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2018-06-21 Espanja/Saksa: Marokkolainen murhasi "Refugees Welcome"-aktivistin

Started by newspeak, 22.06.2018, 12:28:51

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Mr.Reese

Tässäkin uhri eli marokkolainen joutui tiedostamattoman rasismin uhriksi ja siksi hänen piti taistella vääryyttä vastaan ja pilkkoa rasistisia rakenteita edustava oletettu vaikkei oletettu rasisti ollutkaan.
"Heille kun sanoo disko disko, niin he ovat silleen, että mennään." - Tiia Nohynek

"Yleensä vauvat ja mummot on parhaita mielenosoittajia, koska luovat kuin itsestään turvallista tilaa." - Marjaana Toiviainen

Ernst

Quote from: simppali on 23.06.2018, 02:06:26
Jollain tavalla ymmärrän ja tajuan erilaisten mc porukoiden keskinäiset "kunnia" kysymykset,kuten myös "tummien", mutta jos pelkkä uskominen johonkin jumalaan tekee ihmisestä tappajan, niin siinä jumalassa on paljon vikaa.

Näin ei kai saisi sanoa, koska kiihotus, mutta myös siinä opissa ja sen seuraavissa on paljon vikaa.
Det humana saknas helt hos Sannfinländarna.
Ihmisyys puuttuu kokonaan perussuomalaisilta.
-Anna-Maja Henriksson (r.)

ämpee

Tämä tapaus on hyvin samankaltainen kuin oli se Turkissa raiskattu ja tapettu morsiuspuvussa liikkunut liftaaja.
Liftaajien puolelta kyseessä on ekologinen umpikuja ja darvinistinen valinta, tappajien puolelta kyseessä on ekologinen umpikuja ja darvinistinen valinta.

Toimiikohan jonkinlainen kohtaamisteoria näissä tapauksissa ??
Jäseneltä Hohtava Mamma: "Logiikka ei ole koskaan ollut suvakkien vahvin laji. Eivät he muuten olisi suvakkeja."

Hermit

Quote from: ämpee on 23.06.2018, 11:42:07
Liftaajien puolelta kyseessä on ekologinen umpikuja ja darvinistinen valinta, tappajien puolelta kyseessä on ekologinen umpikuja ja darvinistinen valinta.

Karmiva tapaus kaikkiaan, mutta laihana lohtuna voitaneen pitää sitä, että kukaties luonnonvalinta karsii äärisuvakit pois geenipoolista. Varjopuolena voi ehkä syntyä joku kaamea hybridi...  ???
Anta caickien cuckien cuckia waan.
- Ganander

kriittinen_ajattelija

QuoteHer friends and family members obviously share the same deeply-imprinted left-wing mindset as Sophia. Her brother seems more concerned about her case being used as ammunition by racists than about the actual murder of his sister.

"Unfortunately, lurid articles are still circulating on the internet and Sophia's case is being used to create a mood against immigration policy, against foreigners and an open society. These media sentiments and the many self-righteous comments can hardly be surpassed in abomination," a group of friends wrote on social media.

Her brother, who first reported her missing, wrote in a public letter: "Sophia would under no circumstances want racist agitation to take place at her expense, as has already happened in some cases."

Another comment from her "friends":

"Whatever has happened to Sophia, it is definitely not the result of the apparent difference in cultures"

https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2018/06/22/germany-even-after-your-sister-has-been-raped-and-murdered-the-brainwashing-persists/
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Master Yoda

Tulevaisuus

Luonnon valinta on julmaa ja tässä tuli oikein kunnolla epäonnea, tämänkin olisi voinut vältää jos järki olisi riitänyt.
Ikävä tapaus taas kerran.

newspeak

Tapaus on varoittava esimerkki liftaamisen vaaroista. En millään saa päähäni, miten joku voi pitää liftaamista hyvänä ajatuksena, jos niin ei joudu tekemään olosuhteiden pakosta. Ehkä pummin leikkiminen on jotain seikkailunhaluisuutta tai kapinaa. Tuskin oli ensimmäinen kerta, kun Lösche matkusti liftaamalla. Luulisi ilmeisesti hyvissä oloissa kasvanutta nuorta naista olevan joskus varoitettu harrastuksensa vaaroista.

Nyt tulella leikkiminen johti palaneeseen ruumiiseen.

