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Started by kriittinen_ajattelija, 02.12.2013, 17:08:05

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kriittinen_ajattelija

#17040
QuoteJan. 22, on the Day of Unity of Ukraine, hundreds of activists of Civil Corps AZOV, as well as organizations "Carpathian Sich," "UNSO," "Sokil" and others held a march against the crimes of immigrants in Ukraine. It was a single case, but the measures taken by Ukrainian nationalists are also meant to be a solidarity rally with all European patriots who currently have the guts to act against the "refugee" plague in Europe.
In December of 2015 about 13 foreigners in Ivano-Frankivsk kidnapped, abused and raped two young Ukrainian girls, 11 and 12 years old. The perpetuators were the foreign students of one of Ivano-Frankivsk universities.

The main purpose of the event was to make it clear to the enemy that Ukrainians will not tolerate immigrant crimes in the country. In particular, the participants chanted and held the big banner with an inscription "Remember, stranger - a Ukrainian is the master here!"

"Today is the Day of Unity of Ukraine. We suffer daily losses. In the east, on the front, in the zone of the anti-terror operation. And these days, this time in Ivano-Frankivsk, in the deep rear, a bunch of foreigners whom sheltered Ukraine, gave them the opportunity to study, get a higher education, committed such a shameful act.
There are not many of us, but our voice will be heard everywhere throughout Ukraine. And everyone whose heart has not become mean yet, will respond to us. And those whose heart is mean - we will call to account ourselves.
Glory to Ukraine! Glory to heroes!"
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/bebfcd6ea00bbe88892ee7b011160535/tumblr_o1u4v3PpT91uhk2n8o7_500.jpg)(http://41.media.tumblr.com/9f90883bdd7c408640bfb95a5bcd15b0/tumblr_o1u4v3PpT91uhk2n8o9_500.jpg)

- See more at: http://reconquista-europe.tumblr.com/#sthash.F0VG52wF.dpuf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uySMLrApUiA

Hyvä dokkari Ukrainasta: http://www.theguardian.com/news/video/2016/jan/29/the-night-wolves-putins-motorbiking-militia-of-luhansk-video
The Night Wolves: Putin's motorbiking militia of Luhansk – video
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

kriittinen_ajattelija

#17041
'Vilin' puoli vuotta Donbassin etulinjassa - Suomalaisen sotasankarin haastattelu 5.2.2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHGbJrZOrqg

Petri Viljakainen on ollut puoli vuotta sotimassa nyt Ukrainassa, muitten suomalaisten ohella. Miehen haastattelu videolla.

Hyvä dokkari ranskalaisilta Ukrainasta:
Quotehttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=30e_1454796647
Documentary: Ukraine - Masks of revolution. Eng. Subs.
VPE presents highly anticipated, contorversial (to some) documentary about so called Maidan revolution.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=30e_1454796647#Ujlv024mIzJLdSVp.99
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

kriittinen_ajattelija

#17042
Quote'Petro Poroshenko, the president of Ukraine has taken a decision on retiring Arseny Yatsenyuk, the Prime Minister of Ukraine. However, he has not chosen a candidate of his successor,' writes the Ukrainian publication the Ukrainskaya Pravda.

'Poroshenko does not think about whether he will retire Yatsenyuk. He thinks about the person who will be after Yatsenyuk. As soon as he finds a candidate with votes, there will take place the retirement of Yatsenyuk,' pointed out the representative of Petro Poroshenko's party.
https://dninews.com/article/poroshenko-decided-retire-yatsenyuk

QuotePoroshenko wants to fire Yatsenyuk, looks for substitution – media
"He [Poroshenko] does not consider whether or not to dismiss Yatsenyuk. He thinks of who is succeed on PM post. As soon as he finds a nominee with [enough] votes, the dismissal will take place," said the source in the BPP, close to the president, according to Ukrainska Pravda.

Among the names being considered for the post of prime minister is Rada Speaker Volodymyr Groysman, NSDC Secretary Oleksandr Turchynov, and even Odesa Governor and ex-president of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili.
Read more on UNIAN: http://www.unian.info/politics/1260196-poroshenko-wants-to-fire-yatsenyuk-looks-for-new-pm-media.html

Myös maan talousministeri erosi äskettäin syyttäen maan johtoa korruptiosta.
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

kriittinen_ajattelija

#17043
QuotePoroshenkolta raju vuodatus Münchenissä: "Putin on eristäytymisen, suvaitsemattomuuden ja homofobian johtaja"

Tasan kaksi vuotta sitten sadat ukrainalaiset antoivat henkensä, koska he unelmoivat elämisestä Euroopassa, Poroshenko aloitti puheenvuoronsa viitaten Maidanin verilöylyyn Kiovassa helmikuussa 2014.

Poroshenko korosti paneelikeskustelun puheenvuorossaan eurooppalaisia arvoja, joista on pidettävä kiinni yhdessä.

- Jos kannatamme eristäytymistä, suvaitsemattomuutta, uskonnollisia fanaatikkoja ja homofobiaa, tälle vaihtoehdolle Euroopalla on jo olemassa johtaja. Hänen nimensä on Putin, Poroshenko täräytti.

Ukrainan presidentin mukaan Eurooppa on hyvin merkittävän haasteen edessä.

- Miten voimme voittaa tämän taistelun? Olemalla yksimielisiä. Taistelemalla yhteisten arvojemme puolesta.

Poroshenko muistutti, että tuhannet ukrainalaiset ovat antaneet henkensä taistellessaan Venäjän aggressiota vastaan.

- Venäläisiä joukkoja ja venäläisiä aseita tunkeutuu minun maahani joka päivä. Vieraiden joukkojen tulee vetäytyä välittömästi. Meillä on paljon todisteita näistä joukoista, ei ainoastaan venäläissotilaiden passit, jota esittelin täällä viime vuonna.

Hän kohdisti puheensa suoraan Venäjän presidentille Vladimir Putinille:

- Tämä ei ole sisällisota. Tämä on teidän aggressiotanne. Syyriassa ei ole sisällissota, vaan te pommitatte siellä siviilejä. On kuin eläisimme eri universumissa Venäjän kanssa.

- Suonette anteeksi tunteenpurkaukseni, Poroshenko sanoi kiihtyneenä yleisölle.

