Yhteisön hyödyistä

[Valkea]

Kommentoin amerikkalaisella palstalla seuraavasti:

In human populations, ethnicly/ racially homogenous nations are resistant to invasive groups as long as they keep them out of their territory. Once the invasive groups are inside the territory, natives of homogenous nations are often rather weak competitors. If a nation is comprised of large number of human groups and their niches, as a whole they are not resistant to invasive groups, but as groups and local niches they are or can be extremely resistant (in every way) to invasive groups. However, this ability to resist can only be realized if people have organized themselves to communities. Communities are uniquely positioned in human organization spectrum. If we observe it from rather loose individuals to nations and international organization, communities are in the middle. Loose individuals are of course individuals and as such not resistant to invasive groups. In nations and international organizing, people are atomized and individualized so as to increase the power of nation etc. over individuals and to ensure that almost all cooperation and organization of people is arranged and led by national and international organizations or structures harmonized with them. Communities are the only form of human organization where there are or can be strong cooperation, loyalty, ingroup altruism, reliability, bonds etc. between people, and not dependent on an impersonal and distant superstructure and it's continued existence, benevolence, punishments, incentives, evolutionary rationality etc. In communities people know each other (people have the ability know about 150 people thoroughly; their abilities, personalities, reliability, histories [e.g. reciprocity and possible transgression of community rules histories] etc.) and have practical everyday relationships instead of abstract and impersonal national ideologies of togetherness. My point is not that these national ideologies are altogether useless, harmful or based on nothing, but that they have serious weaknesses that only communities can fix. In human history communities have shown almost superhuman survival ability in the most difficult conditions and the longest timescales. No other human organization can match that by a very wide margins. Usa and other Western nations are seriously invaded by foreign groups, so communities are the most rational form of organization to complement the weak nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species

Central government is too distant from people and uncaring about them to make accurate and good judgements concerning them (e.g. alcohol consumption). Individuals are too selfish, short-sighted, disoriented, whimsical, dependent on their urges, etc. to make proper decisions about themselves. Only communities are close to people, know and care enough about them as a people, have wider, sustaining and long-oriented oriented view to make good judgements about people. Communities don't do automatically good judgements, but they have that ability.

What is the position of whites when they are a minoririty?

Storm is coming. One way or another.

If we remove the dark gloom from the equations for a moment, a profound change will happen because of various competitive pressures. As individuals we are ill-adapted to them; we lose.

We increasingly face the following from competitive community networks in different variations:

* Community networks can pool their resources when buying
businesses, housing, offices, various assets etc.

* Community networks have their own businesses and basic production. Even in the worst situations they produce their own food, energy, housing, schools, and give medical services and services for elderly. They are (almost) independent from outsiders. They can apply to jobs outside the communities, but it is a free choice, not a compulsion.

This gives the members security, thus they can take greater and more profitable calculated risks in businesses, investment, inventing, experimenting, intellectual endeavors etc.

This gives advantages in competition.

* Community members are determined and will cooperate in unison in times of adversity. They can protect themselves in case of social breakdown. They can establish secure, nice and family friendly areas inside hellish environments if necessary.

* Community members can compete in areas where individuals and one dimensional money competitors can't:

a) Spouse competition and endogamy. When community networks limit by rules who can marry their sons and daughters, they uphold the (ethnic, organizational, economical etc.) continuity and integrity of the communities, but they also make money competitors poorer. Money is in our societies one of the most important factors in spouse competition, but when
billionaire can't get a woman from community to marry him (even if the billionaire is passionately in love with her), his choices are limited and his money loses value and power.

b) Competition in morality. Do you fear that your children will get into mischief, use drugs, imbibe alcohol, study lazily or espouse liberal immorality. In communities the social influences and pressures, and the use of thorough knowledge of member personality traits, abilities etc. will make the said problems close to non-existent. When there is no excessive liberal consumption, money in savings, investments and production increases.

c) Children. Community networks can provide easily the secure living for larger families and create more family friendly environments than the liberal society. Advanced and creative schooling to children, which scoop among
other things from the rich Western tradition.

d) Evolutionary competition. The community networks can be arranged in such a way that an average trait or ability will increase or decrease in the communities, as wanted. IQ, ethnic instinct, strength of social bonds, industriousness, determination, etc. When there are activities connected to the traits and abilities and/or if negative traits are observed, small percentage of persons in each generation can be encouraged to leave the
communities, and the average of X, Y etc. increases or decreases. Those who leave the communities are in the same situation than "normal" young people.

