Hallituksen toimet herättäneet kiinnostusta ulkomailla

[artikkeleitatarvitaan]

Suomen nykyisen hallitukset tekemät ratkaisut ja tiedotusvälineiden toiminta erityisesti ulkomaalaislain muutoksen yhteydessä ovat herättäneet mielenkiintoa ulkomailla. Minuun otti yhteyttä ulkomaalainen (Yhdysvallat) henkilö, joka tekee parhaillaan tutkimusta liittyen nykyaikaisten valtioiden uhkiin ja tuhoutumiseen. Henkilö käsittelee Yhdysvaltojen omaa maahanmuuttoa ja sen aiheuttamia ongelmia suhteessa piskuisen Suomen harjoittamaan maahanmuuttopolitiikkaan. Tähän mennessä tutkija ei ole uskonut sitä mitä olen kertonut Suomen hallituksen tekemistä päätöksistä, joten englanniksi käännettyjä artikkeleja tarvitaan. (Itse asiassa on ollut todella vaikea löytää yhtään englanninkielistä artikkeli Astrid Thorsin ulkomaalaislain muutoksesta.)

Englanninkielistä aineistoa tarvitaan pian. Älä välitä käännöksen tasosta, sillä nyt on kiire. Tärkeintä on saada tutkija tietoiseksi siitä, että hallituksen hyväksymä lakiehdotus on totta, niin uskomattomalta kuin se politiikan tutkijasta saattaa kuulostaakin.

Toinen suurta mielenkiintoa myös muissa kuin tuossa tutkijassa herättänyt aihe on suomalaisten tiedotusvälineiden toiminta. Esimerkiksi Helsingin Sanomat väitti vielä 25.2. että Perussuomalaiset vastustaisivat maahanmuuttajien työllistymistä. Onko faktatietoa muista vastaavista sumutuksista?

Tutkija mainitsi myös henkilökohtaiset haastattelut, joten jos olet valmis sellaiseen, ilmaise halukkuutesi.

En lue Homma-foorumia kovinkaan aktiivisesti, itse asiassa liityin vasta nyt. Artikkelit voit jättää varmaan joko tänne tai yksityisviestillä minulle.

[Kurvari]

Mielenkiintoinen viesti, olet tullut oikealle foorumille. Tervetuloa!

[Sosiaalinen konstruktio]

Samalla kannattaa kääntää myös hallitusohjelma ja siitä etenkin kohta "Suomi kuuluu kaikille asuinpaikasta, elämäntilanteesta, äidinkielestä tai etnisestä taustasta riippumatta."

[Miniluv]

Turhat läpät sitten heitetään pois tästä ketjusta.

Kävin läpi Helsingin Sanomien kansainvälisen painoksen uutiset tältä vuodelta ja keräsin asiaan eniten liittyvät linkit alle:



Helsinki officials and Somali community groups ponder youth crime issue

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1101981235864


Poll: Rural residents and blue-collar workers most negative toward immigration

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135244370465

Helsinki to set up two new refugee reception centres
Disused hotels to be leased by city

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135244279653

Survey indicates half of Helsinki residents believe the city's security situation has deteriorated
Study team surprised by apparent fear of immigrants

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135243785237

"What was new and surprising to the compilers of the study was the residents' opinions on the influence of immigrants on city safety.
      Of those who felt that things had got worse on the security front, no fewer than 70% listed immigrants as a reason for the development, even though this was not included as a specific alternative on the questionnaire sheet.
      Respondents were troubled by the increasing number of immigrants. Immigrants were also associated in the minds of those taking part with crime and disturbances."


Bishop wants immigrants to become decision-makers

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135243786416


2,000 immigrants with residence permits could face wait for placement in municipalities

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135243764022


True Finns' Timo Soini tired of accusations of racism

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135243652570


Finnish asylum policy attacked in Parliament

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135243627476


Vanhanen's vision: Finland in 2019 - borders mean less and parties show true colours

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135243602312


More immigrants coming to Helsinki region from Asia

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135242849415


Astrid Thors wants companies to help train immigrants

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135242695954


Few parties put emphasis on immigration policy

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135242670630


Surge of asylum seekers portends new record year

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/1135242670944

[mej]

Tuolta löytyi jotain jo valmiiksi englanniksi.

http://europenews.dk/en/node/17256

[Veli Karimies]

Ennenkun tulee nimiä paikkojoja en usko alotuspostista lausettakaan.

