2016-01-02 IS: Shia uskonoppineen teloitus Saudi-Arabiassa (uskonsotaa pukkaa)

[sivullinen.]

Sotaisuus Syyriassa on tulossa päätökseen Al Assadin voittaessa Isisin lopullisesti. Venäjän liityttyä sotaan, Ranska liittyi ja sen jälkeen Yhdysvalloilla oli kiire perustamaan oikein yhteisrintamaa, jotta se ei jäisi aivan ilman osaa uudessa vallanjaossa alueella. Isisin suurin tukija on ollut Saudi-Arabia ja sitä vastaan taistelleista liittoumista -- ennen länsivoimien mukaantuloa -- suurin on ollut Iran. Äskettäin länsimaat -- ja Venäjä -- pääsivät sopuun Iranin-vastaisten pakotteiden lopettamisesta. Iran on saanut jalansijaa ja Saudi-Arabia menettänyt sitä. Kuten jo useat totesivat, saudien kaverit alkavat olla vähissä. Sotaisuus saattaa levitä seuraavaksi myös siihen suuntaan. Uskonsodaksi sitä ei minusta kannattaisi kutsua. Öljy ja raha siinä näyttelevät pääosaa.

Loppuun voisin antaa talousvinkin: Kannattaa käydä tankkaamassa ennenkuin tilanne kuumenee sodaksi.

[Finis Finlandiae]

Yks on varmaa..raakaöljyn hinta tulee nousemaan.

Juuri näin. Kurssit, ja minun salkkuni, tykkäävät. 

Lähtökassa kertyy... 

[Totti]

Iranillako niitä kavereita sitten on ? Aika vähissä ovat ja kovin suurta kannatusta ei taida olla Assadilla, Hizbullahila jne. olla. Putin ainoa kaveri jolla on edes jotain merkitystä alueen ulkopuolella.

Iranilla ja Saudeilla on kuitenkin aika iso ero omavaraisuudessa. Iran on pärjännyt aika hyvin ilmankin ystäviä.

Tästä voin olla samaa mieltä. Iran on pitkään ollut pariaa lännessä, joka tarkoittaa, että se on sopeutunut yksinäiseen tilanteeseen. Saudit taas ovat käytännössä kokonaan riippuvaisia liittolaisista, joista käytännössä jäljellä lienee enää yksi, USA.

Iranin ei kuitenkaan kannata sekaantua itse suoraan sotimiseen. Järkevämpää on aseistaa Saudiarabiassa olevia shiioja (n. 2 miljoonaa) sekä ylläpitää Yemenin sekasorto, jolla sidotaan saudiarmeija etelässä. Keinoja kaataa Saudit on lukuisia.

USA:n intressi puolustaa Saudeja mahdollisessa kapinallistilanteessa lienee kuitenkin hyvin rajoittunut. Vaikka Obama itse on kova islamin puolustaja, on epätodennäköistä, että hän presidenttikauden lopulla haluaisi vettä USA:n sisään uuteen sissisotaan vaarantaen Clintonin ehdokkuuden.

[Tykkimies Pönni]

Uskonsodaksi sitä ei minusta kannattaisi kutsua. Öljy ja raha siinä näyttelevät pääosaa.

Ja Saudit on kuviossa pelkkiä statisteja. Käskyt tulee aivan muualta.

[Parzival]

Irak on todella heikko tällä hetkellä. Hautookohan jompikumpi alueliitosta tai Irakin öljyvarojen anastamista? Ts. onko mahdollisuutta skenaarion, että Saudit ja Iran ottelisivat Irakin maaperällä? Siis suoraan siirtämällä joukkoja sinne. Saudi vs Iran proxy-sotahan siellä on jo käynnissä.

[Punaniska]

Jos tilannetta arvioidaan aivan vaan henkisellä pääomalla, niin ei tarvinne arvuutella Saudi-Iran taisteluparin voittajaa. Persialaisilla oli sivistys voimissaan kun ruotsalaiset ihmettelivät pyörää, eikä kerran korkean tason saanut kansa unohda juuriaan eikä kaikkea osaamistaankaan, vaikka teokratia jarruttaa. Saudit ovat käyttäneet jättiosan rahoistaan kuningashuoneen luksukseen ja hyvinvointivaltio 5.0:n luomiseen, jossa saudien elintaso on huima, vaikka työt ovat lähinnä neuvostoliittolaisia puuhasteluja. Siirtoväki tekee orjapalkalla "oikeat työt".

