Wikileaks: FINLAND: MUSLIM POPULATION AND DEMOGRAPHICS

[sivullinen.]

1. (SBU) SUMMARY.  Over the last two decades, Finland has
experienced significant growth in its Muslim population,
albeit based on smaller numbers than other European
countries.  In the last decade, the growth occurred mainly
due to refugee acceptance programs.  Analyzing that growth
proves challenging as the Government of Finland (GoF)
collects limited official data on origin and ethnicity per se
- especially once a resident obtains Finnish citizenship.
From an estimated population historically quoted around 1,000
in 1990, Post estimates a population at year-end 2007 of
around 40,000 based on statistics available for both mother
tongue and resident country of origin and birth, with
adjustments. That population reportedly has risen rapidly
since 2008, at the same time national polls now show a drop
in support for immigration.  One of the GoF's goals for the
second half of its term is to focus more on immigration
policy - integration, education and employment.  END SUMMARY.

ESTIMATING POPULATION
---------------------

2.  (SBU) Estimating the Muslim population proves difficult,
as the GoF collects limited ethnic data before a resident
gains Finnish citizenship and ceases tracking ethnicity after
citizenship.  It collects religious-affiliation data, but it
appears few Muslims participate in the voluntary registration
system.  Fewer than 6000 Muslims have registered; GoF
officials have told EmbOffs that most of the largest Muslim
immigrant group, Somalis, practice but do not register, so
that figure is clearly far too low.  Examining estimates from
various sources indicates a growth in population from a low
of 1,000 in 1990 to approximately 40,000 in 2008:

--1990 (Academy of Finland
www.helsinki.fi/teol/uskt/musref/into.html) 1,000
--1999 (Academy of Finland
www.helsinki.fi/teol/uskt/musref/intro.html) 15,000 to 20,000
--2005 September 12, (Helsingin Sanomat newspaper
www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english) cited 30,000 Muslims in
Finland, the largest group comprised of Somalis.
--2007 December 4-5 (OSCE Report) cited 40,000 Muslims living
in Finland with most holding citizenship, but did not
footnote the citation.

3. (SBU) Published population estimates vary and appear
mostly drawn from the range contained in the CIA World
Factbook, 20,000 to 40,000 (as of July 2005).  The cited
Factbook estimate broadly tracks with GoF figures based on
residents' country of origin by birth and nationality (see
paragraph 10), estimating approximately 20,000 by Country of
Citizenship and 46,000 by Country of Birth.  (NOTE: Such
figures are subject to additional uncertainties, e.g.,
estimates would be subject to adjustment based on percentage
of Muslims in countries of birth/origin, and GoF estimates
did not include figures from countries with a Muslim
population under 2 per cent. Also, the dissolution of
Yugoslavia and the U.S.S.R. creates differences between birth
and nationality countries.  END NOTE.)

4.  (SBU) Aside from country of birth and nationality, the
GoF also collects information regarding the mother tongue for
those residents who have not yet changed their "official
tongue" to Finnish (see paragraph 9).  Totaling the
(self-selected) languages with a high Islamic bias, spoken in
areas with an estimated 70 to 100 percent Muslim population
results in 37,475 for 2006 and 39,586 for 2007.

APPROXIMATELY 40,000 MUSLIMS IN FINLAND
---------------------------------------

5.  (SBU) One might accept the broad range of 20,000 to
46,000, or one might seek a single figure.  In arriving at a
single figure, post believes that a reasonable source is
mother tongue data, taking into account factors supporting
adjustments up and down.  Additions would include the number
of Tatars, the native Finnish Muslim minority, which the GoF
estimates to be 800.  The higher birth rate among immigrant
populations might suggest further addition.  Counted against
that would be an unknown number of non-Muslims fleeing from
Islamic states.  A reasonable estimate for the Muslim
population in Finland is 40,000.  Media reported in October
and November 2008, that at least 40,000 Muslims reside in
Finland; of these, one report said, 27,000 are immigrants,
9,000 to 13,000 are next generation and 1,000 are converts.
(NOTE:  These two reports did not reflect a source for their
figures.  END NOTE.)

