2009-04-20 Dagbladet: "Älkää sanoko enää että monikulttuurisuus on positiivista"

[Pohjolan puolesta]

Amanuenssi, erityispedakogi, Ivar Morken Oslon Yliopistosta:
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2008/01/13/523695.html

Ongelma on että eliitin ihmiset, jotka eivät asu maahanmuuttajien alueella tulevat kertomaa "antirasistisia" ajatuksiaan maahanmuuttavoittoisille alueille.

Kuulostaako tutulta?

Tekstissä viitatut norjalais-pakistanalaiset ovat enemmistöltään tiukka islamilainen klaaniyhteisö jotka ovat olleet "monessa" mukana.

[Ministeri]

   - The problem is when anti-racists from the west edge comes and tells us what we should appreciate, "says special educator Ivar Morken.

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Furuset (Dagbladet.no): - Parts of the population has learned to not speak up about what they believe. They feel that there is added a clammy hand over this issue. But when large parts of the population can not say what they feel will be able to turn back as a racist recoil, "says førsteamunensis the University

SUKSESSKOLE WITH 38 LANGUAGES: Principal Karin Eger at Old Town School's welcome greets students each morning. See video from immigrant school that makes it better than the national average.
Video:



Warns getto: - We can not have it so that immigrants are on immigrant schools, live in immigrant neighborhoods and work in immigrant jobs. There is no ideal solution, "says the head of the Resource Center for Pakistani children, Aslam Ahsan, to Dagbladet.no
Photo: HENRIK BJØRNSSON

A SHARED BY: Labor's Khalid Mahmood says Oslo is going to remain ethnically divided for the foreseeable future.
Photo: Sveinung UDDU YSTAD

SHOULD LEARN ABOUT PAKISTAN: - Today's teaching comes at the expense of minority children's cultural capital. When so much considering the children according to Norwegian language and Norwegian expertise gives it the Norwegian-speaking children an advantage, "said Athar Ali to Dagbladet.no.
Foto: Scanpix
FACTS
The debate has restlessly on Dagbladet.no after Aslam Ahsan said he would busse Innvandrerbarn to the west edge. This was an overview Education announced Tuesday that show that of 48 primary schools this school year, over 50 percent of students with another native language than Norwegian.

Here you can see a minority share in the Oslo schools (link at the bottom).

After the article was published on Dagbladet.no have so far entered the 3000 debates. One of those who responded most in Ahsans proposal, was the Progress Party's Christian Tybring-Gjedde. He believes that immigrants are your own responsibility to do something with getto Fiser not in Oslo.

Read also: "- No human to live in Oslo»

The head of the Norwegian immigrant forum, Athar Ali, responded in Ahsans suggestions. He believes it will not be a problem if more of the Oslo schools had a ratio of 100 percent minority children. He believes the problem is that schools favor typical "American" knowledge.

Read also: "- Norwegian children need to learn more about Pakistan"

I go threw also Labor's Khalid Mahmood into the debate. He believes that Oslo is going to remain ethnically divided for the foreseeable future.

- In the future will also Oslo's schools be geographically and demographically divided between east and west. It is the reality, and believe that we can do something about it is the same as faith in julenissen, he said to Dagbladet.no.

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Politicians fail Oslo schools, writes Kjell Johansen in a reader comment.

Les Gros also read comments about how it is to be a teacher in a school with 50 percent immigrants.

Will Tybring-Gjedde set the same requirement to the class, writing Kirsti bergstøbarn, leader of the Socialist Youth.


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in Oslo, Ivar Morken, to Dagbladet.no.

