2015-06-14 Itävalta ja Sveitsi palauttavat myös tulijoita takaisin Italiaan

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Itävalta ja Sveitsi palauttavat tulijoita myös takaisin italiaan niin kuin ranskakin tekee Dublin-sopimuksen nojalla.

Suomi voisi dublin sopimuksen nojalla palauttaa kaikki ruotsin kautta tulevat turvapaikanhakijat takaisin ruotsiin eli n. 99% turvapaikanhakijoista mutta suomen rajaviranomaiset ja tulli EIVÄT TEE TYÖTÄÄN.

Italian kaikki ehdotukset pitää torjua sillä Dublin sopimuksen tuhoaminen lisäisi tulijoiden määrää entisestään ja jos pakolaisleirit olisivat Libyassa ja siellä tehtäisiin turvapaikkahakemusten käsittely niin tulijoiden määrä monikymmenkertaistuisi.

Nykyinen "hätätilanne" eli tulijoiden suuri määrä johtuu siitä että vuonna 2014 Italia "hukkasi" eli jätti tietoisesti rekisteröimättä ja tietoisesti työnsi muualle eurooppaan yli 100 000 Välimeren ylittäjää.

Tulijoita on koska puskaradio on kertonut että Italian halki pääsee ilman rekisteröintiä ja voi hakea turvapaikkaa niistä maista jotka jakavat rahaa.

Jos italia käsittelisi jokaisen ja turvapaikan saavat potkaistaisiin kadulle ilman senttiäkään mikä on italian politiikka niin eihän tulijoita olisi ja puskaradio kertoisi että Italian kaduilla on ikävä elää ja aurinkolasienkaan myynnistä ei saa enää rahaa kun myyjiä on kadut täynnä.

Italy to ask EU to set up refugee processing camps in Libya
AFP By Ella Ide
June 14, 2015 1:32 PM
Migrants stage a demonstration under the rain on the rocks off the coast of Ventimiglia, Italy, on June 14, 2015 after having spent the night near the sea at the French-Italian border, after being refused entry into France

Rome (AFP) - Italy said Sunday it will ask the EU to set up refugee processing camps in Libya, and threatened to 'hurt' Europe should it turn a deaf ear to the crisis on its shores.

The country is struggling to accommodate an endless wave of boat migrants, and a crackdown on security at the borders with France and Austria has exacerbated the situation, causing a bottleneck at Italy's train stations.

The crisis "should not be underestimated", Prime Minister Matteo Renzi said, as Austria, France and Switzerland expelled asylum seekers back onto Italian soil.

"Let me be clear, Europe's answers so far have not been good enough," Renzi added.

The EU is having difficulty achieving consensus for its proposed migrant distribution plan -- under which 24,000 refugees would be taken in by other countries -- but Italy is hoping an EU summit on June 25-26 will go even further.

"Redistributing just 24,000 people is almost a provocation," Renzi said.

Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi gesturing on April 27, 2015, on board of the Italian naval ship  ...

"If Europe chooses solidarity, good. If it doesn't, we have Plan B ready. But it would first and foremost hurt Europe," he said, without providing details.

Renzi has come under pressure to take a stronger stance with the 28-member bloc, with the anti-establishment Five Star movement suggesting Italy threaten to freeze its EU budget contributions if aid is not forthcoming.

- Secret Plan B -

"I cannot reveal our Plan B," Interior Minister Angelino Alfano told Sky TG24, "but if Europe is not supportive, it will find itself dealing with a different Italy. We will not accept a selfish Europe."

Alfano said he would ask the EU at a meeting of interior ministers on Tuesday for "fair distribution of migrants, camps in Libya and a serious policy on repatriation" of economic migrants.

Italian police officers stand near where migrants are settled on a rocks off the coast of Ventimigli ...

Any such plan for camps would hinge on Libya's opposing factions reaching a political agreement, or Italy convincing the UN to adopt a resolution.

Over 57,000 migrants and asylum seekers have been rescued at sea and brought to Italy so far this year -- up from 54,000 at the same time last year -- Renzi said, and Rome wants both a long-term solution and help from other countries now.

It wants the EU to forge repatriation deals with African nations and share the cost of returning home would-be economic migrants, who currently make up around 60 percent of those arriving by boat.

Renzi will raise the issue with his British and French counterparts when they travel to Milan this week, as well as speaking to European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Under the Dublin convention, refugees must apply for asylum in the first country of entry to Europe -- a rule which Italy says is unfair as it leaves Rome to deal with the thousands of migrants washing up on its shores.

Migrants queue near a vehicle of the Italian Red Cross outside "Baobab" migration centre n ...

Greece has also long complained of being left with the same problem.

