Venäjä, Venäjä, Venäjä (yhdistetty)

[orientexpressen]

http://mvlehti.net/2017/04/10/hybridiosaamiskeskuksen-avajaiset-vihastuttaa-nato-trolleja-professori-dugin-esitelmoi/

MV-lehti juoksee taas vaihteeksi rahoittajansa asialla.

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

Russian Nationalism 101

There is a huge amount of misinformation and disinformation about what is and what is not Russian nationalism.

As a ROG agent and evil Russian oppressor, it's incumbent on me to set the record straight.


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Platform: The 3 Principles

Western commentators love to designate every single frothing at the mouth bearded Russian maniac into the ranks of "Russian nationalists." Even many Russians whose only sin is to oppose replacing ICBM parades with LGBT parades in Moscow qualify.

In their world of the ROG conspiracy, Putler is the "godfather of extreme nationalism."

In the world of reality, however, the term "Russian nationalist" has much more precise boundaries and connotations, at least within Russia itself. It can be narrowed down to loyalty to a set of common principles, of which perhaps the three most critical ones are:

The cessation of political prosecutions for "hate speech" under Article 282.
An end to mass immigration from Central Asia.
The regathering of the Russian lands, including Belorussia, North Kazakhstan, Novorossiya, and Malorossiya.
To be sure, just like the Alt Right in the West, we do have our own internal debates and disagreements on all sorts of issues – on Putin, on Navalny, on the Syria adventure, on whether Orthodoxy is part of implicit Russian identity, on whether Pussy Riot should be locked up, on the optimal levels of gun freedoms, even on whether or not some aspects of SJW culture should be accomodated for. It is a wide tent that is open to people from a wide variety of ideological and religious backgrounds, and you do not have to be an ethnic Russian to join in.

But we do not waver on those three big principles. Those who do, such as Anatoly Nesmiyan (El Murid), who in recent months started writing positively of a united Ukraine, get excommunicated.

What Russian nationalism is not about is dismembering Russia, transforming it into "Little Russia" around its old Novgorod heartlands, etc. This misconception centers around the frequently repeated propaganda trope that Russia is a multi-ethnic empire, which Russian ethnic nationalism will break apart. Only political prosecutions of nationalists and infinity Moslems from Central Asia can avert that.

Reality: 81% of the Russian population are ethnic Great Russians, and 83% are Slavs. This is far higher than the percentage of White Americans in the US, but for some reason the US survives just fine without any ethnic minority republics with special privileges. It is also hard to square with the very hardline positions of Russian nationalists on the Ukraine question, which match word for word the publicly stated positions of traditional Russian conservatives such as the anti-Soviet dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn and the political philosopher Ivan Ilyin.

Incidentally, the reincorporation of the lost territories of the triune Russian nation will raise the percentage of Slavs in Russia to close to 90%, making problems with Muslims even less of a consideration.

***

People: Who's In? Who's Out?

Russian nationalists do include the following:

The "Committee of January 25″ (K25) movement under Igor Strelkov and many of the people who were or are at associated with it, such as Konstantin Krylov and Eduard Limonov. Its US equivalent might be something like Richard Spencer's National Policy Institute.
The flagship magazine of Russian nationalism, Egor Prosvirnin's Sputnik and Pogrom. Its Western equivalents would be higher tier Alt Right publications such as Radix Journal, Counter Currents, and Occidental Observer
Possibly Konstantin Malofeev's Tsargrad TV, especially after Dugin's recent ouster and replacement with Egor Kholmogorov. That said, it is more conservative than nationalist, with more than a passing resemblance to Breitbart.
Russian nationalists do not include the following:

Eurasianists, such as Alexander Dugin, a Warhammer 40k cosplayer who wants to replace Russia with Greater Turkestan.
Soviet nationalists, such as Alexander Prokhanov and Sergey Kurginyan, who want to resurrect the Soviet Union and its suppression of Russian identity.
Liberal nationalists, such as Alexey Navalny, who want to make Russia into a ZOG colony.
Ukrainian nationalists, which is what most liberal nationalists and Neo-Nazis functionally are.
Putin personality cultists, such as Nikolay Starikov and the (now defunct) Nashi youth movement.
Orthodox fundamentalist nutjobs such as Vsevolod Chaplin, who wants to legalize FGM and to replace Russia with Central Africa.
***

Putin: Putler or Putlet?

Attitudes towards Putin amongst Russian nationalists range from moderate support to outright hatred.