Poroshenkon mukaan vaakalaudalla ei ole ainoastaan Ukraina vaan koko Euroopan turvallisuus.

- Euroopalla ei enää ole rajaa. Meidän tulee toimia yhdessä. Euroopan arvot yhdistävät meidät. Ja me olemme vahvempia.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/2016021321112328_ul.shtml
Kiintoisa avautuminen, mahtaakohan Ukrainan kansa tosin olla ihan yhtä "suvaitsevaista"
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

Jukka Wallin

Quote from: kriittinen_ajattelija on 13.02.2016, 18:19:49
QuotePoroshenkolta raju vuodatus Münchenissä: "Putin on eristäytymisen, suvaitsemattomuuden ja homofobian johtaja"

Tasan kaksi vuotta sitten sadat ukrainalaiset antoivat henkensä, koska he unelmoivat elämisestä Euroopassa, Poroshenko aloitti puheenvuoronsa viitaten Maidanin verilöylyyn Kiovassa helmikuussa 2014.

Poroshenko korosti paneelikeskustelun puheenvuorossaan eurooppalaisia arvoja, joista on pidettävä kiinni yhdessä.

- Jos kannatamme eristäytymistä, suvaitsemattomuutta, uskonnollisia fanaatikkoja ja homofobiaa, tälle vaihtoehdolle Euroopalla on jo olemassa johtaja. Hänen nimensä on Putin, Poroshenko täräytti.

Ukrainan presidentin mukaan Eurooppa on hyvin merkittävän haasteen edessä.

- Miten voimme voittaa tämän taistelun? Olemalla yksimielisiä. Taistelemalla yhteisten arvojemme puolesta.

Poroshenko muistutti, että tuhannet ukrainalaiset ovat antaneet henkensä taistellessaan Venäjän aggressiota vastaan.

- Venäläisiä joukkoja ja venäläisiä aseita tunkeutuu minun maahani joka päivä. Vieraiden joukkojen tulee vetäytyä välittömästi. Meillä on paljon todisteita näistä joukoista, ei ainoastaan venäläissotilaiden passit, jota esittelin täällä viime vuonna.

Hän kohdisti puheensa suoraan Venäjän presidentille Vladimir Putinille:

- Tämä ei ole sisällisota. Tämä on teidän aggressiotanne. Syyriassa ei ole sisällissota, vaan te pommitatte siellä siviilejä. On kuin eläisimme eri universumissa Venäjän kanssa.

- Suonette anteeksi tunteenpurkaukseni, Poroshenko sanoi kiihtyneenä yleisölle.

Poroshenkon mukaan vaakalaudalla ei ole ainoastaan Ukraina vaan koko Euroopan turvallisuus.

- Euroopalla ei enää ole rajaa. Meidän tulee toimia yhdessä. Euroopan arvot yhdistävät meidät. Ja me olemme vahvempia.
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/2016021321112328_ul.shtml
Kiintoisa avautuminen, mahtaakohan Ukrainan kansa tosin olla ihan yhtä "suvaitsevaista"

Ihmettelen tuota boldattua "Euroopan arvot yhdistävät meidät". Minulla ei ole todellakaan hänen kanssaan samat arvot millään tasolla.
Tue Suomidemokraatit puolueeksi allekirjoittamalla kannattajakorttimme ja lähettämällä se meille.

kriittinen_ajattelija

http://gordonua.com/news/worldnews/v-estonii-poyavilsya-svoy-pravyy-sektor-119827.html
Oikea Sektori laajenee Viroon. Eikä ne virolaiset osaa itse keksiä mitään, ensin Odinin sotilaat ja nyt tämä...
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

kriittinen_ajattelija

#17046
Pakko hieman ihmetellä tuota Petro Poroshenkon valintaa maan presidentiksi, vaikea nähdä miksi kukaan häntä tukisi. Mieshän oli talousministeri tuossa pro-Russia ---> Yanukovych:n hallituksessa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Azarov_Government

Mies ei osaa edes puhua sujuvasti Ukrainaa, vaan takaltelee kielen kanssa aina välillä.
QuoteUkraine's President Poroshenko has been mocked for "forgetting Ukrainian" by Russian media after struggling to recall the word for "wallet" during a press conference.
hile answering a question in Ukrainian about his own entrepreneurial past and his charity work, Poroshenko turned to his aide to ask what the Ukrainian word for the Russian "koshelyok" was—meaning "wallet." 
http://europe.newsweek.com/russian-media-accuses-ukraines-president-forgetting-ukrainian-after-tv-gaffe-416166?rm=eu

Poroshenko on maan 6 rikkain mies ja ainoa oligarkki joka on sodan aikana vaan rikastunut, toisin kuin muut jotka ovat menettäneet suuria summia rahaa.
QuotePoroshenko is the only businessman in the Top 10 who has increased his fortune in the past year.
http://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine/ranking-of-richest-ukrainians-published-401133.html

Poroshenkon tytär on näyttelijänä Venäjällä - sodankin aikana.
QuotePoroshenko's daughter became the star of NTV, starring in the Russian TV series "Return of Mukhtar"
While dad is "at war with Russia", the daughter of Ukrainian President Poroshenko, Evgeniya starred in the Russian TV series "Return of Mukhtar — 8".
http://www.therussophile.org/poroshenkos-daughter-is-a-russian-movie-star.html/

Poroshenkon suosio onkin ilmeisesti laskenut merkittävästi:
QuotePresident Petro Poroshenko is now less popular than his predecessor Viktor Yanukovych was before he was ousted. After more than a year in office, 17% of Ukrainians approve of the job that Poroshenko is doing. This approval rating is down sharply from 47% a few months after his election in May 2014.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/187931/ukrainians-disillusioned-leadership.aspx?g_source=World&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

En toki ole mikään Ukraina asiantuntija, mutta ihmettelen vaan tuota maan poliittista sekoilua.
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

kriittinen_ajattelija

Meanwhile Islamilaisessa tasavallassa Ukrainan kapinallisten keskuudessa on "luovat" tavat rankaista huume-diilereitä. Mahtaako Janus Putkonen raportoida tästä, vai vaikeneeko..

