2016-03-12 Ranska: Ensimmäinen anti-radikalisoitumiskeskus nuorille avaa ovensa

[chacha2]

Muun muuassa Beaumont-en-Véron ja Chinonin asukkaat saivat aivan hiljattin kuulla hyvin yllättävän, ja epätervettulleen, uutisen.
Tämän:

France to open first centre for deradicalization amid anger

France's first deradicalization centre aimed at freeing those who have been convinced by the ideology of extremist Islam is due to open before the summer - but not if the angry locals can prevent it.

The announcement about the new centre was made this week but the location of the centre had been kept secret. However, it wasn't long before it was leaked.

The centre, which will aim to convince people to turn their backs on extremism, will be located at Beaumont-en-Véron in the Indre et Loire département of central France.

It will be a kind of boarding school for radicalized French youths aged 18 to 30, who may have tried and failed to travel to the Middle East. It will officially be called a centre for "reintegration and citizenship".

The establishment will be able to accommodate 30 people for a ten-month stay, with possibilities of undertaking an internship in nearby companies. Participants will sign up on a voluntary basis and will have to wear a uniform during their stay.

They will be not be kept as prisoners and can return to their families at weekend. But the fact they will be able to wander around the area freely has concerned local residents and officials.

Hundreds of radicalized individuals have left France to fight jihad in the Middle East, with authorities increasingly concerned about those who have returned home.

Local mayor Bernard Château said he reacted "with amazement" to finding out the centre would be located in a former education centre building on his turf.

The mayor of nearby Chinon was more outspoken.

"My first reaction was anger," said Jean-Luc Dupont. "We have just learned that a centre will open here, but we were never at any moment consulted about this.

"We wanted this building used for young refugees and migrants in need of vocational training, not as a deradicalization centre.

"Imagine having to tell local people that radicalized individuals are going to be living next to them and to tell them 'it doesn't matter'," said Dupont.

"Talking of radicalized people is scary," he added.

One of those concerned residents, who asked not to be named, told Europe1 radio how they feared being the victim of a Paris-like terror attack.

"Of course the idea is scaring people. Everyone is afraid and asking lots of questions," she said.

"Shouldn't the army be handling these kind of questions," she said.

"Yesterday it was Paris, tomorrow perhaps it could be us. Obviously we are scared," she said.

Some observers have pointed out it is not far from the nuclear power plant at Chinon, where security has been ramped up like at other power stations and sensitive locations in France.

The local government chief from Indre et Loire was due to hold a meeting with local officials on Friday to try to allay their fears.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20160311/france-to-open-deradicalization-centre-but-locals-arent-happy omat boldukset

Keskuksen oikea nimi on muuten Pontourny (eikä The Localin mainitsema Pntourny ) ja se tarjoaa varsin miellyttävä asuinympäristö sen tuleville asukkaille (katsokaa vaikka kuvista ja videosta, jopa paljon parempi kuin Sipilän kotikartanon) .

Uuden keskuksen tavoite tulee olemaan  (vapaa käännös):
Keskuksen kolmekymmentä asukasta tullaan majoittamaan ja tarkkailemaan, estääkseen heitä tekemästä jihadia.
Keskuksen asukas pystyy uudelleenrakentamaan itsensä, uudistaamaan itsensä, saamaan uusia projekteja sekä löytää  itselleen työpaikan.
Hintalappu tästä unelmasta; noin miljoona euroa per asukas:

Trente personnes de dix-huit à trente ans pourront y être hébergées et surveillées afin de les dissuader de faire le jihad.

L'objectif de ces centres, dont chacun coûte en moyenne un million d'euros en fonctionnement, est de "permettre à des individus de se reconstruire, se restructurer, avoir de nouveaux projets et retrouver un travail".

http://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/centre/indre-et-loire/un-premier-centre-de-deradicalisation-en-indre-et-loire-949151.html


Jokainen voi miettiä  etukäteen mitä mieltä olisi jos tämmöinen keskus avaisi ovensa omassa kotikaupungissaan..
Olisiko se kiva asia?

Niin.