[Nauris]

Älä välitä käännöksen tasosta, sillä nyt on kiire.

Special Number: A new Aliens

Sixteen Volts
Gates of Vienna
Multicultural Madness in Finland
Vera's log
Velhametsä

[PK]

Google translatella noita saa kyllä "käännettyä", tässä itse esitys .
Näihin luottaminen tosin vähän niin ja näin. Esim. paikannimet voiva muuttua kokonaan toisiksi.

edit: Aamulehden alkuperäinen artikkeli näyttää kadonneen verkosta. Tähän blogiin se on nähtävästi kopioitu talteen.

[Nissemand]

"If there are no grounds to apply asylum or subsidiary protection  on the ground of section 87 or Section 88, Resident alien is granted a residence permit for humanitarian protection if he can not return to their home country or permanent residence in country of origin because of an environmental disaster, or the prevailing poor security situation, which may be due to international or internal armed conflict or a difficult situation of human rights. "

As we see, "humanitarian protection" does not require any individual, or personal persecution. It's enough that he comes from an uneasy area. It is clear that such criteria as the conditions of the article says is in every 3:rd world country. Asylum seekers from Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq are entitled to a continuous residence permit and family reunification.

Apinaenglantia :| kiitos ja anteeksi. Googletranslatella saa melkein samantasoista

[Lemmy]

Tossa nyt on ehkä enemmän Halla-aho jubia...
http://www.finlandforthought.net/author/hank-w/

[PK]

Nearly one Helsinki resident in ten has a foreign background, and speaks something other than Finnish or Swedish at home. Both the total number and percentage of immigrants among the residents of Helsinki is constantly growing, and by 2025 one in four Helsinki residents are expected to be of an immigrant background.

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Higher+employment+level+for+immigrants+would+save+Helsinki+millions/1135239942829

Lisäksi englanninkielinen blogi: http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/

[Roope]

UNHCR kerää maahanmuuttoa käsitteleviä artikkeleita englanninkielisinä referaatteina (Pohjoismaat, Baltia):
http://www.unhcr.fi/en/News/baltic_nordic_archive_en.html

Kuluvan kuun pdf-dokkari päivittyy koko ajan. Sieltä löytyy myös linkit esim. Ylen ja Hesarin englanninkielisiin referaatin pohjana olleisiin uutisiin.

Jos annat vain yhden linkin, niin tämä voisi olla se.

edit:

Nämä siis uutisia. Taustoittavat artikkelit sitten erikseen.

Perussuomalaisten todellakin väitettiin vastustaneen ulkomaalaislakia maahanmuuttajien työllistymisen estämiseksi. Lain läpimenoa juhlittiin sitten tämän väitetyn rasismin torjumisena. Oikeasti perussuomalaiset puolustivat juuri tuota työllistävää kohtaa laista ainoana järkevänä muutoksena.

Perussuomalaisten myös väitettiin muuttaneen mielensä lain suhteen vasta viimeisenä päivänä, kun se piti allekirjoittaa valiokunnassa. Todellisuudessa vihreiden vaatimuksesta lakitekstiin tehtiin viime hetkellä muutos, jota ei enää voitu käsitellä lainkaan.

Tästä tapauksesta Veltto Virtanen kertoi blogissaan. Valitettavasti Veltto kirjoittaa epäselvästi, joten muokkaan hieman kirjoitusvirheitä:

Alkuperäinen kohta, jonka hyväksyimme oli illalla esim. sodanaikana "hädänalaisuus"-pykälässä joka mahdollistaa turvapaikan muodossa: "vaikea turvallisuus- ja ihmisoikeustilanne".

Ja aamulla se tuotiin eteen muodossa: "vaikeasta ihmisoikeustilanteesta johtuva huono turvallisuustilanne".

JOKAINEN TAJUAA VIIMEISEN LAUSEEN KAPULAKIELISEN MUOTOILUN MAHDOLLISTAVAN MINKÄ TAHANSA "HUONOON ILMAPIIRIIN" VETOAVAN TARINAN MAHDOLLISTAVAN SUOMEEN SISÄÄNPÄÄSYN - VAI!?

http://perttivelttovirtanen.blogit.uusisuomi.fi/2009/03/20/maahanmuuttolaki-paljastui-heti-mokaksi/#comments

Maahanmuuttoviraston ja poliisin haluamat selkeämmät muotoilut ja esim. iänmääritystestien käytön määritteleminen laissa tyrmättiin:

Ja vielä kerran - alan virkamiehet HALUSIVAT SELKEÄN MUOTOILUN LAIN TÄRKEIMPIIN KOHTIIN!