The Dublin convention "should be changed," Renzi said, insisting the current chaos in Libya -- from where many of the boats depart -- is "Europe's responsibility in light of the (military) intervention four years ago" by NATO to help rebels unseat dictator Moamer Kadhafi.

The Schengen open borders accord has until now meant those landing in Italy can usually easily travel through neighbouring France, Austria, Switzerland and Slovenia as they seek to make it to Britain, Germany and Scandinavia.

But border controls were temporarily reintroduced by Germany last week ahead of hosting the G7 summit.

A subsequent tightening of the frontier at the French-Italian border as well, where police have refused entry to people hoping to head to northern Europe, has sparked migrant protests.

Migrants from sub-Saharan Africa rest inside a detention center in the Libyan capital, Tripoli, on J ...

- Austria, France, Switzerland repel -

Some of the men, women and children from Somalia, Eritrea, the Ivory Coast and Sudan said they had initially made it across the border into France by train, but been arrested and escorted back across the frontier by police.

Austrian police also announced Sunday they would be returning to Italy 24 African migrants arrested while trying to get to Germany by train.

In Switzerland, border police spokesman Attila Lardori said 240 migrants were expelled back to Italy over the weekend, adding that officers on average round up between 30 and 50 migrants a day on trains crossing between Italy and France.

The standoff at Ventimiglia on the border with France raised particular concern in Italy, with the anti-establishment Five Star movement saying "Paris is treating migrants like parcels to return to sender: it's shameful."

The crackdown has increased pressure on Italy's already overcrowded reception facilities, with hundreds of people sleeping rough in the main train stations in Rome and Milan.

As television images showed yet more arrivals by sea, authorities in Milan rushed to convert a warehouse into a centre, while in Rome the civil protection agency set up a temporary tent camp.

Migrants sporting scars from wounds suffered in conflict-hit homelands or lawless Libya were tended to by the Red Cross.

Around 1,800 people have drowned attempting the crossing so far this year, according to the International Organization for Migration (IOM).

http://news.yahoo.com/italy-threatens-hurt-europe-gets-no-help-migrants-084148246.html

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Italy To "Go It Alone" If It Gets No EU Help On Migration Crisis
Mon, 15th Jun 2015 16:36

Rome (Alliance News) - Italy will take unilateral steps to deal with a refugee crisis if it gets no help from EU peers, Prime Minister Matteo Renzi said Monday, criticizing France for turning back asylum seekers from its border with Italy.

"There can be no national selfishness and no closing of the eyes," Renzi said during a press conference with Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto. "If Europe wants to be Europe, it must tackle this problem collectively."

"If this will not happen, we will simply go it alone," Renzi said, without elaborating on the so-called "plan B" he first spoke about in a Sunday interview with the Corriere della Sera daily. "It would not be a defeat for Italy, it would be a defeat for Europe," he added.

In an apparent snipe at France, the Italian premier said "the muscle-flexing attitude adopted by some ministers from some friendly countries" was going "exactly against" the need for more intra-EU solidarity.

Hundreds of migrants have been blocked for days at the Italo-French border at Ventimiglia-Menton. They have staged protests, with about 100 of them spending the night camped out on the rocky seafront near the French border and another 200 finding shelter in the Ventimiglia train station.

"Italy must take care of them," French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve told French broadcaster BFMTV. "We have had 8,000 border crossings since the beginning of the year, and we sent approximately 6,000 people back to Italy."

"That is the European law," Cazeneuve added, citing the Dublin II regulation, which stipulates that a migrant's asylum claims must be processed in the first EU country they set foot in. Italy retorts that with record inflows, the rules have become inapplicable.

Italian Interior Minister Angelo Alfano has called the situation at the Ventimiglia border checkpoint a "punch in Europe's face."

"These people want to go Europe, not to Italy," Alfano told RAI state television.

Italy is the main landing point for Europe-bound boat migrants, having registered roughly 60,000 landings since the start of the year. Most incomers try to circumvent Dublin II rules, avoiding identification in Italy and moving on to northern Europe.

But Austria and non-EU member Switzerland have also been pushing back migrants trying to enter their borders from Italy. In turn, Italy says growing numbers of Afghans and Pakistanis who first entered the EU through Bulgaria and Hungary are crossing into its territory.

EU interior ministers are due to convene in Luxembourg on Tuesday to discuss a controversial proposal for the emergency relocation of 24,000 asylum seekers from Italy, and 16,000 from Greece, to other members of the bloc.

Before the meeting, EU Migration Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos will hold talks with Alfano, Cazeneuve and German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere, European Commission spokeswoman Natasha Bertaud said in Brussels.

