2013-10-10 EDL leader Tommy Robinson QUITS

[TheVanishedTerrorist]

Kannattaa lukea yleisönkin kommentit.

EDL leader Tommy Robinson QUITS and brands violent anti-Muslim supporters 'morons'

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/435209/EDL-leader-Tommy-Robinson-QUITS-and-brands-violent-anti-Muslim-supporters-morons

[LW]

Totta puhuen tuossa skenessä on kyllä paljon ihan oikeita ääliöitä, enkä kyllä näe, mitä hyvää satunnaisista tappeluista, ikkunoiden rikkomisesta tai törkeyksien huutelusta seuraisi. Joko asiat hoidetaan asiallisella ja väkivallattomalla tavalla, tai sitten pistetään kunnolla hulinaksi. Siinä välimaastossa huuli pyöreänä lilluvilla tontuilla ei tee yhtään mitään.

[TheVanishedTerrorist]

Totta puhuen tuossa skenessä on kyllä paljon ihan oikeita ääliöitä, enkä kyllä näe, mitä hyvää satunnaisista tappeluista, ikkunoiden rikkomisesta tai törkeyksien huutelusta seuraisi. Joko asiat hoidetaan asiallisella ja väkivallattomalla tavalla, tai sitten pistetään kunnolla hulinaksi. Siinä välimaastossa huuli pyöreänä lilluvilla tontuilla ei tee yhtään mitään.

Olen asiasta samaa mieltä. Suviksille vain turhia ammuksia niitä "kriittisiä" vastaan jotka yrittävät "takoa järkeä" heihin faktoilla.

[Goldstein]

Tässähän kävi EDL:lle mäki-ketelät.

Kerhoa sinänsä suuremmin tuntematta.

[K.K.]

Aiheesta suomeksi: Englantilainen äärioikeistojohtaja erosi: "Ääri-islamilaisuutta vastaan ei voi taistella väkivallalla, vaan demokratialla"

http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,88350.msg1448517.html#msg1448517

[TheVanishedTerrorist]

Aiheesta suomeksi: Englantilainen äärioikeistojohtaja erosi: "Ääri-islamilaisuutta vastaan ei voi taistella väkivallalla, vaan demokratialla"

http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,88350.msg1448517.html#msg1448517

Tässä BBCn ote asiaan...

A Point of View: Democracy and Islamic law
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23810527

[-HOUND-]

Toivottavasti kaatuu koko paska!
Näitä monikultuurisuutta ja homoseksuaalisuutta tukevia järjestöjä on minun mielestäni tarpeeksi jo muutenkin ilman tätäkin valeopposiotiota.

http://www.patriootti.com/takaisku-defence-leaguelle-johtohahmot-erosivat/

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

Ehkä Tommy väsyi siihen että hän joutuu olemaan jatkuvassa turvallisuusvalvonnassa ettei joku tärähtänyt muslimi hyökkäisi hänen kimppuun + suurin osa EDL jäsenistä on kuitenkin jalkapallohuligaaneja/skinejä jotka vaivoin osaa kartalta osoittaa missä Englanti on, tuskin mitenkään moraalisesti ylivertaisia esim. muslimeihin nähden muutenkaan.

Jatkuukohan EDL toiminta kuitenkin, onhan se hienon näköistä kun lauma miehiä menee karjumaan kaduille multikyldyyriä vastaan.

[Dim Archer]

Poliisi käski.

[Pieni Maailma]

Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll Leave the EDL

The two top leaders of the English Defence League have left the organization to join the Quilliam Foundation, a mainstream NGO that fights "extremism" in all its forms. Among other actions, Quilliam takes great pains to prevent the stigmatization of Muslims by "Islamophobes".

Kaksi EDL:n johtohahmoa ovat eronneet järjestöstä liittyäkseen äärijärjestöjä vastustavaan säätiöön.
BBC:n haastattelussa Tommy Robinson kertoo päätöksensä taustoista:

English Defence League leader and founder Tommy Robinson has left the group, saying he has concerns over the "dangers of far-right extremism".

The EDL organises protests across the UK against "radical Islam".

Mr Robinson said it was still his aim to "counter Islamist ideology", although "not with violence but with better, democratic ideas".
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Mr Robinson said: "I have been considering this move for a long time because I recognise that, though street demonstrations have brought us to this point, they are no longer productive.

"I acknowledge the dangers of far-right extremism and the ongoing need to counter Islamist ideology not with violence but with better, democratic ideas."