Näin kesällä saa taas nähdä resuisia matkailijoita kyltteineen tien sivussa. Ohi ajaessa käy usein mielessä, keitähän hekin oikein ovat ja kuka heidät lopulta poimii kyytiinsä.

Pekka Kemppainen

Quote from: newspeak on 23.06.2018, 18:17:33
Tuskin oli ensimmäinen kerta, kun Lösche matkusti liftaamalla. L

Ikänsä puolesta on voinut liftailla esm. 10 vuotta sitten. Jos on jäänyt maailman muuttuminen huomaaamatta? Ei Eurooppa ole enää sitä mitä joskus.

newspeak

Konekäännöstä uutisseurannasta tältä päivää:

QuoteUpdate from June 23rd

12:25:

In the case of the missing hitchhiker Sophia L., the Spanish police investigated the vehicle of the suspect arrested in the south of the country in search of evidence. Above all, they inspected the driver's cab of the 41-year-old man's lorry, the news agency Europa Press quoted a spokesman for the Guardia Civil (civil guard) police unit. New findings on the investigation were not available on Saturday at first.

When the man was arrested on Tuesday near the town of Carboneros in the province of Jaén, they had to put out a fire in the driver's cab, police said. The authorities therefore suspect that the suspect may have wanted to burn evidence. When interrogated by the competent judge at the National Constitutional Court in Madrid, the suspect on Friday accepted a transfer to the German authorities, as the German press agency learned from Spanish legal circles. An arrest warrant was issued against the man without the right of release.

Reports of the Basque newspaper "El Correo" and the TV channel Cuatro, according to which the man "allegedly" collapsed during the interrogation, confessed the offense and pointed to the location of the corpse were not confirmed. The Spanish police discovered a woman's body in the Basque Country in the northeast of the country on Thursday, which investigators suspect could be the body of 28-year-old student Sophia L.

10.38 Clock: In the case of missing for more than a week hitchhiker Sophia L. the investigators do not expect a quick identification of the body found in Spain. At present, a DNA profile of the student from Sophia Sophia is created in Germany, which is then transmitted to the Spanish authorities for comparison, said a police spokesman in Bayreuth on Saturday the German Press Agency. When the identity of the corpse found in the Basque Country was determined, it is hard to estimate at the moment, but: "We do not expect identification on the weekend."

Eiliseltä otos:

QuoteUpdate from June 22, 2018

18:27: Sophia L., former chairman of the Juso in Bamberg, according to her brother, hitchhiked more often. The gas station where it was last seen is a popular truck stop for truckers. Hitchhikers can often be seen in the student city of Leipzig at other access roads to the main roads and freeways. The Tramper-Verein Abgefahren e.V., founded in 2007, is dismayed by the disappearance of the student. A spokesman explains, however, to the safety of the Trampens: "We are known since the existence of the association no further cases of this kind in Germany."

16.00 clock: The disappeared a week ago hitchhiker Sophia L. has apparently been killed in Upper Franconia. (Oberfranken) This indicates the evaluation of the GPS data of the truck of the arrested suspect, as prosecutors and police announced on Friday in Bayreuth. Also, the location of a previously unidentified female body in northern Spain is covered with the route of the suspect.

The identification of the dead is in the hands of the Spanish authorities, which initiated a forensic examination. The German investigators therefore want to create a DNA profile of 28-year-olds and submit this to the Spanish authorities for the investigation of the remains.

The Basque investigators believe that the dead are Sophia L. On Tuesday, a 41-year-old suspect was arrested in Spain. His truck had burned out a short distance before, as the investigators in Bayreuth announced.

Since the crime scene is probably in Bayreuth, the investigators in Bayreuth have taken over the case.

Loput: https://www.tz.de/welt/vermisste-sophia-l-tramperin-wohl-an-tankstelle-in-spanien-tot-aufgefunden-zr-9962702.html

Englanninkielisistä medioista Breitbart kertoo tapauksesta. Erillistä katsausta en ole tehnyt. Uhriin viitataan saksankielisessä mediassa nimellä "Sophia L" ja uhrin kasvot on sensuroitu usealla sivustolla jälkikäteen. Breitbartista:

QuoteMoroccan Migrant Truck Driver Arrested Over Murder of Young Pro-Migrant Activist Woman

The body of a 28-year-old female hitchhiker from Germany has been found in Spain following the arrest of a Moroccan truck driver believed to have been involved in her murder.