[chacha2]

Pääministeri on myös kertonut että :

...
Un second centre dans le courant de l'année   

L'ouverture d'un deuxième centre, également annoncée par Manuel Valls, devrait rapidement suivre d'ici la fin de l'année 2016, selon nos informations. ...  , un site avait déjà été identifié en région parisienne avant d'être écarté à cause d'un coût de remise en état trop onéreux. Le gouvernement envisagerait d'ouvrir une dizaine de centres pour ces deux publics à l'horizon 2017. ...

http://www.itele.fr/france/video/info-itele-le-premier-centre-national-de-deradicalisation-ouvrira-a-beaumont-en-veron-pres-de-chinon-156748

Suunnitteilla on muuten jopa kymmenen keskusta, joista toinen avaisi ovensa jo tämän vuoden loppupuolella.
Tarkoitus oli avata tämän Pariisin lähistössä mutta kustannussyistä tämä suunnitelma torjuttiin jo ja keskus avataan jossain muualla.
Missä on yhä avoinna (tai, no,  sitä ei ainakaan artikkelissa kerrota).

[Alaric]

Voiko joku muka vielä väittää, ettei monikulttuurisuus synnyttäisi uusia nerokkaita innovaatioita? Kuten nyt tässä tapauksessa anti-radikalisoitumiskeskukset...



En lainkaan ihmettele, että paikalliset vastustavat moisten terroristipesäkkeiden perustamista.

[Tabula Rasa]

Onhan heillä varaa.

[Toni R Jyväskylästä]

Minkä takia esim. buddhistit eivät koskaan radikalisoidu? Aina vaan muslimit. Pitänee kysyä Asralta.

[Alaric]

Minkä takia esim. buddhistit eivät koskaan radikalisoidu? Aina vaan muslimit. Pitänee kysyä Asralta.

Voisin veikata, että saamasi vastaus sisältäisi ainakin islamofobiaa, länsimaista liberaalihöttöä ja homoja.

[l'uomo normale]

Jokainen voi miettiä  etukäteen mitä mieltä olisi jos tämmöinen keskus avaisi ovensa omassa kotikaupungissaan..
Olisiko se kiva asia?

Niin.

Ei tarvitse ehkä edes erikseen avata. Onhan jo nyt niitä kaikkia mamuilla täytettyjä aikuiskoulutuskeskuksia. Sinne vain uusi koulutuslinja.

Toisaalta tuntuu että täällä Helsingissä avataan moneen tyhjään liikekiinteistöön mamujen/rajoitteisten/nuorten tms. päivätoimintakeskuksia tms hoitopaikkoja. Joku kansanopisto maalla ei varmaan kovin paljon suurempi muutos. Suurin huoleni on monien ihmisten ja tahojen joka aito tai viran puolesta näytelty ylimitoitettu usko suuren yhteiskunnan kykyyn halia kaikki kilteiksi.

[internetsi]

En koskaan lakkaa ihmettelemästä vajakkien järjettömyyttä. Ensin he luovat ongelman, joka sitten pitäisi ratkaista. Ensin otetaan sisään hankalaa porukkaa ja sitten heitä pitäisi alkaa muovaamaan. Vielä kun volyymit on tällaisia, niin eikö käy mielessä, että yhden vihadistin muovaaminen on helpompi operaatio kuin tuhannen vihadistin "eheyttäminen".

Sama asia, jos ensin heittäisivät kotinsa ikkunan rikki (luovat ongelma) ja sen jälkeen ostaisivat pattereita, makuupusseja ja tuulettimia kun on kylmä. Eikö olisi helpompaa olla rikkomatta sitä ikkunaa?

[MW]

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Suurin huoleni on monien ihmisten ja tahojen joka aito tai viran puolesta näytelty ylimitoitettu usko suuren yhteiskunnan kykyyn halia kaikki kilteiksi.

Paitsi valmiiksi kilttejä ja ystävällisiä. Heitä saa vetää kakkoseen vaikka millaisella parrulla, ja nauraa räkättää päälle.

On olemassa riski, että kilttien ystävällisyys loppuu, ja sitä ei sitten enää halita kuntoon missään keskuksessa...

[Tuomas3]

Luotan lääkkeenä jihadismi-vaivaan enemmän luotiin. Se on halvempi ja varmempi. Tuollaiset keskukset vain kannustavat radikalisoitumaan.

[Tapza]

Ainoan oikeasti toimivan anti-radikalisoitumiskeskuksen ovella lukee näin:

[Kivikova]

Ajattelin ensimmäisenä sanasta, "anti-radikalisoitumiskeskus", että kyseessä olisi kantaranskalaisille nuorille suunnattu "eheyttämisleiri", jolla estettäisiin ranskisnuoria radikalisoitumasta ilkeiksi "razzizzteiksi." Ehkä tällainen leiri on jo piirustuspöydällä Ruotsissa. Ehkä jo rakenteilla.

