to the lateness of the hour for this report, it should be understood that I rely on my sources at their "convenience" (although convenience does not exist in the realm of exposing the agenda of the feds). Also, this is still a dynamic situation, meaning that federal assets and plans are still in play.

Narrative: As indicated in my report dated yesterday, 12 April 2014, I have been in contact with my primary source within the DHS as well as a secondary source outside of the DC area on multiple occasions throughout today. It is important for people to understand that the "breakdown" of the federal exercise is nearly as methodical and time consuming as the run-up to their arrival. The situation is still fluid, and there are federal assets still being debriefed.

Based on the information obtained from both sources who are known to this investigator but who are requesting anonymity for obvious reasons, however, the federal initiative to claim the land at the center of controversy in Nevada remains intact. Perhaps the most important information derived from both contacts is that the situation is not over. In the words of the DHS source, "they [the BLM and other support agencies] will be back."

According to both sources, plans are being made to physically return on or about the date of the "American Spring," which is scheduled for 16 May 2014. The purpose for choosing that date or approximate time period should be obvious. The most vocal and visible leaders of the patriot movement will be busy organizing and attending the DC event. It is during this period that the BLM and support agencies, by way of their physical presence combined with court actions, is intended.

Additionally, I was advised by a separate intelligence source that it is important for us in the patriot movement to understand that the situation is much more important to the federal government than just the visible components , or the stand-off, at the Bundy ranch alone. Consider the following:

· The current leadership wants to create [2014] as "the summer of rage." They are astutely aware of the difference in public perception between the rural population and the urban areas, and intend to shape public perception against the patriot movement. They are already spinning the situation at the Bundy ranch into a "display of reasonableness" exhibited by the BLM, DHS and all federal agencies.

· The current leadership is attempting to ramp up the rhetoric in the mainstream media about the dangers of the patriotic movement and the threat they posed to life, limb and liberty. Of course, this is untrue. The intent is to cast an even wider net of anti-gun ownership initiatives over those displaying such "radical" tendencies as shown at the Bundy ranch.

· It is important to note that the intelligence source contacted by this investigator stressed that the leadership has every intention to stretch out future stand-offs and events, as such ultimately work to (or will be spun) to their benefit. It is their intent to "game the resolve and practicality of the people.

· Additionally, it must be noted that Cliven Bundy is literally "the last man standing" in the way of this federal land grab. Over four dozen ranchers have fallen victim to the federal land grabs. Clear title to the state-owned land cannot be claimed unless and until all claims to that land, (the Bundy presence) can be removed. As many already know, the intent is for the federal government to hold clear title as collateral and ultimately conveyance to global interests. While many are aware of its value to Harry Reid and others, this is also about the resources under the ground.

Hyvä biisi, kivoi kuvei:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ye4QeD_BAc

[Möhömaha]

En jatka tätä aihetta enempää, mutta Wikipedian mukaan:

-Bundy vei karjansa laiduntamaan omalta maaltaan Liittovaltion (Federal) maille.
-Bundy kieltäytyi maksamasta mitään korvauksia.
-Nevadan osavaltion oikeus kielsi Bundyä tekemästä sitä. Bundy rikkoi ko. oikeuden määräyksiä useampaan otteeseen.
- Lipunheiluttajat ja aseistetut hörhöt ilmaantuivat paikalle Bundyn tueksi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

[Tykkimies Pönni]

En jatka tätä aihetta enempää, mutta Wikipedian mukaan:

-Bundy vei karjansa laiduntamaan omalta maaltaan Liittovaltion (Federal) maille.
-Bundy kieltäytyi maksamasta mitään korvauksia.
-Nevadan osavaltion oikeus kielsi Bundyä tekemästä sitä. Bundy rikkoi ko. oikeuden määräyksiä useampaan otteeseen.
- Lipunheiluttajat ja aseistetut hörhöt ilmaantuivat paikalle Bundyn tueksi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

-Bundyn suku on laiduntanut karjaansa niillä "liittovaltion mailla" toistasataa vuotta.
-He ovat olleet laiduntamiseen oikeutettuja koska he ovat aina omistaneet laiduntamisoikeudet kyseisille maille.
-Reilu kaksikymmentä vuotta sitten liittovaltio yritti ostaa kaikilta alueen rancheiltä laiduntamisoikeudet pois. Kukaan ei myynyt.
-Edellisen jälkeen tilallisia alettiin savustaa alueelta ulos erilaisilla viranomaiskeinoilla.
-Jossain vaiheessa Bundy huomasi että perustuslain ja Nevadan lakien mukaan liittovaltiolla ei ole maihin mitään oikeuksia.