German Sophia Lösche went missing on the 14th of June after she got in a truck while attempting to hitchhike from Leipzig to Amberg in Bavaria, according to investigators. Her body was found Thursday evening near a petrol station just outside the Spanish city of Bilbao, Bavarian tabloid Tz reports.

...

The killing is not the first time a pro-migrant activist has been allegedly murdered by a foreign national in Germany. In December 2016, 19-year-old Maria Ladenburger was raped and murdered by Afghan asylum seeker Hussein Khavari who claimed to be underage but was later revealed to be an adult. He was given a life sentence for the murder in March 2018.

E: Lisätty lainaus Breitbartista. Jäljitin aikani kuluksi raiskaussyytöstä. Jihad Watch käytti Searchlight Germany-sivustoa toissijaisena lähteenään, mutta uutislähteistä ei ole toistaiseksi löytynyt lauseen "Der Auführende der Straftat hatte die Absicht, sie zu vergewaltigen" tueksi mitään ja Spencer jättää myös asian mainitsematta. Suhtautuisin mahdolliseen raiskaukseen tai sen yritykseen toistaiseksi varauksella tässä tapauksessa. Maininta on saatettu poistaa varsinaisten uutisten yhteydestä jälkikäteen tai se on lisätty jostain käsittämättömästä syystä osaksi kirjoitusta uutista levitettäessä. Tähän liittyen voi tulla myöhemmin esille jotain joko tutkinnan tai oikeudenkäynnin osana, joten aika näyttää jos on näyttääkseen, oliko väitteellä perää.

Leijona78

Tällä sivustolla on melko ikäviä kuvia asiaan liittyen. En tiedä ovatko nuo kaksi sensuroitua kuvaa a) tekijästä ja b) uhrista löytöhetkellä.

http://www.truth24.net/marokkanischer-armutsmigrant-ermordet-und-schaendet-spd-sophia-l/
"Jokainen ihminen jolla on järkeä päässä on jollain tapaa maahanmuuttokriittinen. Eihän kukaan halua avata niitä rajoja kaikille missään tapauksessa" -Umayya Abu-Hanna

"Liberaalin demokratian olisi uskallettava vetää rajat omalle suvaitsevaisuudelleen" - Markku Jokisipilä

Tulevaisuus

Quote from: Leijona78 on 23.06.2018, 21:56:21
Tällä sivustolla on melko ikäviä kuvia asiaan liittyen. En tiedä ovatko nuo kaksi sensuroitua kuvaa a) tekijästä ja b) uhrista löytöhetkellä.

http://www.truth24.net/marokkanischer-armutsmigrant-ermordet-und-schaendet-spd-sophia-l/

Miksi tuo kuva on sensuroitu, sehän kertoo aika karulla tavalla todellisuudesta. Onko nykyinen todellisuus liian hapokasta vai mikä on syynä. Jos halutaan mokuttaa niin näytetään seuraukset ilman peittelyä.

Outo olio

Nää on näitä juttuja että peruskoulun yhteiskuntaopin tunnilla pitäisi kertoa näistä ihan selvästi. "Näin äänestät vaaleissa" "miten haet asuntolainaa/teet muita sopimuksia" "monikulttuurisissa tilanteissa selviäminen". :-\
Suvaitsevaisen ajattelun yhteenveto: Suomessa Suomen kansalaiset rikkovat Suomen lakeja. Myös muiden maiden kansalaisten on päästävä Suomeen rikkomaan Suomen lakeja. Tämä on ihmisoikeuskysymys.

Joku ostaa ässäarvan, toinen taas uhrivauvan. Kaikki erilaisia, kaikki samanarvoisia.

Can I have a safe space, too?

Skeptikko

Murha.infossakin näköjään on aloitettu ketju tästä tapauksesta:

Sophia Lösche - katosi Saksassa, surmattiin Espanjassa
https://www.murha.info/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=25765

Quote
28-vuotias opiskelija, monikulttuurin puolestapuhuja, sosialidemokraattinen aktivisti sekä Kreikan Lesboksessa "siirtolaisia" auttanut Sophia Lösche nousi marokkolaismiehen ajaman rekan kyytiin Saksassa 15.6.2018.
En homona toivota tervetulleiksi Suomeen henkilöitä, jotka haluavat tappaa minut:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33565055

