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2015-09-25 Tutkimus mamuvyöryyn liittyvästä kybersodasta.

Started by hattiwatti, 25.09.2015, 19:01:27

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hattiwatti

Mulle lähetettiin tälläinen. Laittakaas google kääntäjään, menee englanniksi ihan hyvin.

Mitäköhän vastaavaa Suomen osalta on tehty. Joku nörtti voi hyvin tutkia asiaa. Sitten pitäisi miettiä vasta-operaatioita.

http://pda.kompravda.eu/daily/26434.4/3305391/

Quote- "Chronicles of the death of Germany", - says Vladimir Ph.D. Shalak. - It struck me. I wanted to check what was really going on, where did the flow of migrants. As a source of information the microblogging network Twitter.
WELCOME TO GERMANY!
- Why, Vladimir?
- It is most quickly responds to all events in the world. Just a minute after the interval of the incident. It presents a lot of different points of view. And, among others, can find a lot of additional information. Who exactly wrote, where, etc. In the footsteps of "Komsomolskaya Pravda" and began their investigation by the method of content analysis.
- What's the method?
- One thing to simply read the text. Different people have different ways they assess, understand.
- Really, are still heated debates around the "German Chronicle" Skoybedy. Some of our former citizens write out what they have in the Fatherland is quiet, it's, say, Russian media hysteria pumped, Kremlin propaganda. Although the head of the UN response, Chancellor of Germany, other European leaders is clear that it smells like kerosene ...
- There is quite a rigorous analysis method based on the frequency of words or phrases in body text, titles, etc. I've been doing this for 22 years. Logician by profession, after graduation, I worked for seven years at the Research Center for Artificial Intelligence in Pereslavl there and became interested in the content analysis of the texts. Including the Internet. To do this, set up special computer programs. Content analysis - rigorous method. If someone suddenly have questions, you can always refer to specific sources and to prove that it was not my imagination, but the harsh reality.
With the help of a computer system SKAI launched search and collection of messages at the request of «refugees» (refugees). I searched for Twitter only the original message. It was necessary that a person really had written the tweet, use that word. For the purity of the original investigation it is important. If you take more and retweets will be hundreds of thousands of messages that only stir up the picture.
Quickly gathered more than 19 thousand texts in Twitter. So I wonder what the name of the European countries most frequently mentioned in the messages. I chose to analyze the countries Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Great Britain, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Sweden. Well, and Ukraine.
It turned out that Germany is in the same context with the refugees mentioned in half of all messages. Ie two and a half times more likely than its neighbor Austria, and almost five times more likely than Hungary, through which tens of thousands of transit travel of refugees. England with a modest 6% - in fourth place. On the rest of the So what is going on with Germany? If we restrict tweets that mention only she, the vast majority of them - 93% - admiration for the hospitality and humane policy on refugees Germans.
• Germany Yes! Leftists spray a graffiti on a train sayin "Welcome, refugees" in Arabic
• Lovely people - video of Germans welcoming Syrian refugees to their community
• Respect! Football fans saying "Welcome Refugees" across stadiums in Germany.
• This Arabic Graffiti train is running in Dresden welcoming refugees: (ahlan wa sahlan - a warm welcome).
• 'We love Germany !,' cry relieved refugees at Munich railway station
• Thousands welcome refugees to Germany - Sky News Australia
• Wherever this German town is that welcomed a coach of Syrian refugees with welcome signs and flowers -thank you.
• Germany Yes! Graffiti on train "Welcome" to refugees in Arabic.
• Lovely people (video), the Germans invited Syrian refugees into their communities.
• Respect! Football fans will say "Welcome" to refugees in Germany.
• Thousands welcome the refugees in Germany, etc.
I drew attention to the extraordinary popularity of the slogan «Welcome, refugees», «Welcome, refugees!" I decided to repeat the collection of information already specifically with this invitation. Sobral 5704 original, emphasize tweets that contained the phrase «Welcome, refugees». Again, the exclusion of all retweets, which would be a tremendous increase in the volume of data being analyzed, but did not clarify.
The first three places in Germany - 76.8%, Austria - 12.4%, while Britain only 4.6%