Quotek18: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRC6FwjPZS4
18+ DPR commander Olkhon tortures and [allegedly] executes a drugdealer
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

kriittinen_ajattelija

#17048
QuoteKiev millionaire: First they hopped on Maidan, now they are fleeing the country.

The youth that yesterday hopped on Maidan for "European values" today are leaving Ukraine in large, trying to avoid responsibility for their actions.It was stated by Alexander Melamud, a Kiev businessman and the co-owner of the shopping centre Dream Town, reports The Politnavigator.

According to him, the people who supported Maidan do not have the right to leave the country, which found itself in an economic crisis due to the coup d'etat.

'Many people ... I hear it from different places, from different people: some acquaintances or the others have left ...T he mood among the youth, especially the young people, who do not have any roots that tie them to this place, so their mood is to flee somewhere. And, if possible, many are leaving ...

In principle, it is normal as all over the world, young people move easily. But the problem is not associated with the right to travel (if you are accepted by a country, you can live anywhere) but with responsibility for your actions.

If a person created the conditions under which the country is in a very difficult economic and political situation, and instead of solving these problems he's going to leave, then the rule of freedom of movement should not act for him.

The person who went to Maidan ... It is clear that there was a large number of young people, if they felt romantical, it does not mean that they are bad or stupid, but they should have a conscience and take responsibility for what they did. If you made a mistake, you should have the courage to admit it,'
said Melamud.
https://dninews.com/article/kiev-millionaire-first-they-hopped-maidan-now-they-are-fleeing-country

Heh, Kiovan hipsterit hyppi "Eurooppalaisten arvojen puolesta" mutta sittenkun asiat ei mennytkään niinkuin elokuvissa, niin hipsterit jättää laivan ensimmäisenä. Sama juttu myös Suomessa edessä jahka maa on ensin tuhottu maahanmuutolla, Helsingin hipsterit jättää maan ensimmäisenä..
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

kriittinen_ajattelija

QuoteInterviewer: Hello Igor Ivanovich,
Could you please tell us – who gathered at the Maidan Square in November 2013 and what did they want to change in Ukraine? 


Strelkov: As I've said many times before, Maidan was simply a smokescreen for a palace coup carried out by oligarchs from Yanukovich's own clique, whose goal was to completely rip Ukraine away from Russia and move it into the so-called "European sphere of influence". 

Also, we need to separate Grushevskogo street and the Maidan Square. On Grushevskogo, there were ultranationalists, essentially neo-Nazis, and Maidan Square was a curious mixture of students, intelligentsia, and relatively moderate nationalists. 

I would like to point out that most people in Kiev at that point were against Yanukovich, the people that I talked to at least. They did not understand what this is going to lead to, and when I told them that this would rip the country apart and start a civil war they thought I'm kidding. Many – taxi drivers, etc. – were completely sure that Yanukovich is the supported by Russian special forces, because it was obviously force fed to them off TV screens. And since all the mass media were controlled by Yanukovich opponents... Even the state-owned media channels, when they half-heartedly spoke the official statements, they still only showed the riot police beating the protesters and did not show the riot police being attacked and killed themselves. 

If we look at the situation historically, the events in Kiev are roughly similar to the Moscow events of 1991 – the naïve intelligentsia who falsely believed their aspirations matter, the provocateurs among the government that purposely escalated the violence, and a small number of extremists that provided a show for the mass media. The same exact scenario, with some cosmetic changes, but the same results. A fairly large part of the population acted like a donkey running after a carrot tied in front, not even able to explain what exactly are they hoping to get. 


Interviewer: Who was interested in escalating the protest, and starting the bloodshed? 

Strelkov: Obviously, the masterminds – US State Department, European politicians doing their bidding, and their proxies in Ukraine. The goal was to overthrow Yanukovich, completely rip Ukraine away from Russia, and bring a rabidly Russophobic regime to power in Kiev – just as it happened. 

Interviewer: How could it happen that Ukraine, [where 6 million fought the Nazis, and only 1/60th of that number joined Bandera's Nazi collaborators - ed.], was taken over by groups shouting Nazi collaborator slogans?   

Strelkov: First off, they were always there. After World War II, the country has lost so many men that even Stalin did not want to exacerbate the losses, and Banderites simply received lengthy prison terms. Most of them survived until Stalin's death, when they were unconditionally pardoned by Khrushchev [it is worth noting that the death rates in gulags were very high during WWII starvation years, but afterwards stayed around 3% – 5% mark, not too different from general population – ed.]. They kept quiet, but they kept the ideology alive, and after 1991 they received full government support – because every Ukrainian government eagerly supported nationalists as insurance against the population overthrowing them and returning to the prosperous times of unity with Russia. 

And you have to understand that every last Ukrainian government was nationalist. Yanukovich and Yarosh are not opposed – they are two wings of the same movement, only Yarosh is more radical and Yanukovich was more of a simple thief who used the ideology and, in the end, was hated by both sides for it.

So when a new generation grew up that did not remember the Soviet Union personally, they learned everything they knew from TV and textbooks – and considering that nationalists completely dominated the media and education and there were essentially zero alternative opinions present – by now a lot of the youth simply do not know what really happened and are completely oblivious to the fact that their ancestors for the past 300 years considered themselves Russians, fought and died for a united country. 

Interviewer: Those neo-Nazi groups – were all of their actions planned, or did they at some point become uncontrollable? 

Strelkov: No, they were always puppets. The Maidan was completely controlled by a group of oligarchs the whole way. I personally know that Poroshenko spent half a million UAH per day [over 70,000 USD – ed.] on Maidan! He wasn't the only one, of course – in fact, pretty much all of them financed it, maybe except Ahmetov and his team. 

Interviewer: Did the people go to Maidan to earn money, then, or did they go there for ideological reasons? 

Strelkov: On Grushevskogo street, most were paid, although there were quite a few ideologically driven Nazis too. On Maidan, most people were not paid. There were some people that had to stay there round-the-clock – because the vast majority left at night, but a small crowd was needed to keep up appearances – those were paid a bit for staying at night, but it's not like they came there to earn money.   

But you have to understand that's how Ukrainian politics work. The anti-Maidan crowd next to them was getting paid to a man, 500 UAH per day – good money at the time, about 70 bucks for doing nothing and hanging out with free food and tea. And I personally saw some people from anti-Maidan get their money for the day and go join the Maidan crowd for the evening, for free. 