Ja aivan kuin halveksien alan asiantuntijoiden vaatimuksia poliittiset päättäjämme "tekivät väljän muotoilun humanitäärisistä" syistä!?

Ja ajatelkaa - yksi lause mahdollistaa lähes minkälaisen vaan tulkinnan. Ja tätä varten tehtiin valtava alustava lainsäädäntötyö - ilmeisesti vain hämäykseksi?

Sitten oikeasti niin kuin eräskin bloggari totesi, suurin osa valiokuntalaisistakaan ei tajunnut mitä tapahtui - ja perussuomalaiset jotka tajusivat - olivat kuulolla ja valppaina - on yritetty kuin kostoksi syyllistää "yleensä koko lain vastustamisesta"!

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Vielä sumutuksesta ulkomalaislakiin liittyen.

Astrid Thors toisti lain valmistelun ajan, että lakiesitys ei vaikuta maahanmuuttopolitiikan käytäntöön ja että muutokset vaaditaan vain EU-direktiiviyhteensopivuuden vuoksi.

Nousseen kohun ja adressin vuoksi lakiesitykseen tehtiin merkittäviä muutoksia, mutta edelleen Thors sanoi, ettei muokattukaan laki mitenkään muuta politiikkaa. Tämähän ei ole loogisesti mahdollista, mutta näin hän väitti. Voin kaivaa Thorsin kommentteja netistä, jos tarvitset lähteet. Valitettavasti niitä ei ehkä ole kovin paljon englanniksi.

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Vielä yksi "hauska" kohta.

Astrid Thorsin mukaan kansainväliset pakolaissopimukset (Geneven sopimus, EU-direktiivi) pakottivat muotoilemaan uuden ulkomaalaislain täsmälleen nykyiseksi. Toisaalla hän on sanonut, etä vaikka Suomen turvapaikkakäytäntö on yläpuolella EU:n minimitason, niin Vanhasen hallituksella ei ole aikomus laskea sitä tuolle minimitasolle. Eli välillä ollaan siellä minimitasolla ja sitten taas kieltäydytään sinne menemästä. Ja jos alkuperäinen lakiesitys oli "ehdottomasti EU-direktiivin vaatima", niin miten se sama lakiesitys vielä karsittunakin saattoi täyttää direktiivin vaatimukset?

[Lemmy]

Lisäksi englanninkielinen blogi: http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/

http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/2008/12/astrid-thors-watch-minister-of.html


YLE

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/search/search.do?searchEngineName=lucySearch1&pageLength=20&optimized=true&includeSectionId=65&sortString=by_date_desc&publicationId=3&includeSubSections=true&articleType=NEWSARTICLE&articleType=CURRENTSTORY&articleType=THEMELIFTUPARTICLE&pageNumber=1&searchtype=basic&timerange=all&dateFormat=dd.MM.yyyy&atLeastOne=immigration

[Lemmy]

quote author=Roope

The True Finns indeed were claimed to have opposed the proposal for the new Alien's Act to deny immigrants the right to work. Passing of the law was then celebrated as a win over this alleged racism. As a matter of fact the True Finns were agreeing that the employability clause was the only sensible part of the whole proposal.

The True Finns alse were claimed to have changed their mind about the proposal only on the last day when it was to be signed in the committee. In reality the Greens demanded a last-minute change to the law that could not be discussed.

Veltto Virtanen MP writes about this in his blog:

"The original clause which we agreed upos was in the evening, regarding times of war in the "under distress" paragraph read: "difficult security or human rights situation".

And in the morning it was brought before us as: "a difficult security situation caused by a difficult human rights situation".

Everyone understands the last phrase legalese making it possible any kind of "bad vibes" story enabling immigration to Finland, or?"


The MIGRI and police wanted less ambiguity and eg. tests on the age of applicants which was denied:

"And one more time - the civil servants in the field wanted clear phrasing in the crucial parts of the law.

And as if they were not appreciating the demands of the professionals, our legislators coined up an ambiguous phrasing "for humanitarian reasons"!?

And think of this - one phrase enables almost any kind of interpretation. And for this was made a huge amount of legislative work - apparently just for a smokescreen?