The more conservative and Orthodox elements of Russian nationalism tend to support him, while the more socially liberal, atheist, and/or racialist ones tend to oppose him. The most fervent Putin fans tend to be "patriots" ("putzriots"), they are not Russian nationalists, except in the loosest sense of the word. Their foreign equivalents would be the personality cults that have formed around "strong" charismatic leaders such as Trump and Erdogan.

Realistically speaking, Putin deserves neither the uncritical adulation nor the frothing condemnation of Russian nationalism. As I pointed out in my earlier article on whether or not Putin is "the godfather of extreme nationalism," Putin is neither /ourguy/ nor (((theirguy))); he is a politician who needs to carry out a complex balancing act between various political-economic blocs and ideological strands in Russian society.

Let's just briefly consider how Putin stacks up against Navalny and some Western politicians on the Three Principles:

(1) Russian nationalists do get imprisoned for hate speech, sometimes on remarkably spurious and illegitimate grounds. On the other hand, 282 is also wielded against Russophobes and Islamic extremists, which has made the Council of Europe very sad, so the situation here is perhaps not quite as bad as in the more "cucked" European countries. Still, its worth noting that Richard Spencer himself managed to get deported from Orban's Hungary of all places, so there are few true nirvanas in this respect. Navalny would probably be an improvement on Putin here, assuming he does move to repeal Article 282; many of the Echo of Moscow liberals, who form part of his constituency, are big fans of it, and were instrumental in legislating it in the first place. On the plus side, there is far less political correctness in Russia than in Europe or the US, though this has little-to-nothing to do with Putin per se.

(2) Putin is very weak on immigration, though at least there are considerably fewer Third World immigrants per capita than in the UK, Germany, or Sweden; not exactly a high bar to clear, of course, but it's still worth keeping in perspective. Navalny would almost certainly be an improvement, at least if he follows through on his platform. Putin is somewhat like American Republicans theorizing that socially conservative Latinos would be a solid support base for conservative politics, except that in Russia, this theory actually "works" – ethnic minority republics and Central Asians vote 90% for United Russia. Putin is also no match for Trump (2016 edition) on this question, though as we have recently seen, the Current Year has brought many unwelcome surprises on the God-Emperor's true agenda.

(3) While Putin did not realize Russian nationalist aspirations to the extent that many hoped he would in the spring of 2014, it is difficult to imagine any other (viable) politician going as far as he did by bringing back Crimea and helping the LDNR survive. With Navalny, the Donbass will be left to the tender mercies of a vengeful and very Russophobic regime in Kiev, and even the long-term status of the Crimea will be put under question. On the other hand, Putin's growing fondness for adventures in the Arab world – first Syria; soon, perhaps, Libya – is also a source of concern in some quarters of the Russian nationalist movement, who view it as a way of deflecting attention from the plight of Russia's co-ethnics in the Donbass.

***

What is to be Done?

The only major political force in Russia that, at least on paper, satisfies all Three Principles is Zhirinovsky's LDPR. It is against Article 282, against Central Asian immigration, and has a very strong line on Ukraine. However, there are many questions over both its competence and its independence from the Kremlin, so most Russian nationalists vote for it not so much out of ideological considerations as to move the Overton window in the right direction.

Russian nationalism as a political force is in a somewhat ironic situation. Theoretically, a good 80% or so of Russians are "vatniks" (whereas only perhaps 40% of Americans are "deplorables"), and more than half agree to some extent with the implicitly ethnonationalist slogan "Russia for Russians" (which makes half the Russian population either idiots or provocateurs, according to Putin himself). On the other hand, the main demands of Russian nationalism are either accomodated for or subverted by the Kremlin just enough to prevent a strong independent nationalist movement from emerging. For instance, Igor Strelkov, a potential figurehead for such a movement, was blacklisted by the MSM soon after his return from Ukraine.

There is currently no unity on strategy. The bulk of K25 advocates cautious cooperation with the Kremlin. Sputnik and Pogrom is more overtly oppositional. Tsargrad TV are basically regime loyalists who want it to take a harder line on the pursuit of Russian national interests, like America's Breitbart or China's Global Times.

My own modest aims are twofold. First, I want to help introduce the Alt Right to Russian nationalists, and vice versa. Second, I am trying to place Russian nationalism on a firmer, more scientific ideological footing, by importing useful concepts developed primarily in the West and applying them to Russian realities, such as IQ/HBD-realism.