Persialaisilla on sekä pokkaa että kykyä laittaa saudeille hanttiin. Eri asia on, miten se ilmenee, mutta saudit avasivat ajattelemattomuuttaan nyt täysin turhan vihollisrintaman, joka saattaa johtaa kuningashuoneen kaatumiseen. Koska en välitä heidän ostamistaan poliitikoista enkä sponsoroimistaan vihapuhujista, puolestani saavat mennä.

[hattiwatti]

http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20160105/1032691342/saudi-anti-shiite-provocation.html

Riyadh's execution of Shiite Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr was timed to coincide with the expected lifting of anti-Iranian sanctions and the rejuvenation of the Syrian peace process.

Saudi Arabia just beheaded a prominent anti-government activist and Shiite cleric, Nimr al-Nimr, on trumped-up charges of "terrorism", executing him alongside suspected al Qaeda fighters. The message Riyadh sent was simple enough — Shiite activists are equivalent to terrorists in the Kingdom's calculus, and this predictably engendered outrage all across the world, especially in majority-Shiite Iran. The resultant protests, some of which regretfully turned violent and targeted Saudi diplomatic facilities, were cited as 'proof' of Iran's 'aggression' against Saudi Arabia and became the publicly presentable reason for why Riyadh cut off all diplomatic and economic ties with Tehran.

The timing of this provocation couldn't be more suspect, since it convincingly appears as though the Saudis staged it at precisely the moment when Iran was expected to be reintegrated into the global economy. The UNSC sanctions are widely expected to be lifted by the end of the month or early February, and it looks like Saudi Arabia wants to spoil the event by provoking an anti-Iranian maelstrom that puts pressure on the EU to reconsider its planned energy and infrastructure investments in the country.

Ultimately, France and Germany's economic engagement with Iran will come down to whether or not the US gives them the approval to proceed at their expected pace, and considering how successful Washington was in forcing Brussels to cut its preexisting and very profitable ties with Moscow, it can't be precluded that it could do the same in obstructing unestablished and still forthcoming deals with Tehran.

Of relevance, the US is prepping a new round of unilateral sanctions against Iran due to the latter's missile tests in October, indicating a shift in strategic attitude towards the country that strongly suggests a corresponding European reaction.

Another event that needs to be brought up in the context of Saudi Arabia's latest anti-Iranian stunt is that the next round of the Syrian Reconciliation Dialogue is supposed to begin by the end of the month. Various terrorist groups (deemed "moderate rebels" by the mainstream media) already convened in Riyadh in advance of this forthcoming summit in order to receive consultations, so it's a given that the Saudis hold major influence over an array of on-the-ground militants there.

Curiously, Turkish President Erdogan paid a visit to the Kingdom right before the unannounced execution and shortly after the terrorist gathering, so connecting the anti-Syrian plot points, it looks like the Turkey-Saudi-Qatari bloc of destabilizers plans to undermine both the Geneva intra-Syrian and Vienna extra-Syrian peace talks. As regards the former, they may now order their radical Islamist proxies into making unreasonable demands in order to sabotage the dialogue process, and per the latter, they might threaten to temporarily suspend their participation if Iran isn't kicked out.

The Saudis' War on Yemen has been a dismal failure, yet their leadership is still obsessed with continuing the conflict. They hope that their recent anti-Iranian ruse can prompt the "anti-terror" coalition to increase their supportive contribution to the theater under the guise of "countering Iran".

The reader should be reminded that it's less of an "anti-terrorist" organization and more like a quasi-legitimized international mercenary marketplace, so what the Saudis really want is a semi-plausible reasoning for contracting more fighters into the field.

Additionally, the Ansarallah are Shiite, and linking them, their sect, and Iran to "terrorism" in the Sunni sectarian-manufactured mindset is also meant to excuse any large-scale crackdown against Bahraini and Saudi Eastern Province protesters (both of which are majority Shiite) on cooked-up "anti-terrorist" grounds.