- Impressive stats!
- So there was my suspicion that Germany is not all right. As my friend likes to joke Mikhail Dymshits, even if you are paranoid, does not mean that you have no one pursues.
- Of course, in Germany, life secure, high benefits for the workers, but there are other rich countries in Europe. Same England, France, Sweden, Norway ...
- But Twitter is inviting mostly in Germany! Intrigued. To continue to investigate, without leaving your computer. Estimates on public accounts published posts «Welcome, refugees» and references to Germany. Select only those accounts, which contains regional identity, built rating. The following chart shows the percentage of the eight leading countries that invite the refugees to visit inviting Germany.

Oddly enough, but the Germany with 6.4% turned out to be only the third place. The first two places divided between her loyal friends - Britain and the United States and 19.2% from 17.0%.
Interestingly, when the initial study, the interest of England and the US were nearly two times less than it is now.
The moral is that Germany itself is not particularly committed to ensuring that it captivated hordes of miserable refugees. But the rest of the world led by the US and Britain tearfully persuades them to take advantage of traditional German hospitality.
- What happens? Two Anglo-Saxon Allies deliberately invited the refugees last week to ... Germans! The surprising discovery you made, Vladimir, congratulations! That's where your ears stick out a humanitarian catastrophe of migrants in Europe.
- Through analysis, it became clear to me that the current invasion of refugees already called the Great Migration - a deliberate campaign.
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foobar

Melko autenttinen ryssänhaju tässä jutussa. Satunnainen tohtori yhdistää pisteet ja löytää suuren salaliiton... joka tietenkin sattuu olemaan mukavasti linjassa putinistisen agendan kanssa.
"Voi sen sanoa, paitsi ettei oikein voi, koska sillä antaa samalla avoimen valtakirjan EU:ssa tapahtuvalle mielivallalle."
- ApuaHommmaan siitä, voiko sanoa Venäjän tekevän Ukrainassa siviilien kidutusmurhia ja voiko ne tuomita.

hattiwatti

^^ En epäile hetkeäkään mitä kirjoitat. Ongelmallista vaan on, että nykyään ihan liian moni pieni tiedonmuru tukee tätä juttua, esim. Obaman hehkutukset Merkelin suuntaan että

Tietty idässä päin mehustellaan Lännen Lähi-Idän interventioillaan aiheuttamista kriiseistä, että iskee omaan nilkkaankin. Tietävät myös että pitkässä juoksussa Euroopassa tulee anti-atlantismi nousemaan tämän vyöryn, minkä puolesta itse koitankin kampanjoida.

Epäilyttävälläkin agendalla varustettuja juttuja on mielestäni tärkeä edes koittaa testata täällä, koska on vaan tunne että jotain Suomeakin kohtaan saattaisi olla tekeillä ja joku kyber-ekspertti foorumilta voisi hyvinkin tutkia asian ihan samalla metodilla mitä tuossa artikkelissa kuvataan. Se ei ole vaikeaa. Toivon näkeväni kommentia jossa Saksan sijalla tutkitaan Suomea. Sitten voi pohtia mahdollisia vastatoimenpiteitä. Kiveäkään ei saa jättää kääntämättä.

Jos on 'putinismia' että olisi joku kyberkampanja mainostaa tiettyjä Euroopan maita ipakolaismagneetteina, niin mitä sitten vaikkapa pääministerimme tempaus oli? Tässä on vain korkeallakin tasolla Suomenkin hallituksessa niin outoa meininkiä, että kaikki mahdolliset oudolta vaikuttavatkin tiedonmurut kannattaa syynätä läpi.

Nuivanlinna

Quote from: foobar on 25.09.2015, 19:07:11
Melko autenttinen ryssänhaju tässä jutussa. Satunnainen tohtori yhdistää pisteet ja löytää suuren salaliiton... joka tietenkin sattuu olemaan mukavasti linjassa putinistisen agendan kanssa.