Interviewer: When the protest became more radical and neo-Nazis became the driving force, why wasn't there a single political organization that could stand up to them? 

Strelkov: And what about USSR in 1991? How many Communist Party members were then – 18 million or so? Over 25 million in the Communist Youth Union, too. Did anyone stand up against the so-called "glorious democratic revolution"? Nobody did anything, because nobody believed in the system anymore, starting with the people at the top. I grew up back then, and I remember. Maybe in the provinces it was different, but in Moscow nobody believed in the Communist ideas. At least among the young people. It was just a ritual by that point. Idealists were few and far between, and people laughed at them. 

Interviewer: USSR had one party and what happened was a change within that party. But Ukraine had a multiparty system – couldn't one party stand against what another one was doing? 

Strelkov: Imagine that tomorrow some kind of fascists riot and take over the Kremlin.   

Of course, it's not possible – at this point, our country can not have a color revolution, only a palace coup disguised as yet another Maidan or Bolotnaya, just like Ukraine. Or maybe even undisguised – remember 2000, when Yeltsin said "I'm tired, I'm leaving" [and handed over the country to Putin – ed.], that wasn't a democratic transfer of power either.   

Imagine that such a coup happened. Do you seriously think that Zuganov and his "Communists of the Russian Federation" would really fight it? I see you shaking your head – yes, I don't think so either. They are quite happy being the "official opposition", and at this point essentially operate as government bureaucrats who have zero interest in "rocking the boat". A bureaucrat only acts when given an order – if he doesn't get one, he stays put. 


Interviewer: So the situation in Ukraine may be what happens to Russia down the road? 

Strelkov: Ukraine is Russia. All the processes underway here are also underway there – some faster, and some slower. As I said, Maidan is 1991 events happening two decades too late. And, of course, that scenario could very well be repeated in Russia. 

Interviewer: When did you understand that, unless the spread of fascism is checked, it will take over and destroy Ukraine and then, likely, also Russia?

Strelkov: Let me be clear – what came to power in Ukraine wasn't classic nazim. It was a plutocracy, the rule of oligarchs, using ultranationalist ideology for their own ends – which were completely breaking ties with Russia. Poroshenko is no different from Yanukovich. They are virtually the same, except that Yanukovich is somewhat dumber. But they are of the same class of plutocrats who don't give a damn about the country or the people. The person who came to power wasn't Yarosh or one of the other Nazis, but one of the plutocrats who were using neo-Nazis as cannon fodder. Obviously, I have little love for Ukrainian Nazis, or any other kind of Nazi, but they are merely tools – that's the objective truth. Their ideas happen to be convenient. If they stop being expedient, they will be replaced. 

As for why I acted – because I had an opportunity to change something, to stand against [plutocrats further ripping apart and robbing a country – Ed.]. Previously, I never had one – in 1991, I was very young, didn't support either side because they were obviously corrupt, and back then there was no third option. In 2014 it could happen, at least theoretically.   

As for 1993 [fighting between the Parliament and the president], I was serving in the Army, away from Moscow. Although many of my friends at the time supported the Parliament, defended the White House, stormed the Ostankino TV station, etc. I only met people who were on the other side when I started serving in the Federal Security Bureau. 

But in 2014, it so happened that I had a choice – take a stand, or go home. And I took a stand. After all, this is something I've been preparing for my whole life.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/02/strelkov-full-military-biography-big.html

Pätkä pitkästä Igot Strelkov:n haastattelusta, mies on yksi keskeisiä hahmoja Ukrainan kapinaliikkeessä.
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

Lasse

Kauanko saamme odottaa viisumivapautta ukeille?

IL Ukrainassa: Soini lupaa täyden tuen Ukrainalle
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/2016021721132781_ul.shtml
NOVUS ORDO HOMMARUM

Phantasticum

Quote from: Lasse on 17.02.2016, 18:49:01
IL Ukrainassa: Soini lupaa täyden tuen Ukrainalle
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/2016021721132781_ul.shtml

Millä ja kenen antamalla mandaatilla Suomen ulkoministeri lupailee Ukrainalle täyttä tukea uudistusten ja jälleenrakentamisen tiellä? Millä lihaksilla Suomen ulkoministeri oikein pullistelee, kun tiettävästi hänen oma maansa on tällä hetkellä EU:n surkeimmassa jamassa taloudellisesti eikä valoa ole vieläkään näkyvissä edes tunnelin päässä?

Timo Soini ottaa kantaa Pohjois-Korean ohjuskokeisiin sellaisin sanakääntein, jota ei ole totuttu näkemään Suomen valtiojohdolta, Timo Soini syyttää lähes yksipuolisesti Venäjää Syyrian tilanteen pahenemisesta, ja nyt Timo Soini on lupaamassa täyttä tukea Ukrainalle. "Voitte luottaa täyteen tukeemme", ei kun hetkinen, kummottis se nyt menikään, "America is with you, I am with you".

Onko rukousaamiainen mennyt vähän pitkäksi? Timo Soinia vaivaa pahemman luokan suuruusharha. Sitä se teettää, kun oikeat henkilöt taputtelevat selkään ja kehuvat. Sitä on helppo kuvitella itsensä merkityksellisemmäksi kuin onkaan.

Purppura

Quote from: Phantasticum on 18.02.2016, 18:28:19
Quote from: Lasse on 17.02.2016, 18:49:01
IL Ukrainassa: Soini lupaa täyden tuen Ukrainalle
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/2016021721132781_ul.shtml

Millä ja kenen antamalla mandaatilla Suomen ulkoministeri lupailee Ukrainalle täyttä tukea uudistusten ja jälleenrakentamisen tiellä? Millä lihaksilla Suomen ulkoministeri oikein pullistelee, kun tiettävästi hänen oma maansa on tällä hetkellä EU:n surkeimmassa jamassa taloudellisesti eikä valoa ole vieläkään näkyvissä edes tunnelin päässä?