MUSLIM POPULATION DEMOGRAPHICS
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6. (U) Based on additional Statistics Finland data on
"Citizenship of the population by age and sex 31.12.2006,"
immigrants to Finland - virtually all of the Muslim
population - typically bring a different population age
structure than exists among the Finnish populace in general:
Most immigrants are working age and the proportion of
children and young people with them is larger, explained by
families accompanying refugees and family reunification.
Finnish officials commented to PolOff that birthrates are
initially higher among immigrant families, but the higher
birthrate cannot be corroborated by the data, as live births
in Finland are not necessarily reported by mother's or
father's mother tongue or origin.

MUSLIM POPULATION BOOMLET?
--------------------------

7. (U) Finland may be experiencing a boomlet in its Muslim
population due to asylum and refugee activity. Somali and
Iraqi refugees comprise a large majority of asylum
applicants. In 2008 and likely in 2009 a large number of
UNHCR refugees will be Kurdish Iraqis and Palestinians.
Media reported that in 2008 a total of 4,000 people applied
for asylum in Finland with most of them arriving from Somalia
and Iraq; media also reported that the number of applications
is expected to climb to 6,000 in 2009.  Statistics from the
Finnish Migration Service support the reported trend; Iraqi
asylum applications grew 284 per cent for 2008 over 2007; and
Somali applications grew 165 per cent; Iranian applications
grew 82 per cent.  In a meeting with PolOff, a Helsinki city
official estimated that each of four ferries coming daily
from Sweden brings six asylum applicants.

8. (SBU) COMMENT.  The fast rise of a youthful, largely male
immigrant population during an economic downturn will present
a challenge to the government.  An additional concern is the
drop in public support for immigration, revealed in latest
national polls.  One of the GoF's goals for the second half
of its term is to focus more on immigration policy -
integration, education and employment.  END COMMENT.


MOTHER TONGUE STATISTICS
------------------------

9. (U) The GoF agency Statistics Finland issued a report,
"Population Structure and Vital Statistics by Municipality
2006," which presents the most detailed published population
data (October 2007) available for mother tongue statistics.

PASHTO:  317 nationwide with 150 in Southern Finland and 159
in Western Finland
ALBANIAN:  5,415 nationwide with 4,376 of those in Southern
Finland.
AMHARIC:  549 nationwide with 433 of those in Southern
Finland.
ARABIC:  7,564 nationwide with 5,568 of those in Southern
Finland, 1,240 in Western Finland, 474 in Eastern Finland,
265 in Northern Finland and 17 in the Aland Islands.
AZERBAIJANI:  261 nationwide with 165 of those in Southern
Finland and 93 in Western Finland.
INDONESIAN:  211 nationwide with 150 of those in Southern
Finland.
KURDISH:  5,469 nationwide with 4,237 of those in Southern
Finland and 872 in Western Finland, 113 in Eastern Finland,
199 in Northern Finland, and 49 in the Aland Islands.
MALAYALAM:  114 nationwide with 89 in Southern Finland.
PERSIAN:  3,529 nationwide with 1,944 in Southern Finland,
1,096 in Western Finland, 246 in Eastern Finland, 207 in
Northern Finland and 36 in Aland Islands.
SOMALI:  8,990 nationwide with 8,505 in Southern Finland, 336
in Western Finland, 73 in Eastern Finland, and 76 in Northern
Finland.
TATAR:  138 nationwide with 125 in Southern Finland.
TURKISH:  3,929 nationwide with 2,855 in Southern Finland,
692 in Western Finland, 191 in Eastern Finland and 187 in
Northern Finland.
TURKMEN:  164 nationwide with 90 in Southern Finland and 72
in Western Finland.
URDU:  679 nationwide with 546 in Southern Finland and 107 in
Western Finland.
CHECHEN:  146 nationwide with 98 in Southern Finland and 36
in Western Finland.

Total of these languages nationwide (2006):  37,475.

Statistics Finland "Statistical Yearbook of Finland 2008"
presents the most recent data nationwide (October 2008)
regarding year end 2007.  Many of the less widely spoken
second languages are relegated to "other" in the newer report.