Then in reality - as one blogger mentioned - the majority of the committee members weren't aware of what had happened - and the True Finns who did - were listening and alert - have been as a revenge been made guilty of "opposing the law in general"

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Also regarding the smokescreen about the law.

Astrid Thors repeated through the preparing, that the proposal wouldn't effect the practical immigration policy, and the amendments are there just to have the law compatible with EU directives.

Due to the uproar and the petition, there were significant changes made into the proposal, but Thors continued saying that the law even changed wouldn't change the current immigration policies. Logically this is impossible, but that is what she claimed. I can dig up Thors' comments from the net, if you need sources. Unfortunately there probably isn't too many in English.

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One more "amusing" bit.

According to Astrid Thors the international refugee agreements (Geneve accord, EU-direktive) forced to phrase the new Aliens Act as it is today. Elsewhere she stated that while the Finnish asylum policy is above the EU minimum requirements, the government of PM Vanhanen is not going to lower it to this level. So at times we are at the minimum level and at other times we refuse to go there. And if the original proposal was "as decreed by EU directive", how could the changed proposal be according to the selfsame directive?

[pelle12]

Tossa nyt on ehkä enemmän Halla-aho jubia...
http://www.finlandforthought.net/author/hank-w/

So much has gone and little is new! Olisikohan syytä haastaa tuo nainen postuumisti oikeuteen siitä, että levitteli rasistisia yleistyksiä suomalaisista (ja erityisesti suomalaisista miehistä)? Mongooli-tataariset esi-isät, juovat paljon, ovat lihavia, eivät osaa pukeutua, tuijottavat.... totta vai tarua?

[Lemmy]

The Finns, though intellectually most interesting, are not as a rule attractive in person. Generally small of stature, thickset, with high cheek-bones, and eyes inherited from their Tartar-Mongolian ancestors, they cannot be considered good-looking; while the peculiar manner in which the blonde male peasants cut their hair is not becoming to their sunburnt skins, which are generally a brilliant red, especially about the neck where it appears below the light, fluffy, downy locks. Fat men are not uncommon ; and their fatness is too frequently of a kind to make one shudder, for it resembles dropsy, and is, as a rule, the outcome of liqueur drinking, a very pernicious habit, in which many Finlanders indulge to excess. There are men in Suomi—dozens of them—so fat that no healthy Englishman could ever attain to such dimensions ; one of them will completely occupy the seat of an Isvoschtschic, while the amount of adipose tissue round his wrists and cheeks seems absolutely incredible when seen for the first time, and one wonders how any chair or carriage can ever bear such a weight. Inordinately fat men are certainly one of the least pleasing of Finland's peculiarities.

ei tosissans ole juurikaan mitää muuttunu tietyissä asioissa sadas vuades

[pelle12]

 Kuuntelin tänään YLE puheelta ohjemaaa 'vuoroin vieraissa', jossa kohta 20 vuotta asunut hollantilaismies totesi, että vielä 5 vuotta sitten yleinen ns. Finland bashing (eli Suomen herjaaminen) ulkomaalaisten täällä asuvien keskuudessa on menettänyt teränsä. Kehui nykymenoa (etenkin verrattuna muihin maihin) suurin piirtein maasta taivaaseen. Kritiikkiä sai vain liian pienet asunnot (vaikka tilaa on muille jakaa) ja tietynlaisen kansalaisaktiivisuuden arkuutta (suomalaisia saa kyykyttää mielin määrin).

[Miniluv]

tietynlaisen kansalaisaktiivisuuden arkuutta (suomalaisia saa kyykyttää mielin määrin).

Toiset viisi vuotta ja tuostakaan ei tarvitse enää moittia

[domokun]

Google translatella noita saa kyllä "käännettyä", tässä itse esitys .
Näihin luottaminen tosin vähän niin ja näin. Esim. paikannimet voiva muuttua kokonaan toisiksi.

edit: Aamulehden alkuperäinen artikkeli näyttää kadonneen verkosta. Tähän blogiin se on nähtävästi kopioitu talteen.

Suomi ja Google translate eivät ole toimiva yhdistelmä, käytännössä mikään online kääntäjä ei osaa Suomen aikamuotoja jne. koska ne ovat osa itse sanoja. Esim Japani kääntyy lähes ymmärrettävästi koska sanat eivät taivu ja sana järjestystä joka on erillainen kuin suurimmassa osassa eurooppalaisia kieliä muuttamalla. Suomen kieli valitettavasti täytyy kääntää manuaalisesti.