Tanskan pakolaisapu: hallitsematon tulijatulva johtamassa armageddoniin ja yhteiskuntamme tuhoon:
http://jyllands-posten.dk/international/europa/ECE7963933/Sammenbrud-truer-flygtningesystem/

newspeak

Mitään kovin uutta ja ihmeellistä ei tähän tapaukseen liittyen ole ilmennyt, mutta saksalaismediassa on käsitelty ainakin Löschen omaisten tyytymättömyyttä viranomaistoimintaan. Seuravassa hieman muokatussa konekäännöksessä kriminogien esittämiä näkemyksiä:

QuotePolice knows the criticism - but holds back

The Leipzig police have taken note of the allegations of the family, says spokesman Andreas Loepki, but does not take a position for two reasons. "Firstly, we continue to have deepest understanding of the exceptional emotional situation faced by family and friends of Sophia L. and therefore do not consider sober and objective replies about media representatives to be expedient." In addition, the case already the prosecutor Bayreuth and the police have taken over in Upper Franconia. "That's where the responsibility lies."

The criminologist Christian Pfeiffer relativizes the sharp criticism of the family. The police would have discovered the suspect without the support of his brother, says the professor, who teaches at the Kriminologische Forschungsinstitut in Hanover - albeit "with a delay of a few days." However, this plays a minor role in the investigation. "Would the victim have survived if the police reacted faster? Answer: No, Ms. L. was already dead when the brother started his investigation."

Criminologist: "Officials have fundamentally misjudged the situation"

But the case raises questions. Why did 40 hours pass before the police sighted material from the rest area in Schkeuditz? "In adults, this can take quite a few days until the search is initiated, unless there is any further evidence, such as a crime," says the criminologist Thomas Feltes of the Ruhr University in Bochum. "But this was exactly the case here, so the police would have to start investigating immediately after the truck was presented to her - but only then." In the eyes of the professor, it was never really a case of missing, because from the beginning was the suspicion of a crime - "and then you have to act immediately," says Feltes. When the police started the investigation is unclear. So far, the authorities do not want to comment on this. That is also why the allegations of the family in the room, unrequited. The presidium went public on Monday after her disappearance - there was already missing four days every trace of the young student.

    Criminologist Thomas Feltes on the Missing Detective Procedures: "The police initiate a missing person search when a person has left their usual circle of life, their current whereabouts are unknown, and a danger to life or limb (for example, victims of crime, accident, helplessness If a person is reported missing in Germany, the processing is carried out by the local police department (this is the one at the place of residence of the missing person, in this case Leipzig), so the police in Leipzig should have asked the police in Amberg to clarify whether Sophia has arrived there with the parents or on the relatives further hints.If there are indications that the person could stay abroad, a request for Mitfahndung about the Federal Criminal Police Office should be addressed to the Interpol departments of these countries In principle, however, where the missing P erson last lived, the threads must converge, therefore there (and from there) must be determined. "

Were the investigations abducted in the case of Sophia L.? "I do not like the word because it sounds like intentional action," says criminologist Thomas Feltes. "In the present case, the officials who received the first missing person's report have fundamentally misjudged the situation." Now it is up to the police leadership to clarify the events, to show much more offensive, says the expert. "A 'submerge' as in the present case or even a back and forth of responsibility is absolutely unprofessional and should have legal consequences."

All this is burdensome for the family around the brother Andreas L., provides for incomprehension. "In Leipzig, this is actually outrageous, how to deal with relatives and friends of Sophia there," he says. "After all that idleness, that's frustrating."

It is precisely this lack of empathy from authorities that criticizes victims' associations, such as the White Ring. A study from last year revealed: 52 percent of all relatives do not feel well enough informed about the state of proceedings during a preliminary investigation. A good third of respondents felt that the investigators were "unfriendly", as many as the interrogations as too long and onerous. "The results clearly show how much a preliminary investigation can burden a victim in addition to the crime itself," said Jörg Ziercke, President of the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) and Deputy Chairman of the White Ring with a view to the study.

Multiple interviews of closest relatives, for example, are a problem, but also the fact that the police are too rarely involved with victim protection officers and therapists. "The investigators are all the more the duty to proceed with all modesty and to recognize at an early stage, as further stress on already traumatized people can be avoided," says BKA President Ziercke.