[Lasse]

En jatka tätä aihetta enempää

Kilpparinsuojelu oli mala fide kieroilukonsti.

"If the tortoise eat the bullshit, You must acquit!"

Hieman toiseen, mutta liittyvään asiaan:
Rosa Koire Speech about Agenda 21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-qLUQlmBk4

[Tabula Rasa]

EU tyrannia kasvaa. Asetta et saa hankkia itsepuolustukseksi. Täällä ei näy cowboy:ta. Täällä näkyy lampaita.

Täytyy sitten tyytyä venäläisien trokareiden tarjontaan kun valtio alkaa hyppiä tosissaan silmille. Luulisi, ettei siinä tilanteessa ole paljonkaan merkitystä onko aseisiin luvat vai ei.

Riippuu ihan minkä tason ase riittää. Kertalaukaistava tussari on kenen hyvänsä rakennettavissa. Konetuliase on helpompi rakentaa kuin pulttilukko, puoliautomaatti tai oikeastaan mikään muu asetyyppi kun jättää kertalaukaistavan(kaksipiippuiset tähän lukien) pois. Haulikkotyyppinen, konepistooli, revolveri helppousjärjestyksessä. Patruunoiden lautaus itsetehtyjä nalleja myöten vaatii enemmän taitoa mutta on mahdollista. Halvimmillaan tussari alta 100e työvälineillä/kaluilla. Tarkempi ase vaatii tarkemmat työstyövälineet. Lisäksi 3d-tulotettavia on jo tehty. Liberator googleen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberator_%28gun%29 

[Lasse]

The Regime Doesn't Handle Defeat Gracefully
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-regime-doesnt-handle-defeat-gracefully/

When the ATF attacked the Branch Davidians outside Waco in February 1993, the expectation was a quick and painless victory over an eccentric religious sect and a public relations boost for the scandal-plagued agency. This is why the assault was code-named "Showtime."

The Davidians, however, refused to follow the script. When the ATF stormtroopers arrived at the sect's sanctuary at Mt. Carmel, David Koresh – who had known of the impending assault, and released an ATF informant rather than holding him as a hostage — attempted to de-escalate the confrontation, only to be answered by a murderous volley of gunfire. Rather than allowing themselves to be shackled or slaughtered, the Davidians stood their ground, killing four of the assailants in a morally unassailable exercise of self-defense and forcing the ATF to retreat.

Because the Regime cannot countenance resistance, the FBI laid siege to the Davidians for 51 days before the final assault that left of scores of Davidians dead from fire, asphyxiation, and gunfire.

In 1973, a band of Sioux activists at Wounded Knee held off the FBI and the US military for 71 days, demanding respect for their rights under treaty law, accountability for the corruption of federally installed tribal dictator Dickie Wilson, and investigation of unsolved murders. The Feds replied with the largest domestic military deployment since the last confrontation at Wounded Knee in December 1890, an undisguised slaughter carried out by the vengeful Seventh Cavalry that amounted to an American Babi Yar.

In response to the 1973 protests, Armed FBI agents, U.S. Marshals, SWAT teams, and teams of Wilson's paramilitary "GOON Squad" formed an iron ring around the village of Wounded Knee. Colonel Vic Jackson, head of the Pentagon's Civil Disorder Management School, was called upon by the FBI to implement the notorious "Operation Garden Plot" martial law blueprint. The FBI's plan called for the Army would invade and "pacify" the village before the FBI went in to "arrest" whoever might survive the onslaught. Armored Personnel Carriers were on hand to deal with what were described as "bunkers" (and were, in fact, root cellars). Phantom F-4 jets flew low-altitude reconnaissance runs over the town.

At one point, the Bureau ordered the media to leave the area and then warned the occupiers to send out their women and children. The anticipated massacre might well have been thwarted by the presence of local white residents whom the FBI called "hostages" – but who were there voluntarily in order to protect their supposed captors from the Feds.

Over the next two years, the Feds were unable to convict the "ringleaders" of the Wounded Knee protest in court. So the FBI, following its COINTELPRO playbook, abetted internecine conflicts within the Indian resistance and carried out a campaign of low-intensity warfare that left several innocent people dead.