[internetsi]

Neukkula ei onnistunut mielisairaaloiden suljetuilla osastoilla kitkemään "kansanvihollisien mielisairauksia" toisinajattelijoilta, vaikka heidän ei tarvinnut välittää kakkaakaan mistään oikeusperiaatteista ja ulkomaiden reaktioista. Miten tämä sitten onnistuu Ranskalta, koska he eivät voi sulkea vihadistia suljetulle eheytysosastolle ihan noin vaan (kuvitelkaa se rasismimölinä) ja eheytettävätkään eivät ole mitään "Latvia itsenäiseksi" tyyppejä vaan hieman toista kaliiberia?

[Professori]

Ainoan oikeasti toimivan anti-radikalisoitumiskeskuksen ovella lukee näin:

Tämä on siitä hankala ratkaisu, että pois lähetettäviä voivat olla vain terroristien isät ja äidit. Eli maahantulleet. Nämä varsinaiset radikaalit eli terroristihan ovat pääasiassa Ranskassa syntyneitä. Siksi heidän karkottamisensa olisi ainakin Suomessa perustuslain vastaista - luultavasti Ranskassakin.

[Eisernes Kreuz]

Ei monikulttuurisuutta (eli islamilaisuutta), ei tarvetta millekään tällaiselle schaiballe.

Tosi yksinkertainen juttu, josta on kuitenkin haluttu tehdä helvetin monimutkainen, kiitos Hyvien Ihmisten aktiivisuuden kautta Euroopan.

Joo, on rasismia ja natsismia ja vaikka mitä kauheaa olla tätä mieltä. Mutta minä en olekaan Hyvä Ihminen.

Joskus sadan vuoden päästä ne harvat jäljellä olevat ei-muhamettilaiset eurooppalaiset saattavat ajatella, miksi esi-isät eivät noudattaneet aikoinaan hieman toisenlaista linjaa, kun oli vielä mahdollisuus estää maanosan islamisaatio.

[l'uomo normale]

On olemassa riski, että kilttien ystävällisyys loppuu, ja sitä ei sitten enää halita kuntoon missään keskuksessa...

Menin aikuiskoulutukseen, vähän painostettuna. Motivaationi oli puolinainen, tein käsketyt hommat (suunnileen) ajallaan, mutta kun jouduin mielestäni osin asiattoman kritiikin kohteeksi, jätin homman kesken antaen kymmenen vuoden pidätellyn nousta pintaan.

Jihadistien käsittelijöiltä vaaditaan todellista ammattitaitoa.

[chacha2]

Mistä tiedetään että kyseessä on "ensimmäinen" ?

Tarkistin asian Ranskan valtion kotisivuilta ja ...
tämä selvisi:

22 January 2016
Efforts to prevent radicalisation stepped up at local and national levels
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Having opened the first 'Centre for Acting upon and Preventing the Radicalisation of Individuals' (CAPRI) in Bordeaux in early January, Patrick Kanner, Minister of Urban Affairs, Youth and Sport, visited Sarcelles, in the Val-d'Oise, where plans to prevent radicalisation are being implemented.


As well as introducing a range of security solutions, the State is adopting a series of preventive measures aimed at creating customisable solutions giving all marginalised young people access to training and social and professional integration solutions. It therefore supports the launch of the CAPRI project, the Centre for Acting upon and Preventing the Radicalisation of Individuals, the only one of its kind in France, at a cost of some 45,000 euros.

"This is not a war of civilisation; Daesh is not a civilisation! When young people turn to terrorism it is a scar on society, as well as a challenge, and we need to create a Republican barrier to stop it happening. I have decided that the contrats de ville ['city contracts'] will also include an action plan for preventing radicalisation", the Minister of Urban Affairs announced at the launch of the CAPRI on 9 January.

The centre, conceived by the Muslim Federation of La Gironde, with the support of the City of Bordeaux, the Regional and Departmental Councils and the French Society for Research and Analysis of Mental Illness (SFRAEM), trains people involved in the youth and social sectors to identify the early signs and is trialling a method of psycho-social intervention among at-risk populations to help them escape from a position of victimisation.