Timo Soini ottaa kantaa Pohjois-Korean ohjuskokeisiin sellaisin sanakääntein, jota ei ole totuttu näkemään Suomen valtiojohdolta, Timo Soini syyttää lähes yksipuolisesti Venäjää Syyrian tilanteen pahenemisesta, ja nyt Timo Soini on lupaamassa täyttä tukea Ukrainalle. "Voitte luottaa täyteen tukeemme", ei kun hetkinen, kummottis se nyt menikään, "America is with you, I am with you".

Onko rukousaamiainen mennyt vähän pitkäksi? Timo Soinia vaivaa pahemman luokan suuruusharha. Sitä se teettää, kun oikeat henkilöt taputtelevat selkään ja kehuvat. Sitä on helppo kuvitella itsensä merkityksellisemmäksi kuin onkaan.

Ensin syydetään muutama miljardi kehitysapua pitkin maailmaa, sitten lisää rahaa Kreikkaan. Tämän jälkeen puoli miljoonaa pakolaisilla ja nyt 19.000.000 Ukrainaan. On se kumma ettei valtionvelka lyhene vaikka hallitus kuinka yrittää.
Todellisuuden tajuamista nimitetään nykyään rasismiksi.

xor_rox

Tuo 19 miltsiä on vain suora tuki Suomelta Kiovaan. Eurostoliiton kautta tukea valuu myös.

Lasse

Quote from: Phantasticum on 18.02.2016, 18:28:19
Millä ja kenen antamalla mandaatilla Suomen ulkoministeri lupailee Ukrainalle täyttä tukea uudistusten ja jälleenrakentamisen tiellä? Millä lihaksilla Suomen ulkoministeri oikein pullistelee, kun tiettävästi hänen oma maansa on tällä hetkellä EU:n surkeimmassa jamassa taloudellisesti eikä valoa ole vieläkään näkyvissä edes tunnelin päässä?

Nythän Desilijic Tiurella on mahdollisuus näyttää, millaista Suomen "täysi tuki" on, kun IMF  lopettaa massin kaatamisen ukeille:

IMF stops funding Ukraine over lack of reform
http://www.customstoday.com.pk/imf-stops-funding-ukraine-over-lack-of-reform/
NOVUS ORDO HOMMARUM

Griffinvaari

Quote from: Lasse on 18.02.2016, 19:49:43
Quote from: Phantasticum on 18.02.2016, 18:28:19
Millä ja kenen antamalla mandaatilla Suomen ulkoministeri lupailee Ukrainalle täyttä tukea uudistusten ja jälleenrakentamisen tiellä? Millä lihaksilla Suomen ulkoministeri oikein pullistelee, kun tiettävästi hänen oma maansa on tällä hetkellä EU:n surkeimmassa jamassa taloudellisesti eikä valoa ole vieläkään näkyvissä edes tunnelin päässä?

Nythän Desilijic Tiurella on mahdollisuus näyttää, millaista Suomen "täysi tuki" on, kun IMF  lopettaa massin kaatamisen ukeille:

IMF stops funding Ukraine over lack of reform
http://www.customstoday.com.pk/imf-stops-funding-ukraine-over-lack-of-reform/

Jos on yhtä pitävä kuin vaalilupaukset, ei mitään hätää kolikkoakaan ei lähde :D.

kriittinen_ajattelija

#17056
QuoteLadies and Gentlemen. Grab some popcorn. It might get hot very interesting down in Kiev. Radical forces such as 'Right Sector' and others have declared the start of another maidan. Will it succeed?
What will it bring?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQMSooKy6cQ


QuoteA speaker for the Right Sector (RS), Artem Skoropadsky, has predicted a coup in Ukraine, and threatened to put tanks in the center of Kiev. He wrote this on his page on Facebook.

"Let's be frank - we have no state. The Ministry of Internal Affairs has is a caricature of the "new police", which can be dispersed by any street thugs. There's a bunch of politicians in the Verkhovna Rada, of which only 20 are honest people. There is a "President" who has surrounded himself with an army of invaders from the Interior Ministry (for those who do not know, except for the "new police", the main task of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is to protect the President in the event of a coup). There are oligarchs who attack each other through their channels and the same politicians in the Verkhovna Rada", - wrote Skoropadsky.

According to him, the coup will be performed by fighters and volunteers returning from the front and fighters of the Right sector, Azov and OUN.

"Somewhere, unknown to us, is a new Napoleon - Colonel, Colonel or General of a brigade, who at the right time will bring tanks to Khreschatyk during the popular uprising and will fire the cannons at the Interior Ministry, Parliament, politicians and the President," - said Skoropadskyi.

Note that the message of the RS speaker caused a storm of commentary. In particular, some accused him of promoting Russian ideologies, others supported him and suggested the acquisition of weapons.

As a reminder, the chief military Prosecutor of Ukraine, Anatolii Matios, called the Right Sector an illegal armed formation.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/02/speaker-of-right-sector-predicts.html
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda


Lasse

NOVUS ORDO HOMMARUM

Phantasticum

Natalie Jaresko on se amerikkalainen Ukrainasta tulleiden siirtolaisten jälkeläinen ja entinen pankkiiri, joka sai pikaisesti kahden vuoden välein uusittavan Ukrainan kansalaisuuden ja joka on epäilemättä hyvin menestyksellisesti hoitanut 200 dollarin kuukausipalkalla rahaministerin hommia. Onko hänelle nyt sitten luvassa ylennys Ukrainan pääministeriksi? Onnittelen jo etukäteen.

Ukrainan tilanne on surkea. Maa on joka tavalla huonommassa jamassa kuin mitä oli ennen vallankaappausta. Presidentti Petro Poroshenko on epätoivoinen. Kukaan ei enää edes muista koko Ukrainan olemassaoloa, kun EU:n ja Valkoisen talon kaikki huomio on nyt pakolaiskriisissä. Siksi Poroshenkon pitää antaa sellaisia lausuntoja, että Venäjä valmistelee täysimittaista sotaa. Eikä siltikään kukaan huomaa. Kyllä on ankeaa.

Ukraina hävisi tämän pelin. Mitä oli se apu, tuki ja turva, mitä amerikkalaiset Ukrainalle lupasivat ja mitä he ovat siitä saaneet? Kysyn vaan.