In 2003, when the Power Elite in Washington stretched out its hand a second time to confer the blessings on "democracy" on the people of Iraq, the city of Fallujah was one of the first targets of this exercise in murderous generosity. Bridges were bombed, schools and homes were seized by Washington's armed missionaries of armed benevolence, and Blackwater mercenaries abused and killed innocent people with arrogant abandon.

Fallujah residents reacted by killing several Blackwater operators and organizing small but effective resistance cells. This defiant ingratitude provoked the stern chastisement of Washington, which encircled the city and visited Carthaginian destruction on it.

Like any bully, the Regime in Washington chooses its battles carefully, generally avoiding fights with opponents capable of fighting back. But it will not accept defeat when clearly in the wrong. This is something Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and his supporters should remember.

David Koresh__ Mad Man In Waco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74wmI1Qm0rk

e:

Harry Reid on Bundy Ranch Cattle Battle: "It's Not Over"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX0U8pqmkIs

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubblegum ."

[Lasse]

October 8th, 2010
It's Official: Southern Poverty Law Center Is Now Part of DHS

As the below document makes clear, Southern Poverty Law Center is Now Officially Part of DHS. The CEO of SPLC now sits on the DHS "Working Group on Countering Violent Extremism" along with the leaders of other So-called Non Government Organizations (but can we really call them such now that they are part of the government?) And select "law enforcement" officers such as the Clark County Nevada Sheriff, Doug Gillespie. What does the working group do?  Make recommendations on training and how to use all of the local resources – police, social services, media, NGO's, you name it – to fight "extremism.  So, now no need to file a FOIA request to discover that SPLC is writing the reports naming constitutionalists as possible terrorists.  Now it is in your face and the mask is off.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/08/its-official-southern-poverty-law-center-is-now-part-of-dhs/

Näyttää, että tämä myrsky on kerännyt voimia jo jonkin aikaa.

Kaverukset:
(http://www.libertasintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/gillespie-reid-439x300.jpg)
http://www.libertasintel.com/military/sheriff-gillespie-chairs-nevada-dhs-committee-splc/

[Ink Visitor]

Riippuu ihan minkä tason ase riittää. Kertalaukaistava tussari on kenen hyvänsä rakennettavissa...

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?

A friend of mine recently forwarded me a question a friend of his had posed: "If/when our Federal Government comes to pilfer, pillage, plunder our property and destroy our lives, what good can a handgun do against an army with advanced weaponry, tanks, missiles, planes, or whatever else they might have at their disposal to achieve their nefarious goals? (I'm not being facetious: I accept the possibility that what happened in Germany, or similar, could happen here; I'm just not sure that the potential good from an armed citizenry in such a situation outweighs the day-to-day problems caused by masses of idiots who own guns.)" If I may, I'd like to try to answer that question. I certainly do not think the writer facetious for asking it. The subject is a serious one that I have given much research and considerable thought to. I believe that upon the answer to this question depends the future of our Constitutional republic, our liberty and perhaps our lives. My friend Aaron Zelman, one of the founders of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, once told me:

"If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition AND THE WILL TO USE IT (emphasis supplied, MV), Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic."

Note well that phrase: "and the will to use it," for the simply-stated question, "What good can a handgun do against an army?", is in fact a complex one and must be answered at length and carefully. It is a military question. It is also a political question. But above all it is a moral question which strikes to the heart of what makes men free, and what makes them slaves. First, let's answer the military question. Most military questions have both a strategic and a tactical component. Let's consider the tactical.

A friend of mine owns an instructive piece of history. It is a small, crude pistol, made out of sheet-metal stampings by the U.S. during World War II. While it fits in the palm of your hand and is a slowly-operated, single-shot arm, it's powerful .45 caliber projectile will kill a man with brutal efficiency. With a short, smooth-bore barrel it can reliably kill only at point blank ranges, so its use requires the will (brave or foolhardy) to get in close before firing. It is less a soldier's weapon than an assassin's tool. The U.S. manufactured them by the million during the war, not for our own forces but rather to be air-dropped behind German lines to resistance units in occupied Europe. Crude and slow (the fired case had to be knocked out of the breech by means of a little wooden dowel, a fresh round procured from the storage area in the grip and then manually reloaded and cocked) and so wildly inaccurate it couldn't hit the broad side of a French barn at 50 meters, to the Resistance man or woman who had no firearm it still looked pretty darn good. The theory and practice of it was this: First, you approach a German sentry with your little pistol hidden in your coat pocket and, with Academy-award sincerity, ask him for a light for your cigarette (or the time the train leaves for Paris, or if he wants to buy some non-army-issue food or a perhaps half-hour with your "sister"). When he smiles and casts a nervous glance down the street to see where his Sergeant is at, you blow his brains out with your first and only shot, then take his rifle and ammunition. Your next few minutes are occupied with "getting out of Dodge," for such critters generally go around in packs. After that (assuming you evade your late benefactor's friends) you keep the rifle and hand your little pistol to a fellow Resistance fighter so they can go get their own rifle.