The end effect of all of this is to transform the "anti-terrorist" coalition into an anti-Shiite one and institutionalize militant Muslim sectarianism.

Saudi Arabia and its American "Lead From Behind" masters want to turn the heat up against Iran and punish it for its anti-terrorist cooperation with Russia. The unipolar world, especially the members that invested billions of dollars in regime change terrorists, is angered beyond belief by the success that Russia has had in literally blowing up their assets in Syria.

Considering the active and supporting roles that Iran has played on Russia and Syria's side, most prominently through the use of military advisors and allowing cruise missile strikes through its airspace, there should have been no doubt that some type of consequences would ensue.

It becomes apparent in hindsight that the US and Saudi Arabia were taking their time in plotting their response, which as is visibly being demonstrated, is a dramatic escalation of the New Cold War. In the full spirit of these tense and exclusionary times, a concentrated effort is being made to 'isolate' Iran from the rest of the international Muslim community, most of which is part of the Saudi-led "anti-terrorist" coalition and thus under its organizational influence.

The last main reason why Saudi Arabia chose this specific time to exacerbate tensions with Iran was to strengthen the role of the Defense Ministry and counter any fears of a royal coup. To explain a bit more, King Salman is largely seen as a ceremonial figurehead that's physically incapable of governing the country, with the real power resting in the hands of the Minister of Interior and his son, the Minister of Defense. Respectively, these are the Crown Prince and the Deputy Crown Prince, both of which are only in their current positions because of a surprise shake-up in the royal succession a few months after King Abdullah's death.

Many Saudi royals were unhappy about this decision, and 30-year-old Mohammad bin Salman's reckless War on Yemen angered them even more. Rumors began to swirl that some of the royals were serious in plotting a coup, and they reached such a fever pitch that The Guardian even reported in late September on a mysterious unnamed prince that was at the forefront of the regime change movement. However thought-out the plot may have been, it's probably largely sidelined now that tensions have been purposefully ratcheted up with Iran. In the interests of 'national security', the pervasive mood is such that no 'patriotic' Saudi royal would dare rock the country's stability at a time when ties with Tehran have never been worse, essentially quelling the internal revolt for as long as the crisis carries on for (and which probably won't dissipate for quite some time anyhow).

Wrapping everything up, the tactics of staged provocations and multilateral 'isolation' being played against Iran at the moment closely mirror those that were earlier used against Russia. To remind everyone, the US-organized Color Revolution in Ukraine and subsequent nationalist violence created the conditions where Crimea's residents felt unsafe and opted to reunify with the Russian Federation.

The patriotic uprising in Donbass sprung up almost concurrent with that, and the following Civil War (all of which was American-provoked) was used as the excuse for the West to sanction Russia.

Worse still, NATO exploited this 'opportunity' to illegally deepen its presence in Eastern Europe in contravention to the 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act. Multilaterally and in conjunction with the EU sanctioning Russia and NATO marching ever more determined to the east, the entirety of Central and Eastern Europe aside from Belarus, Serbia, and the Republic of Macedonia united in presenting a singular front against Russia.

At the beginning of 2016, almost the exact same thing is now happening to Iran. Saudi Arabia chose to savagely behead Sheikh al-Nimr in order to create the 'Ukrainian-like' chain of destabilizing excuses to 'justify' a preplanned multilateral response against Iran. Just as NATO and the EU teamed up against Russia, it now looks like the Saudis' "anti-terrorist" coalition and other Riyadh-dominated Mideast institutions will do the same against Iran. Altogether, the general strategy is to create 'containment' coalitions across Eurasia in a desperate bit to hem in the most active multipolar forces in the supercontinent, be it Russia in Eastern Europe or Iran in the Mideast.

Accordingly, it follows that China will be next, and the preconditioning necessary for the next preplanned provocative action is already being practiced in the South China Sea. If some members of ASEAN such as Vietnam and the Philippines formally team up with the US and Japan to 'contain' China, then the three multipolar Great Powers will only have the shared space of Central Asia between them to exercise strategic maneuverability. As a result, the Eurasian Heartland would become ground zero for the next regional destabilization, be it a 'Central Asian Spring' or an ISIl-like terrorist invasion, albeit one which has the potential to offset all three multipolar leaders in one fell swoop.

