2012-08-19 Sveitsi: Pohjois-Afrikan t.p.hakijoiden rikollisuus kasvaa

[chacha2]

Koko Sveitsissä keskustellaan tästä räjähdysmäisesti kasvavasta ongelmasta, eli Pohjois-Afrikan turvapaikanhakijoiden rikollisuudesta.
Tässä haastattelu Zurich Kantonin turvallisuusjohtajan Mario Fehrin(SP, eli demarin) kanssa tästä ongelmasta:

Offenses by asylum seekers from North Africa have increased explosively. Other cantons tighten the screw and have announced task forces to take care of such offenses. Why don't  we hear the same from the canton of Zurich?
We have long had such a task force. Since the beginning of the Arab Spring in Spring 2011 the Social Work Office, Immigration Office and the Canton Police work together more closely to get the increasing crime under control. We do everything legally possible to ensure that the people of Zurich can feel safe. However, I reject the grandly announced measures done in media designed to reassure the population in the short term, but which are not feasible - or which have any effect, if you look closely.

For example, the cell phone ban for criminal asylum seekers?
I think nothing of it at all. In Lucerne they also previously spoke of it only, but it was not implemented.

Lucerne also does other things the other way. The Canton closes its new centers already by 22 clock to control the applicants better.
We have tested this idea with the Canton Police Department. This has strongly discouraged us. That would mean that on the night even more asylum seekers would stay in public spaces, especially now in the summer. That would bring us more, not less crime. I do not want any massarrests due to the vandalization of shop windows.

In Aargau the discussion focuses on accelerating and increasing criminal penalties. Also talks about this in the Zurich government?
We have discussed this . But the basic problem it does not resolve. Even though the penalties are twice as high: An Algerian asylum seeker who arrives in Switzerland, knows full well that he can not be repatriated because Algeria does not accept return asylum seekers from Switzerland. He has nothing to lose. That is where I do not understand the federal government: They could put far more pressure, and use this  as a lever with Algeria during the route in negotiating free trade agreements and say: We conclude with you a contract, we'll offer apprenticeships in Switzerland, but you take your asylum seekers back.

Since last week, the Canton of Zurich has applied known limitations: An applicant who, for example, is known as a notorious pickpocket may not leave his residence. Why these "curfews" only now?
The containment is a much sharper  measure than the means exclusion. Today we have a handful of asylum seekers who may not leave their communities. The restriction requires that someone threatens public order, the law specifically mentions drug trafficking. With the North African asylum seekers,it is mostly about thefts and burglaries. We assume that the courts a 'change of hearts' has taken place - the judges are now more willing to accept even such acts as the basis for a limitation. Therefore we can tighten this practice.

It is incomprehensible that the asylum authorities know nothing of criminal procedure, which run against asylum seekers.
We can only clarify this by opinion: The exchange of these data is banned today.

That can be changed. The question is: Are you fore (or against) this?
It would of course help if the asylum caregivers would know about this criminality and know who the criminal is. I would welcome. However, I can not imagine  the asylum supervisors themselves as a kind of auxiliary police, as is now required in part. A proportion of asylum seekers is unruly - as I said, these people have nothing to lose. It is the job of the police to enforce the criminal law.

With the federal government you are in dispute over contributions for deportation flights. Why do you want more money?
Our Canton provides these flights with a service for the whole of Switzerland: We organize 85 percent of all flights, to return the asylum seekers to their homeland. For that we get from the federal government 250 francs per flown out asylum seekers. But it does cost us a good 400 francs for normal flights and 1,700 francs for special flights with additional security personnel. The support on the ground is not even counted into that: Around twenty people do nothing more than to take care of the more than 6000 flights per year. This is not a pleasant job. We want to see full compensation for these flights.

You praise the Zurich asylum system and say the cooperation with the communities is outstanding. The citizens do not agree. Each new container settlement caused an outcry at the affected site.
The collaboration with the municipalities is going very well indeed. But the anger of the people because of criminal asylum seekers is understandable - it is absolutely unacceptable for someone to abuse our hospitality that we give him in Switzerland. Such persons  also reflects poorly on the majority of asylum seekers who behave correctly.