[possu]

http://europenews.dk/en/node/17256

Astrid Thors Watch: Minister of Immigration and Europe Wants Repeat of Sweden's Mistakes in Finland

The Tundra Tabloids December 11 2008

What is the woman thinking? Minster of Immigration and Europe, Astrid Thors has submitted a bill to the Finnish parliament for review and approval, that would greatly relax the tough restrictions in place concerning how the state deals with immigrants who are denied permission to settle in Finland.

Funny, Thors would never suggest such a bill to the autonomous parliament of the flag seen in the picture behind the Swedish Finnish minister. The good people of Åland, (Ahvenamaa in Finnish) would plant a boot on her backside and out the door she would fly.

According to Helsinki Councilman, Jussi Halla-aho, "The bill will possibly be voted on before the Christmas holidays, and most Finns have not even heard anything about the matter, (including the TT until yesterday) because the media, except for the Aamulehti paper, had not seen the benefit in reporting about it." According to Halla-aho, "despite Astrid Thors' claims that the bill focuses specifically on 'occupational migration promotion', this is not the case, the proposed changes in the law will be exclusively affecting humanitarian immigration."

If the bill passes in the Finnish parliament, what's in store for the future of immigration policies in Finland can be seen by simply reviewing Sweden's own immigration policies. It will be even that much more difficult for Finnish officials to repatriate individuals back to where they came from, once they fail to meet all the strict requirements for seeking asylum.

Halla-aho: "The new law will allow for a permanent residence permit to be issued on the basis that persons receiving a rejected asylum application, for technical reasons, can not be returned to their home country. The "technical" reasons, for example, are bad or missing transportion connections, travel documents or in the absence of a country's willingness to take them back.

It's relatively easy to see where such a policy would lead. Transportation connections to main countries origin for standard of living migration (like Somalia) seem to be lacking only in the case of deportation decisions. They seem to functioning quite well when it comes to asylum-seekers to Finland or other European Union countries arriving from the old country. Equally well, they seem to be working when the asylum-seeker's relatives are brought to Finland within the family reunification framework.

The deliberate destruction of travel documents to hamper investigations of asylum seekers has been a routine operation up until now. The new law will reward those detroying their passports with a standing residence permit.

It is clear that countries of origin are reluctant to take back their citizens, who are standard of living migrants, religious agitators, or criminals. The new law gives these countries a better opportunity to dump surplus or otherwise unwanted populations to Finland and the through Finland to the whole of the EU.

The pearl in Thors' bill is the fact that those who have committed crimes and are to be expelled, should also have the right for family reunification in Finland. Is it intended to fly the family of the expelled to Finland, and then send it to accompany the expellee back? Or is it designed to create a situation in which the expulsion decision will be forced to be repealed due to "humanitarian reasons"?

One begins to see the collusion that exists between the majority of the Finnish media, with political elites that are driving the same failed immigration policies noticeable elsewhere.
No rational minded person is against a person of foreign background (who agrees with a western liberal society) seeking a work place that already exists in the job market, but what rational minded person would want a situation in which persons who do not have jobs waiting for them, do not qualify as aslyum seekers, who are either criminals and/or basically unemployable, soaking up public benefits, as well as with their families flown in for reunification, and at the tax payers expence?

Well, there is a petition available online that is drawing signatures of those who dissaprove of the bill, which will be presented to a public official in the Finnish parliament. Anyone Finn reading this, please pass it along to others for review and signing.

Aamulehti:
Coalition Youth League (Kokoomus) calls for Immigration Minister Astrid Thors (SFP) to resign.
Youth Coalition chairman, Teppo Leinonen, says that the Minister of Justice Astrid Thors' understanding of the law differs so crucially from that of ordinary Finns, that she no longer had the pre-requisite to continue as a minister.
- Thors needs to be aware of this and resign.
The Coalition Youth League believes that Thors' new immigration law proposal is full of huge loopholes. The Coalition Youth League believes that Thor is proceeding with blinders on. Throughout the rest of Europe the determining fact is, that overly liberal immigration policy poses significant social and cultural problems. When the rest are moving towards a more responsible immigration policy, Thors would like take Finland in the opposite direction.

Slapdown for Auntie Thors. Parliament rejects bill that weakens immigration laws. Thors to go back on Friday with a new revision of the old bill.