Ja niin kauan Suomea mamutetaan kun vain vähän muistetaan pelotella Venäjällä ja saadaan porukka vauhkoontumaan.
Itsenäisyyden vaaliminen on joka ilmansuunnan tosiasia mikä Suomelta unohtui.

QuoteVihapuhe lietsoo väkivaltaa
http://www.iltalehti.fi/paakirjoitus/2015092520416775_pk.shtml
.....naps....
Suomen on päätettävä, olemmeko länsimaa vai harmaan vyöhykkeen Luoteis-Venäjää. Vihapuheen "ymmärtäminen" voi viedä väkivaltaan.
Quote from: millla on 04.03.2016, 23:01:53
Pahinta Suomessa on tämän köyhyyden lisäksi henkinen köyhyys. Meiltä puuttuu horisontti, mihin katsoa ja mitä tavoitella.

hattiwatti

#4
Nimim. Lasse postasi taannoin aiheeseen sopivan.

http://www.fluchthelfer.in/?lang=en

www.info-direkt.at/fluchthelfer-in-made-by-us-think-tank/

Tiedonpaloja yhdistelemällä tulee aika iso kuva näkyviin.

tämä akezinkin postaama on mielenkiintoinen:

http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,105105.msg2009907.html#msg2009907



Ja tää vanha klassinen, suoraan wikipediasta. Tuntuu kuin sama olisi käynissä uusiksi, samasta maasta taas lähtee vyöry?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastarbeiter

"The first Gastarbeiter were recruited from European nations. However Turkey pressured the Federal Republic to allow its citizens to become guest workers.[5] Theodor Blank, Secretary of State for Employment, was opposed to such agreements. He held the opinion that the  cultural gap between Germany and Turkey would be too large and also held the opinion that Germany needed no more labourers because there were enough unemployed people living in the poorer regions of Germany who could fill these vacancies. The  United States, however, put some political pressure on Germany, wanting to stabilize and create goodwill from a potential ally. The German Department of Foreign Affairs carried on the negotiations after this, and in 1961 an agreement was reached"

hattiwatti

Loput artikkelista google - kääntäjällä, muut voivat korjata käännösvirheitä. Eniten toivoisin jonkun nörtin toistavan jutussa kuvatun simppelin tutkimusmetodin meidän maatamme koskien.

Digging Deeper!
- Who gave the order? Obama? Cameron? The head of the State Department Kerry?
- Sami these figures glow in Twitter, of course, will not. But the interesting artists who clearly on someone's team started at the same time entice refugees to the Germans.
1) August 30 at 10:25:11 in the film account was taken @ LotteLeicht1 message «Wonderful" #REFUGEES WELCOME ". Banners draped across football stadiums in #Germany this weekend. Via @ markito0171 http://t.co/8Nhyi7Ujfy »(" Great "# REFUGEES, welcome." Banners at football stadiums in Germany this weekend. ") It soon gained over 2000 retweets. Now they are much more.
Lotte Leicht - the lady is not easy. Director of the European Office of the famous human rights organization "Human Rights Watch» (HumanRightsWatch, HRW - Human Rights Watch), headquartered in the United States. Office of the Lotte - in Brussels, the capital of the European Union. But the refugees, as we see, not beckoning to Belgium - Germany