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ALBANIAN: 5791
AMHARIC: 637
ARABIC:  8119
KURDISH:  5893
PASHTO:  364
PERSIAN:  3896
SOMALI: 9810
TURKISH: 4276
URDU:  800

Total of these languages nationwide (2007):  39,586


COUNTRY OF ORIGIN STATISTICS
----------------------------

10. (U) Statistics Finland reports (non-Finnish) citizenship
or (non-Finnish) country of birth for 2006, as follows
included:

Country/Citizenship/Birth
Afghanistan/2011/1738
Albania/104/124
Algeria/252/536
Azerbaijan/121/64
Bangladesh/606/736
Bosnia & Herzegovina/1599/70
Burma (Myamar )/403/287
Cameroon/201/193
Congo/40/--
Congo (DCR)/676/556
Cote d'Ivoire/--/74
Egypt/279/611
Eritrea/73/--
Ethiopia/383/1001
Former Yugosalvia/529/5214
Gambia/177/546
Georgia/51/--
Ghana/447/546
India/1990/2479
Indonesia/181/246
Iran/2602/3442
Iraq/3045/4436
Israel/328/624
Jordan/137/197
Kazakhstan/307/307
Kenya/459/578
Kuwait/--/83
Lebanon/100/440
Liberia/77/80
Libya/107/130
Malaysia/188/296
Morocco/702/1366
Nepal/269/309
Nigeria/572/657
Pakistan/540/770
Philippines/671/1129
Rwanda/74/76
Saudi Arabia/--/223
Senegal/58/78
Serbia/45/--
Serbia & Montenegro/3340/813
Sierra Leone/53/72
Singapore/48/99
Somalia/4623/5261
Sri Lanka/298/470
Sudan/976/764
Syria/140/304
Tanzania/207/303
Thailand/2994/4074
Tunisia/255/411
Turkey/2886/3708
Uganda/58/68
Uzbekistan/99/--
Zambia/76/105

11.  Contact at Post for further information on the data:
Lisa Conesa,email,[email protected]

BUTLER

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/06/09HELSINKI239.html

[Sakkeus]

Tässä toinen asiaa läheltä liippaava sähke, vuodelta 2005: http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2005/09/05HELSINKI1013.html

Erityisen vastenmielistä luettavaa oli seuraava kohta. Siinä siis sanotaan, että poliitikot eivät voi ehdottaa väestön vanhenemisesta johtuvan ongelman ratkaisuksi sitä, että suomalaiset tekisivät enemmän lapsia, koska sellaisen sanominen olisi rasistista tai seksististä. Nämä ovat pimeitä aikoja...

18.  (C)  Comment, continued:  Still, more workers will
leave Finland's workforce this year than enter it, and
demographers predict a serious labor shortage by 2010.  A
recent, slight increase in Finland's birthrate is
insufficient to ameliorate the problem in the short-term.
Politicians are reluctant to suggest Finns should have more
babies for fear of being labelled racist or, as in the case
of Prime Minister Vanhanen in 2003, sexist.  It seems just
as unlikely that Finnish retirees, workers, and students
will accept a reduction of the generous welfare state
benefits that they currently enjoy.  Given that, increased
immigration, whether from Muslim countries or elsewhere,
will remain an option and issue of sharp debate for the
foreseeable future.

Kuka muuten on/oli tämä Kirsti Westphalen, jonka sama sähke mainitsee? Tekstin perusteella ultramokuttaja. Halonenko tuon on paikallensa asentanut?

Westphalen's office may be small, but it
represents a solid start, and she reports that her access
to senior officials -- including President Halonen -- is
good.  However, her personal views about the inevitability
or desirability of mass immigration from Muslim countries
to Finland and the need for Finnish culture and society to
adapt accordingly are probably not shared by a majority of
Finns, in or out of government.

[foobar]

Kuka muuten on/oli tämä Kirsti Westphalen, jonka sama sähke mainitsee? Tekstin perusteella ultramokuttaja. Halonenko tuon on paikallensa asentanut?

Tällainen ainakin löytyy:

Counsellor for Foreign Affairs Kirsti Westphalen as Consul General at the Consulate General of Finland in Los Angeles as from 1 September 2008.