The Zurich SVP proposes to accommodate asylum seekers not in the communities but in a major few centers.
This exactly would grow crime. When talking about 1000 young men anywhere on the green grass in a masscenter, different groups would form and there would be conflict. These would be very difficult to control. Also, I know of no municipality in the canton of Zurich, which would tolerate such a center. For me it is totally unthinkable for a municipality to impose such a camp.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/stadt/Das-wuerde-Kriminalitaet-geradezu-heranzuechten/story/18114589 (käännetty englanniksi, parhaani mukaan, boldaukset omat)

Minusta on hyvä että asioista keskustellaan avoimesti ja että myöskin ajatellaan/huomioidaan sveitsiläisten omaa turvallisuutta ja mielipiteitä asioista.

[chacha2]

Viranomaisiin tyytymättömät sveitsiläiset ovat myöskin tehneet asialle jotain itse.
He ovat perustaneet 'vigilante- ryhmiä', ja itse ruvenneet seuraamaan turvapaikanhakijoita ja dokumentoimaan 'vääryydet'.
Kaikki eivät  tähän ratkaisuun ole ollut tyytyväisiä:

Swiss citizens have at times shown less interest than many Europeans in PC celebrations of diversity, as demonstrated by their voting against minaret construction (pictured below) and for deporting criminal aliens.

The latest is a neighborhood watch strategy moved to the next level by active observation of foreign criminals particularly asylum seekers, who are responsible for worsened crime. For example, as the video below notes, the level of crime in Geneva has increased by nearly a third, with most committed by auslanders.
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The article following is translated from the original French, Garde civique pour surveiller les requérants.
'We demonstrate our presence' / Vigilante group watching asylum seekers, translated on Vladtepesblog.com

In two St Gallen [swiss canton] townships, a group of annoyed citizens follows every step asylum seekers take. Now the authorities react.

'Sexual harassment, vandalism, noise and drug dealing are almost a daily routine', laments Hans Thoma about asylum seekers of the Landegg asylum centre at Eggersriet SG [St Gallen] in 'Reporter', SF [swiss state tv] programme. That is why he has formed a kind of vigilante group, together with a neighbouring village. 'We demonstrate our presence, we document through photos the asylum seekers' incorrect behaviour, and we report it to police', according to Thoma.

Now, the canton has reacted: On monday, Jürg Wernli, director of the Appenzell-Ausserrhoden [canton next to St Gallen, both with interlaced borders] Interior and Cultural Department, announced first measures – more positions at the asylum centre, additional busses for asylum seekers and security services at train stations. These and more measures are to be implemented, in the interest of the neighbours of the asylum centre – despite the 'palpable additional costs for the canton', according to Wernli. Thoma considers this a 'success of our engagement'.

However, Stella Jegher at Amnesty International warns: 'Such action like the one shown by the Thoma group could tilt towards discrimination, even racism, if this leads to a kind of prejudgement of certain groups.'

Dangerous vigilante justice

Members of the 'Informationsrunde Wienacht-Tobel/Schwendi bei [near] Heiden' follow asylum seekers living in Wienacht AR [Appenzell-Ausserrhoden canton] (see text). This is not the only kind of a vigilante group in Switzerland: According to the 'Zürcher Oberländer' [paper], in the Zurich Oberland a patrol service intervenes against burglars. In Geneva, inhabitants chased tricky conmen, of which violent conflicts resulted. That is why Beat Flach, jurist and national GLP [Green-Liberal Party] MoP warns of vigilante justice: 'Simply 'demonstrating presence' is at the legal borderline, the danger for escalation is great.'

http://www.vdare.com/posts/switzerland-neighborhood-watch-observes-criminal-asylum-seekers

Edit;
Swissinfon artikkelisarjaa kannattaa muuten lukea:
ASYLUM IN SWITZERLAND

In 2011, more than 22,500 asylum requests were made in Switzerland – an increase of 45 per cent on the previous year. Of these, 3,700 were granted – up 7.6 per cent. For some, asylum seekers are a drain on the economy and a threat to social stability; others, on the other hand, point to Switzerland's humanitarian tradition.

Additional issues include where to house those waiting for acceptance or rejection, how best to integrate those who get the green light and how forcefully to repatriate those who don't.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/specials/asylum_in_switzerland/index.html?cid=32136596

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Interior and Cultural Department, announced first measures – more positions at the asylum centre, additional busses for asylum seekers and security services at train stations. These and more measures are to be implemented, in the interest of the neighbours of the asylum centre – despite the 'palpable additional costs for the canton', according to Wernli. Thoma considers this a 'success of our engagement'.

Niinpä niin, puututaan oireisiin eikä itse ongelmaan.