2) on August 30 at 8:08:37 in the tape posted accountJfxM message «" REFUGEES WELCOME ". Banners draped across Germany's football stadiums this weekend. (@ markito0171) http://t.co/fJYq0xXrXe », (Lotte Leicht similar message), who scored more than 1,600 retweets.
This is Jack Moore, a journalist from England. World ReporterNewsweekEurope. FoundedWorldOutline. Formerly at The Times / King's College. London, England.
3) On August 31, 23:59:06 in the film account was takenWashingtonPost message «In Germany, tabloids welcome refugees. In Britain, they propose sending the army to keep them out. http://t.co/gKMdQX4UDt ». (In German tabloids welcome refugees. In the UK, offer to send an army to keep them). The newspaper "Washington Post" is known throughout the world. Washington, you know, across the ocean.
Such messages, each of which gathers hundreds of thousands of retweets in recent weeks is very, very much.
Bots from Texas
- Further analysis showed that individual enthusiasts is not limited to, - continues the story of Vladimir Shalak. - On the whole battalions of reinforcements came bots. There are different methods to determine whether the owners of the accounts from which the messages are, real people or a computer program, managed from outside. The so-called bots.
- Do not hide Twitter!
- But he is good.
Here are just a few examples.
1) August 27, forty-botschanging_news, @ changing_news1, ..., @ changing_news39 US simultaneously in 8:00:33 - the working day has begun! - Publish the message «A new welcome: Activists launch home placement service for refugees in Germany and Austria http://t.co/jA3MX1J6ak #News #Change #Help» (Welcome: Activists launch service home placement of refugees in Germany and Austria) . All forty-tweets are gone in one second!
Belongs to the group of bots resource «Your News Will Never Be The Same» («Your news will never be the same!") The most amazing thing, despite its name five days later, on September 1, at 22:30:37, the bots send the same message, changing only the beginning of the word lowercase to uppercase. To look like a new tweet: «A New Welcome: Activists Launch Home Placement Service For Refugees In Germany And Austria http://t.co/C2J4QiTvoY #News #Change #Help».
2) Another group of 50 boats, which are united by the fact that they were created February 14, 2014 in the time interval from 6:02:00 to 6:24:00, published on August 31 at 17:26:08 the same Message «#hot Football Fans in Germany Unite with 'Refugees Welcome' Message http://t.co/aNfawL0Ogd #prebreak #best». (Football fans in Germany support the slogan "Refugees Welcome"). They could not be determined mestoracpolozhenie

- Well hidden!
3) 95 bots, September 1 at 07:29 publish the message «German Soccer Fans Welcome Refugees Amid Ongoing Crisis: As Europe faces the challenge of a wave of migration ... http://t.co/9F74YFGPyJ». (German football fans: Welcome Refugees! "
All these boats come from United States, Texas, Dallas. It belongs to a very interesting resource «Media for Social and Cultural Impact» - Media for the social and cultural impact.
4) August 29 at 23:02, another group of 80 boats publish the same message «Thousands Welcome Refugees to Germany at Dresden Rally: Thousands of people took to the streets of the German city of Dresden on Satu ...». Identify regional nature of this group of robots is not possible.
Examples bots again goes on and on. The most curious readers of "Komsomolskaya Pravda" can test their detective skills in Twitter.
It is important to note that each original tweet Refugee exponentially immediately acquires a large number of retweets. As the nuclear reaction. Thread a masthead as kindly tells the same Twitter!
There is an illusion that Twitter harmless. Well, think of just 140 characters that can I say ?! This is a big misconception. Twitter - a serious impact on people's arms. It is massively used in the "color revolutions" in the same "Arab Spring" to raise people, especially young people, to overthrow the government. And in Tunisia, and Egypt, Yemen, Libya ...
- To bring the people to the streets for specific addresses, 140 characters is more than enough.
- In Libya, by the way, NATO has used Twitter to coordinate military action against Gaddafi. It was created by a number of special accounts where they sent the information. Goes nondescript man on a camel, he sees several government tanks Gaddafi. Immediately send tweets with geo-referenced to within a few meters. And go home. And the tanks of NATO missiles hit soon.
This time, Twitter is used as a tool for the mass withdrawal of people in other countries. Arrange with the help of a new Great Migration.
Braking German locomotive
- What a great suit, "relocation", "invasion"?
- Here it is difficult to give a definite answer. I can only assume.
On the one hand, the Germans, who still suffer guilt for World War II. Wishing to atone for the sins of parents and grandparents create hothouse conditions for truly unfortunate of the hot spots in Africa and the Middle East. To once again prove to the world community, they say, they - not the Nazis.
- Yes, they drove deep sense of guilt!
- Refugees should not be confused with migrants, as are different categories of people. On the subject of refugees simplified registration form, receipt of social benefits and housing.
On the other hand, social networks and media used in order to direct the flow of refugees is in Germany, which is already groaning from this disaster, and even threatened to suspend the Schengen agreement.
In short, enjoy the German guilt complex.
Against this background, candid look mockingly reports that «US to admit 1,500 Syrian refugees by end of September» (US let in 1500 Syrian refugees by the end of September) or «US to Accept 5,000 to 8,000 Syrian Refugees Next Year »(the US takes 5,000 to 8,000 Syrian refugees in the next year). After all, today, every day of the German border crossing several thousand refugees.
The newly arrived claim their rights. Requires the provision of comfortable housing. Refugees well exist on benefits paid to them and do not tend to get a job and integrate into German culture.
There is a growing crime - rape, theft, murder, robbery, distribution of drugs. Along with the wave of refugees arriving and Adventure LIH ...
No need for a highly developed imagination to extrapolate this trend into the future.
From Germany, we knew it, we can say goodbye forever. None of those who came there and began to receive benefits, will never return to Libya, Syria, Iraq, and the list goes on.
- Until recently it said that the German authorities will take until the end of the year 800 thousand. Now projected to increase to one million! This year alone.
- This will inevitably lead and already leads to the growing influence of right-wing parties. A growing number of their supporters begin burning placement of refugees being beaten. Since the refugees - it's mostly young people who are good, much better than German natives, speak with knives and other weapons, they will resist. Already, they blocked the road and claim their rights. Further more. You can expect to destabilize the internal situation in Germany. Inevitable conflicts on religious, ethnic or cultural grounds. How not to recall the prophetic books of Helena Chudinova "The Mosque of Notre Dame."
Germany called the locomotive of the European Union, which is going through hard times. The destruction of Germany - is the destruction of the EU and all of Europe. Is not this is the purpose of the hegemon of the ocean and its loyal ally - Britain, which, though in Europe, but on the island? Finally, the weakening of the United States of Europe is advantageous, as would lead to capital flows, will support its economy and for some time to retain world leadership. At the same time it will be a blow to Russia, as soon as a gamble with Ukraine failed.
One can only wish that the forecasts have not come true, but it hurts all converge at one point.
From the Files of "KP".
Shalak Vladimir Ivanovich, Doctor of Philosophy. Senior Researcher, Institute of Philosophy. Creator and leader of Baal. For 20 years, participates in the content analyzes of various issues.