Etc.

Community networks can create many things that money can't buy.

* Community networks can utilize open source design, consulting and inventions; 3D factory like manufacturing of metal, wood, plastic, book, machine, electronic etc. products; leveraged selling and buying in internet;
(positive) stigmergic influencing; etc. See Gobal Guerrillas -site for more.

* Community network members can collect large amount of useful information from different parts of society and share it as necessary. Eyes everywhere.

* Communities can utilize methods that make them almost
non-governable to hostile outsiders, e.g to anti-white government. Modern government uses scientific knowledge as one of it's steering media. Community members can lie and make omissions systematically to scientific researches or refuse answering. Community members can study which communities are the most resistant to negative influence from government and why, and then use that more widely. Community networks can experiment with different methods in various communities and observe which methods are the most efficient. Etc. The collective coherent political,
economic, cultural etc. influence work up the environment further towards propitiousness.

Etc.

Little additions:

Barter trade can be used to supplement the money trade of
communities, reducing further the dependency on money economy and offering many underutilized and new opportunities (not an endorsement to the Majority Rights -site):

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/..._currency_base
d_on_four_stages_of_electronic_barter/

Far-east countries accelerate our decline (third and final part of the article published soon):

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/..._coming_world_
war_on_prosperity/

Re: Van Wijk and Troost.

Troost obviously has trouble classifying me, so I help a little. As long as I have participated in political influecing, I have opposed Greens. The core of the Greens is composed of pampered urban bureaucratic leaning
professionals, who like to hide (often from themselves too; self-deception)their stone cold expansive bureaucratic and global power interests under soft and fuzzy images and mental pictures. They may cry for e.g. cows (i.e. their self-created image of cows), but they have never been in cowhouse. I oppose their most important underlying goals because they are destructive
to our people. Where there is some superficial similarities, the logic is completely different or opposite. In a community first question when assessing different things is "Is it good for the community and community members?". When all factors are evaluated, this may lead to e.g. adoption of wind, water, left over wood chip and biogas power because:

- These machines are relatively easy to design and manufacture with the help of open source designs, normal metal processing tools (used are cheap), cheap
materials etc.

- The energy production and maintenance are cheap and easy; the systems are simple and reliable, wind and flowing water don't cost anything, left over biomass and woodchip can be acquired dirt cheap or without a
cost (often those who produce these latter are thankful if someone helps them to get rid of waste).

- All the work is done by community members and all the benefits stay in the community. This increases indepence from outside realities and enhances the alternatives and possibilities of community members.

- There is no need to pay for energy corporations profits, infrastructure, transfer of electricity etc.

- These methods don't support globalization and bureaucratization connected with it, expansive muslim dictatorships, or other foul entities.

- All these processes teach valuable skills to community members and expands their knowledge. These can be used profitably in other endeavours.

- This kind of energy production often produces considerable surplus energy, so it can be profitably sold to the surrounding community.

Etc.

Community produces idyllic conditions and this is a goal, but it is comparable to blindness to claim that this is the only thing. If you read and understood what I wrote, you misrepresented it purposefully.

P.s. My cousin completed building a biogas reactor recently. Goodbye energy bills and welcome profit. The biomass doesn't cost anything, he sells the surplus energy/ gas and he uses the left over from production as a
nutritious, disease and weed free fertilizer.

*****

Van Wijk, good to see you understand what I am saying. Some additional

comments:

- Whatever you do with these ideas, remember that you don't need democratic approval or majorities. What, say, 90% of population thinks is irrelevant. You don't have to please them, seek their acceptance or understanding, or waste your time in endless debates converting them.
Concentrate on those who show at least some understanding.

- Secession is a good goal, especially if our societies develop in their current tracks. But it's time is later, at the beginning other things are on the center stage. Remember it always, though.

- John Robb (Global Guerillas) is highly recommended by me when it comes to technology; unfortunately when it comes to communities´ human and social side, he is ignorant. If he would construct a community, it would dissolve in a New
York minute.

- Start from small things. Become acquinted with people who have similar views. Get to know their personality traits, reliability, abilities etc. After you have sufficient knowledge and stable friendships, you can start to map the possibilities to economic and other cooperation.