[hattiwatti]

Siirto toisesta ketjusta, kuuluu aiheeseen vahvasti. Saudien luoma 'terrorismin vastainen' koalitio josta Shia-maat sopivasti jätetty ulkopuolelle menee sopivasti ajoitukseen. Heti kun homman oli saanut toimimaan, niin tuli nämä provokaatiot.

Saudi-Arabia johtamaan 34 muslimimaan terrorinvastaista liittoumaa
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1450075871642.html
....sinps naps... Saudi-Arabia on ilmoittanut uuden, 34 muslimivaltion liittouman muodostamisesta. Liittouman on määrä taistella terrorismia vastaan Saudi-Arabian johdolla. Maan puolustusministerin mukaan uusi liittouma tekee yhteistyötä kansainvälisten organisaatioiden ja suurvaltojen kanssa.

Liittoumaan kuuluvat Saudi-Arabian lisäksi muun muassa Egypti, Qatar, Arabiemiraatit, Turkki, Malesia ja Pakistan sekä muita Persianlahden ja Afrikan maita.

Liittouman tarkoituksena on Saudi-Arabian mukaan suojella muslimivaltioita kaikilta terrorijärjestöiltä, jotka kylvävät väkivaltaa.

Siinäpä sitä vasta terrorisminvastainen liittouma. Taitaa olla Malesia ainoa jolla ei ole sponsorisopimusta minkään jihadistipoppoon kanssa.

Tässä on aiheesta ehkä kattavin analyysi maanmainiolta Andrew Korybkolta. Jokainen koalitiossa mukana oleva maa arvioidaan linkeissä erikseen:

http://katehon.com/article/global-ambitions-saudis-new-anti-terror-coalition-part-i

http://katehon.com/article/global-ambitions-saudis-new-anti-terror-coalition-part-ii

Saudi Arabia's "anti-terrorist" coalition may have come as a news-making surprise the moment it was first reported and was widely treated as a sick and ironic joke by most of those who heard about it, but upon closer examination, it can authoritatively be said that it was predictable in hindsight and is predicated on long-standing sectarian and geopolitical designs.

[hattiwatti]

Oman on protestoinut provokaatiota. Luulisin asian liittyvän siihen, että koittavat vetää kaasuputken Turkmenistan-Iran-Oman reitillä itselleen, ja jotkut ovat kiinnostuneet vetämään sivuhaaran vielä Intiaankin meren alta.

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/oman-disproves-saudi-relation-cuts-with-iran/

Oman's diplomat to Tehran stated that Riyadh's move to cut diplomatic ties with Iran was an effort to overshadow Iran's nuclear agreement with the Group 5+1 (Russia, China, the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Germany). The Omani ambassador, Saud bin Ahmed bin Khalid Al Barwani, also said that Saudi Arabia's reactions were the wrong method. "Regardless of its cause, this has definitely been an unwise action conducted through an incorrect method," Bardani said in a meeting with Iranian Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani "I believe Saudi Arabia, through its recent measure, is after pressuring Iran and overshadowing the nuclear agreement (between Tehran and the world powers)," he added. Following the execution of Saudi Shi'ite cleric Nimr al-Nimr, demonstrators stormed the Saudi Embassy in Tehran. Iranian President Hassan Rouhani criticized the mob and stated all those involved will be brought to justice. Despite this assurance, Saudi Arabia,who was soon followed by Bahrain and Sudan, announced that they would sever all ties with the Islamic Republic.

[ämpee]

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[hattiwatti]

http://southfront.org/opinion-behind-the-scenes-of-the-sheikh-nimr-killing/

Written by Ahmed Rajeev exclusively for SouthFront

Saudi Arabia executed the top level Shiite leader Sheikh Nimr. It is not only the carriage of justice as declared by the House of Saud. It is more than that. It is a provocation designed to reclaim Western power share in Middle East geopolitics.

Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr was one of Saudi Arabia's most respected Shiite clerics. He was a leader of the Qatif Shiite community. He called for social justice, political and civil liberties, which he considered were not prevailing in the Saudi Arabian state apparatus. He appeared rebellious to the House of Saud. He was the main voice for the victims of Saudi oppression in the Eastern Province of the Shiite region. He was bold in the face of threats of violent persecution by the Saudi authorities. His valor radiated throughout the Saudi Kingdom and the Shiite community of the world. So, the House of Saud considered him a threat to their power and finally Saudi police captured him wounded in 2012. Sheikh Nimr appeared as a negotiating tool with Iran, since Sheikh Nimr was religiously connected with its Shiite state philosophy. The House of Saud claimed that he was an Iranian instrument.  So, the retreating West knew that Sheikh Nimr's execution would bring more violence to the Middle Eastern religious and tribal divisions. And the West desperately wants such escalation to fight the alternative bloc activities in the region.

After the failure of the Western-Turkish plot, the West is now leaning more towards the House of Saud to achieve the collective regional goal. The House of Saud is one of the most trusted allies of the West in the Middle East.  To contain the gradual increase of Iran's regional influence, the West now prefers Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has more religious and political influence in that region and beyond than Israel and Turkey combined. Since Saudi Arabia is rich in wealth, it can buy weapons from the West and Israel for its proxy forces. Recently, Israel and USA have been selling modern military equipment to Saudi Arabia. We saw from online reporting that the Saudi military has been using those weapons against Yemen. Many Syrian factions are getting funds and weapons from Saudi Arabia as well.

Proxy and civil wars are now spreading in the Middle East like a plague. Regional powers such as Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran are playing the regional roles of the proxy wars by supporting many militia factions. On the other hand the West and the Russia-china bloc are playing on the international level by supporting their regional partners diplomatically, politically and militarily. Last year, we saw many gruesome but breakthrough events took place on the geopolitical stage of the Middle East. Now, with the opening of the Christian New Year, the crisis of the Middle East promises more spilled-blood on Arabian soil.

So, the Sheikh Nimr killing project was aimed at maximizing the conflicts between Shiites and Sunnis in the Middle East and beyond. In such cases, the Sunni world will be in total support of the West and on the the other side the Russia-China bloc will continue its support of the Shiites. This intra-religious conflict will have less effect in the non-Arab Muslim populated Asian countries since they have other means of maintaining the social fabric. But it will create significant cultural divisions which might lead to a future bloodbath. The ideological polarization and its consequent violence within the Muslim community will be more visible.

The retreating West has been planting political mines throughout the world since the structural crisis occurred. We saw such things when the British Empire was about to fall. They planted political mines by amplifying religious and linguistic divisions within  long-standing civilizations. We can see it now on a possibly larger scale. The whole Middle East is now a political minefield.  The Middle-East mines are exploding gradually since the Russia-China bloc has started treading on the field. After the Russian appearance on the Middle Eastern stage, these political mines are being exposed. These mines also exposed the Western geopolitical plot of heinous oppression at the regional level. Such Western design, to contain the Middle East by containing Iran, paved the way for the exploitation of Shiites in the region. The Wahhabi doctrine promoted by Saudi Arabia and the West destroys multicultural stability in the region. The core intention is to divide Arab land into as many pieces as possible in order to take full but indirect control of trade routes, oil resources and energy supply lines.

Since the West will try to increase and escalate the violence in the Middle East, it is high time for the alternative bloc to create a power balance by further empowering Iran. The mutual and strategic partnership between China, Iran and Russia can play a vital role for future trade and geopolitics in the Middle-East and beyond. But to play a long lasting role in a Middle East peace and stability process, it is high time for Iran to arm itself with nuclear weapons. Only a nuclear armed Iran, by creating a power balance in the region, can put an end to the present Middle-East crisis.  A nuclear powered Iran can create a power-platform from where peace and stability can be easily promoted.  So, a well-founded, powerful, stable, political and diplomatic platform – centered on Iran – can be a midpoint for the Grand Eurasian Union trade route.

[roskajournalisti]

http://southfront.org/opinion-behind-the-scenes-of-the-sheikh-nimr-killing/

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