Tykkimies Pönni

#6
Quote from: foobar on 25.09.2015, 19:07:11
Melko autenttinen ryssänhaju tässä jutussa. Satunnainen tohtori yhdistää pisteet ja löytää suuren salaliiton... joka tietenkin sattuu olemaan mukavasti linjassa putinistisen agendan kanssa.

Toki. Tai sitten pelokkaan mamukriitikon mieli keksii mitä vaan, selittäkseen epämiellyttävää oloa tuottavat teoriat parhainpäin. Tunne siis ohjaa ajattelua. Erittäin vaarallista sotilasjohtajille, poliitikoille, yritysjohtajille ja kaikille joiden logiikkaa käytetään erilaisten asioiden ratkaisemiseen. Ja ihan helvetin yleistä.

Ettei mene offtopikiksi, joku on myös aloittanut mustamaalauskampanjan Volkswagenia ja BMW:tä vastaan. Kyllä maailmasta kusetuksia löytyy, mutta ainoastaan harvoista niistä tehdään tekemällä skandaali. Katselin just huvikseni. Volkkarista karhun osan omistaa vieläkin Porschen perhe ja BMW on tietenkin Magda Göebbelsin ensimmäisestä avioliitosta syntyneen pojan jälkeläisten hallussa. Kenes hallussa on koko länsimaailman media, mikä tarvitaan autojättien mustamaalaamiseen?

foobar

Quote from: samuliloov on 25.09.2015, 19:27:39
Quote from: foobar on 25.09.2015, 19:07:11
Melko autenttinen ryssänhaju tässä jutussa. Satunnainen tohtori yhdistää pisteet ja löytää suuren salaliiton... joka tietenkin sattuu olemaan mukavasti linjassa putinistisen agendan kanssa.

Toki. Toinen vaihtoehto on myös että pelokkaan mieli keksii mitä vaan selittäkseen epämiellyttävää oloa tuottavat teoriat parhainpäin.