Or maybe you then use your rifle to get a submachine gun from the Sergeant when he comes running. Perhaps you get very lucky and pickup a light machine gun, two boxes of ammunition and a haversack of hand grenades. With two of the grenades and the expenditure of a half-a-box of ammunition at a hasty roadblock the next night, you and your friends get a truck full of arms and ammunition. (Some of the cargo is sticky with "Boche" blood, but you don't mind terribly.)

Pretty soon you've got the best armed little maquis unit in your part of France, all from that cheap little pistol and the guts to use it. (One wonders if the current political elite's opposition to so-called "Saturday Night Specials" doesn't come from some adopted racial memory of previous failed tyrants. Even cheap little pistols are a threat to oppressive regimes.)

They called the pistol the "Liberator." Not a bad name, all in all. Now let's consider the strategic aspect of the question, "What good can a handgun do against an army....?" We have seen that even a poor pistol can make a great deal of difference to the military career and postwar plans of one enemy soldier. That's tactical. But consider what a million pistols, or a hundred million pistols (which may approach the actual number of handguns in the U.S. today), can mean to the military planner who seeks to carry out operations against a populace so armed. Mention "Afghanistan" or "Chechnya" to a member of the current Russian military hierarchy and watch them shudder at the bloody memories. Then you begin to get the idea that modern munitions, air superiority and overwhelming, precision-guided violence still are not enough to make victory certain when the targets are not sitting Christmas-present fashion out in the middle of the desert.

I forget the name of the Senator who observed, "You know, a million here and a million there, and pretty soon you're talking about serious money." Consider that there are at least as many firearms--handguns, rifles and shotguns--as there are citizens of the United States. Consider that last year there were more than 14 million Americans who bought licenses to hunt deer in the country. 14 million--that's a number greater than the largest five professional armies in the world combined. Consider also that those deer hunters are not only armed, but they own items of military utility--everything from camouflage clothing to infrared "game finders", Global Positioning System devices and night vision scopes. Consider also that quite a few of these hunters are military veterans. Just as moving around in the woods and stalking game are second nature, military operations are no mystery to them, especially those who were on the receiving end of guerrilla war in Southeast Asia. Indeed, such men, aging though they may be, may be more psychologically prepared for the exigencies of civil war (for this is what we are talking about) than their younger active-duty brother-soldiers whose only military experience involved neatly defined enemies and fronts in the Grand Campaign against Saddam. Not since 1861-1865 has the American military attempted to wage a war athwart its own logistical tail (nor indeed has it ever had to use modern conventional munitions on the Main Streets of its own hometowns and through its' relatives backyards, nor has it tested the obedience of soldiers who took a very different oath with orders to kill their "rebellious" neighbors, but that touches on the political aspect of the question).

But forget the psychological and political for a moment, and consider just the numbers. To paraphrase the Senator, "A million pistols here, a million rifles there, pretty soon you're talking serious firepower." No one, repeat, no one, will conquer America, from within or without, until its citizenry are disarmed. We remain, as a British officer had reason to complain at the start of our Revolution, "a people numerous and armed." The Second Amendment is a political issue today only because of the military reality that underlies it. Politicians who fear the people seek to disarm them. People who fear their government's intentions refuse to be disarmed. The Founders understood this. So, too, does every tyrant who ever lived. Liberty-loving Americans forget it at their peril. Until they do, American gun owners in the aggregate represent a strategic military fact and an impediment to foreign tyranny. They also represent the greatest political challenge to home-grown would-be tyrants. If the people cannot be forcibly disarmed against their will, then they must be persuaded to give up their arms voluntarily. This is the siren song of "gun control," which is to say "government control of all guns," although few self-respecting gun-grabbers such as Charles Schumer would be quite so bold as to phrase it so honestly.