Nuivanlinna

Quote from: Phantasticum on 26.02.2016, 21:01:12
Ukraina hävisi tämän pelin. Mitä oli se apu, tuki ja turva, mitä amerikkalaiset Ukrainalle lupasivat ja mitä he ovat siitä saaneet? Kysyn vaan.

Pääsihän Poroshenko patsastelemaan muutamaan valokuvaan Merkelin, Hollanden ja Obaman kanssa. Kyllä se kansakunnan itsetuntoa nostaa kun voi todistetusti olla osana länsimaista arvoyhteisöä.
Quote from: millla on 04.03.2016, 23:01:53
Pahinta Suomessa on tämän köyhyyden lisäksi henkinen köyhyys. Meiltä puuttuu horisontti, mihin katsoa ja mitä tavoitella.

Jaska Pankkaaja

Quote from: xor_rox on 25.02.2016, 00:09:10
http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/2016021721132781_ul.shtml
Ensin jo luulin että sotilaallisen tuen  :o
Heti tuli mieleen että tuskin täällä on jonoksi saakka sankarivainajiksi haluavia kahden R "kansan" väliseen mittelöön nyt enää kun ne yhden käden laskettavissa olevat ovat jo uusnaz siis Kiovan puolella ja 2 kädellä laskettavat Donbassin kansanvaltaisen tasavalla joukoissa.

Mutta rahaahan se Jabba haluaa jakaa, kuin sossujoulupukit aikoinaan!

Hyväksyisin avun jos se suunnattaisiin suoraan kansalle mutta kun osoitteen tietää niin eipä kaikki gebardisuikat ole neekereitä  :facepalm:
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable. J.F Kennedy

Lasse

NOVUS ORDO HOMMARUM

kriittinen_ajattelija

#17063
Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duEDhk0Y_FM
Crimean Spring – Unseen footage – ENG SUBS

Krimin tataarit ei tykännyt, venäläisten pyrkimyksistä. Allah Akbhur ei kuitenkaan auttanut tällä kertaa...  :'(
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

Sivustakatsoja

Quote from: kriittinen_ajattelija on 27.02.2016, 13:23:40
Allah Akbhur ei kuitenkaan auttanut tällä kertaa...  :'(
Onko se joskus jossain auttanut?

xor_rox

Ukraine Collapse Is Now Immanent

QuoteTwo years have passed since Yanukovich was deposed and, as it turns out, another ruthless clan of oligarchs has taken power. No wonder then that Ukraine is heading for a new wave of violence and chaos. Oligarchs are fighting each other, the IMF is pulling out of the country, officials issue laws and regulations only to see them repealed within a day or two by others, and raided European companies are leaving the country after being robbed by the so-called pro-Brussels oligarchic elite.

It was evident from the beginning that the US and NATO-sponsored power transition was doomed to fail. Prime Minister Yatsenyuk made no secret on his personal website about his principal partners, NATO and Victor Pinchuk's foundation. Victor Pinchuk is a link between the Ukraine corrupt oligarchic establishment and the Western political elite. In 2005, the BBC depicted him as a paragon of Ukraine's kleptocracy:

Quote"Ukraine's largest steel mill has been bought by Mittal Steel for $4.8bn (£2.7bn) after an earlier sale was annulled amid corruption allegations.

    The Kryvorizhstal mill was originally sold to the son-in-law (Mr. Pinchuck) of former President Leonid Kuchma for $800m.

    It was one of the scandals that sparked the Orange Revolution and propelled President Viktor Yushchenko into power.")

Directly after the power transition, European leaders understood that the situation in the Ukraine was unmanageable, which we know from a confidential telephone conversation between Minister Paet (Minister of Foreign Affairs of Estonia) and Mrs. Ashton (High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy) that became public. Both politicians understood that the Maidan protesters had no trust in the politicians who formed the new coalition. Mr Paet said, "there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind snipers it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition." Their conversation makes it clear that both European politicians understood that, contrary to the official statements coming from Brussels, Europe has no solution for Ukraine's problems and no trust in its new leaders.

Petro Poroshenko, one of the oligarchs, became the fifth president. In line with his predecessors, he had amassed an astonishing personal wealth by mixing politics and business on behalf of the Ukraine population. He started his career under the notorious President Kuchma and served as a minister under deposed President Victor Yanukovich. One can hardly imagine a more troubled new president for a country that has to reform itself and get rid of corruption.

In 2014 Brian Bonner, the Kyivpost chief editor, wrote: "Allowing prosecution of Kuchma (concerning the murder of a journalist) is acid test for whether Poroshenko will put national interests above his own.". Asking Poroshenko to "kill" his close friend and crony, former President Kuchma and the father-in-law of the powerful Pinchuk is a dramatic plea by the chief editor aimed at forcing President Poroshenko to show whose side he takes. Poroshenko's answer came quickly: he rewarded Kuchma with a top position in the Minsk negation team.

Within months after the power transition, investigative journalist Tetiana Chornovol, who lead an anti-graft body, quit, calling her time in the government "useless" because there was no political will to conduct "a full-scale war" on corruption.

In the two years that followed rumour of ongoing corruption has not ceased. For Poroshenko and his fellow oligarchs, the biggest threat is not Putin and the separatists in the East, but the pro-Ukraine militia that only on paper were merged with the Ukraine army.

The militia regards the Western-backed oligarchs as the second biggest threat to the Ukrainian nation. We believe the oligarchs are the primary cause of the rot in Ukraine's government.

Meanwhile, the Brussels elite is trying to sell the Ukraine 2014 power grab and the resultant association treaty as a way to help Ukraine to overcome its political corruption.

The Dutch government wrote in its communique to its citizens: "This cooperation gives Ukraine a chance for a better future. The country wants to become a genuine democracy, without corruption and with a wealthy population. The European association treaty is the foundation for the national reforms."

Maybe this is the intention of many naive European politicians, it is not the intention of the Ukrainian elite who under Poroshenko consolidate their power. The Swiss-based company Swissport, a leading airport service company, and its French investors learned this the hard way.

In 2012 the UK-based logistic website the "theloadstar" wrote:

Quote"Swissport, the Swiss ground handler stands to lose some $8m in assets in the Ukraine while other foreign investors could shun Ukraine, following an attempt to forcibly strip the company of its majority stake in Swissport Ukraine.