Russian nationalism is extremely underdeveloped on these issues, thanks in part to the Soviet "blank slate" legacy, as well as to Eurasianism's destructive promotion of "traditionalist" obscurantism (Dugin in particular denies the concept of race, period, which perhaps explains why he is so open to Central Asian population replacement). Moreover, to the extent that race is discussed at all amongst Russian nationalists, most of it happens amongst Neo-Nazis who unironically subscribe to Nazi era pseudoscience on the matter. (That said, it's worth pointing out that European nationalisms aren't much better. This is not surprising, since something like 80% of psychometrics and evopsych research takes place in the US, while European nationalists obssess over the intellectual miasma that is continental philosophy/Heideggerism).

This is a very sad and very stupid state of affairs – but it also represents some very low-hanging fruit. To this end, I and a couple of my friends here, Kirill Nesterov and @pigdog, have recently started up a podcast to discuss Russian politics from an Alt Right and HBD/IQ-realistic perspective in /pol/'s irreverent and semi-ironic style.

If you understand Russian, or are learning the language, you can check it out at ROGPR.com.

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-nationalism-101/

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

http://politicalhotwire.com/world-politics/170276-russian-shop-bans-gays.html

Kiintoisa juttu tuolla, venäjän kauppaketjun päätöksestä bannata homo-asiakkaat.

[Faidros.]

Onkohan jossain listaa, kuinka monta toisinajattelijaa on kuollut epäselvissä olosuhteissa Putinin hallinnon aikana?
www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/andrushenko-64402

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

Kadyrov: West will use every resource to bring Russia to her knees

The US and its Western allies will use any opportunity to harm Russia, Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov told RT. He believes the rise of terrorism in Syria was similar to what happened to his native Chechnya two decades ago.


"The West, Europe do not want to help anyone. The important thing for them is to use every resource against Russia. They want to see us kneeling before them," Kadyrov said in an exclusive interview with RT's Arabic channel.

"This will never happen," he added.

The Chechen Republic in southern Russia was the scene of two military campaigns in the 1990s and early 2000s. Ramzan Kadyrov said his father's choice to pledge his loyalty to Moscow was the choice of the Chechen people.

"[Ramzan Kadyrov's father Akhmad] said: if I am the leader of the republic, you let the Chechen people have its word. If the people say that they want to be part of Russia, I will agree to that too. If they say against it, so will I. That was the arrangement. And the people said they want to live as part of Russia," he said.

Kadyrov reiterated his loyalty to Moscow, both as representative of the Chechen people and as a devout Muslim.

"My people have entrusted me to serve in good faith. And my religion also obliges me to be loyal to the commander-in-chief. As long as this country and this president allow you to build mosques and pray, your duty is to die for this president," Kadyrov said.

Kadyrov said that Chechens in the 1990s were lured by false promises of people whose sole interest was demolishing Russia. He personally took up arms and fought against the Russian army when he was a teenager, and that is not an experience he wishes his children to have.

"When I took place next to my father with arms in hands, I was younger than my oldest child is now. She is 18 now, and I was 15 or 16. I don't want my children or children of Chechens or children of anyone in Russia to see what I saw," he said.

He says foreign special services were involved in the effort to provoke chaos in Chechnya.

"The Western and European special services over the years did every possible and impossible thing to destroy Russia as a sovereign state. They chose the Chechen Republic as the stage for their game," he said.

"That was not some bandit gang. There were fighters well trained by the special services. Our intelligence says fighters from 50 nations were involved. But Russia prevailed and has proven that she is a strong nation."

He said the same orchestrated devastation that Chechnya saw two decades ago can now be witnessed in Syria. A battalion of troops from the Chechen Republic currently serves in Syria as military police overseeing the transition period in Aleppo, a city that had lived for years divided between pro-government and anti-government forces.

"What they saw there is the same thing we had here. The same scenario, the same masters," he said.

Kadyrov, who is accused by critics of violating human rights and putting sharia law above that of Russia's federal laws, said his critics stir controversy surrounding his name to attack the country and its president.

"They seek any opportunity to stand against [Vladimir] Putin. And Kadyrov is convenient for them. This name is well known and talked about," he said. "Why wouldn't they talk about people, who got busted taking bribes? Nobody ever talks about them."

"They think they can use our people and our youths against Russia again. This won't happen. They really don't like it when 50,000 of our people sing the anthem of Russia. Or when we carry the biggest flag of Russia," he added. "What they would like is for us to march with banners against Russia."

"They tricked us once, and a second time. But there won't be a third one."

The Chechen leader said his alleged suggestion to target relatives of terrorists an example of distorted reporting by his critics.

"They just distort my words however they like. I was talking about people actively supporting terrorists," he said.