Joseph Stalin, when informed after World War II that the Pope disapproved of Russian troops occupying Trieste, turned to his advisors and asked, "The Pope? The Pope? How many divisions does he have?" Dictators are unmoved by moral suasion. Fortunately, our Founders saw the wisdom of backing the First Amendment up with the Second. The "divisions" of the army of American constitutional liberty get into their cars and drive to work in this country every day to jobs that are hardly military in nature. Most of them are unmindful of the service they provide. Their arms depots may be found in innumerable closets, gunracks and gunsafes. They have no appointed officers, nor will they need any until they are mobilized by events. Such guardians of our liberty perform this service merely by existing. And although they may be an ever-diminishing minority within their own country, as gun ownership is demonized and discouraged by the ruling elites, still they are as yet more than enough to perform their vital task. And if they are unaware of the impediment they present to their would-be rulers, their would-be rulers are painfully aware of these "divisions of liberty", as evidenced by their incessant calls for individual disarmament. They understand moral versus military force just as clearly as Stalin, but they would not be so indelicate as to quote him. The Roman Republic failed because they could not successfully answer the question, "Who Shall Guard the Guards?" The Founders of this Republic answered that question with both the First and Second Amendments. Like Stalin, the Clintonistas could care less what common folk say about them, but the concept of the armed citizenry as guarantors of their own liberties sets their teeth on edge and disturbs their statist sleep. Governments, some great men once avowed, derive their legitimacy from "the consent of the governed." In the country that these men founded, it should not be required to remind anyone that the people do not obtain their natural, God-given liberties by "the consent of the Government." Yet in this century, our once great constitutional republic has been so profaned in the pursuit of power and social engineering by corrupt leaders as to be unrecognizable to the Founders. And in large measure we have ourselves to blame because at each crucial step along the way the usurpers of our liberties have obtained the consent of a majority of the governed to do what they have done, often in the name of "democracy"--a political system rejected by the Founders. Another good friend of mine gave the best description of pure democracy I have ever heard. "Democracy," he concluded, "is three wolves and a sheep sitting down to vote on what to have for dinner." The rights of the sheep in this system are by no means guaranteed.

Now it is true that our present wolf-like, would-be rulers do not as yet seek to eat that sheep and its peaceable wooly cousins (We, the people). They are, however, most desirous that the sheep be shorn of taxes, and if possible and when necessary, be reminded of their rightful place in society as "good citizen sheep" whose safety from the big bad wolves outside their barn doors is only guaranteed by the omni-presence in the barn of the "good wolves" of the government. Indeed, they do not present themselves as wolves at all, but rather these lupines parade around in sheep's clothing, bleating insistently in falsetto about the welfare of the flock and the necessity to surrender liberty and property "for the children", er, ah, I mean "the lambs." In order to ensure future generations of compliant sheep, they are careful to educate the lambs in the way of "political correctness," tutoring them in the totalitarian faiths that "it takes a barnyard to raise a lamb" and "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." Every now and then, some tough old independent-minded ram refuses to be shorn and tries to remind the flock that they once decided affairs themselves according to the rule of law of their ancestors, and without the help of their "betters." When that happens, the fangs become apparent and the conspicuously unwilling are shunned, cowed, driven off or (occasionally) killed. But flashing teeth or not, the majority of the flock has learned over time not to resist the Lupine-Mandarin class which herds it. Their Founders, who were fiercely independent rams, would have long ago chased off such usurpers. Any present members of the flock who think like that are denounced as antediluvian or mentally deranged. There are some of these dissidents the lupines would like to punish, but they dare not--for their teeth are every bit as long as their "betters." Indeed, this is the reason the wolves haven't eaten any sheep in generations. To the wolves chagrin, this portion of the flock is armed and they outnumber the wolves by a considerable margin. For now the wolves are content to watch the numbers of these "armed sheep" diminish, as long teeth are no longer fashionable in polite society. (Indeed, they are considered by the literati to be an anachronism best forgotten and such sheep are dismissed by the Mandarins as "Tooth Nuts" or "Right Leg Fanatics".) When the numbers of armed sheep fall below a level that the wolves can feel safe to do so, the eating will begin. The wolves are patient, and proceed by infinitesimal degrees like the slowly-boiling frog. It took them generations to lull the sheep into accepting them as rulers instead of elected representatives. If it takes another generation or two of sheep to complete the process, the wolves can wait. This is our "Animal Farm," without apology to George Orwell.