    In a move alleged to be 'corporate raiding', an increasingly common phenomenon in the country, 30% shareholder of Swissport Ukraine, Ukraine International Airlines (UIA), has claimed that Swissport International (SPI) violated its minority rights – a "baseless" allegation, according to the handler. During interim court proceedings the judges were changed twice – at the very last minute – before the hearings."

During the reign of Yanukovich, Kolomoisky (Poroshenko ally) try to strip Swissport from it assets. It did so by forcing the company to sell its multi-million majority stake for 400.000 Euro, using the corrupt Ukraine administration and the justice system. We cannot blame the company that it believed its problem was solved in 2014. The Washington and Brussels elite presented the new Kiev government as a tool in the fight against inherited Ukrainian corruption. During 2014 Swissport seems to have fought a successful battle against injustice. But at the end of 2014, the highest judicial body in Ukraine ruled that the company had to sell its multi-million investment to Kolomoisky for 400.000 dollars. The company said that it never received the 400.000 Euro from Mr. Kolomysky.

Ihor Kolomoiskyi is the oligarch President Poroshenko installed as governor of Dnepropetrovsk. That Kolomoisky enjoyed the full protection of Poroshenko became apparent as he was not prosecuted after he had orchestrated an armed raid on UkrTransNafta Ukraine state-owned oil firm. To spare President Poroshenko the embarrassment, Kolomoyskyi offered his resignation.

Ihor Kolomoiskyi is the founder of the Brussels-based European Jewish Parliament that served to increase his influence in Brussels. A worrisome sign that Ukraine's political rot is spreading into the European Union.

Swissport raid and forceful eviction from Ukraine was an embarrassment for those who try to uphold the illusion Ukraine was in the process of becoming a genuine democracy free of corruption.

It could hardly be a surprise that a year after Kyivpost publication that Swissport had left Ukraine, Aivaras Abromavi?ius, Minister of Economics in Poroshenko's cabinet and one of Washington's principal allies in Kiev resigned.

After Abromavi?ius it was Deputy Prosecutor General that resigns due to unstoppable corruption. 15 February Deputy Prosecutor General Vitaliy Kasko wrote in his resignation letter:

Quote"...This desire is based on the fact that the current leadership of the prosecutor's office has once and for all turned it into a body where corruption dominates, and corrupt schemes are covered up. Any attempts to change this situation at the prosecutor's office are immediately and demonstratively persecuted.

    Lawlessness, not the law, rules here....."

A day later General Prosecutor Victor Shokin, who analysts say, is an ally of President Poroshenko, has to quit. Viktor Shokin agrees to step down after President Poroshenko asked him to leave office Western leaders and reform-minded Ukrainian officials have long been calling for Shokin's resignation.

At the same time, Ukraine headed for a standoff between its two most powerful politicians after Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk had defied President Petro Poroshenko's call for his resignation and defeated a no-confidence motion in parliament.

The current chaos in Kiev makes it for the IMF extremely hard to keep Ukraine funded. Brazil's IMF Director already in 2014 urged not to bend rules for Ukraine. Ukraine had failed the IMF twice before. There is now a sense of panic in Kiev, and so Ukraine leaders start to issue opposite orders. The Central Bank Governor's ban on money exchange was repealed immediately by Yatsenyuk.

The situation of the population deteriorates rapidly as Ukraine's currency devalues fast and bond yields spike. Companies start to understand that direct investment can disappear overnight as raided foreign companies are forced to leave the country. Protesters take over Hotels in Kyiv and return to Maidan to demand the resignation of the Ukraine rulers who came to power with the support of Washington and Brussels. Yatsenyuk now becomes a liability for its partner NATO.

It is a just matter of time before the Ukraine nationalistic militias will take power, resulting in a definite split of the country. Poroshenko can postpone the people final verdict by reviving the war in the east, but in the end, he can not escape the day of reconning.


kriittinen_ajattelija

QuoteSyrians will be settled in Ukraine, despite unhappy locals and the Donbass war

Yagotyn, a region of the city of Kiev has been chosen as the site for a "Refugee Temporary Accommodation Center."

The building which 250 Syrians will be moved into is currently being repaired. It was supposed to house victims of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster, but was never finished.

Local Ukrainians are upset that their area has been chosen to take the first immigrants.

Locals held a meeting and told authorities that they were worried Syrian immigrants would carry disease, increase anti-social behavior, and increase crime rates.

"I am tormented by one question: will our government give all displaced persons from [the ongoing Donbass war in Ukraine] free housing?" asked Xenya Yakushko, a local journalist.

"Why has government, instead of giving shelter to Ukrainians, begun suddenly bringing in 250 totally foreign people? Has the war ended?" [...] "and how much do we benefit from the Syrian refugees?"

Despite the Donbass war and the concerned citizens, the Ukraine government has decided to go along with the EU's "resettlement" agenda.
http://whitegenocideproject.com/syrians-will-be-settled-in-ukraine-people-are-unhappy/
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

yks vaan

"How much do we benefit from the refugees?"  Pieni ero suhtautumisen lähtökohdissa
Kuka syrjisi minua?

Jukka Wallin

Laitampa minäkin jotain tänne

Quote
Russia insider:

Euro-integration Devastated Ukraine Worse Than WWII


If you experience it every day, you quickly get used to it; you no longer overreact. Figures turn into statistics and then into history. This history has become so familiar that it no longer surprises anyone, hardly affecting most people. But two years have passed since Ukraine's Euromaidan. In retrospect you start to realize how low the country has fallen during this period.   

What is the 'European' present, now?

Territory and population

The Ukraine lost 47,000 sq. km. or 7.2% of its territory.

The population officially amounts to 42.7 million people, about 35-36 million without the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics and citizens who emigrated to Russia. Taking into account whose who left for Europe, we get 33-34 million people.

About 35.2 million people lived in the territory of the modern Ukraine in 1913. In 1944, after liberation, there were 33.5 million.

More than twenty years of looking for ways to join the West cost the country 7 million people and about 3-4 million 'temporary' emigrants. The past two years cost the country 3 more million people and an extra 7 million emigrants and 'separatists'. The country suffered such devastation only once, after the events of 1914-1920 and the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945.