SUKSESSKOLE WITH 38 LANGUAGES: Principal Karin Eger at Old Town School's welcome greets students each morning. See video from immigrant school that makes it better than the national average.
Video:



Warns getto: - We can not have it so that immigrants are on immigrant schools, live in immigrant neighborhoods and work in immigrant jobs. There is no ideal solution, "says the head of the Resource Center for Pakistani children, Aslam Ahsan, to Dagbladet.no
Photo: HENRIK BJØRNSSON

A SHARED BY: Labor's Khalid Mahmood says Oslo is going to remain ethnically divided for the foreseeable future.
Photo: Sveinung UDDU YSTAD

SHOULD LEARN ABOUT PAKISTAN: - Today's teaching comes at the expense of minority children's cultural capital. When so much considering the children according to Norwegian language and Norwegian expertise gives it the Norwegian-speaking children an advantage, "said Athar Ali to Dagbladet.no.
Foto: Scanpix
FACTS
The debate has restlessly on Dagbladet.no after Aslam Ahsan said he would busse Innvandrerbarn to the west edge. This was an overview Education announced Tuesday that show that of 48 primary schools this school year, over 50 percent of students with another native language than Norwegian.

Here you can see a minority share in the Oslo schools (link at the bottom).

After the article was published on Dagbladet.no have so far entered the 3000 debates. One of those who responded most in Ahsans proposal, was the Progress Party's Christian Tybring-Gjedde. He believes that immigrants are your own responsibility to do something with getto Fiser not in Oslo.

Read also: "- No human to live in Oslo»

The head of the Norwegian immigrant forum, Athar Ali, responded in Ahsans suggestions. He believes it will not be a problem if more of the Oslo schools had a ratio of 100 percent minority children. He believes the problem is that schools favor typical "American" knowledge.

Read also: "- Norwegian children need to learn more about Pakistan"

I go threw also Labor's Khalid Mahmood into the debate. He believes that Oslo is going to remain ethnically divided for the foreseeable future.

- In the future will also Oslo's schools be geographically and demographically divided between east and west. It is the reality, and believe that we can do something about it is the same as faith in julenissen, he said to Dagbladet.no.

Want to help with reading the comments?
Enter your comments here. You can attack the problem as you will, but remember that writing for the Internet allows for linking and interactive references.

Politicians fail Oslo schools, writes Kjell Johansen in a reader comment.

Les Gros also read comments about how it is to be a teacher in a school with 50 percent immigrants.

Will Tybring-Gjedde set the same requirement to the class, writing Kirsti bergstøbarn, leader of the Socialist Youth.


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He works for the Department of Special Education on issues around migration and schools.

- Listen to people
In the years around 1900 were the only immigrant in the small village Furuset seven Swedish families. Today, 39 percent of the population immigrant background.

Although Morken has lived on Furuset in a årekke. He believes that we should listen more to people's experiences in everyday life and integration in multicultural environments.

- One typical situation is that a neighbor complaints over what makes an immigrant in a tenant. Then perhaps an anthropologist come to say that not all immigrants behave like that - that one must look at the majority and do not generalize. This is as provocative as to say to a person who is dissatisfied with medical treatment at Norwegian hospitals are the best in the world. The public is klekker matter when we are faced with specific challenges, "said Morken.

- Under You know our experience
Researchers think it is a major problem that many who speak out do not have experience with the issues themselves.

- The problem is when anti-racists who live on the west edge, and who live far from these communities, will come to tell us what we should appreciate. Suddenly is not our experience is worth something, "said Morken.

He wants to get away from talking about immigration in an abstract global level.

- We should rather deal with the case, "said Morken.

- Stop saying that immigration is a resource
The debate has restlessly on Dagbladet.no after Aslam Ahsan said he would busse Innvandrerbarn to the west edge. This was an overview Education announced Tuesday that show that of 48 primary schools this school year, has over 50 percent of students with another native language than Norwegian.

Here you can see a minority share in the Oslo schools (link at the bottom).

- You should stop talking about that immigration is a resource and that it is positivit with multi-cultural society. On the way under not know what the problem is about, "said Morken. He often says that there are other factors than the proportion of minority children who play in the school success or not.

- Tier important
- Often, class background, caste and gender dimension more important in explaining why parents often want to pull the children from some schools, "said Morken. He also notes that some Norwegian Pakistani parents pull out children from schools.

Read also: "Nine Norwegian-Pakistanis tell of their caste"

- They owe often the same as the ethnic Norwegian, that there are too many immigrants, that students do not learn proper English, but I think it also can act on completely different things, as some schools have a bunch of stressful environment, "said Morken.