Saattaa olla että ylitulkitset. Kiinnitin vain huomiota tuollaiseen venäläistyyppiseen - no - tarinankerrontaperinteeseen. Jutussa käytetyt tavat rakentaa tarinaa, auktoriteettia ja johtopäätöstä kuuluisivat useimmissa maissa johonkin ufouskovaisten Ultraan. Venäjällä ne ovat kuitenkin valtavirtaa.

En ota pahemmin kantaa siihen olisivatko väitteet totta vai eivät. Voin kuitenkin todeta, että Venäjä on propagandatoimijana paljon vahvempi muiden rivien hajottajana kuin missään muussa. Tässäkin - venäläisille tuttujen viholliskuvien maalaamisen lisäksi - on selkeästi tavoitteena kylvää eripuraa itä- ja keskieurooppalaisten keskuuteen. Kas kun sattuikin näin!
"Voi sen sanoa, paitsi ettei oikein voi, koska sillä antaa samalla avoimen valtakirjan EU:ssa tapahtuvalle mielivallalle."
- ApuaHommmaan siitä, voiko sanoa Venäjän tekevän Ukrainassa siviilien kidutusmurhia ja voiko ne tuomita.

guest8788

Haastateltu Vladimir Shalack löytyi ainakin Venäjän tiedeakatemian sivuilta julkaisulistan kera.
http://eng.iph.ras.ru/shalack.htm

"Fields of research: Theory of logical consequence, logical analysis of the Internet, content analysis of the texts, antique logic, combinatory logic, definition theory, logical methods of consistent pattern detection"

Ufouskovainen putinisti siellä vain satuilee venäläisen kerrontaperinteen mukaisesti. Haisee myös ryssältä, eli on ryssä.

Artikkeli kaipaisi kunnon käännöstä.

foobar

Tunnen kasan näiden alojen tutkijoita, ja tiedän myös, etten kysyisi heiltä poliittisia tulkintoja. Eivätpä he niitä tyrkytäkään. Ne olisivat tasan yhtä asiantuntevia kuin kulmapöydän Arskan kommentit, ja useimmat fiksut luonnontieteellisten alojen ihmiset myös tajuavat itse tämän. On yksi asia olla esimerkiksi kombinatorisen logiikan asiantuntija ja ihan oikeasti täysin eri asia kommentoida kansainvälistä politiikkaa. Ihmiset tajuavat useimmilla aloilla itsekin sen, ettei tohtorintutkinto tee heistä kaikkien, vaan pelkästään yhden alan tai jopa vain sen pienen kulman asiantuntijaa.

Tämä ei ole kommentti kombinatorisen logiikan asiantuntijoita vastaan. Olen työskennellyt niin näiden kuin esim. sotatieteiden tohtorienkin kanssa. Ymmärrys on näissä yhteistyötilanteissa aina ollut syvä sen suhteen, että toisen tontilla on mitä todennäköisimmin itse diletantti, ja alojen asiantuntemuksen yhdistäminen on aina työn ja tuskan takana.

Tietyllä tapaa tämä kuuluu samaan sarjaan kuin "nobelistit ovat kirjoittaneet vetoomuksen asiaa X vastaan" - jossa asia on täysin heidän alansa ulkopuolella, mutta tittelillä ratsastetaan. Tällaisia uutisia harrastetaan kyllä meilläkin...
"Voi sen sanoa, paitsi ettei oikein voi, koska sillä antaa samalla avoimen valtakirjan EU:ssa tapahtuvalle mielivallalle."
- ApuaHommmaan siitä, voiko sanoa Venäjän tekevän Ukrainassa siviilien kidutusmurhia ja voiko ne tuomita.

Nötkötti

Saksalainen ein reich ein volk Merkeleellinen täti kutsuu koko maiilmankylän kestitysleiriin. Volkswagen-insinöörit kusettaa jälleen, miksi taas? Politics jää nyt hämäräksi, EU? Onko tädillä stasitaustaa tai suvussa mengeleitä.