Even so, the truth is that one man with a pistol CAN defeat an army, given a righteous cause to fight for, enough determination to risk death for that cause, and enough brains, luck and friends to win the struggle. This is true in war but also in politics, and it is not necessary to be a Prussian militarist to see it. The dirty little secret of today's ruling elite as represented by the Clintonistas is that they want people of conscience and principle to be divided in as many ways as possible ("wedge issues" the consultants call them) so that they may be more easily manipulated. No issue of race, religion, class or economics is left unexploited. Lost in the din of jostling special interests are the few voices who point out that if we refuse to be divided from what truly unites us as a people, we cannot be defeated on the large issues of principle, faith, the constitutional republic and the rule of law. More importantly, woe and ridicule will be heaped upon anyone who points out that like the blustering Wizard of Oz, the federal tax and regulation machine is not as omniscient, omnipotent or fearsome as they would have us believe. Like the Wizard, they fan the scary flames higher and shout, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

For the truth is, they are frightened that we will find out how pitifully few they are compared to the mass of the citizenry they seek to frighten into compliance with their tax collections, property seizures and bureaucratic, unconstitutional power-shifting. I strongly recommend everyone see the new animated movie "A Bug's Life". Simple truths may often be found sheltering beneath unlikely overhangs, there protected from the pelting storm of lies that soak us everyday. "A Bug's Life", a childrens' movie of all things, is just such a place.

The plot revolves around an ant hill on an unnamed island, where the ants placate predatory grasshoppers by offering them each year one-half of the food they gather (sounds a lot like the IRS, right?). Driven to desperation by the insatiable tax demands of the large, fearsome grasshoppers, one enterprising ant goes abroad seeking bug mercenaries who will return with him and defend the anthill when the grasshoppers return. (If this sounds a lot like an animated "Magnificent Seven", you're right.) The grasshoppers (who roar about like some biker gang or perhaps the ATF in black helicopters, take your pick) are, at one point in the movie, lounging around in a "bug cantina" down in Mexico, living off the bounty of the land. The harvest seeds they eat are dispensed one at a time from an upturned bar bottle. Two grasshoppers suggest to their leader, a menacing fellow named "Hopper" (whose voice characterization by Kevin Spacey is suitably evil personified), that they should forget about the poor ants on the island. Here, they say, we can live off the fat of the land, why worry about some upstart ants? Hopper turns on them instantly. "Would you like a seed?" he quietly asks one. "Sure," answers the skeptical grasshopper thug. "Would you like one?" Hopper asks the other. "Yeah," says he. Hopper manipulates the spigot on the bar bottle twice, and distributes the seeds to them.

"So, you want to know why we have to go back to the island, do you?" Hopper asks menacingly as the thugs munch on their seeds. "I'll show you why!" he shouts, removing the cap from the bottle entirely with one quick blow. The seeds, no longer restrained by the cap, respond to gravity and rush out all at once, inundating the two grasshoppers and crushing them. Hopper turns to his remaining fellow grasshoppers and shrieks, "That's why!" I'm paraphrasing from memory here, for I've only seen the movie once. But Hopper then explains, "Don't you remember the upstart ant on that island? They outnumber us a hundred to one. How long do you think we'll last if they ever figure that out?"

"If the ants are not frightened of us," Hopper tells them, "our game is finished. We're finished."

Of course it comes as no surprise that in the end the ants figure that out. Would that liberty-loving Americans were as smart as animated ants. Courage to stand against tyranny, fortunately, is not only found on videotape. Courage flowers from the heart, from the twin roots of deeply-held principle and faith in God. There are American heroes living today who have not yet performed the deeds of principled courage that future history books will record. They have not yet had to stand in the gap, to plug it with their own fragile bodies and lives against the evil that portends. Not yet have they been required to pledge "their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor." Yet they will have to. I believe with all my heart the lesson that history teaches: That each and every generation of Americans is given, along with the liberty and opportunity that is their heritage, the duty to defend America against the tyrannies of their day. Our father's fathers fought this same fight. Our mother's mother's mothers fought it as well. From the Revolution through the world wars, from the Cold War through to the Gulf, they fought to secure their liberty in conflicts great and small, within and without.

They stood faithful to the oath that our Founders gave us: To bear true faith and allegiance--not to a man; not to the land; not to a political party, but to an idea. The idea is liberty, as codified in the Constitution of the United States. We swear, as did they, an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. And throughout the years they paid in blood and treasure the terrible price of that oath. That was their day. This is ours. The clouds we can see on the horizon may be a simple rain or a vast hurricane, but there is a storm coming. Make no mistake.

Lincoln said that this nation cannot long exist half slave and half free. I say, if I may humbly paraphrase, that this nation cannot long exist one-third slave, one-third uncommitted, and one-third free. The slavery today is of the mind and soul not the body, but it is slavery without a doubt that the Clintons and their toadies are pushing.