- Learn more about communities (both about theory and real communities,Hutterites, Chaldeans Jews etc.), social psychology, personality traits, practical skills etc.

A couple of additions to communities:

- Of course, community members can't become unemployed.
Unemployment in modern societies is an artificial construct. In all cases where community members become unemployed, they can work in the community. Even in the worst societal breakdowns they produce everything
they need and sell the surplus to outsiders. Food, energy, tool and ware manufacture, and housing are the ultimate and always secured position. This means that important part of children and adult education is to teach fall back skills in addition to main work skills.

- There can be large differentiation in work, because small number of people can produce to many. E.g. One farming family can easily produce almost all food (excluding some rare specialities) to themselves and 300 community members.

- Neighborly help in communities makes large projects fast. For, say to 300 coordinated men, it doesn't take long to build e.g. many good single family houses.

- Community networks can use economies of scale when buying from outsiders. Haggling will drop the prices of almost everything. Counties and companies will fight to offer them good contracts and conditions.

- Community production eliminates most of the expensive middle men and their costs and profits from prices; wholesale, retail, transportation, processing, storage etc. Thus food, energy, wares etc. are cheap (and
fresh).

- All the advantages of community networks combined means that they can always buy above their means, e.g. better, better positioned and more beautiful land areas for their houses, and still be considerably richer than
comparable outside families.

[Simo Hankaniemi]

Kiinnostavia ajatuksia ja enimmäkseen tosia. Toisaalta yhteisöissä on myös ongelmia; sisäisiä ristiriitoja, keskinäistä kilpailua ja kateutta, itsekkyyttä ja ilkeyttä jne. Yhteisöelämä harvoin toimii täysin tyydyttävästi edes yhden perheen tasolla, isommasta joukosta puhumattakaan. Riskinä on aina, että pinnalle nousee jokin perverssi kalifi, joka alistaa muut tyranniansa alle.       

[Valkea]

Simo Hankaniemi, se mitä kuvailet on tietysti epätoivottavaa ja sellaisiakin yhteisöjä löytyy marxilaisista ääri- tai höperöuskonnollisiin kultteihin saakka (Itse olen kristitty). Suurelta osin syynä ongelmiin ovat perustajien luonteenpiirteet, heidän vääristyneet ja/tai suuruudenhullut tavoitteensa ja/tai heidän kyvyttömyytensä. Hyvä puoli tässä on se, että yhteisön toiminta ja organisointi sekä jäsenien valinta voidaan suunnitella siten, että (vakavia) ongelmia ei pääse syntymään. Ongelmat sinänsä ovat tietysti luonnollinen ja väistämätön osa kaikkea ihmiselämää. Ehkä tärkein tietous tulee niiltä yhteisöiltä, jotka ovat pystyneet jatkamaan toimintaansa ja olemassaoloaan vähintään satoja vuosia, koska ne ovat joutuneet ratkaisemaan kaikenlaiset ihmisten välisen kanssakäymisen ongelmat. Huonot yhteisöt ovat näet lähes aina lyhytikäisiä yhteisöjen aikamittakaavassa. Siten esim. johtajien vallan määrää yhteisöissä rajoitetaan demokraattisin menetelmin; psykologisin keinoin; muiden jäsenten yhteistoiminnalla, joka toimii johtajien vallan vastapainona; säännöllisin velvoittein johtajille, joiden noudattamisen laiminlyöminen on sanktioitu; jakamalla ylin valta monille henkilöille; jne. Jäsenten välisiä riitoja ratkotaan esim. estämällä riidan osapuolten kanssakäyminen määräajaksi; sovittelulla johtoryhmän tai koko yhteisön läsnäollessa; rajoitetuilla tapaamisilla joko rauhoittavassa tilanteessa tai tärkeässä tehtävässä, jonka onnistuminen vaatii riidan osapuolten yhteistyötä; pahimmissa tapauksissa voidaan harkita rangaistuksia, esim. erottaminen yhteisöstä määräajaksi tai pysyvästi; jne.

Kirjoitan näistä varmasti tulevaisuudessa lisää.

[mmm]

Paljon hyviä pointteja, mutta enimmäkseen toisen alueen/ valtion miehittämistä  silmälläpitäen kirjoitettu.