He believes most residents in Groruddalen agree that they live in a multicultural society, and that this is something they relate to the relatively relaxed, but that does not mean everything is plain sailing.

- Therefore, it is more important that people's experiences are taken seriously and that we do not have flosklene. It's not that we do not want a multicultural society - it's just that we have a number of specific issues that people often want to solve, "said Morken.


 

[Pohjolan puolesta]

Käännöskone todennäköisesti laittoi kolumnit väärään järjestykseen ja siksi vaikutti aika hassulta.
Tuossa on se mitä olisi pitänyt olla ensimmäisenä:


Furuset (Dagbladet.no): - Parts of the population has learned to not speak up about what they believe. They feel that there is added a clammy hand over this issue. But when large parts of the population can not say what they feel will be able to turn back as a racist recoil, "says førsteamunensis the University

He works for the Department of Special Education on issues around migration and schools.

- Listen to people
In the years around 1900 were the only immigrant in the small village Furuset seven Swedish families. Today, 39 percent of the population immigrant background.

Although Morken has lived on Furuset in a årekke. He believes that we should listen more to people's experiences in everyday life and integration in multicultural environments.

- One typical situation is that a neighbor complaints over what makes an immigrant in a tenant. Then perhaps an anthropologist come to say that not all immigrants behave like that - that one must look at the majority and do not generalize. This is as provocative as to say to a person who is dissatisfied with medical treatment at Norwegian hospitals are the best in the world. The public is klekker matter when we are faced with specific challenges, "said Morken.

- Under You know our experience
Researchers think it is a major problem that many who speak out do not have experience with the issues themselves.

- The problem is when anti-racists who live on the west edge, and who live far from these communities, will come to tell us what we should appreciate. Suddenly is not our experience is worth something, "said Morken.

He wants to get away from talking about immigration in an abstract global level.

- We should rather deal with the case, "said Morken.

- Stop saying that immigration is a resource
The debate has restlessly on Dagbladet.no after Aslam Ahsan said he would busse Innvandrerbarn to the west edge. This was an overview Education announced Tuesday that show that of 48 primary schools this school year, has over 50 percent of students with another native language than Norwegian.

Here you can see a minority share in the Oslo schools (link at the bottom).

- You should stop talking about that immigration is a resource and that it is positivit with multi-cultural society. On the way under not know what the problem is about, "said Morken. He often says that there are other factors than the proportion of minority children who play in the school success or not.

- Tier important
- Often, class background, caste and gender dimension more important in explaining why parents often want to pull the children from some schools, "said Morken. He also notes that some Norwegian Pakistani parents pull out children from schools.

Read also: "Nine Norwegian-Pakistanis tell of their caste"

- They owe often the same as the ethnic Norwegian, that there are too many immigrants, that students do not learn proper English, but I think it also can act on completely different things, as some schools have a bunch of stressful environment, "said Morken.

He believes most residents in Groruddalen agree that they live in a multicultural society, and that this is something they relate to the relatively relaxed, but that does not mean everything is plain sailing.

- Therefore, it is more important that people's experiences are taken seriously and that we do not have flosklene. It's not that we do not want a multicultural society - it's just that we have a number of specific issues that people often want to solve, "said Morken.

[rähmis]

"Norjalaiset ovat rauhaarakastavia, rehellisiä, eivätkä tee rikoksia. He olisivat maailman parhaita muslimeja elleivät söisi sikaa, joisi viinaa ja harrastaisi esiaviollista seksiä."

Dagbladet

Viisaita sanoja Ghufoor Buttilta, Norjaan vuonna 1974 saapuneelta maahanmuuttajalta. Ghufoor edustaa uutta riippumatonta työväenpuoluetta, joka ajaa bensan hinnan laskua, perheenyhdistämisen helpottamista ja homoilukieltoa. Itse asiassa puoluetta ei ole vielä perustettu, vaan se tapahtuu viikon päästä, kun Ghufoor matkustaa kotipuoleen Pakistaniin, missä virallinen lanseeraus tapahtuu sikäläisillä tv-kanavilla. 

Kuinka oikessa Thomas Hylland-Eriksen onkaan sanoessaan maahanmuuton vahvistavan norjalaista kulttuuria.