[Marjapussi]

Eikös sveitsiläisillä ollut hiljattain ongelmia myös Balkanilta pesityneistä rikollisista?

[chacha2]

Eikös sveitsiläisillä ollut hiljattain ongelmia myös Balkanilta pesityneistä rikollisista?

Ei ainoastaan heidän kanssa on ongelmia.
Löytyy:
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,69697.msg986983.html (romanirikollisia)
ja
http://hommaforum.org/index.php/topic,71191.msg1029542.html ('ranskalaisia' rikollisia)
ja sitten vielä näitä

28. März 2012 - 13:33 - Schweiz nimmt Banden aus Italien und dem Balkan stärker ins Visier
Die Schweiz soll kriminelle Banden aus Italien und Südosteuropa sowie die internationale Korruption stärker bekämpfen. Dies hält die neue kriminalstrategische Priorisierung des Bundes fest.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/ger/news/newsticker/international/Schweiz_nimmt_Banden_aus_Italien_und_dem_Balkan_staerker_ins_Visier.html?cid=32376322

[chacha2]

Eilisessä Tagesanzeigerissa CVPn puheenjohtaja Christophe Darbellaylla oli huomiota herättävä blogikirjoitus. Kirjoituksessaan kristillisdemokraatti Darbellay nimittäin muistutti kaikkia siitä että turvallisuus on yksi Sveitsin arvokkaimmista asioista joten lisääntynyt rikollisuus pitää saada hallintaan vaikkapa joidenkin mielestä jyrkällä tavalla:

Deport criminal asylum seekers swiftly

It had such a pretty name, so many flowers and so much hope: the Arab Spring, which awakened the entire Arab world. But what is left of it? Some spoke very early on of an Arab Spring, which was shaped into an Islamist winter or of a democracy, which was replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood. Many young people who dreamt of a different future, used the opportunity to go to Europe. They rose up against the government, demonstrated and then left the country ... Meanwhile in Switzerland the criminal statistics exploded. In eight cantons crime has doubled since said Spring. The vehicle burglaries have actually increased by 1,500 percent. We must absolutely get this scourge under control and ensure the safety in Switzerland, finally it is one of our highest values.

They come from Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco. In the first half of 2012 came more than half of the accused from the territories of the Arab Spring, even though they only account for just 6 percent among the asylum seekers. This abuse without doubt shows the absolute necessity of a stricter Criminal Code: The daily rates must be abolished and short prison terms without parole should be reintroduced. In my view, any person who is a threat to our integrity and who seeks asylum and protection in Switzerland is to comply with the rules of the host country. For the most, this is also the case of course!

For others - violators, drug dealers and thieves - no asylum procedure is to be performed. In the event that it has already been opened, the person is to be turned away quickly and imposed with a ban of entry into Switzerland. This can make the left-do-gooders scream, but is necessary.

For the 2500 asylum seekers from Tunisia a simple, rapid and graded method is to lead in the way that allows an asylum decision within 48 hours, similar to that of the federal government in terms approved for asylum seekers from the Balkans. Coming out of these safe states people have no reason to seek asylum because they are not under threat in their country.

As in the criminal system, the great difficulty in the asylum system also lies in the identification of persons. I regret that the idea of ??Jura police commander Olivier Gueniat was so easily swept aside by the board of the Conference of Cantonal Justice and Police Directors. A DNA analysis and fingerprints of all asylum seekers would facilitate their identification in the process and be of great help in the fight against crime.

The CVP  is  since several years commited to everyday safety, to an additional 3,000 police officers and the strengthening of the Border Guard. It is our duty to raise their numbers, but also to provide the security forces with the necessary resources to enable them to do their jobs. In this regard, the costs of implementing the idea of ??Gueniat compared to the direct and indirect costs of the asylum system, or in comparison to the advantages offered by this would be modest. Those individuals who behave properly are not concerned, for everyone else, the charter flights stand ready.

http://politblog.tagesanzeiger.ch/blog/index.php/12688/fran-ais-le-printemps-arabe-les-fleurs-et-les-pines/?lang=de , Googlen avulla käännetty


CVP is The Christian Democratic People's Party of Switzerland .It is the fourth-largest party in the National Council, with 31 seats, and the largest in the Council of States, with 15 seats. It has one seat, that of Doris Leuthard, on the Swiss Federal Council.
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The party sits in the centre of the political spectrum, advocating Christian democracy, the social market economy, and moderate social conservatism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_People%27s_Party_of_Switzerland