"They are terrorists too. They may not take arms themselves. But why should we help them [with benefits], feed them and provide for them, when they are helping to kill us. They are accomplices of terrorism. We don't want such people to live here."

http://thesaker.is/29600-2/
Muslimit ei kunnioita muutakuin brutaalia voimaa. Kadyrov itse taisteli venäläisiä vastaan, mutta huomasi vahvempansa ja nyt hän palvelee isäntäänsä kuuliaisesti, lähes fanaattisesti. Euroopassa toimitaan täysin päinvastoin ja kuvitellaan, että se lisäisi muslimien arvostusta meitä kohtaan, mutta käy täysin päinvastaisesti - muslimit pitää meitä heikkoina ja typerinä, jotka ansaitsee tulla vedätetyksi.

[Dredex]

Venäjä kieltää Jehovan todistamisen ja takavarikoi varat, koska luokittelee äärijärjestöksi:
Uutinen (yle)
Uutinen (is)

Ei sitten kieltänyt Islamia ja takavarikoinut varoja? Siitä saattaisi nousta aikamoinen mekkala.

[törö]

Russian lawmaker's son pleads guilty to hacking in USA

As RIA Novosti reports referring to court documents, Roman Seleznev, the son of State Duma deputy from the LDPR Valery Seleznev, wrote an 11-page letter in which he gave confessions and asked for forgiveness for his actions.

Americans have been seeking for Seleznev since 2011, when the first charges were brought against him. It is believed that it was then that Roman Seleznev stole data from 140.000 credit card holders, resold card numbers and earned about $2 million this way.

https://en.crimerussia.com/financialcrimes/state-duma-deputy-s-son-pleads-guilty-to-hacking-in-usa/

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

Putin planning to STEP DOWN?!
Russian politics has often been a confusing mix but now President Putin is rumoured to have tipped a successor.

Leader since 1999, Putin has overseen a crackdown on LGBT rights and expansionary wars in Ukraine and Georgia.

A letter from a friend of the president has now leaked, suggesting the occupant of the Kremlin could step down.

The leader, who is a divorced judo pro, was blindsided when a member of the public asked him about the rumour.

Putin is apparently set to announce Vyacheslav Volodin as his chosen successor.

And he also refused to deny that he was going to step down.

The President told the USSR war veteran who asked the question: 'The president's successor will be decided by the Russian people only during a democratic election and by nobody else.'

Many observers were shocked as they expected him to serve another term until 2024.

Mr Volodin is a high flyer in Russia which is hardly kind to people who challenge the 64-year-old's grip on power.

He is the speaker of the State Duma, the lower house of parliament and at 53 is already a former head of the presidential administration.

In recent weeks the province of Chechnya has alarmed foreign observers after the majority-Muslim region was said to be using 'camps' to force homosexuals to promise to leave.

But Putin has pursued a harsh policy on LGBT rights strongly restricting open expression in Russia.
Kremlin sources say Putin is on his way out and has got a successor | Metro News

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A letter allegedly penned by Putin's political ally Frants Klintsevich, a senior senator, claimed Vlad's crony Vyacheslav Volodin "would soon be president".

Volodin – a devout Putin loyalist – has yet to comment on the rumours, but in December urged Putin to stand for another term.

Klintsevich later claimed the letter was a "fake", and he is known to be embroiled in an ugly dispute with the man who shocked Putin by reading it out, Andrey Chepurnoy, leader of a group of Afghan War veterans.

"Any graphology expert will prove my words" he said, although the text appeared to be typed.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/21/putin-is-planning-to-resign-and-already-has-a-replacement-sorted-6588665/

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

Venäjällä on väestön kanssa samanlaisia ongelmia kuin Suomessa. Suomesta on ''kadonnut'' arviolta 50.000 nuorta.

Venäjän posti löysi osoitteet vain 112 miljoonalle asukkaalle vuonna 2015.

Olin väestönlaskennassa vuonna 1991 ja monet tulevat kirjatuksi sinne useampaan kertaan.

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Venäjän väestömäärästä voidaan esittää vaikkapa näin:
"Venäjän väestömäärä kuin nimismiehen riistatilasto

Yksi kysymysmerkki on Venäjän väestömäärä. Väestölaskenta toteutettiin 2002. Sen sanottiin onnistuneen noin 75-prosenttisesti. Mistä tämä onnistumisprosentti saatiin, on mysteerio. Etukäteen ei tiedetty, kuinka paljon väkeä maassa oli. Väestölaskentaan osallistuminen ei ollut pakollista. Väestölomakkeessa tehtiin virhe. Kuitenkin väestön määräksi saatiin 145.2 milj. ihmistä.