Bertaud said the commission was aware of stepped up controls at French, Austrian and Swiss borders with Italy, called on EU governments to not put off decisions on the migration crisis, and said it was "premature" to comment on Renzi's threat.

http://www.lse.co.uk/AllNews.asp?code=y8nd0i63&headline=Italy_To_Go_It_Alone_If_It_Gets_No_EU_Help_On_Migration_Crisis

Italian ministeri toteaa että ei tulijoiden tavoitteena ole Italia vaan Eurooppa ja samaan aikaan jatkuvasti jättävät tulijoista suurimman osan rekisteröimättä.

Suomeenkin tulevista turvapaikanhakijoista suurin osa on näitä italian ja kreikan kautta tulleita.

Italialaiset käyttäytyvät täysin kusipäämaisesti koko muuta eurooppaa kohtaan ja italialaisten käyttäytyminen on aiheuttanut koko nykyisen kriisin koska ei tulijoita olisi näin paljon jollei puskaradio olisi kertonut että italian läpi pääsee.

Samaan aikaan kitisevät että Italiaan on tullut Bulgarian ja Unkarin kautta afgaaneja ja pakistanilaisia.

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Onhan tämä niin naurettavaa. Tai siis itkettävää. Italia vuotaa kuin seula, eikä tilanne näytä paranevan. Suomalaiset voisivat osaltaan parantaa tilannetta ottamalla rajatarkastukset käyttöön ja palauttamalla tulijat ja jo tulleet sïihen maahan johon ovat EU-alueella ensin tulleet. Tähän käytäntöön on jossain vaiheessa pakko mennä. Mitä kauemmin asiassa viivytellään, sitä vaikeammaksi ja kalliimmaksi korjaustoimet tulevat.

Pelkään pahoin, että ainakaan KEPU-KOK -akseli ei halua asiassa edetä. PS:n on pistettävä nyt kaikki peliin. Ei riitä, että voivotellaan muiden ryhdittömyyttä. Miksi olla hallituksessa jossa kansan enemmistön tahto ei toteudu. Toivottavasti pelkoni eivät toteudu, ja lähiviikot näyttävät kuinka PS-KEPU -akseli pelastaa Suomen vaaran viikoista.

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Italia "hukannut" 100 000 maahanmuuttajaa muualle Eurooppaan

https://hommaforum.org/index.php?topic=100682.0

[Rauno Murju]

Suomen tulli on tällä hetkellä huolestunut kaljalaatikoista ja vodkalekkereistä.

[Pakkanen]

Taitaa Italian mafia toimia risteilyisäntänä.

Raja vuotaa, mamut jatkaa matkaa ja risteilyn tuotot jäävät "Italiaan".

Mikäs Italian lobbari tilanne on Brysselissä? Ylttääkö mafian auttava käsi eu parlamenttiin?

[Tommi Korhonen]

Ei minusta Italiaa voi syyttää siitä, ettei se yksin halua pitää kymmeniä tai satoja tuhansia sosiaalisia mamuja. Kukapa haluaisi, ja tottahan se on, että mamut tulevat pääasiassa EU:n eldoradoon, eivät vain Italiaan.

Tietysti vastaus olisi rajat kiinni ja Fortress Europa, ja siihen Italian minusta pitäisikin saada apua Frontexilta ja muilta EU-mailta. Keskinäinen nokittelu laittomien siirtolaisten siirtelyllä vain pitkittää ja vaikeuttaa tilannetta.

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Suomi voisi palauttaa jokaisen tulijan takaisin eikä kenelläkään olisi nokan koputtamista mutta Suomi ei tee niin.

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Suomi voisi palauttaa jokaisen tulijan takaisin eikä kenelläkään olisi nokan koputtamista mutta Suomi ei tee niin.

99% suomeen tulevista turvapaikanhakijoista voitaisiin palauttaa ruotsiin koska ruotsin kautta tänne tulevat.

Suomen pitäisi asentaa kasvojentunnistus järjestelmä laivaterminaaleihin ja lentokentille joka säilyttäisi datan vaikka vuoden verran ja kaikki turvapaikanhakijat ajettaisiin järjestelmän läpi ja kun löytyy matchi datasta niin sitten takaisin siihen maahan josta on tullut eli yleensä ruotsiin.


Kyseisiä järjestelmiä voi ostaa jenkeistä ja tulisi varmasti paljon halvemmaksi kuin tuhansien uusien tulijoiden elämän kustantaminen vuosittain ja näiden perheenyhdistykset suomeen.

Jos Itävalta ja Sveitsi ja Ranska pystyvät palauttamaan tulijoita Italiaan niin kyllä suomikin pystyisi palauttamaan tulijoita ruotsiin.
Dublin-sopimuksen mukaan tämä on mahdollista ja suomi voisi antaa ruotsin miettiä ovatko teleporttautuneet ruotsiin vai vaeltaneet italiasta koko muun euroopan halki.