Westphalen joined the Ministry for Foreign Affairs in 1981. She has held positions in the Department for External Economic Relations, the Department for Communication and Culture, the Protocol Department, the Department for Development Cooperation, the Political Department and the Department for Africa and the Middle East. In 2005-06, Westphalen served in the Unit for Policy Planning and Research as coordinator of matters concerning the Islamic world. Her current position in the Political Department involves contacts with representatives of the Islamic world and intercultural and inter-religious dialogue. Westphalen's diplomatic career includes postings to Paris, Beijing and Damascus, and to the Permanent Mission of Finland to the UN in New York. In 1996-2000, she served as Chargé d'Affaires ad interim in the Finnish Embassy in Rabat, Morocco.

Ei liene paljoa sukset ristissä Halosen kanssa.

[IDA]

and
demographers predict a serious labor shortage by 2010.

Niinpä. Ainakin kymmenen vuotta poliitikot jauhoivat sitä, että maan pitää valmistautua vuonna 2010 iskevään, todella huutavaan työvoimapulaan. Ja varmasti todella innokkaasti valmistauduttiinkin. Nyt voi kai jo esittää kysymyksen: No, tuliko sitä? Esimerkiksi pääministeri Kataisen, jolle tämä oli yksi vuoden 2007 eduskuntavaalien suuria teemoja, vastaus olisi ihan kiva ylläri.

[Tommi Korhonen]

Kun on tarpeeksi uusi (USA) niin on varaa ja myös pakko sanoa asiat niinkuin ne ovat.
Tosin itse sanon että luvut eivät vielä ole hirmuisen isot mutta ainakin ne tuossa sanotaan suoraan. Eikä piilotella poliitikkojen poliittista korrektiutta. Tuolla tasolla jos käsiteltäisiin asioita myös medioissa.

[Leijona78]

In a meeting with PolOff, a Helsinki city official estimated that each of four ferries coming daily
from Sweden brings six asylum applicants.

Plus ne jotka tulevat lentäen....

A Helsinki city official estimated, but these estimates have not been officially released, except for this leak?

[lynx]

"Ei voi tapahtua Suomessa", ne sanoo amerikkalaisillekin. Mutta amerikkalaiset -jostain syystä - suhtautuvat tähän skeptisesti.

" Finnish authorities admit that given the lack of
assimilation and integration of many Muslims into
mainstream society, they have limited ability to monitor
extremist sentiment in religious communities.  In the words
of one senior officer in the Frontier Guard:  "We really
have little idea about what is going on inside these
groups." However, others argue that monitoring efforts are
limited because some senior Finnish security officials
simply do not believe that Finland could ever be a
terrorist target.  Events such as the London and Madrid
bombings notwithstanding, their thesis centers around the
argument that the Muslim population is simply too small and
too diverse to pose any real or potential threat.  As a
senior British diplomat has commented to us, "I have every
confidence that the Finnish security police would handle
any terrorist threat with the greatest efficiency.  I just
fear that they are not looking for those threats as
efficiently as they should."

[Embo]

Events such as the London and Madrid
bombings notwithstanding, their thesis centers around the
argument that the Muslim population is simply too small and
too diverse to pose any real or potential threat.

Onpa muuten tosi rassistinen "määrä tekee myrkyn" -argumentti. Lienee kylläkin tosi, oikein hykerryttää, että poliittinen korrektius ei sentään ole vielä suitsinut viranomaisten ajattelua.

[Vasarahammer]

Kirsti Westphalen on turbomokuttaja ja esiintyi mediassa taajaan rasisminvastaisissa yhteyksissä vuonna 2008.

Westphalen on ollut Ulkoministeriön palveluksessa ja hänen kynästään on seuraava tekele:

Monitori: Mitä pilakuvakohun jälkeen?

[RP]

Kuka muuten on/oli tämä Kirsti Westphalen, jonka sama sähke mainitsee? Tekstin perusteella ultramokuttaja. Halonenko tuon on paikallensa asentanut?

Eikös tässä ole riittävästi:

¶14.  (C)  A clear positive sign is the June 2005 creation
of an "Office for Muslim Outreach" within the Ministry for
Foreign Affairs.  Ostensibly the new office is designed to
educate Finnish officials from all ministries and agencies
about Islam.  The office (which currently consists of only
one person--  Director Kirsti Westphalen) organized its
first event last month, a seminar (largely drawn from the
Jabber presentation) for Finnish ambassadors who were
gathered in Helsinki for an annual conference.  Additional
seminars are planned in the coming months for senior
officials from other agencies.  Westphalen told Poloff that
eventually the GoF hopes the office will expand its
operations and chair an intra-agency committee to serve as
a policy coordination clearinghouse for both domestic and
foreign policy involving Islam.  For example, Finnish
development assistance for a large Sudanese irrigation
project would be first considered in the context of local
conditions and Koranic teachings about agriculture and
water rights.