Alueet ovat voineet verraten vapaasti lisätä "Gogolin kuolleita sieluja" väestölaskentaan, koska se on voinut merkitä jonkin verran lisää federaation tukea. Voitaneen sanoa, että tulos on yhtä tarkka kuin entisen nimismiehen riistatilasto – se oli ammuttu ilmasta."
Lähde: ProKarelia: http://prokarelia.net/fi/?x=artikkeli&article_id=1...

http://veikkohuuska.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/235954-miten-kauan-kreml-pystyy-pitamaan-venajan-nuorison-poissa-kaduilta

Mikä mahtaa olla Venäjän väkiluku.

[Faidros.]

Lentotukialus Admiral Kuznetsov menee taas kolmeksi vuodeksi remonttiin. Uusitaankohan jo hidastusvaijerit?
Ehkä myös katapultti asennetaan koska koneet eivät pääse ilmaan kuin ilmataisteluohjuksin varustettuina.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9591609?origin=rss

[rideon74]

Vappu 2017 Helsinki : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfHAnuRU0ok ja mitä sitten metrossa Venäjällä:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlZBxhZ2kH8&sns=fb hirveää älämölöä ja pelkoa. :p

[Faidros.]

Venäjän SU-35:t ja  USA:n F-22 raptorit ensikertaa vastakkain.
Venäläiset käyttää vielä kylmänsodan manuaalitekniikkaa vastusta testatessaan, kun länkkärit on jo siirtyneet sateliitteihin.
Y.Gagarin pyörähtelee varmasti haudassaan.
www.verkkouutiset.fi/politiikka/alaska-65004

[f-35fan]

Venäläiset ovat testanneet aseitaan Syyriassa ja markkinoineet niitä koko maailmalle
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/russia-s-involvement-in-syria-proves-that-its-far-behin-1794966734

Ei kovin hyvältä näytä!

[Jukka Wallin]

Venäläiset ovat testanneet aseitaan Syyriassa ja markkinoineet niitä koko maailmalle
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/russia-s-involvement-in-syria-proves-that-its-far-behin-1794966734

Ei kovin hyvältä näytä!

No voi voi! Toisaalta Yhdysvalloilla on hieman pitempi lista sodista joissa he ovat testanneet omia asejärjestelmiään. Ydinpommit kuuluu listan kärkeen. NL:to tai Venäjällä ei ole samaa syntilistaa kelmiallissa aseissa mitä jenkeillä on. Saddam Hussein sai hermokaasut ja muut vastaavat aseet Yhdysvalloilta.

Aikanaan Espanjan sisällissota oli niin ikään uusien aseiden testaamista tositilanteessa.

[f-35fan]

Venäläiset ovat testanneet aseitaan Syyriassa ja markkinoineet niitä koko maailmalle
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/russia-s-involvement-in-syria-proves-that-its-far-behin-1794966734
..............

No voi voi! Toisaalta Yhdysvalloilla on hieman pitempi lista sodista joissa he ovat testanneet omia asejärjestelmiään. Ydinpommit kuuluu listan kärkeen. NL:to tai Venäjällä ei ole samaa syntilistaa kelmiallissa aseissa mitä jenkeillä on. Saddam Hussein sai hermokaasut ja muut vastaavat aseet Yhdysvalloilta.

Aikanaan Espanjan sisällissota oli niin ikään uusien aseiden testaamista tositilanteessa.

Wallinismia parahaimmillaan! Yritetään kääntää keskustelu itse aiheesta ja olennaisesta pois.

Asian jujujahan oli siinä että "testitulokset" Syyriassa olivat hyvin huonoja ja eivätkä ne aseet ole menneet toivotulla tavalla kaupaksi.
Tuli myös nähtyä että suurin osa Venäjän aseista on vanhoja ruosteisia louskuja.

Venäläisiltä puuttuu tarkkuusaseet ja niiden tähtäinjärjestelmät. Siksi siviilit saavat niitä niskaansa kuusinkertaisen annoksen mitä länkkäreillä on tarjota. Sota venäläisten jäljiltä on aikamoista rauniota juuri tästä syystä.

Wallinin kehumat aseet ovat osoittautuuneet aivan joksikin muuksi miksi hän on väittänyt niiden olevan. Taitaa siellä olla ainakin yksi huippuase: Stalinin urut!

[Jukka Wallin]

Venäläiset ovat testanneet aseitaan Syyriassa ja markkinoineet niitä koko maailmalle
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/russia-s-involvement-in-syria-proves-that-its-far-behin-1794966734
..............