[Valkea]

mmm, kommenteissa tietysti viitataan Usan tilanteeseen, mutta yhteisöjen kilpailuedut ovat universaaleja, olipa tilanne tai maa mikä tahansa. Huonompaan suuntaan mekin olemme menossa. Russia Today ohjelman mukaan Euroopan ennätysvauhtia (maahanmuutto, Halla-ahon haastattelu).

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mmm, kommenteissa tietysti viitataan Usan tilanteeseen, mutta yhteisöjen kilpailuedut ovat universaaleja]

Mihin asia alunperin liittyy? Linkki foorumille ois kiva.

[Valkea]

Tässä on kyseinen ketju:

http://mangans.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-are-odds-on-social-breakdown.html#comments

[Valkea]

Jatkoin hiukan keskustelua:

Although there are numerous things connected to communities, there is a necessity, that is central to the proper functioning and longevity of the community; free rider problem and it's solutions. This is the price community network members have to pay for the advantages.

The problem can be described as follows:

All want the utility of common good, but none wants to maintain, repair and uphold it.

One in ten is lazy, others are diligent. One of the diligent asks from himself: "Why I work hard, when that lazy person gets the same common advantages than me. From now on I am lazy too." After a chain reaction they are all lazy.

This of course kills the community. Free riders must be prevented from joining and made to leave, if they have managed to join.

I go forward in steps.

The communities use personal surveillance, i.e. each community member watches the others. Although this is used to certain extent, it has problems. Surveillance doesn't reach every place and if it does, the system is smothering, preventing good human relations, productivity (it requires some quantity of freedom), excludes loyalty and trust, etc.

Punishments. Although these, e.g. expelling from the community, are used, if the cooperation is based only on them, it lacks genuine bonds, trust, loyalty, reciprocity etc. Those who can avoid the gaze before punishment, can free ride. If and when punishment subsides, even intermittently, free riding rises.

Monetarization of every activity, like in corporations. Ledgers and profits tells if community members are doing what they should. Productive freedom is large, when it is not asked how the profit was gained as long as it is gained sufficiently. The problem is that now human relations are based on money transactions. Cooperation is weak and will discontinue when there are slightest problems, or if even one dollar more can be gained from somewhere else, e.g. from cheap immigrant labor. Many things in human cooperation and relations can't be quantized. If monetization would be used exclusively, all the community advantages would be lost, and establishing corporation would be the right choice. So, this is used too, but it is a secondary method.

What is the necessary consummating method?

Repellants. Human community history shows that these are crucial.

All kinds of free riders, whether they are obvious weak she-males, whose life's purpose is to find the easy way out, or deceptively tough and manly looking or anything between, must be made to recoil in horror by the mere thought of them, let alone if they experience or do them. Repellants can be thought as a security system that protects the valuable community advantages from free riders.

Communities in human history have used among others the following repellants, which have also other positive effects. I let the reader to think creatively what would be suitable methods (they are always combinations) in modern community:

* Initiation rites. They can be dangerous, exhausting, derogatory and/or time and resource consuming, etc. In addition to repelling and selecting out the free riders this method increases the commitment, satisfaction and determination of those who pass the test (Continuity and commitment principle in psychology, this is connected to the most of them).

These might be repeated now and then.

Initiation rites can be compared to e.g. U.S Navy Seals´ hell week as a part of their training.

Strange and possibly time consuming rituals. Those who do them, justify it in their minds by changing their identity to more committed to the community.

Sacrifices. Something that community member has worked for and what is of excellent quality is destroyed. These are repeated at certain intervals. Other work that is done in "vain".

Studying in groups regularly something that is not directly related to work and profit, e.g when Jews study and debate talmud daily. Talmud texts are very complex, so they increase verbal intelligence. This can be used in work.

Strange clothing and hairdos, which cause embarrasment to the wearer and which cause outsiders' contempt or even hatred.

Strange dialect and special words. Ibid.

Other things that invite outsiders to hate them to some extent.

Community members have to declare publicly their goals, what failures they have made and how they will improve themselves, etc., or this is done publicly by others. Social pressure and CC.

Forsaking something that is valued, e.g. members are forbidden to drink alcohol, smoke hashis/ marijuana and smoke tobacco, only coffee and tea allowed. Other restrictions to entertainment and consuming, e.g. no TV or sports/ luxury cars.

Etc., other rules that would select out non-committed free riders.

Note: creating enduring reciprocal bonds between community members includes many other methods.