[M.K.Korpela]

Tuosta Finland for Thought - blogista vähän. Poltin jo vähän päreeni posteissa 75 , 78 ja 80. Minun nimeni joka ei mikään erityisen suuri salaisuus ole ilmenee siellä. Mutta tuskin tuo mitään pahinta laatua on , ja näyttää joka tapauksessa siltä että Suomen anglo-yhteisö on silti koko lailla poliittisesti korrekti.

Vai olenko kirjoittanut jotenkin kehnoa englantia ?

Hank W:n ketju

Ei mennyt läpi eilen noin kello 11 illalla :

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#83 Andy Campbell:

***Hey Matti, your extremism does you no favors. To brand all muslims as criminals is really a stupid thing to do. So either you are pissed or just of low intelligence.***

Yeah. Right. Just right. Do you know how many times I've heard that ? In order to get a grasp on these issues , it is necessary to take a look at Stockholm geography and to what implications that geography has on politics.

0. Geography of decision-making

For starters , the decision-making regarding these matters in Stockholm happens "inside the tolls". Inside the tolls is an idiom in Stockholm describing the innercity area "innerstaden" which is limited by Skanstull (south) and Norrtull (north). The saying is that "everything south of Skanstull is Scania and everthing north of Norrtull is Lappland". This is the mindset of innerstaden , which consists of following districts :

Gamla Stan
Kungsholmen
Norrmalm
Vasastan
Södermalm
Östermalm

In order to live in innerstaden , you need to have MONEY. A flat there will cost you a zillion. And innerstaden is the place where multiculturalism is very physically located in , be so sure. You've got all the central actors with influence positioned here : the parliament , the universities and the journalists. They all believe in multicultural agenda.

1. Phase one. Ca anno 1990-2000.

One has now imported a large number of muslim immigrants to the city. These will settle down NOT in innerstaden but in suburbs. Some friction rises in the very beginning : the local white trash (of which I was a part of) living in the suburbs leaves complaints of the incoming muslim immigrants. Right as well , complaints are made regarding muslim immigrants' criminality. It is shown , in late 90's , that they are grossly overrepresented in crime statistics.

Now ... guess 2 times , which ones are the journos , academics and politicians (which all believe in multiculture) in innerstaden going to believe : the white retards or the muslims ? More like a rhetoric question , I'd say. Right as well , the crime stats are ignored , it is said that the overrepresentation is not statistically certain or some other pretexts.

Pay attention to the fact that the first areas to get in touch with these fenomens are the suburbs , such as Rinkeby , Fittja and likes. Too bad the messenger is the white underclass.

2. Phase two. Ca anno 2000-2009.

While the statistics stubbornly refuses to play ball with the multiculturalists , it is now admitted that yes , the muslims are grossly overrepresented in crime stats. But this where the department of sociology jumps in : that there are plenty of criminals in the muslim community is true , but this is due to powerty , joblessness and structural racism. Just make your pick - to suggest that the high crime rate is cultural is still an academic , journalistic and political suicide.

And still pay attention to the fact that innerstaden is NOT the area where the so to speak action is. It is not so that the high-income innerstaden is the first one to get the fruits of multiculture , and neither is it the second either - at phase 2 also middle class areas get to know the fruits.

3. Phase three. Ca anno 2010 ->

At this point , also the wealthy city centre with all the decisionmakers get a clue of what's going on. Too bad to reverse whats been done is too late. It's too late to call off all the appeasement to muslims. It's too late to call off halal-meat and other appeasements. It's to late to deport the criminal elements one has imported. You've bought it , moron.

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Having said that , I can however confirm that there IS a way to deal with the muslims , and that is firmness. After all , not all muslims are criminals as you say , so true. But the basic problem is that their culture simply does not understand the general pussyness. When you give in to their demands , they are not going to become nicer for that. No , in the contrary : that you give in is intrepreeted as weakness and as a green light to demand more.

Right as well lenient punishments for crime are also intrepreeted as weakness. They gave you 1 year in prison for a rape ? Oh , that law so means nothing. Did I get deported for that ? No ? That settles it , their laws are a joke. And they still pay me welfare ... I'm the boss.

So Andy , they are a very stubborn population you are dealing with. You simply don't assimilate folks from say , Morocco , by being nice , be so sure. They are not completely hopeless people , but you understand their culture exactly the wrong way around. All the appeasement , all the welfare and all the lenient punishments you give , they all make things worse. You mean to do good , but the culture you are dealing with works exactly the other way around.

[M.K.Korpela]

Hups. Onhan se sittenkin mennyt läpi. My bad.