No voi voi! Toisaalta Yhdysvalloilla on hieman pitempi lista sodista joissa he ovat testanneet omia asejärjestelmiään. Ydinpommit kuuluu listan kärkeen. NL:to tai Venäjällä ei ole samaa syntilistaa kelmiallissa aseissa mitä jenkeillä on. Saddam Hussein sai hermokaasut ja muut vastaavat aseet Yhdysvalloilta.

Aikanaan Espanjan sisällissota oli niin ikään uusien aseiden testaamista tositilanteessa.

Wallinismia parahaimmillaan! Yritetään kääntää keskustelu itse aiheesta ja olennaisesta pois.

Asian jujujahan oli siinä että "testitulokset" Syyriassa olivat hyvin huonoja ja eivätkä ne aseet ole menneet toivotulla tavalla kaupaksi.
Tuli myös nähtyä että suurin osa Venäjän aseista on vanhoja ruosteisia louskuja.

Venäläisiltä puuttuu tarkkuusaseet ja niiden tähtäinjärjestelmät. Siksi siviilit saavat niitä niskaansa kuusinkertaisen annoksen mitä länkkäreillä on tarjota. Sota venäläisten jäljiltä on aikamoista rauniota juuri tästä syystä.

Wallinin kehumat aseet ovat osoittautuuneet aivan joksikin muuksi miksi hän on väittänyt niiden olevan. Taitaa siellä olla ainakin yksi huippuase: Stalinin urut!

Siis mitä? Eikö muutama päivä sitten ollut uutisissa,että Yhdysvaltojen isku aiheutti 200 siviilin kuoleman. Myös Irakin sodan (2003- ja Afganistanissa) jenkkien kaverit pelkäävät nimenomaan yhdysvaltojen sotilaita,kun friendly fire tappoi enemmän mitä vastapuolen sotilaat saivat aikaan.

http://listverse.com/2012/11/03/8-worst-cases-of-friendly-fire/

[Demlan it-tuki]

Oletko Jukka kuullut tästä: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

miksi haluat keskustella jatkuvasti yhdysvalloista venäjää käsittelevässä topicissa?

[Jukka Wallin]

Oletko Jukka kuullut tästä: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

miksi haluat keskustella jatkuvasti yhdysvalloista venäjää käsittelevässä topicissa?

Jep otan nämä jutut ehkä liian toisissaan,mutta en pidä tietynlaisesta mollaamisesta,koska nuo ilkeilyt on niin helposti kumottavissa. Nuo Venjää koskevat ase jutut voi siirtää Venäjän armeijaa koskevaan säikeeseen.

[Alaric]

Oletko Jukka kuullut tästä: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

miksi haluat keskustella jatkuvasti yhdysvalloista venäjää käsittelevässä topicissa?

Jep otan nämä jutut ehkä liian toisissaan,mutta en pidä tietynlaisesta mollaamisesta,koska nuo ilkeilyt on niin helposti kumottavissa.

Ihan mielenkiinnosta: miksi suhtaudut niin tunteellisesti tähän "ilkeilyyn" ja Venäjän "mollaamiseen"? Onko sinulla jonkinlainen henkilökohtainen suhde Venäjään? Sellainen tietty näkökulma teikäläisen jutuissa on kuitenkin havaittu erinäisissä ketjuissa, joten kiinnostaisi tietää mistä tämä suhtautuminen juontaa juurensa.

[Jukka Wallin]

Oletko Jukka kuullut tästä: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

miksi haluat keskustella jatkuvasti yhdysvalloista venäjää käsittelevässä topicissa?

Jep otan nämä jutut ehkä liian toisissaan,mutta en pidä tietynlaisesta mollaamisesta,koska nuo ilkeilyt on niin helposti kumottavissa.

Ihan mielenkiinnosta: miksi suhtaudut niin tunteellisesti tähän "ilkeilyyn" ja Venäjän "mollaamiseen"? Onko sinulla jonkinlainen henkilökohtainen suhde Venäjään? Sellainen tietty näkökulma teikäläisen jutuissa on kuitenkin havaittu erinäisissä ketjuissa, joten kiinnostaisi tietää mistä tämä suhtautuminen juontaa juurensa.

Tietenkin ilkeilen venäläisille jos on aihetta. Ei ole vielä tullut sellaista josta voisin alkaa mollaamaan. Yhdysvallat ja Nato tekevät sen liian helpoksi. En syytä Venäjää Krimin miehityksestä, kun sille [miehitykselle ]oli syynsä. Mutta Yhdysvaltojen toimintaa voin hyvällä syyllä kritisoida,kun sen toimet Irakissa, Libyassa ja Syyriassa on aiheuttanut vain ongelmia.