Andreas L. also hopes that "if something good can come out of this, then it's perhaps the hope that the police will develop more empathy in the future," says the brother of Sophia L.

http://www.nordbayern.de/region/fall-sophia-polizei-hat-die-lage-falsch-eingeschatzt-1.7788419

Tekijän kohtalo oli vielä viime viikolla avoin:

QuoteUpdate from July 5, 2018

It is still unclear whether and when the suspect lorry driver (41) will be transferred from Spain to Germany. The corresponding request to the Spanish authorities was made, one did not know when it would be decided there, said the chief prosecutor Herbert Potzel on Thursday in Bayreuth. To the death circumstances so far no information was given.

https://www.tz.de/welt/vermisste-tramperin-sophia-l-ist-tot-wann-wird-tatverdaechtige-nach-deutschland-ueberstellt-zr-9962702.html

Ernst

Quote from: Tulevaisuus on 23.06.2018, 22:08:04
Quote from: Leijona78 on 23.06.2018, 21:56:21
Tällä sivustolla on melko ikäviä kuvia asiaan liittyen. En tiedä ovatko nuo kaksi sensuroitua kuvaa a) tekijästä ja b) uhrista löytöhetkellä.

http://www.truth24.net/marokkanischer-armutsmigrant-ermordet-und-schaendet-spd-sophia-l/

Miksi tuo kuva on sensuroitu, sehän kertoo aika karulla tavalla todellisuudesta. Onko nykyinen todellisuus liian hapokasta vai mikä on syynä. Jos halutaan mokuttaa niin näytetään seuraukset ilman peittelyä.

Jos ajattelee positiivisesti, kuvaa on käsitelty siksi, että silkka pahuus hohkaa tuon marokkolaisen okulaareista, siis ihmisten suojelemiseksi tämän aavikon poijaan vaikutukselta.
Det humana saknas helt hos Sannfinländarna.
Ihmisyys puuttuu kokonaan perussuomalaisilta.
-Anna-Maja Henriksson (r.)

Pullervo

Marokkolainen rekkakuski Boujemaa Lamrabat (42) sai elinkautisen Sophia Löschen (28) murhasta. Alun perin Lamrabat oli yrittänyt raiskata kyytiinsä liftanneen Löschen, mutta sen epäonnistuttua lopulta päätynyt murhaamaan jo pahoinpitelemänsä naisen lyömällä useita kertoja rengasraudalla päähän. Lamrabat ajoi sen jälkeen ruumiin kanssa Saksasta Espanjaan, jossa jätti ruumiin kyydistä ja jäi kiinni Espanjan poliisille.

https://www.bild.de/regional/nuernberg/nuernberg-news/bayreuth-lebenslange-haft-fuer-den-killer-von-sophia-64774776.bild.html
Quote from: Bild/konekäännösJUDGE GIVES SOPHIA (28) KILLER FOR LIFE:"You must pay for this act, the punishment you received today" (18.9.2019)

Judgment in the murder case of the slain hitchhiker Sophia Lösche (28): Fernfahrer Boujemaa L. (42) has to go to prison for life!

Thus, the court followed the demand of the prosecutor, the defense saw indeed a milder punishment to be punished.

After two months of trial, however, the court, like the prosecution, came to the conclusion that the Moroccan man Sophia Lösche had been beaten and seriously injured in the dispute in June last year, and then killed in a second attack. According to the court, this was murder for covering up the previous injury.


The crime was triggered by a failed, "sexually motivated" overture by L. The student had clearly rejected the married father. This had the Moroccan so "massively offended" that a dispute has developed in which Sophia may have struck him with the palm of his hand in the face.

The judge said the strike had "knocked out the fuse" at L. "Ultimately, it was this slap in the face that completely upset the slightly irritable, aggressive-looking defendant." He hit Sophia's head at least four times with a wheel nut wrench and severely injured her.

L. had acted in this attack in the affect with possibly reduced debt. However, according to the conviction of the court, Sophia was not dead at this time. The truck driver was then still ten or 20 minutes walk over the rest area and have thought.

He had rejected the idea of ​​possibly seeking help. When he returned to the truck, he had inflicted fatal blows on Sophia.

(...)

Sophia Lösche had wanted to hitchhike from Leipzig to Nuremberg over a year ago. From there, according to her brother, she wanted to travel by suburban train to her family in Amberg, Upper Palatinate. There, the 28-year-old never arrived. Her body was discovered in a ditch in Spain.