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2013-02-03 Ranska: Kääntyminen Islamiin kasvussa

Started by Suomi2050, 06.02.2013, 22:29:46

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Suomi2050

Loput linkin takaa: New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/world/europe/rise-of-islamic-converts-challenges-france.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

QuoteMore in France Are Turning to Islam, Challenging a Nation's Idea of Itself

Every year about 150 Muslim conversion ceremonies are performed in the snow-white structure of the Sahaba mosque in Créteil, with its intricate mosaics and a stunning 81-foot minaret, built in 2008 and a symbol of Islam's growing presence in France. Among those who come here for Friday Prayer are numerous young former Roman Catholics, wearing the traditional Muslim prayer cap and long robe.

While the number of converts remains relatively small in France, yearly conversions to Islam have doubled in the past 25 years, experts say, presenting a growing challenge for France, where government and public attitudes toward Islam are awkward and sometimes hostile.
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There are persistent concerns that French prisons are fertile ground for conversions and for Islamic radicalism; observant Muslims are thought to make up a least a third of the inmate population, according to French news reports.

Many Muslims counter that they regularly face prejudice, and consider a 2010 law banning the full-face veil from public spaces and the growing concern with conversions as reflections of French intolerance.

Whatever the impact, there is little doubt that conversions are growing more commonplace. "The conversion phenomenon is significant and impressive, particularly since 2000," said Bernard Godard, who is in charge of religious issues at the Interior Ministry.

Of an estimated six million Muslims in France, about 100,000 are thought to be converts, compared with about 50,000 in 1986, according to Mr. Godard. Muslim associations say the number is as high as 200,000. But France, which has a population of about 65 million, defines itself as secular and has no official statistics broken down by race or creed.

For Mr. Godard, a former intelligence officer, it is the "nature" of conversions that has changed.

Conversions to marry have long been common enough in France, but a growing number of young people are now seen as converting to be better socially integrated in neighborhoods where Islam is dominant.

"In poor districts, it has become a reverse integration," said Gilles Kepel, an expert on Islam and the banlieues, the poor, predominantly Muslim neighborhoods that ring Paris and other major cities.

Many converts are men younger than 40, experts say, often born in France's former African colonies or overseas territories.

Vouti

Prislam ja diskriminaatiokäännynnäisyys nousussa. Islamilaisen avioliittorasisminhan artikkeli jo varsin ansiokkaasti tunnustikin.

      - Vouti

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Miniluv

Islamiin kääntyvistä 75% naisia ja vanhoillisimmat ryhmät kiinnostavat eniten.

QuoteSoumaya, née Aphrodite, is one of a wave of tens of thousands of Westerners who convert to Islam every year, more than 75 percent of whom, astonishingly, are women.  Equally surprising is the fact that most of these women gravitate to conservative Islamic groups – the more misogynistic and oppressive ones – insisting all the while that they feel "liberated" and "free."

Reading through dozens of stories of such women, one can't help but notice the similarities among them.  All claim to have embraced Islam of their own free will; yet an overwhelming majority, like Soumaya (whose story was profiled in the Dutch newspaper Het Parool), converted only after dating (or wedding) a Muslim man, usually – interestingly enough – a Moroccan (even in countries like England, where Moroccans do not form the majority Muslim population).

Others speak of "finding themselves" after years of wild drink and drugs – a pattern similar to that found in male prison converts, who often are  convinced by other Muslim inmates to seek salvation through Allah. They repeat, as if by rote, the same rhetoric about escaping the sexual objectification of women by adopting the hijab or full-body abaya, as if in their previous life it had not occurred to them to dress in maxi skirts or loose-fitting turtlenecks and jeans.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/staggering-numbers-women-converting-islam?ModPagespeed=noscript
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Quote from: Suomi2050 on 06.02.2013, 22:29:46
QuoteMany converts are men younger than 40, experts say, often born in France's former African colonies or overseas territories.

Useat käännynnäiset ovat alunperin Ranskan entisistä siirtomaista, tai muilta mertentakaisilta alueilta. Eli eivät valkonaamoja.
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matkamiehiii

#4
QuoteCharlie-Loup, 21, a student from nearby St.-Maur-des-Fossés, converted to Islam at 19, after a troubled adolescence and strained relations with his mother. He grew up Roman Catholic but had many Muslim friends at school. "Conversions have become a social phenomenon here," he said, asking that his surname not be used because he considered his conversion a private initiative and did not want to draw attention to himself. Some convert simply "out of curiosity," he said.

In many banlieues, Islam has come to represent not only a sort of social norm but also a refuge, an alternative to the ambient misery, researchers and converts say.

For Mr. Amghar, Islam provides more structure and discipline than other religions. It is a way to "refuse modernism," get back to a society with more family values and a clearer distinction between men and women. "Islam has a peaceful effect on the converts," Mr. Amghar said. "The world looks clearer after they've converted."

In Marseille, on the southern coast, "conversions have increased at an incredible pace in the last three years," said Abderrahmane Ghoul, the imam of the major mosque of Marseille and the president of the local branch of the French Council of the Muslim Faith. Mr. Ghoul signed about 130 conversion certificates in 2012.

Hassen Chalghoumi, the moderate imam of Drancy, another suburb near Paris, says he thinks conversions have also been propelled by France's official secularism, which he says breeds spiritual emptiness.

"Secularism has become antireligious," Mr. Chalghoumi said. "Therefore, it has created an opposite phenomenon. It has allowed people to discover Islam."

Tuossa jutussahan se kaikki oleellinen kerrottiin miksi he kääntyy. Feminatsismi ei yksinkertaisesti toimi, perinteiset sukupuoliroolit toimii,  Ranskan roomalaiskatolinen kirkko ei ole yhtä tehokas kuin Islam, siksi kääntyvien määrä jatkaa kasvua. Tämä on erittäin hyvä asia sillä se tulee tekemään tyhjäksi feminatsien seksuaalisen vallankumouksen, sensijaan normaali perhe-elämä palaa jalustalle.
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Sensijaan maahanmuutto on kohtuu haitallista Ranskalle, nämä kaksi asiaa on hyvä erottaa toisistaan.



Taikakaulin

#5
Liityy Ranskaan ja islamiin.

Brittiläinen historioitsija Andrew Hussey on kirjoittanut kirjan(The French Intifada: The Long War Between France and its Arabs), jossa hän ruotii Ranskan ja arabien ongelmallista suhdetta. Mietitään syitä lähiömellakoihin yms. Melko pitkä artikkeli tästä aiheesta kirjoitettu The Guardianin sivuilla:

QuoteThe French Intifada: how the Arab banlieues are fighting the French state

The secular republican world of France, the Muslim world of North Africa: how the bitter history of France's relationship with its ex-colonies is played out in the French capital is the subject of a fascinating new book, extracted below.

[...]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/23/french-intifada-arab-banlieues-fighting-french-state-extract
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