The CAPRI adopts a three-pronged approach:


    receiving reports and supporting families,
    dealing with cases monitored by prefectural assessment units,
    circulating counter-discourse materials online.


The Government is also taking to Facebook and Twitter to promote its cause. Following the launch of the www.stop-djihadisme.gouv.fr website in early 2015, it is expanding the scope of measures to prevent and decipher propaganda produced by Islamic terrorist organisations via social networks. By creating a presence on all web channels, the Government aims to use the same tools as the jihadist propagandists to counter the virtual monopoly the terrorists enjoy on the internet, and more importantly to dismantle the indoctrination mechanisms which lead hundreds of individuals to leave.

Finally, on 18 January, Patrick Kanner, accompanied by the Swedish anti-violent extremism coordinator Mona Sahlin, visited Sarcelles (Val-d'Oise), the first town to adopt a radicalisation prevention programme. By April, 150 people working with local councils and other organisations will have been trained at the centre, with sessions designed to raise awareness among the various regional stakeholders set to begin at the end of the month. A resource centre will also be set up in the first quarter of 2016 to ensure that young people susceptible to radicalisation are monitored and the relevant counter-discourse produced.

This innovative initiative on the part of the town of Sarcelles reflects the minister's desire to supplement the contrats de ville initiative this year with a plan to prevent radicalisation. "The involvement of local and regional authorities is crucial to preventing radicalisation", Patrick Kanner said.

http://www.gouvernement.fr/en/efforts-to-prevent-radicalisation-stepped-up-at-local-and-national-levels  oma boldaus&alleviivaus, sillä se minun mainitsema 'ensimmäinen' keskus mainitaan

(Tässä lisätietoa CAPRI-projektista: http://radicalisation.fr/action_prevenir.php )

[Alaric]

Kyseinen antiradikalisoitumiskeskus ei oikein toiminut.

Keskus on suljettu muutama viikko sitten, rahaa paloi 2,5 miljoonaa euroa eikä ketään varsinaisesti saatu deradikalisoitua. Keskuksen viimeinen "asiakaskin" pidätettiin kuukausi lähtönsä jälkeen terrorismisympatioiden vuoksi. Melkoinen menestystarina.

Keskuksia piti tulla useampiakin ympäri maata, mutta tämä jäi nyt ainoaksi kokeiluksi.

Juttu on varsin pitkä, lainaan tähän osan:

http://www.lastampa.it/2017/09/02/esteri/lastampa-in-english/what-we-can-learn-from-frances-failed-deradicalization-center-s126MYkCYw329OcwUd1UcJ/pagina.html (2.9.2017)

What we can learn from France's failed deradicalization center

Political, rushed center cost the country 2.5 million euro and did not deradicalize a single individual

It was a national première, the first of its kind, and probably the last. France's unique deradicalization center, or Center for Prevention, Integration and Citizenship closed a few weeks ago, and here's what we can learn from it. 

In September 2016, France's first experimental deradicalization center opened in the small village of Beaumont-en-Véron, a township of less than 3000 inhabitants in the Loire region. The Pontourny center was designed as a boot camp for individuals in the process of being radicalized. The project was supposed to be the first of 12 others around the country, but it ended up being quite short-lived - less than a year later, on July 28th, the Ministry of Interior issued a press release:

''The experimentation of an open center, working on a voluntary basis, has shown its own limit," the release said," the Government has thus decided to end the experimentation taking place in Pontourny.''

As attendance was voluntary, the government explained the decision by the lack of participants. There are currently about 15,000 individuals in France believed to be in the process of radicalization, and as the country is moving towards a different approach, looking back at Pontourny means learning from a rushed, political and expensive center that had no magic solution to France's problem.

Shock therapy: Wrong approach
 
The Pontourny center was named after the family that donated the 18th Century castle to the French state at the beginning of the 20th Century, on the premise that it would be used for a charitable organization. It hosted different types of centers, and started its new life in September about a year ago. 

Behind the doors of that large, white domain was a center with a full capacity of 30 people, with 25 employees surrounding them. Local authorities around the country could refer individuals they believed were radicalizing and then these youths could decide to go or not.

The program was supposed to be ten months long, where young adults aged 18-30 would meet with psychologists, psychiatrists, special educators, and Imams to help them redress their thinking and behavior. Participants would discuss philosophy, history, religion and Internet, and had to take part in physical activities to prepare them or their return to their normal life.