[kriittinen_ajattelija]

"Russian Amish", Old Believers, Return from South America to Russia's Far East
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onkkEXc9nYY

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Europe Will Cease to Be Christian in 30 Years, Russia in 50, Moscow Patriarchate Official Says

            Staunton, May 8 – Archpriest Dimitry Smirnov, head of the Patriarchal Commission on the Family, says that Europe will cease to be Christian in 30 years and Russia will do the same in 50, leading to a situation in which Muslims will control both and any remaining Christians will be forced "to live in a semi-underground manner."

            The hierarch, who until recently headed the patriarchate's office for work with the Russian military and security services and who has often attracted attention for hyperbolic remarks about the Islam and the West, made these predictions on Soyuz television at the end of last week (newsru.com/religy/05may2017/eu_islam.html).

            The signs of a Muslim take-over are already clear, the archpriest said. Christians are attacked and raped and can't defend themselves because officials aren't willing to crack down on the Muslim perpetrators.  "This is in Europe" today, he said, "but we are next in turn" to experience the same thing.

            At present, he pointed out, Mohammed is already the most common name among newborns in the United Kingdom where the Muslims are having far more children per woman than is any other group.  "Thirty years from now, all Europe will be simply Muslim" and Christians will live "underground."

            In reporting Smirnov's remarks, Newsru.com noted that the churchman is infamous for his extreme comments. Not long ago, for example, he said that "tens of thousands" of young Muslim men celebrate Islamic holidays, and then asked "Where have you seen so many Orthodoxy guys? Nowhere and never! Only old women!"

            He said young Muslims are prepared to die for their faith and to fight secular regimes because "they do not want to live in a place ruled by pederasts ... They don't want to sacrifice their principles, above all those about the family. And for this they are ready to die." Tragically, Smirnov suggested, that isn't true of those who call themselves Christians now.

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.fi/2017/05/europe-will-cease-to-be-christian-in-30.html

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Have More Children or Pay More Taxes – A New Russian Idea that Isn't Going Anywhere

Moscow has been unsuccessful in reversing the decline in the number of children Russian women choose to have – its pro-natalist policies simply aren't funded heavily enough to have a chance to do so – and so it was inevitable someone would call for imposing special taxes on those who don't have three or more children.

            The attractions of such an idea for the cash-strapped Russian government are obvious. Instead of having to come up with more money to prevent the country's further demographic decline, it might actually force Russians to do what the Kremlin wants and collect more in taxes at the same time. 

            But such proposals are almost certainly dead on arrival. On the one hand, they would be extremely unpopular, especially in big cities where ever smaller families are the norm.  And on the other, they likely wouldn't work.  Nonetheless, they appear certain to spark a new round of debate about what Moscow might try to do to stave off demographic collapse.

            In today's Izvestiya, journalist Darya Filippova reports that Yury Krupnov, the director of the Moscow Institute of Demography has sent Vladimir Putin a proposed draft law that calls for providing more benefits for women with children and imposing a tax on those who have none or even too few (izvestia.ru/news/699494).


            The demographer argues that such steps are necessary to change attitudes about having more children. At present, he says, only 6.5 percent of Russian families have at least three children; but they account for 20 percent of all children in the country.  Their status and benefits need to be raised. At the same time, that of those with two or fewer needs to be lowered.

            Obviously, improving the situation of those with more children will have some positive demographic consequences, and moving in that direction is something many experts support. But given Moscow's lack of money and the general trend among urban Russians to have fewer children regardless of benefits, such steps will have less impact than many expect.

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.fi/2017/05/have-more-children-or-pay-more-taxes.html

[Faidros.]

Kirkko, oligarkit ja Putin tyhjentävät Valamon luostarisaarta asukkaista. Papit on varmaan mielissään kun "köyhät" vaihtuu "parempaan" väkeen.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9602312?origin=rss

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Analyysi: Venäjän poissaolo teki hyvää Euroviisuille

Ukraina onnistui laulukilpailun järjestämisessä odotuksia paremmin, kirjoittaa Euroviisuihin erikoistunut toimittaja Ville Vedenpää.


Venäjän poisjääminen teki hyvää Euroviisuille. Maa on tullut aina kilpailuun henkseleitään paukutellen ja voitontahtoa uhkuen. Mikään muu ei kelpaa kuin voitto. Venäjän tulehtuneet välit milloin minkin maan kanssa ovat johtaneet buuauksiin maan edustajien esiintyessä. Niistä on jäänyt ikävä sivumaku.