It is slavery to worship our nominally-elected representatives as our rulers instead of requiring their trustworthiness as our servants. It is slavery of the mind and soul that demands that God-given rights that our Forefathers secured with their blood and sacrifice be traded for the false security of a nanny-state which will tend to our "legitimate needs" as they are perceived by that government. It is slavery of a more traditional sort that extorts half of our incomes to pay, like slaves of old, for the privilege of serving and supporting our master's regime.

It is slavery to worship humanism as religion and slavery to deny life and liberty to unborn Americans. As people of faith in God, whatever our denomination, we are in bondage to a plantation system that steals our money; seizes our property; denies our ancient liberties; denies even our very history, supplanting it with sanitized and politicized "correctness"; denies our children a real public education; denies them even the mention of God in school; denies, in fact, the very existence of God.

So finally we are faced with, we must return to, the moral component of the question: "What good can a handgun do against an army?" The answer is "Nothing," or "Everything." The outcome depends upon the mind and heart and soul of the man or woman who holds it. One may also ask, "What good can a sling in the hands of a boy do against a marauding giant?" If your cause is just and righteous much can be done, but only if you are willing to risk the consequences of failure and to bear the burdens of eternal vigilance.

A new friend of mine gave me a plaque the other day. Upon it is written these words by Winston Churchill, a man who knew much about fighting tyranny: "Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." The Spartans at Thermopylae knew this. The fighting Jews of Masada knew this, when every man, woman and child died rather than submit to Roman tyranny. The Texans who died at the Alamo knew this. The frozen patriots of Valley Forge knew this. The "expendable men" of Bataan and Corregidor knew this. If there is one lesson of Hitlerism and the Holocaust, it is that free men, if they wish to remain free, must resist would-be tyrants at the first opportunity and at every opportunity. Remember that whether they the come as conquerors or elected officials, the men who secretly wish to be your murderers must first convince you that you must accept them as your masters. Free men and women must not wait until they are "selected", divided and herded into Warsaw Ghettos, there to finally fight desperately, almost without weapons, and die outnumbered. The tyrant must be met at the door when he appears. At your door, or mine, wherever he shows his bloody appetite. He must be met by the pistol which can defeat an army. He must be met at every door, for in truth we outnumber him and his henchmen. It matters not whether they call themselves Communists or Nazis or something else. It matters not what flag they fly, nor what uniform they wear. It matters not what excuses they give for stealing your liberty, your property or your life. "By their works ye shall know them."

The time is late. Those who once has trouble reading the hour on their watches have no trouble seeing by the glare of the fire at Waco. Few of us realized at the time that the Constitution was burning right along with the Davidians. Now we know better.

We have had the advantage of that horrible illumination for more than five years now--five years in which the rule of law and the battered old parchment of our beloved Constitution have been smashed, shredded and besmirched by the Clintonistas. In this process they have been aided and abetted by the cowardly incompetence of the "opposition" Republican leadership, a fact made crystal clear by the Waco hearings. They have forgotten Daniel Webster's warning: "Miracles do not cluster. Hold on to the Constitution of the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands--what has happened once in six thousand years may never happen again. Hold on to your Constitution, for if the American Constitution shall fail there will be anarchy throughout the world." Yet being able to see what has happened has not helped us reverse, or even slow, the process. The sad fact is that we may have to resign ourselves to the prospect of having to maintain our principles and our liberty in the face of becoming a disenfranchised minority within our own country. The middle third of the populace, it seems, will continue to waffle in favor of the enemies of the Constitution until their comfort level with the economy is endangered. They've got theirs, Jack. The Republicans, who we thought could represent our interests and protect the Constitution and the rule of law, have been demonstrated to be political eunuchs. Alan Keyes was dead right when he characterized the last election as one between "the lawless Democrats and the gutless Republicans." The spectacular political failures of our current leaders are unrivaled in our history unless you recall the unprincipled jockeying for position and tragi-comedy of misunderstanding and miscommunication which lead to our first Civil War.