'Patients' had to wear the same uniform, take part in military drills and sing La Marseillaise, France's National Anthem. This type of strict daily routine is used in other types of centers in France, for young offenders. The only difference with Pontourny: these are not voluntary.

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"Obviously, trying to counter-radicalize these individuals exclusively through the frontal confrontation with democratic values is ineffective," he says, "what we have to do, I believe, is to work where the sources of the problem are and on prevention efforts.''

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A Rushed process 

When the Government announced the creation of Pontourny, many citizens from Beaumont-en-Véron felt unsettled by the idea of having a "Jihad Academy" next door. Local authorities, including the city mayor, weren't consulted beforehand, and criticized the Government's decision. Concerns escalated in September, when a local newspaper in the Nord-Pas-De-Calais ran an article on a young ''Fiché S'' wanting to start over by going to the center. ''Fiché S'' means an individual that is a threat to national security. 

When the government announced the creation of Pontourny, citizens reacted by creating an association called radicalement digne de Pontourny, or radically worthy of Pontourny, to denounce the high cost of the Center, its inefficacy, as well as the threat to the village's security.

"The Government made a mistake in this process because it wasn't discussed beforehand with people living there and this is actually something of importance in the prevention work area," Uhlmann said, "They have to be authentic and all stakeholders have to be involved."

When Senator Esther Benbassa visited the center to write her report on deradicalization efforts in France in February 2017, there were 25 staff working for only one last patient. That last individual ended up being arrested a month later for ''apology of terrorism,'' a term related to sympathy with terrorism acts. 

By the end of February, under political turmoil and a lack of participants, the center was running without any patient in it, and it was the beginning of the slow death of Pontourny. However, with an electoral campaign on the way, the agony of the center was prolonged until a new President was in office. 

(...)

And as more money was being invested in anti-radicalization measures, more individuals got interested, and specialized, in the matter. This phenomenon created what Senator Benbassa calls the business of radicalization. In France, many association struggled to get money from the government in the last few years, and new associations were created because the government was pouring money in that field.

"At some point some vendeurs de miracles (miracle sellers) emerged in France," Dantinne says, "and they were successful in convincing leaders that their model worked without having clear proof of their success."

The field of deradicalization was and still is a new one and even experts today do not agree on how to best address the issue. Even the world ''deradicalization'' is controversial in itself. Still, Pontourny was created on the premise that one ideology could replace another. 

The power of thinking things through
 
Last July, Senator Benbassa and her colleague from the Republican Party Catherine Troendlé released their report, and dug the grave of Pontourny. The report called '''Radicalization' policies in France: Changing the paradigm, recommended "putting an end to Pontourny's experiment, and renouncing to its generalization." 

On July 28th, the Ministry of Interior issued a press release announcing its closure. Now, the country is looking at what else it can do on the matter, and the report is setting the tone for it. It suggests looking abroad. Milena Uhlmann believes that an individualized approach, like Denmark's and Germany's, have proven more successful, and they also tend to be much cheaper for taxpayers. This approach, of course, also avoids the ''Jihad Academy'' problem. Experts also believe the prevention work need to address the deeper roots of radicalization in society.

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''They need to learn critical thinking at school and this is a concrete policy that prevents radicalization, but it is less attractive than opening a deradicalization center or a prison, because results are hard to measure. They are efforts that require 15 or 20 years, which is unattractive for politicians," Dantinne explains. 

The way forward 

France's experiment may be considered as a failure by many, but it is also a learning opportunity. The center showed how reactionary policies in issues as deep-rooted as radicalization and deradicalization cannot work. Deradicalization it is part of a prevention work, and addressing the issue of marginalization requires time and vision. As many other countries, like Italy, move forward towards having their own anti- radicalization policies, experts note they should focus on the prevention aspect of it:

"There hasn't been a terrorist attack yet in Italy. Before such an attack there is still some time to think things through in a serious manner. But it would not be advisable to act without proper knowledge of the situation. In Italy's case it is late, but not too late," Ulhmann says.

[rooster]

Veikkaan suomalaisesta Radinet -hankkeesta samanlaista menestystarinaa paitsi, että rahaa tulee palamaan huomattavasti enemmän kuin tuo 2,5 miltsiä ennen kuin hanke unohdetaan kaikessa hiljaisuudessa ja keksitään uusi menestystarina mistä samat puhuvat pääsevät julistamaan kuinka ongelmat ratkeaa kun vähän saadaan resursseja.