¶15.  (C)  Westphalen's most ambitious plans involve the
domestic issue of integrating Finland's Muslims.  The GoF
proposes forming a type of "Finnish-Muslim Council" to
create a space for dialogue between Muslims and the
government.  Westphalen believes Finland can prevent the
formation of extremist sentiment by aggressively reaching
out to Muslim communities and bringing any radical elements
into the political process.  Rather than investigating or
deporting radicals, they would be made political
stakeholders.  Using the analogy of postwar French and
Italian communists having been "tamed" by their inclusion
in coalition governments, Westphalen says that it is
possible in Finland and elsewhere to reach out to
unpalatable elements in this way and influence better
outcomes than through a "policy of confrontation."
Proactive long-term strategic planning--  such as
identifying areas of conflict between Finnish and Shari'a
law and incorporating the latter in some way into the
Finnish legal code-- would be an essential part of such a
strategy.

[Embo]

¶15.  (C)  Westphalen's most ambitious plans involve the
domestic issue of integrating Finland's Muslims.  The GoF
proposes forming a type of "Finnish-Muslim Council" to
create a space for dialogue between Muslims and the
government. 

Puuh. Pelkästään tuolla neuvoston perustamisella myönetään se, että muslimien integroituminen on hs. "haasteellista". Westphalen ei tietenkään kysy olennaista kysymystä, eli miksi muslimeita ylipäätään tulisi maahan nykymääriä päästää.

Westphalen believes Finland can prevent the
formation of extremist sentiment by aggressively reaching
out to Muslim communities and bringing any radical elements
into the political process. 

Eli buddhalaisten tai sikhien pariin ei tarvitse mennä radikaalisoitumista torjumaan. Mutta ei tästäkään vedetä johtopäätöksiä maahan muuttavien ihmisten arvomaailmojen laadukkudesta.

[Roope]

Westphalen believes Finland can prevent the
formation of extremist sentiment by aggressively reaching
out to Muslim communities and bringing any radical elements
into the political process.  Rather than investigating or
deporting radicals, they would be made political
stakeholders.
[...]
Proactive long-term strategic planning--  such as
identifying areas of conflict between Finnish and Shari'a
law and incorporating the latter in some way into the
Finnish legal code-- would be an essential part of such a
strategy. 

En ole huomannut, että tämän strategian järkevyydestä olisi käyty keskustelua tai että siitä olisi edes viestitetty avoimesti julkisuuteen, mutta kieltämättä juuri tältä valittu politiikka näyttää. Uskallan toivoa, että tälle on tullut jo nyt stoppi.

[merirastilansulttaani]

Tuolta löytyy lisätietoa tästä mokuttajasta. On ensiarvoisen tärkeää tunnistaa poliitikoista ja ennenkaikkea virkamiehistä pahimmat mokuttajat.

http://www.facebook.com/kirsti.westphalen1

Facebook kavereita tällä on ainakin:

Alexander Stubb, Erkki Tuomioja, Ulpu Iivari, ,Arja Alho,,Jukka Gustafsson, Renne Klinge, Peter Davis,Mohamed El-Fatatry, Mohamed Abd Alstar.

[Embo]

Tuolta löytyy lisätietoa tästä mokuttajasta. On ensiarvoisen tärkeää tunnistaa poliitikoista ja ennenkaikkea virkamiehistä pahimmat mokuttajat.

http://www.facebook.com/kirsti.westphalen1

Facebook kavereita tällä on ainakin:

Alexander Stubb, Erkki Tuomioja, Ulpu Iivari, ,Arja Alho,,Jukka Gustafsson, Renne Klinge, Peter Davis,Mohamed El-Fatatry, Mohamed Abd Alstar.

Haha, tyypin Uutiset ja Media -osastossa on vain Al Jazeera, eikä mitään muuta (esim. YLE:ä, BBC:tä, mitä ikinä).