Nyt Kiovan Euroviisuissa pystyttiin keskittymään oikeasti musiikkiin. Tätä ei ole tapahtunut moneen vuoteen. Näin soisi olevan jatkossakin, mutta niin tuskin tapahtuu. Venäjän ja Ukrainan välinen nokittelu ennen tämän vuoden kisoja ei nimittäin ole ohi, vaan Euroviisuja järjestävä Euroopan yleisradioliitto EBU pohtii kesäkuussa, minkälaisia rangaistuksia maille annetaan. Tämä vuosi ainakin osoitti, että pieni jäähy teki laulukilpailulle terää.

EBU on kuitenkin pahassa välikädessä, sillä Venäjän kokoisen maan poisjäänti kisasta tarkoittaa miljoonien tv-katsojien menettämistä. Kyse on myös taloudellisista menetyksistä. Ei ole myöskään laulukilpailun hengen mukaista, että maat jättäytyvät pois politiikan takia. Euroviisujen on kuitenkin tarkoitus olla eurooppalaiset yhteen tuova musiikkijuhla. Sen teki tuore viisuvoittaja Portugali aidolla musiikilla.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9611946
Yle ei halua nähdä Venäjää euroviisuissa enää jatkossa?

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^ Katselin eilen hetken aikaa tuota Euroviisujen pisteiden laskua ja täytyy sanoa, että Venäjän poissaolo vaikutti siihen aika radikaalisti. Normaalistihan ex-neukkumaista (Ukraina, Valko-Venäjä, Armenia jne.) on suunnilleen aina mennyt ne täydet pisteet Venäjälle eikä ehkä pelkästään musiikillisista syistä. Nyt äänestivät sitten aika lailla eri tavalla.

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Orthodox Church presses for total abortion ban in Russia – report

A representative of the Russian Orthodox Church has urged members of the lower house Commission for the Protection of Christian Values to impose a total ban on abortion, according to reports.
Archimandrite Theothilactes attended the first session of the commission in the newly-elected State Duma and said that certain Russian laws needed urgent changes, according to news site RBC.

"Abortion must be made equal to murder. Attention must be paid to this bill and eventually it must be passed," RBC quoted him as saying.

The cleric also said that the Russian law that forbids parents to use violence against their children contradicts the Holy Scripture.

"We should not allow any bans on traditional upbringing in a Christian family, any attempts to make children equal to parents. We need to introduce amendments to this law," he said, according to RBC.

The lower house working group for the protection of Christian values unites 46 MPs from various parliamentary factions. Its main purpose is to evaluate current Russian laws in the context of Christian values, and to initiate new bills that serve this purpose. Members of the commission are also part of a project aimed at protecting Christians in foreign countries, in particular Syria and the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass.

Abortion is currently fully legal in Russia, but in recent years conservative politicians, together with religious figures, have made repeated attempts to change this.

In May 2015, MPs representing the parliamentary majority United Russia party and the center-left opposition Fair Russia party drafted a bill that would limit state insurance payments for abortions, ban private clinics from performing them, and allow women to buy morning-after pills only on prescription after an obligatory health check.

The lawmakers also proposed that any woman seeking an abortion should undergo an ultrasound scan of her womb, as "according to statistics, up to 80 percent of them refuse to have the abortion when they see their child on the screen." The State has not yet discussed the motion.

In January 2015, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Kirill, delivered his first-ever address to the State Duma, in which he called on MPs to begin a campaign against abortion, with a view to a total nationwide ban. He also criticized surrogacy and urged lawmakers to take steps to replace it with adoption.

In January this year, the State Duma passed a controversial bill on domestic altercations that some in the media described as the "legalization of domestic violence." The bill reduced responsibility for first-time domestic violence to an administrative offense (punished with fines or up to 15 days in custody), but still allows for repeated cases or violence that leads to bodily harm to be prosecuted under the Criminal Code.

https://www.rt.com/politics/388802-orthodox-church-presses-for-total/

Siinä olisi suomalaisille bisnestä, meillä kun on kokemusta venäläisten tappamisesta.

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Tosiaan, aborttikielto on aina johtanut siihen että sitten se abortti käydään tekemässä jossain naapurimaassa jossa se ei ole kielletty. Esim irlantilaiset Britanniaan, puolalaiset Saksaan, maltalaiset Italiaan.

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Kuule, vänskä. Mis sie tarviit oikei hyvvää aporttilääkärt. Täs siul on sellane.

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On hyvä muistaa, että saksankielinen sana abort tarkoittaa käymälää. Kömpelö käännös voisi olla poistopaikka.