Economy

Macroeconomic indicators of 2014-15 (excluding territories which Kiev today does not control):

    GDP: -16.49%;

    Industry: -22.15%;

    Agriculture: - 2.7%;

    Goods transported: -19.63%, of

    Passengers transported: -16.95%;

    Construction: -32.26%;

    Wholesale trade: - 25.37%

    Retail; -27.52%;

    Exports:  -38.84%

    Services: -34.34%;

Today's hole is worse than the one in 2008. During the first year of the world economic crisis, Ukraine's economy declined a little, but then it rebounded. Now, at a time of relative stability in the world economy, due to Maidan and the decisions taken by Ukraine's current government in favor of its people, it has declined again, and there may not be another rebound since the world is in recession again. 

Entire industries are destroyed, often on purpose. Metallurgy, a strategic industry of Ukraine, declined in 1995-1996: in 2015 a total of 22.9 million tons of steel were smelted, in 1995-1996 it was 22.3 million tons. Now, even a small drop will roll back this vital sector of Ukrainian industry of fro 1960, when the Ukraine was just straightening its industrial shoulders, as a star of the USSR, the one the Ukrainian nationalists fight hard for, for 25 years without success. The economy has virtually collapsed. 

Standard of living

Did the population begin to live better?

Maybe some people did. But this absolute minority of the Ukrainian population are the ones who made business out of the blood of their citizens. Most people have been living less well, and most has fallen into poverty.

Aside from those who lost everything due to the war.

The hryvna declined against the dollar from 7.993 hryvna as of January 1, 2014 to 24.00 at the beginning of 2016. Today a dollar is equal to 27.23 UAH.

The hryvna declined against the dropping ruble from 0.25 hryvna per ruble as of January 1, 2014 to 0.33 hryvna as of January 1, 2016; today one hryvna  is equal to 0.36 RUR.

But man shall not live by dollar alone. He draws a salary in hryvna and buys products in hryvna. What are the achievements of the pro-European government?

The average monthly wage per employee in 2013 was 3, 265 hryvnia. In 2014, it was 3, 480, in 2015, 4, 207. In two years, the average monthly wage increased by 28.85%. During the same period, the official price level increased by 78.98%. The population has officially become poorer by a third, but in fact – by much more.

The population became poorer twice as fast as the rate of GDP decline. This alone shows who the new Ukrainian 'people's' power works for. That is why over the past two years, the government's credibility has rapidly fallen...

Credibility

The citizens of the Ukraine do not trust the government. A poll conducted in December 2015 put the President's credibility at  25%. At the same time, only 4% supported him unconditionally. The rest supported him partially, apparently out of hopelessness since they trust no one.

The credibility to the Cabinet of Ministers and Parliament is much lower - about 10%. The personal rating of the Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk is 1%. There's not much room left for him to get to zero. But maybe he's already there, with sociologists having decided to factor in a small error.

One should keep in mind that former Ukrainian citizens do not take part in the polls, such as those living in areas not controlled by Kiev, who have extremely negative attitudes towards all the above mentioned. 

The day before the collapse of the Yanukovich government, his rating was almost one and a half times higher than Poroshenko's today. And it's twice as high taking into account the opinion of all former residents of Ukraine. Yet the West is in no hurry to provide support for the population of the Ukraine by overthrowing the anti-people's regime, as it did in 2013-2014. Apparently, the situation suits it, notwithstanding the opinions and the future of Ukraine's population.

EU. Currently, it does not make any sense to conduct polls about the Ukraine entering the EU. The question is not about the desire of Ukrainians to get out of the hell it was pushed into by the European Union itself. The point is that Europe does not want to consider the Ukraine part of it.

One could sum up  the relationship between the Ukraine and the EU: used, abused and refused.

NATO. Fewer Ukrainians want to join the alliance. Desire to hide under the North Atlantic umbrella peaked at the end of 2014 when, according to polls, 51% of Ukrainian citizens under the control of Kiev, voted 'for' NATO, 25% voted 'against' it. Naturally, this did not take into account the opinion of the residents of most of the Donbas and Crimea. By the end of 2015, only 46% of Ukrainians were 'for' joining NATO, with 31% against .

Actually, before the war, 10% of the population lived in the part of the Donbass that is not independent of Kiev. And another 1.5 million people have been forced to flee to Russia over the past two years. All of them have expressed their attitude both to NATO and the EU. But to do that they didn't need to speak to pollster: some expressed their opinions with weapons in their hands, others, using their feet.

It's not just about the citizens of the Ukraine, yet the US and Europe do not believe their stooges. For the third time, Western colonialists are trying to seize the Ukraine, but they always face the same problem. Those they choose as the best turn out to be thieves and scum - even murderers.   

Everybody in the West believes that the current leaders of the Ukraine are capable of building something sustainable, but not everybody works is helping. It's clear that without constant infusions from the IMF,  'pro-European' Ukraine will collapse and 'fall' under the tutelage of Moscow. In the West, everyone understands this and tries to do something. But a significant part of the Ukrainian government consists of citizens of the USA and the EU, but this doesn't work too well. They say that external financial flows should be placed under the control of the IMF and European institutions.

Ditmar Stuedemann, ex-Ambassador of Germany to the Ukraine:

    "The Ukraine is trying to become a modern democratic state for the third time, but so far all the money that came to Kiev from the Wes, disappeared into a black hole. The Marshall Plan for reformation and development of the country will only be worth-while if all the financial assistance that Kiev has received is controlled by the IMF and European institutions. If we leave it entirely in the hands of the Ukraine, it will never work, as experience shows. Over 25 years of its (Ukrainian) independence, we have observed an uncontrolled struggle for power, serving  private interests. If this repeats again, the current financial stabilization will never reach its goal".


After two years of independence, there is no credibility in Kiev. The United States and Europe consider the Ukraine as a colony under direct foreign control. They do not see any other way to develop Ukrainian independence, because any real independence of Ukraine's elites equals the destruction of the state. The end of the history that the West dedicated the last twenty-five years to building on the ruins of the Soviet Union, has been 'the Ukraine, not Russia'.

Unfortunately this is not the end of our history. Only two 'happy' years have passed,  becoming a frightful present for its people. Considering the determination of 'Eurointegrators', the experiment is likely to continue.

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