Linkin takaa sivustolla spekuloidaan että brittihallitus on viimeinkin saanut painostuksellaan liikkeen johdon vaihtamaan puolta.
Between a Rock and a Hard Place

Tommy said it broke his heart to leave the EDL. He wanted his longtime supporters to know that he is aware they are demoralized and angry. He apologized for leaving them in the lurch. It was not something he wanted to do, but something he knew he had to do.

Kevin agreed with Tommy's views concerning the EDL, and realized that they had come to a crossroads together. He felt that they should make a joint decision about which way to turn.

The two men entered into their new association with the Quilliam Foundation of their own free will, with their eyes open. Tommy said:

    "Give me six months. If you're not satisfied with what you see, you can crucify me then."

In the meantime, Quilliam is giving Tommy and Kevin intensive training in Islam, so that they will truly understand Islamic principles and teachings.*
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The rest of this post is pure speculation on my part. All I know for certain is what I reported above.

I still believe that pressure was brought to bear on Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll. Why else would they make such a drastic move so suddenly, without any advance warning to their closest supporters? We've seen over and over again that the government and the media are willing to pull out all the stops in their attempt to demonize and intimidate Tommy and Kev. The pressure on the two must have become simply unbearable.

*Lihavointi oma lisäykseni

Pamela Geller selventää tapauksen taustoja ja kirjeenvaihtoaan Tommy Robinsonin kanssa.
Tommy Robinson: Breaking bad

Then, the night before he made his announcement, Tommy tried to contact me numerous times on Skype and by phone while I was busy with other matters. It was clear that it was urgent. Finally, we spoke on the phone, and it was on that phone call that he told me that he would be resigning from the EDL the next day, and that the Quilliam Foundation was going to be at the press conference -- but he made that a minor point. I had no idea that it was a Quilliam press conference, and certainly had no idea that Tommy and Kevin Carroll would be led around like dogs 0n a leash. It was after that phone call, and before I had any idea that Tommy would be closely allying with false moderate Muslim deceivers who would crow about "decapitating the EDL," that Robert Spencer and I composed our first statement, supporting Tommy and his decision. We never would have come out in support of him if we had known that he would soon be parroting politically correct nonsense about "extremists on both sides."

Kyseinen Quilliam Foundation onkin mielenkiintoinen porukka. Lihavoinnit lisätty. Lainaus myös äskeiseltä sivulta:

Robert Spencer and I explained why Robinson's association with Quilliam was so deeply troubling in our second statement: Quilliam "came out in favor of the "Palestinian" jihad against Israel and the ending of Israeli defensive operations. Also, when the Quilliam Foundation began, its founder Ed Husain attacked Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq and Robert Spencer -- would a real opponent of jihad and Islamic supremacism do that? I don't think so. Spencer noted then that Husain 'wrote disingenuously about Islamic teaching on apostasy and other matters, and ignored the deep scriptural, theological and legal foundations of Islamic violence and supremacism. Hardly a promising performance for a genuine reformer.'"

Quilliam is even worse than that. It published a document in June 2013, two months after an Islamic jihadist beheaded Lee Rigby on a London street. Instead of calling for reform of the jihad doctrine that led to Rigby's murder, it only discusses "extremism" in general. The only group mentioned in it is not Anjem Choudary's Muslim group, of which the murderer Mujahid Adebolajo was a member, but the EDL. It is clear even from this that Quilliam considers the EDL, not jihad groups, its chief enemy. der, but, you'll notice the report is about 'extremism' in general and the only people/group mentioned by name are the EDL. And in this document, Quilliam tries to mislead people into believing that political Islam arose in the 19th century, and is not a constant and intrinsic part of Islam. (Ever heard of the caliphate?)

Artikkelin kirjoittajan päätelmät tapahtuneesta.
Vuosien systemaattinen painostus on tehnyt tehtävänsä ja EDL:n johto on loikannut vastapuolelle.

It has become painfully obvious that the enemies of freedom have broken Tommy Robinson. The British authorities' harassment, the systematic persecution, the jailings, the solitary confinement, the threatening of his life, the threats to his family, his having to move several times, his children having to change schools, the constant false charges -- he finally cracked. They broke him. He made a deal with the devil. He didn't want to go back to jail, and this looks like his bid to stay out.
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It is clear what is happening. Now he is the poster boy for the stealth jihad. It seems they have taught Tommy well. His deception to friends and colleagues mirrors the Islamic teachings of kitman (lie by omission) and taqiyya. So Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll are no longer on the SION board. As for the EDL, I hope they have strong enough leadership to purge the ugly elements and emerge as a stronger and more effective counter-jihad force.