[RP]

"Office for Muslim Outreach" löytääkö joku jotain mainintaa asiasta suomeksi?

[slobovorsk]

Kysymys, kun en vieläkään meinaa uskoa todeksi. Jos jokaisessa tänne tulevassa ruotsinlaivassakin oli tuolloin kuusi (tänään kai jotain 3) turvapaikanhakijaa, miten helvetissä heidät on Tukholmassa voitu päästää laivaan ilman passia tai jotain henkkaria? Kyllä kai niitä suomalaiseltakin kysyttäisiin, ja ainakin alaikäisiltä vielä huoltajien lupia. Saako Suomen ja Ruotsin välillä seilaaviin paatteihinkin tosiaan nousta ilman minkäänlaista Ausweisia? Eikö Dublinkaan toimi Suomen ja Ruotsin välillä?

[Nissemand]

Kysymys, kun en vieläkään meinaa uskoa todeksi. Jos jokaisessa tänne tulevassa ruotsinlaivassakin oli tuolloin kuusi (tänään kai jotain 3) turvapaikanhakijaa, miten helvetissä heidät on Tukholmassa voitu päästää laivaan ilman passia tai jotain henkkaria? Kyllä kai niitä suomalaiseltakin kysyttäisiin, ja ainakin alaikäisiltä vielä huoltajien lupia. Saako Suomen ja Ruotsin välillä seilaaviin paatteihinkin tosiaan nousta ilman minkäänlaista Ausweisia? Eikö Dublinkaan toimi Suomen ja Ruotsin välillä?

Kyllä saa.. Juuri mentiin 3 kaverin kanssa laivalle, ja ainoastaan matkan tilaajan henkilöllisyys varmistettiin. Loput 3 saivat hyttikortin käteen ja sillä pääsi laivaan ilman minkäänlaista tarkastusta.

[LW]

Kysymys, kun en vieläkään meinaa uskoa todeksi. Jos jokaisessa tänne tulevassa ruotsinlaivassakin oli tuolloin kuusi (tänään kai jotain 3) turvapaikanhakijaa, miten helvetissä heidät on Tukholmassa voitu päästää laivaan ilman passia tai jotain henkkaria? Kyllä kai niitä suomalaiseltakin kysyttäisiin, ja ainakin alaikäisiltä vielä huoltajien lupia. Saako Suomen ja Ruotsin välillä seilaaviin paatteihinkin tosiaan nousta ilman minkäänlaista Ausweisia? Eikö Dublinkaan toimi Suomen ja Ruotsin välillä?

Sekä Suomi että Ruotsi ovat allekirjoittaneet Schengenin sopimuksen, joten liikkua voi vapaasti. Mitä taas Dubliniin tulee, niin kyllähän se sinänsä toimii (joskin hitaasti ja jähmeästi), jos tulija myöntää tulleensa Ruotsin tai muun eurooppalaisen maan kautta. Jos tarina on taas tasoa "lensin Kiinaan hiirien vetämässä kurpitsassa ja sitten uin tänne Itämeren halki", eikä Eurodacista löydy sormenjälkiä, niin minnekäs palautat?

[slobovorsk]

 ... sama vaikka sanoisi tulleensa teleportilla.   

[M.E]

http://www.facebook.com/kirsti.westphalen1

Facebook kavereita tällä on ainakin:

Alexander Stubb, Erkki Tuomioja, Ulpu Iivari, ,Arja Alho,,Jukka Gustafsson, Renne Klinge, Peter Davis,Mohamed El-Fatatry, Mohamed Abd Alstar.

On jotenkin kuvaavaa, että pikaisella katsomisella tädin kavereista ei löydy kuin ehkä yksi ei-eurooppalainen kasvo/nimi. Muslimeja ei Pia Jardia lukuunottamatta vaikuttaisi olevan yhtään.

Itselläni on suurinpiirtein saman verran FB kavereita, joista varovasti arvioiden 25% on "varsinaisia" ulkomaalaisia. Näistä noin kolmannes on muslimeja. Jostain kumman syystä minä en jaa Kirstin optimistista näkemystä. Rohekenen epäillä, että empirialla (ja parilla supernuivalla muslimikaverillani) saattaa olla vaikutusta asiaan.