And make no mistake, it is civil war which may be the most horrible corollary of the Law of Unintended Consequences as it applies to the Clintonistas and their destruction of the rule of law. Because such people have no cause for which they are willing to die (all morality being relativistic to them, and all principles compromisable), they cannot fathom the motives or behavior of people who believe that there are some principles worth fighting and dying for. Out of such failures of understanding come wars. Particularly because although such elitists would not risk their own necks in a fight, they have no compunction about ordering others in their pay to fight for them. It is not the deaths of others, but their own deaths, that they fear. As a Christian, I cannot fear my own death, but rather I am commanded by my God to live in such a way as to make my death a homecoming. That this makes me incomprehensible and threatening to those who wish to be my masters is something I can do little about. I would suggest to them that they not poke their godless, tyrannical noses down my alley. As the coiled rattlesnake flag of the Revolution bluntly stated: "Don't Tread on Me!" Or, as our state motto here in Alabama says: "We Dare Defend Our Rights."

But can a handgun defeat an army? Yes. It remains to be seen whether the struggle of our generation against the tyrants of our day in the first decade of the 21st Century will bring a restoration of liberty and the rule of law or a dark and bloody descent into chaos and slavery. If it is to be the former, I will meet you at the new Yorktown. If it is to be the latter, I will meet you at Masada. But I will not be a slave. And I know that whether we succeed or fail, if we should fall along the way, our graves will one day be visited by other free Americans, thanking us that we did not forget that, with help of Almighty God, in the hands of a free man a handgun CAN defeat a tyrant's army.

http://billstclair.com/blog/stories/handgun.html

[Tabula Rasa]

http://guns.connect.fi/gow/kysvast20.html

Ja kotimainen versio vanhan kunnon pt kekkosen tekemänä. Muttas joo. Olisi tuo ollut helpompi tiivistää puolustustahtoon. Jos tahtoo omaansa puolustaa niin ase kuin ase ratkaisee. Jos ei niin mikään ase ei vaikuta mitenkään.

[Ink Visitor]

Olisi tuo ollut helpompi tiivistää puolustustahtoon. Jos tahtoo omaansa puolustaa niin ase kuin ase ratkaisee. Jos ei niin mikään ase ei vaikuta mitenkään.

Tuossahan kaikki on kiteytettynä. Jokaisella tulee raja vastaan ennemmin tai myöhemmin. Kukaan ei siedä öykkäröintiä ja syrjintää miltään taholta loppumattomiin ja sitten tahto ratkaisee, väline on toisarvoinen. Jos vain on riittävä tahto ja usko oman asian oikeutukseen on pieni ja vaatimaton asekin tehokas...

[Possumi]

Bundyn suku on laiduntanut karjaansa niillä "liittovaltion mailla" toistasataa vuotta.

... ja varmasti sitä ennen maita on käyttänyt jokin intiaaniheimo joilta 'bundyn suku' on maat ryöstänyt

-He ovat olleet laiduntamiseen oikeutettuja koska he ovat aina omistaneet laiduntamisoikeudet kyseisille maille.

1938 Grazing Act lain mukaan kukaan ei voi omistaa laiduntamisoikeuksia liittovaltion maihin. Ne myönnetään tietyin ehdoin ja määräajoiksi.

-Reilu kaksikymmentä vuotta sitten liittovaltio yritti ostaa kaikilta alueen rancheiltä laiduntamisoikeudet pois. Kukaan ei myynyt.

1993 laiduntamisoikeuksien ehtoja muutettiin mm. tuon alueen osalta lallisin perustein.

-Edellisen jälkeen tilallisia alettiin savustaa alueelta ulos erilaisilla viranomaiskeinoilla.

Viranomaiset olivat velvollisia panemaan voimaan lakiin perustuvan oikeuden päätöksen.

-Jossain vaiheessa Bundy huomasi että perustuslain ja Nevadan lakien mukaan liittovaltiolla ei ole maihin mitään oikeuksia.

Perustuslaeista ja laiesta yleensä on helppo kenen tahansa muodostaa omia mielivaltaisia tulkintoja. Siksi on eri oikeusasteet sekä korkein oikeus joiden tehtävä on tulkita ja antaa päätöksiä niiden perusteella. Bundy ja hänen liikkeensä ei tyytynyt laki-istuimien päätöksiin asiassa vaan otti ns. lain omiin käsiinsä mm. väkivaltaa uhkaamalla.

PS: kovasti haluaisin olla sankari-Bundyn puolella pahoja liittovaltio-salaliittolaisia vastaan - mutta kun faktat ovat nämä niin ei oikein mielikuvitus riitä symppaamaan

[Tykkimies Pönni]

PS: kovasti haluaisin olla sankari-Bundyn puolella pahoja liittovaltio-salaliittolaisia vastaan - mutta kun faktat ovat nämä niin ei oikein mielikuvitus riitä symppaamaan

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